Thursday, May 16, 2019

Jayhawks measured at combine; Grimes and Dotson reportedly undecided on staying or returning

Kansas guard Quentin Grimes (5) and Kansas State guard Barry Brown Jr. (5) run down a loose ball during the second half, Monday, Feb. 25, 2019 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Quentin Grimes (5) and Kansas State guard Barry Brown Jr. (5) run down a loose ball during the second half, Monday, Feb. 25, 2019 at Allen Fieldhouse.


If you ever deliberated about exactly how tall Devon Dotson is or how long Dedric Lawson’s arms are, well, wonder no more.

The NBA published on Thursday body measurements for every prospect at the NBA Draft Combine who elected to go through the process — surefire lottery picks Zion Williamson, Ja Morant, RJ Barrett and Darius Garland, for example, declined to be appraised as such.

Each of the three Jayhawks in Chicago for the combine, though, was surveyed so his specific height, weight and other measurements could be made available to NBA executives and fans alike.

Among the draft hopefuls, Lawson had some of the longest hands, measuring at 9.75 inches in length. Only 7-foot-7 (in shoes) Tacko Fall from Central Florida had longer hands at 10.5 inches.

An All-Big 12 forward, Lawson measured 6-foot-8.5 with shoes and 6-7 without them, and weighed in at 233 pounds. Lawson has a 7-2.25 wingspan, 8-11.5 standing reach, 9.75-inch wide hands and 8.9% body fat.

Dotson, the fourth-lightest player to be weighed, at 178.6 pounds, stood 6-2 in shoes and an even 6 feet without them.

The freshman point guard has a 6-3.25 wingspan, 7-11.5 standing reach and 5.9% body fat. Dotson’s hands measured 9.5 inches wide and 8.25 inches long.

Quentin Grimes tied Yale’s Miye Oni for the distinction of widest hands belonging to a guard (10 inches).

Officially a 6-5.25 shooting guard in shoes, and 6-4 without, Grimes hit the weight scale at 209.6 pounds. Grimes’ wingspan measured at 6-7.75 and he had an 8-4.5 standing reach. Grimes’ hands are 8.25 inches long and he has 8.4% body fat.

While Lawson is expected to stay in the draft, Jeff Goodman of Stadium reported Grimes is “still keeping his options open” and has not yet decided whether he will return to KU or keep his name in the draft.

Dotson had stated previously he wants to experience the pre-draft process to gather information about his prospects for the future, leading most to expect him to return to KU unless he improves his standing immensely for this year’s draft.

Per Charlotte Observer reporter Rick Bonnell, Dotson said on Thursday in Chicago he’s still undecided which route he will take and his decision might not come until the May 29 deadline.

Bilas on Grimes

Shortly after ESPN’s live coverage of the combine tipped off on Thursday afternoon, analyst Jay Bilas offered his thoughts on Grimes, who was about to start for Team 2 in the first scrimmage of the day.

Bilas said the possible one-and-done prospect “didn’t have the kind of success you’d expect out of a guy to leave early.”

Grimes averaged 8.4 points in 36 games as a freshman and shot 34% from 3-point range and 38.4% from the field overall.

“He struggled shooting the ball. He’s a good shooter at times, but struggled shooting the ball throughout the season,” Bilas continued.

“Quentin Grimes when he came out of high school was considered a one-and-done prospect, but after the way he played his freshman year, with a lot of ups and downs, I think a lot of people, myself included, thought maybe he’s not ready; maybe it would help him to go back,” Bilas said of Grimes, whom he has ranked 63rd on his list of best available prospects. “But he’s strong, he’s a good athlete. I think he needs to vary his game by improving his skill level, putting the ball on the floor, but he certainly does have ability and he’s a really good kid.”

In the first five-on-five scrimmage of the combine, Grimes played 20 minutes and scored 9 points on 4-for-8 shooting. He went 1-for-3 from 3-point range and contributed 3 assists and 4 rebounds as his team won, 92-73.


Steve Corder 1 year, 11 months ago

Wouldn’t it be bit ironic if Dotson stays in the draft and Grimes returns.

Craig Carson 1 year, 11 months ago

more like nightmarish LOL....I think KU can handle losing Grimes, but Dotson is a bit harder to replace..

Robert Brock 1 year, 11 months ago

If Dotson stays in the draft, RJ Hampton’s recruitment would be critical to KU’s success next season.

Bryce Landon 1 year, 11 months ago

They both need to come back. They're not ready.

Chris Bailey 1 year, 11 months ago

So does Lawson. I mean why would you leave early to be a mid-second round pick?

John Strayer 1 year, 11 months ago

Because return won't help his position...only proved the opportunity to worsen his position if he doesn't meet or exceed last year's production.

Dwayne Mudd 1 year, 11 months ago

And with Dok in the mix he won't get the same numbers

Glen Miller 1 year, 11 months ago

It would be a huge blow to our team next year, regardless of who we get in recruiting, if Dotson stays in the draft. At the end of the day he needs to do what is best for him and if his best option is to stay in the draft then I wish him nothing but the best and hope he succeeds. As a fan, I sure do hope that he comes back though......... we shall see.

Freddie Garza 1 year, 11 months ago

I generally am of the opinion that if you're considered to be a lottery pick or a guaranteed first rounder, typically the best thing to do for yourself is to remain in the draft whether you're physically ready or not to be an NBA basketball player. If you're fringe, considered a second round pick or unlikely to be drafted, you'd be much better served returning to school and refining your game until you can play your way into the first round or you run out of eligibility.

I'm not sure either of these guys are 1st rounders right now. Perhaps one day they will be, but there's a LOT to be said for being able to obtain a guaranteed contract versus NOT having one and risking becoming a basketball vagabond.

David Robinett 1 year, 11 months ago

Not surprising, but slightly disappointing that our 6’9 forward is really 6’7. I know they always exaggerate, but what’s the freaking point?

Tracey Graham 1 year, 11 months ago

Actual height doesn't matter all that much, especially since no one plays in his bare feet. Zion Williamson is supposedly only around 6'6", for example. Wingspan and standing reach are more important,especially defensively. And Lawson measured out well in those areas. So did Grimes.

Trey Hohman 1 year, 11 months ago

I think Grimes will stay in the 2019 draft and can sneak into the late first round with another good Combine Day today and with some future solid workouts. After pick 20 it seem like you can throw all of the college stats out the window as far as NBA scouts are concerned. After pick 20, NBA scouts are just looking for guys with solid measurables that a team can self-control, self-develop and they can see playing rotation minutes within two years. That fits Grimes situation to a tee.... I think Dotson should also stay in the 2019 draft but for different reasons. Since 2015 only one player under 6'1" standing height w/o shoes has been drafted in round 1 and that was Trae Young last year. I think Dotson would have to go nuts from 3-point range (43%+) next year at KU to guarantee himself a higher spot in the 2020 draft vs 2019 draft.

This link kinda says it all c/o how the NBA scouts one-and-done freshmen outside of the lottery....Rock Chalk. Good luck to all our guys, including L. Vick.

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Tracey Graham 1 year, 11 months ago

Last I saw, Grimes was being projected to to go undrafted. So it's unlkely he would be able to go from not getting drafted at all to getting picked in the 1st round. He, Lawson and Dotson are all probably going to be 2nd round picks (if Grimes & Dotson stay in the draft).

Trey Hohman 1 year, 11 months ago

Maybe you're right, but there's still a lot that can change between now and draft night.. Especially with this draft class which gets super volatile from picks 18-50. I dunno, when it all shakes out -- I don't know if NBA teams are passing on Grimes physical upside (he literally just turned 19 a week ago) over say, someone like Tyler Herro or Matisse Thybulle at picks 25-30. I saw them play and they were good, not great, but really good....When they played great, they didn't stick out as better than Grimes the few times he played really solid for us....but who knows. Several years back, Avery Bradley at UT started the season as the #1 high school player in America and then had a super weird freshman season and still got drafter in rd 1 by Boston. And Grimes situation just feels similar, I dunno.

Brian Skelly 1 year, 11 months ago

Grimes may not come back, but he's not getting drafted in the first round. He'll be playing for money somewhere, but it's not going to be in the NBA.

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