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If you were Kansas coach Bill Self, what advice would you give Xavier Henry and Cole Aldrich?

Tell them both to return to KU 35% 650 votes

Tell Aldrich to go pro and Henry to return to KU 36% 669 votes

Tell Henry to go pro and Aldrich to return to KU 7% 137 votes

Tell both to go pro 17% 321 votes

Undecided 2% 54 votes

1831 total votes

Comments

Don Everett 10 years, 6 months ago

Money will talk and I wouldn't blame either one of them for taking it and running. Look at Darrell, he could have used another year, but look at the money he's making. Here's hoping he's being smart with it. Cole could benefit from another year, being healthy, but his family is in need. Xavier has a NBA ready body but like Brandon could benefit from another year in college. Do as Raef did and take an insurance policy out and hope nothing happens. They need to do what is deemed best for themselves. Good luck with whatever their decision is.

Greg Lux 10 years, 6 months ago

Money talks and players walk.. The question is HOW MUCH and will another year make a big enough difference and do you want to be an impact player when you enter the league or do you want to be a paid bench warmer. If you are a high enough draft pick to get a guaranteed contract then go .. if not then stay and get one next year.. X needs lots of work, ball handling, inside shot, increase release speed on his shot. He has the body but not the game YET!. Cole ( something is wrong with our beloved big guy ) He is just not the player he was last year and I believe he is not feeling well for some reason. His energy is down. He doesn't have good offensive moves or is not using them. His rebounding is not the numbers it should be for a man his size. So Yes another year would be helpful .. but again if he would go as a lottery pick then go ...

I love both these guys and only want the best for them .. I pray they find it, whatever they decide.

Rock Chalk

philopia 10 years, 6 months ago

Before you leave a comment: Understand that this is the last year before the NBA locks out the players to renegotiate. THEY HAVE TO GO OR THEY WONT GET PAID NEARLY AS MUCH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NEW LABOR AGREEMENT! If they don't leave this year the opportunity to make big bucks deminishes so much they have to go....the opportunity cost is simply too much.

aerohawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Why isn't "Tell them both to do what they think is best for their own lives" an option?

55jayhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

I won't blame Cole if he goes to the pros now because of family needs. What I saw this year in times of heavy battle under the boards, he didn't fair too well at times. It seemed like his hands were not holding on to the ball for whatever reason. He may be playing in a defense mode trying to play good, but not get hurt. Big time basketball is tough and the K-State game last night proved that point. Whatever Cole does though will be right for him but one more year, would be good for KU probably more than his future and needs. X can sure use another year as he still has to prove himself. Had he done more this year, then he might have a reason to move on to the pros. Finally, I think he owes KU at least one more year as this one and out is not fair to the school that recruited him. I am against the NCAA for allowing this to happen and that needs changing also. More mothers need to stand up and say I want to see my son or daughter walk the Hill at graduation or like Sharron's mother said;"I want to see my son or daughter on Sr. night". Good luck to all of you guys whatever your decision is and good luck Sharron in the Pros.

jchief40 10 years, 6 months ago

"make sense" .... where are you from? Kentucky?

JacquesMerde 10 years, 6 months ago

I still can't believe that if drafted either will go very high up.

JacquesMerde 10 years, 6 months ago

I still can't believe that if drafted either will go very high up.

Jchief. How about "didn't fair too well." See 55Jayhawk post. Think he went to Kentucky? How about UNI?

dynamitehawk 10 years, 6 months ago

I would tell them the truth about my hair. They deserve to know.

Matt Friedeman 10 years, 6 months ago

Self ought to believe in college degrees like Bobby Knight does. The standard approach Coach Self should take before parents, players and the Jayhawk faithful is 1) college is about academics...we philosophically believe in undergraduate education...get your degree, 2) take full advantage of the 4 year college experience, 3) if you decide otherwise, I will respect that. We send out confused signals if we do otherwise. When sports rams up against education, sports should bow, and that includes these kinds of decision.

Jason Musick 10 years, 6 months ago

I really like Cole Aldrich and he needs to move on. I think another year of College will not help him. He has what he needs to make it to the next level. Josh Selby is waiting for Cole's Scholarship. He is a fantastic scorer and rebounder.

X needs to move on too. He could not be counted on in the big games. Jordan Knight out of Florida says he will stay 2 to 3 years in College. He can score a lot of points for KU.

Good Luck to Cole and X please hire an agent. so Bill Self can have the Scholarships to offer!!

Thanks for your hard work.

Mike Crosbie 10 years, 6 months ago

regarding the NBA lockout....whoever leaves now will not play ANYWHERE next year...and won't get paid either !!!

kschoenhofer 10 years, 6 months ago

only come back if your going to give 110% if not get the hell out don't need no half ass effort like we saw in some games this year.

Kye Clark 10 years, 6 months ago

Regarding the NBA labor situation - everyone should get their facts straight. There will be an NBA season in '10-'11. The current CBA does not expire until after next season. So players drafted this year will get their contracts and signing bonuses and will get paid. That being said, pretty much everything I've read, every expert, every analyst, all confirm that a lockout is inevitable. With this being done by the owners, it is a widely held belief that the negotiations will go in the owners favor, and one thing they are wanting is a lower salary structure. So while it is not guaranteed that the players will start seeing less money, it is a probability and definitely something that college players should take into account when making their decisions.

Now regarding the decisions of Cole & X, I'll start out by saying that they are both great players and I would love to have them back. I think both should declare yet not hire an agent and get a sense as to their potential draft position, and make the call from there. In the case of Cole, I don't think there's going to be much improvement in his draft stock if he stays another year. NBA execs all ready have a decent body of work on which to judge his game, and it is unlikely his game improves that much at this point in his collegiate career. However, he could potentially hurt his draft stock, although probably not all that much. We saw signs this year of fatigue and conditioning being an issue for him. I don't know if this was due to the bout with bronchitis earlier this year and he was never able to get back to top form during the grind of the season, or perhaps he has another underlying medical issue. I saw him on the bench using an inhaler months after the bronchitis had allegedly cleared up. Couple this with additional injury risk and I think he is probably best served going pro. I also think he'll finish his degree eventually, and won't be deterred by the paychecks rolling in, as one poster speculated.

With X, of course his game could benefit from an additional year of college coaching. However, I think there is significant risk of him hurting his draft stock by staying. We all saw X hit the freshman wall this year and struggle mightily for about 10 games. With another year in college NBA teams will be drafting him less on talent & potential and he will be more of a "known quantity" with a larger body of work to judge from. Should he have another slump similar to the one that plagued him this year, he could tumble quite a few spots in the draft, maybe even out of the first round. Like I said, his game could use some work, but my guess is the risk-reward will push him to enter the draft.

Kye Clark 10 years, 6 months ago

A few other musings from reading the posts here:

  • Kubigban: "Jordan Knight out of Florida says he will stay 2 to 3 years in College. He can score a lot of points for KU"

Not sure who this "Jordan Knight out of Florida" is. I imagine the poster means Brandon Knight, the #1 ranked recruit in the nation. While he has KU on his list, it is a widely held belief that he is going to Kentucky, that they've been in the lead for a long time and when he eliminated Florida from his list it signaled he was headed for Lexington. Just the rumors I've heard.

  • DynamiteHawk: "I would tell them the truth about my hair. They deserve to know."

That was the post of the thread. I laughed hysterically when reading that!

  • 55jayhawk: "think he owes KU at least one more year as this one and out is not fair to the school that recruited him. I am against the NCAA for allowing this to happen and that needs changing also. More mothers need to stand up and say I want to see my son or daughter walk the Hill at graduation or like Sharron's mother said;"I want to see my son or daughter on Sr. night".

My first response to this is to ask if there are a lot of daughters leaving college early to go to the WNBA? After getting over that chuckle I would then say that X does not owe KU anything. Bill Self (along with everyone else who recruited him) has said that he recruited him with the expectation that he was a one-and-done. So to say "its not fair" is off-base. We knew what we were in all likelihood getting. Now, I don't like the rule either, but it's the NBA's rule, not the NCAA's. How could it be the NCAA's rule? They can't force you to stay in college. The NBA says you have to be one year removed from high school. Either the rule needs to go all together or it needs to be like the NFL and state that a player has to be 3 years removed from high school. This would eliminate players from making a mockery of the term "student athlete". Rumors are that numerous Kentucky players have not attended class all second semester, and by the NCAA's eligibility requirements they don't have to (this rule is the fault of the NCAA).

  • wyansas : "its none of coach self's business."

Well, technically the state of the university's men's basketball program IS his business. That being said, just like Roy would do (and I would imagine all college coaches), Coach Self assists the players in getting the information they need to help them make these decisions. Relevant information from NBA sources regarding draft status, information regarding getting into pre-draft camps, etc. CS is also on record as saying he doesn't give them his personal opinion unless they ask (he said this in his end of the year press conference, and he said he's pretty sure Cole will ask).

resultsinMarch 10 years, 6 months ago

Cole got ate up by a mid-major center. He needs to come back and get stronger and quicker on offense.

X didn't show up most, if not all, games that count.

Every KU player I can remember that made it in the NBA stood out and had results in the big games.

Next years team needs to be "hungry," This year we have been fed way to well with what other "think" about how good we were. Where did that get us? Knocked out by a mid-major.

Kye Clark 10 years, 6 months ago

resultsinMarch - Regarding X not showing up...here's what Bill Simmons of espn.com had to say about it:

"Sherron Collins had such a stranglehold on the 2010 Jayhawks -- they deferred to him constantly, especially in big moments -- that it was like watching a cocksure 12th-grader playing with wide-eyed ninth- and 10th-graders. Get out of my way, I got this"

I atleast partially agree with that assessment. If ever the game was close and going to come down to the last couple of possessions, who was going to take the shots? Does anyone else even spring to mind? Hard for a freshman to try and put the team on his back when you have a senior point guard with a national championship ring who is all too ready to try and do it all himself. Now there were obviously times in big games where he could have stepped up before the last few possessions, but overall I think he was about what we should have expected. (Not sure which games you are referring to as "games that count")

As far as your statement "This year we have been fed way to well with what other "think" about how good we were." Were we fed too well with what others thought about how good we were, or did they think that based on a 32-2 season going into the tournament? When you look at the body of work this year's team put together - winning the Big 12 regular season by 4 games in a year where 7 teams made the tournament, winning the conference tournament, beating tournament teams Cornell, Temple, & Cal, beating KSU 3 times & Baylor (2 elite eight teams), winning at A&M - they probably had pretty good reason to think they were a pretty good team. I don't know what the problem was that led to the loss to UNI, and I'm not saying this team was without it's flaws, just don't know that it was a case of them believing the hype from others.

ABeesus 10 years, 6 months ago

I bet X will turn pro; that would explain why he took few chances w/ his body.

$ wise, Cole should have turned pro last year. This season hurt his 'stock.'

Sherron returned because he wasn't drafted in the first round last year [guaranteed $]. But that's likely where he'll again end up after his recent efforts.

All the 'upsets' in the tournament show that the rankings were wrong.

Pundits call them upsets, rather than admit that those doing the ranking concentrate on the major TV markets, instead of ability and coaching, wherever it is located.

buffalojayhawk9 10 years, 6 months ago

They need to take note from Michael Oher, complete college and then go pro. The money can wait, an education and a diploma are a million times more important.

Chris Bruning 10 years, 6 months ago

icthawkfan316 i have heard the same rumors of Brandon (Jordan?) Knight....rumors he is goin to Kentucky.....hopefully they are just rumors...but rumors are rumors...i have also heard he liked his experience in lawrence and his mother liked it alot too....who knows i would be extremely happy with Selby and/or Doron Lamb......

Kye Clark 10 years, 6 months ago

RCJ - yeah, again I don't have any insider information. It would be awesome to land any combination of Knight, Selby, and/or Lamb. We're also in the mix (and by some rumors in the lead) for Terrance Ross, the #43 ranked player by rivals.com, a 6'5" guard from Oregon. Obviously we need a point guard, and whether we are able to sign more than one player will depend on if both Cole & X leave early. I'm excited to see the make-up of next year's squad.

Christopher Johnson 10 years, 6 months ago

It's funny how we use dogging on Xavier is the argument for him coming back. Do we like him or do we not?

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