Roy Williams on KU: 'I'm a Kansas fan; I'm a North Carolina fan first'

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Ryan McAtee 8 years, 11 months ago

Pretty classy... you have to admire Roy for being honest!

ajhk 8 years, 11 months ago

Just to be clear, that's sarcasm, right?

dtownhawkfan 8 years, 11 months ago

Just like he doesn't give a sh*t about North Carolina, right?

Jeff Kilgore 8 years, 11 months ago

Whatever promise Roy made to stay at KU, I've never held it against him. He left to be with his mother, children, and grandchildren, to his home state. To see how hard he struggled with what for most people would be easy, says a lot about him, and, of course, about the kind of job KU basketball is.

ajhk 8 years, 11 months ago

I'll take that sentiment slightly further and thank the freak'n lord he left, gosh darn it. That whole saga was a blessing in disguise.

Do you also not hold it against him that he left his players he made a commitment to and tried to take his signed recruits with him. Or about the statement against the NCAA rules saying it's not fair to the recruits because now they're "stuck out there."

I would never think a recruit to our program as being "stuck out there."

But then again, I think very highly of our program.

I used to think badly of Roy, but thanks to Self, I don't think of Roy at all anymore.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 11 months ago

No, you clearly never think about Roy at all....

ajhk 8 years, 11 months ago

No, I really don't. So, according to your faulty logic, recalling thoughts once constructed in the far past = evidence of thoughts constructed in the near past.
It's out-of-sight out-of-mind for me when it comes to Roy.

I understand simple and ignorant assumptions are comforting and warm to some. It must feel better stopping short rather than pushing yourself to a point where you "clearly" see your limitations, so thank dog you didn't leave the starting line.

I do feel bad doing this to you but then again it was your choice to publicly expose yourself.

Now maybe we can get back to cheering on our REAL Jayhawks.

dw3c 8 years, 11 months ago

Sunday is my birthday, and I can think of no better birthday present than a repeat of the 2008 Final Four game.

Pitthawk34 8 years, 11 months ago

Roy did a lot of great things with the program..Im sure years down the road when he is retired...he will be back in the fieldhouse...for a nice reunion.

JayhawkFan1985 8 years, 11 months ago

Let's all keep our hostility where it belongs...with Mizzou.

Steve Reigle 8 years, 11 months ago

Roy Williams was an excellent ambassador for Kansas as well as an outstanding coach. I was bitter when he left, for awhile, but got past that and now can look back with pride and pleasure at what he did for us. Yes, we gave him his first opportunity but he, in turn, made us proud. He's moved on and we now have an even better coach, but Roy Williams will in my opinion always have a place in the halls of history at Kansas University.

gchawk 8 years, 11 months ago

Absolutely outstanding post, there's no way it could be expressed better.

railer20 8 years, 11 months ago

I couldn't agree more...I don't get why people are so harsh towards him. He gave us 15 great years and went to be home. It's not like he left us for a turd program either. Plus I like a coach that brings 8 straight conference titles and a nat'l championship!

Janet Olin 8 years, 11 months ago

+1. Roy had family members with serious health issues when he left, not 3 yrs. before, and I can understand that. He gave his best for 15 years, which was a great ride, and I thank him for that. KU fans were peeved because Dean sat behind the bench and was recruiting Roy during the Final Four, a major distraction. Down on Dean, not on Roy. He paid his dues by wearing JHawk sticker in the stands 2008 after KU eliminated his squad. Class act.

Jayhawk_4_Life 8 years, 11 months ago

Well said...anyone who still has bitterness towards Roy must really not realize what we have in Bill Self..The dude led us to a National Championship, something Roy never was able to do.

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Lawrence Morgan 8 years, 11 months ago

The followiing article, which has superb sports writing, includes the following statements:

"As you walk across the pathway leading to Naismith's image, you walk across the names of hall of fame coaches, all connected to KU in some way: Adolph Rupp, Phog Allen, Larry Brown, Dean Smith.

One name is conspicuously absent from the shrine of successful KU coaches: Roy Williams. Apparently, once you leave for North Carolina after telling TV audiences "you could give a * about North Carolina," you live, for now, as an outsider."

If the above is true, then KU basketball is badly mistaken. Roy Williams is and was a great person, not only in basketball, but as a greater part of the community. Anyone who speaks badly of Roy speaks badly of KU basketball itself.

The article was published this week, but it has not gotten enough publicity:

It is superb sports writing, and should be carried in the Journal World as a separate article on its own.

Chris Corley 8 years, 11 months ago

Thanks for posting the link! A must-read for any Kansas fan.

packywacky88 8 years, 11 months ago

Forget about Ol' Roy, Kansas will be playing the Ohio Bobcats heard it here first.

(the coach, not the dog food)

Benjamin Piehler 8 years, 11 months ago

I wonder if we'd feel the same way if Roy beat us in 08" and we never won that title. Just a thought... I'd like to think so; but I honestly don't know. So much of our Jayhawk reality has been shaped by that Final Four/National Championship.

cklarock 8 years, 11 months ago

That's a great point. I do think that win exorcised a lot of demons amongst the KU fans, and hopefully helped us get past the resentment. It was my impression at the time that it was cathartic for a lot of people.

Also, had we not gone out early that first year and Roy not won that first NC some of the bitterness might have been avoided, but I blame Illinois for not making a better hire to steer Coach Self's recruits to victory. That had to be tough for Coach Self as well; taking over a program dominated by one man, being resented by his new players and then watching the team he built make the final game of the season.

ajhk 8 years, 11 months ago

That game was definitely a large leap in the healing process but I give more credit to the entire body of work Self has accomplished. Self is a great coach it would hurt more to lose him than it ever did to lose Roy.

cklarock 8 years, 11 months ago

Roy was an excellent coach when he was here, and he left for his dream job - I honestly never saw a problem there.

Both programs have won National Championships since he left, and Coach Self has made the Big 12 his prison girlfriend, so I think it was a win-win. I'm happy for Coach Williams, and I do hope we get him back to honor him soon. Let's say for our next banner hanging. I'll even spring for the Jayhawk sticker.

86finalfour 8 years, 11 months ago

OK, i've wanted to mention this for years on these discussion boards but have waited for the right time. I think it's ridiculous that Roy is nowhere to be seen on any of the intro videos at AFH. He was a big part of some 15 excellent years of Kansas basketball. He deserves to be one of the coaches shown. S

ajhk 8 years, 11 months ago

I'm fine with adding Roy in there but not until he retires. That has to be a mandatory requirement. I would say the same about Self if he left. If a past coach is currently coaching another team he left us for... he should not be recognized until he is done coaching the other team. Our program is too successful and storied to do otherwise.

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