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November 26, 2011
Kansas coach Turner Gill talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 24-10 loss to Missouri on Nov. 26, 2011.
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dead man talking
My psychiatrist recommends that I don't listen to this
Let him stay. He's too expensive to fire because we'd owe him the rest of his contract within 90 days of firing him. Most coaches need a few years to get their recruits into their systems before a program turns around, anyway. (Note that Michigan is 10-2 with RichRod's recruits a year after firing him.) If he's given the time and succeeds, great. If he's given the time and fails, at least we've gotten something for our money.
And parrothead8 quotes: "If he's given the time and fails, at least we've gotten something for our money." What three instead of two dismal seasons? On a scale of 1 to 10 as a bad quote this ranks 9+.
So basically what you are saying, is once they got rid of RR after 4 years, the coach with RR's players did well, but RR couldn't win.
By the way: Stoops (2nd year), Saban (1st year, twice), Miles, (1st year, twice), Meyer (1st year), etc. I'm sure they needed 3 years to prove themselves.
Those needing more than 2 years, I've never seen successful if given 4 years. Your RR is the poster board of this, Hawkins (CU), Neushasel (UCLA, Washington), Prince, Fisher (still being evaluated at FSU), Sherman (TAM), the fact of the matter is 2 years, you should be able to see progress.
By the way there will be a negotiation for the buyout. KU can threaten incompetency and the fire "with cause". If they were successful he would get $0. So there will be a negotiation for something I would estimate in the neighborhood of $2.5-$4MM.
I'm not sure if Gill will stay or not, but you can't compare Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama and Florida with Kansas.
Virtually any coach will step into those 4 schools and win immediately. Granted all 4 of those guys are great coaches, which is why those schools got them.
The problem is Kansas fans (as a majority - or at least those on the message boards) have a sense of entitlement. We went to the Orange Bowl and therefore we deserve [insert greatest coach available].
Every major college football program cultivated that culture into what it is today. Somewhere along the line KU decided football didn't matter.
If whoever comes in doesn't get to a bowl game within 2 years there will be more clamoring for a new coach and cycle repeats.
Also, they would have to prove incompetency and the legal definition is not the same as the fan's definition. KU would have to show proof that Gill was knowingly running the program into the ground.
I didn't expect a winning season, or even a bowl game this year (cuz, y'know...bowl games are rather easy to achieve now-a-days). But be competitive. Show SOME improvement--at not just because the other team screws up. A good coach plays with what he's got. Gill shows he cannot...not even a little bit. He talks about 'heart', and 'effort' and 'team', but disgraces these terms and his team by not offering any hope for even minimal success. I feel sorry for the players, maybe this is a lesson to them that no matter how crappy your coach is, life goes on
yeah...Missouri fans berating us on our way out of the stadium. Gee, that was fun...
Wrong on all of the above. Rumor has it the big money donors have ponied up to buy out his contract. They, like most other KU football fans understand that Gill is not going to turn the program around. There are players on this team that were in the Orange Bowl as freshmen. They have not only lost, but lost in record fashion...in Gill's second year. KSU and ISU serve as examples that if the coach is worth a damn, it doesn't take 5 years to win. How ridiculous. The program is worse now than it was when Gill got here, and it's arguably no better in year two than year one. The longer Gill stays, the longer it will take to dig the program out of this mess, and in the world of conference realignment we cannot afford to wait and see what happens a few years from now. BTW, what have we gotten for our money in two years? KU football is the laughing stock of the country. Gill needs to be gone.
Maybe they could get Coach Webb, from Eudora.... Oh that's right he yells at kids we CAN'T have that at K.U. darn I sure miss Mangino!!!!
why do I listen to this guy? always the same ole same ole. This program has definitely gone backwards from last year alone. No one can blame this on Mangino or anyone else. The buck and a lot of them, stop with Gill.
I sure miss Mangino, too!!
I am not certain about the fate of Gill. I am certain that we will have a better athlete at QB next year. I cannot fault the kid for effort. However, under him we have no vertical threat and no running threat. Therefore, with him in there, there is no deception on the lead option. All the defense has to do is key the poor running back. I thought the defense played well enough for us to have won this game.
TU and KU suffered from the same malady on offense this year, i.e. very little threat from the QB postion. TU had a good enough defense to make up for it. We obviously did not.
For the good of the program, Zenger must say very quickly if Gill is going to stay or not. I am sure we will hear from him in the next two days.
I'm pretty sure if you are talking about Texas, they go by UT.
Is this the same Mangino who every season would have a 4-7 game losing streak? Even to the point that he was on the edge of being fired and people calling for his job before he had that magical season where we didn't play OU, Texas, and Texas Tech and when we played a decent caliber team we lost to them in the Boarder War? Oh...and he wouldn't practice on the practice fields that millions of dollars were spent to build because of fear of being spied on. Is this the same Mangino? I am just wondering....
Oh, and for all of those who want to give Gill another chance? I say ok....ONLY if the athletic department will give me my season tickets for free next season. I mean I figure since I have driven 3.5 hours back and fourth and spent countless thousands of dollars in Willams Fund dues, hotels, etc for the past two years, I should get something for my money.
Are you really as simplistic as your post makes you seem? Or, or you just naturally a cup-90%-empty kind of person?
In their 'magical season,' KU also won the Orange Bowl. And, Mangino was universally recognized as Coach of the Year (universally, meaning by his peers, too). Yep, that's the same guy.
And, he did not have a 4-7 game losing streak 'every' year; nor were the losses embarrassments, not generally, and certainly not by the standards KU had been historically accustomed to. In the season following the 'magical' season, KU did lose 4 of 5 in one stretch, the losses all being to nationally ranked teams, and two of which being by 2 TD's or less. But that year, we also beat both K-State and Missouri.
It's still difficult for me to comprehend the mental density required for people to hold Mangino's last season against him, knowing now, as we do, the degree to which his support in the front office had vanished.
Where he chose to have the team practice is an interesting to wonder about. I sometimes wonder what those stringy things on bananas are called. Oh well, to each his own.
Just logged in to see if Gill is gone yet. I'll drive him to Lincoln where they love him unconditionally if that's what it takes.
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