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Wow. 44 votes. 50/50.
I was torn on the vote I picked RussRob after flipping a coin
Towards the end of his career, Tyshawn carried more weight for the team. Tyshawn got my vote.
Robinson won a championship. Easy one for me.
The national championship tipped the balance in favor of RussRob for me. Otherwise I would've picked Tyshawn. Tyshawn wins the title this year and I vote his way 10 times out of 10.
Tyshawn was a better athlete, but he was all about Tyshawn. Robinson was all about the team.
Agree. This was a coin flip (as evidenced by the results) but it was the Natl Champ that made me vote RR.
Robinson gave maximum effort from Day 1. Great attitude and great results.
That's wrong. He pouted periodically and even refused to go into a game his freshman season. If you said from Day 1 his Sophomore season, I may agree with you.
Love both guys, and I voted RR, but Beyond the Phog was pretty clear about RR's early struggles
Better Defensive Player
Better Overall Point Guard(less TOs)
Its Rus Rob and its not even close
Your first three points are good. Arguable, but good.
Your last one is completely ridiculous.
It was a tough decision, but RussRob was a significantly better defender and won a national championship. That's why my vote went to him.
However, RussRob's lack of explosive offense would have really hurt this team this year if you switched the two out. The focus of the 2012 team would have been much different if Robinson was running point instead of TT. Could you honestly say we would have had the same success? Tough question to answer.......
I picked RR although I really liked TT. But in the tourney this year TT was flat.
On the other side I am not sure RR gave all out from day one. Wasnt there a game when RR was a freshman or soph when he did not start and Self called to put him in a game late and RR said no thanks?
I picked RR becuase he was on a team that won a championship but really in the second half of the final game he was replaced by Sherron as point guard against Memphis' point guard. However RR never seemed to make the news with discipline problem
I almost went with Russel because he could have been a great scorer if he weren't surrounded by a backcourt of Mario, Brandon, and Sherron. But then you have to think about Tyshawn carrying the 2012 backcourt. So I called it a wash and didn't vote.
How many points extra does Russ Rob get considering this is a popularity contest, and people just finished watching Taylor go to a Final Four while you have to Youtube Russ Rob?
Look, Taylor turned his career around more than anybody in the last two years of his tenure, but if you are going to evaluate two careers against each other, you have to put ALL of their careers in the mix. So throw out the "What have you done for me lately?" votes that I am sure Taylor is going to get. Three out of their four years Taylor does not win this vote against Russ Rob.
The run that exists now at KU was in part because of the toughness and attitude that guys like Robinson and Chalmers brought. He never had NBA talent, yet he formed one of the best defensive backcourts KU has ever had.
If you saw the "I want your ass!" look Russ Rob gave after being thrown over the scorers table by Blalock back in 2006, you saw one pissed off little guy that should be getting your vote.
The truth is that a great case can be made for BOTH of these guys, and it has nothing to do with "what have you done for me lately", although some voters may have been influenced by recency. It has to do with the fact that they each made incredibly valuable contributions to KU in different ways, and it manifested in different outcomes. First a few areas where it's too close to call:
Both guys played in a national title game.
Both guys were 4-time Big 12 Regular Season Champions
Both guys were lockdown on-ball defenders.
Both guys exuded that East Coast toughness and grit that Self loves in his guards
And both guys had some personal issues, although Tyshawn's were much more widely publicized and latched onto by fans--maybe deservedly so, at least in part. Did everyone forget the near-transfer of Russell Robinson?
I ended up casting my vote for Tyshawn over Russell for two primary reasons:
1) I had a much greater emotional connection to Tyshawn than Russell, due to the way we got to watch Tyshawn grow up before our eyes and the way he wore his emotions on his sleeve. Russell was always more of a "close to the vest" type of guy, which is not a bad thing, just different.
2) The main reason was because Tyshawn achieved nearly as much as Russell, with less help, which can be summed up in an incredibly simple manner:
In 2008, Russell won a national title playing WITH five NBA Draft picks.
In 2012, Tyshawn was a national runner-up playing AGAINST five NBA Draft picks.
And for what it's worth, if Russell is getting credit for having a championship, then Tyshawn should get some credit for winning four OUTRIGHT Big 12 titles. Russell's teams had to share the Big 12 title three of the four years they won it.
All that being said, I loved Russell and every other core guy on that 2008 squad. They were the definition of "team", with no superstar to carry them. Their most important moment of the season came at the players' prerogative (players only meeting after Ok St loss). It's unlikely we'll see a group like that every again.
But as an individual player, I think the nod has to go to Tyshawn, by a shoelace.
Wow, really? It's Russ Rob by a mile.
"It's Russ Rob by a mile."
"With 1119 audience members polled, survey says, Taylor!"
Tip of the hat to Richard Dawson.
Why is it that pretty much every comment is in favor of Robinson but Taylor has a slight lead?
Probably because some dingleberry is roaming campus voting from each computer he/she can.
Sure a lot of people are picking Robinson for this because he won a National Title.
But but with what Taylor did, and the talent around him how can you compare?
I know what you are going to say, but look really look at the talent around them.
Rush, Arthur, Chalmers, Etc...vs
Robinson, Morris, Morningstar
C'mon look who had to do more.
Sure they both over came adversity, and did great things for KU, but who did more with less?????
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