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Sunday, March 24, 2019

Key Jayhawks not focused on discussing their futures at Kansas

Kansas guard Quentin Grimes (5) and Kansas guard K.J. Lawson (13) defend against Auburn guard Will Macoy (22) during the first half on Saturday, March 23, 2019 at Vivint Smart Homes Arena in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Kansas guard Quentin Grimes (5) and Kansas guard K.J. Lawson (13) defend against Auburn guard Will Macoy (22) during the first half on Saturday, March 23, 2019 at Vivint Smart Homes Arena in Salt Lake City, Utah.

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Salt Lake City — For a program like Kansas basketball, the end of the season brings with it questions about the future of the roster, the stay-or-go dilemma for KU’s future pros and the prospects of what the next group — in this case the 2019-2020 team — might look like in the very near future.

This KU team, which had its season come to a screeching halt in the form of an 89-75 beatdown at the hands of 5th-seeded Auburn on Saturday night at Vivint Smart Home Arena, is not without those questions.

In fact, despite their 26-10 record and the end of the Big 12 title streak, these Jayhawks have just as many questions as any in recent memory and the weeks ahead will be about dealing with those.

Saturday night was not.

“I don’t even think about that right now,” freshman guard Quentin Grimes said Saturday night when asked if he had a decision to make about turning pro or returning to Kansas for his sophomore season. “It may kind of linger on, but I definitely haven’t thought about anything like that right now.”

Grimes, who entered KU as a projected lottery pick, endured an up-and-down season with the Jayhawks and fell off of most NBA mock draft sites. But his size, age, skill set and upside still make him an attractive prospect in the eyes of some talent evaluators.

And Grimes is far from the only Jayhawk who could have some thinking to do and decisions to make in the coming weeks and months.

“Well, obviously Dok (Udoka Azubuike) and Dedric (Lawson) and Silvio (De Sousa) are all questions for next year,” KU coach Bill Self said Saturday of his injured junior center, All-American junior forward and suspended sophomore who is in the process of appealing an NCAA decision to keep him sidelined all of 2018-19 and next season, as well. “And certainly maybe other players, as well. We are used to dealing with that. That’s OK.”

Like Grimes, Lawson said he was not thinking about any potential decisions on Saturday night. His brother, K.J., who transferred to KU from Memphis with him and will graduate after this semester, also could have a number of options open to him, as well.

But he, too, was not in the mindset of worrying about such decisions or discussions on Saturday night.

“I haven’t even thought about it,” K.J. Lawson said. “I’m dealing with this loss. Of course I want to be back. This is where I’m at, this is where I’m committed to and we’ll just take it day by day and get back in the lab, after some rest.”

The only thing we know for sure about next year’s roster, as of today, is the fact that Kansas will be without senior Lagerald Vick, who left the team to take a personal leave with 13 games remaining this season, and has signed Class of 2019 guards Christian Braun and Mackey McBride.

The Jayhawks remain in pursuit of some of the top talent in the 2019 class — Top 10 prospect Matt Hurt chief among them — and, one way or the other, will almost certainly have to sign a few more pieces for the 2019-20 season.

Who those pieces will be, what positions they’ll play and how many they will need are all questions that will be sorted out in the next couple of months.

But if there was one thing, regarding this topic, that was weighing on Self’s mind Saturday night it was the disappointment of what the second-round exit means for Dedric Lawson, a player whom Self called “one of the special kids we’ve had in our program in recent years,” after Saturday’s loss.

“He has got to make some decisions,” Self said. “He’s had as good a year as we could have ever hoped for. And I hate it for him because he only got to play two (NCAA Tournament) games. He and K.J. Came and they only got to play two games in the tournament this year, and it may be the only two that Dedric plays.”

Comments

Andy Godwin 1 month ago

Can you say rebuild. Rebuild, not “reload”. As demonstrated for much of the season the talent level was less than years past. From preseason #1 on paper to getting demolished in the round of 32. This team did not accomplish much that will be remembered other than ending the streak. Self has lost out on most of his targeted top 100 recruits for 2019-2020. Did anyone even remember that Braun and McBride are the only signed recruits for next season? I don’t even recall on signing day Self talking or this site writing much about these recruits. In the past Self has pulled last minute recruits out of the hat to fill gapping holes, who latter become lottery picks. With the Adidas cloud still hanging over his program and rumors that he will be headed for the NBA, he has his hands full to fill the roster with talent to complete with other top programs outside of a mediocre Big 12. It is hard to know for certain who will leave and if De Sousa will ever play more than a couple of games in a KU uniform. Dotson was by far the best freshman and is someone who can only get better and lead the team. But who will fill in the other staring roles? The overall lack of athleticism of this year’s team was exposed on many occasions. Remember Self was forced to use Ochai’s redshirt season, even when Vick was on the team, so he could add someone who could actually finish an alleyoop. If all returned minus Dedric and Vick, one can speculate that with an additional year under their belts they will be better. However, that is a big IF. David McCormack has a long-term upside, but as indicated before, most centers under Self, not named Embiid take time to develop. Grimes struggled mightily on both sides of the ball and in most years with a more talented roster would have seen the bench considerably more after missing yet another defensive assignment. Garrett needs to become an offensive threat and the bench play needs to improve considerably - by leaps and bounds. I believe Jeff Long offered basketball season ticket holders a 2 year price guarantee for a reason (three years for a rebuilding football program); there is a chance next season will be even more challenging and dare I speculate the outcome worse by KU standards.

Marius Rowlanski 1 month ago

Braun has moved up to #96 and 'McBride is at #104 on Rivals. Both of these players have moved up significantly, only proving that Self knows what he is looking for and recognizes it often before any other coaches.

Still, continuing losing the best players in Kansas to other states is extremely frustrating. Lester Earl's son is going to Villanova. Now that would have been a notable recruit.

Semi Ojeleye may not have been as heralded as other Kansas players but the five-star recruit took his game to Duke before transferring to SMU and is now finishing his second year in the NBA. Maybe not great but on a year we desperately needed another big (which seems like every year now) he MIGHT have made a difference

RJ King 1 month ago

How could Ojeleye have made a difference this year when he graduated in 2017?

Marius Rowlanski 4 weeks ago

Maybe because he played for 3 years and not just 2017. Were you born stupid?

Bill Kackley 1 month ago

Wow what a dismal outlook. I believe if they can get Desousa' s eligubility reinstated for next year we will have everyone back and with a year under their belt be a national title contender.

Robert Brock 1 month ago

Udoka and Lawson go pro. Silvio fails in his appeal to the NCAA. So:

Starters

  1. David McCormack (promising but raw - needs a lot of work on big-man fundamentals)
  2. Mitch Lightfoot (somebody has to do it)
  3. Ochai Agbaji (athletic but inexperienced and not ready for prime time)
  4. Quentin Grimes (skilled, but unathletic and slow, and lacks basic confidence to be a shooter)
  5. Devon Dotson (great upside - FAST but he needs work on passing and shooting to be a complete PG)

Bench

Marcus Garrett (terrific defender, good handles, awful shooter) McBride (?) Braun (?) Charlie Moore (que the Benny Hill music)

Marius Rowlanski 4 weeks ago

McCormack>Dok. Hate to say it Dok but McCormack will have just have surpassed you by next season which is why Dok will go pro.

Bill Kackley 1 month ago

Wow what a dismal outlook. I believe if they can get Desousa' s eligubility reinstated for next year we will have everyone back and with a year under their belt be a national title contender. Why would either go pro late second round or undrafted

Craig Carson 1 month ago

that 2013 team had a dismal outlook as well prior to the season...Elijah Johnson, Tharpe, Releford, Withey, Young ect..that team had the talent to win just 20 games..but yet they won 30, won the BIG12 and were a missed EJ FT from another E8 appearance

Barry Weiss 1 month ago

I'm sorry, I can't buy into this jazz about our players going pro, at least the NBA. To me only one player would get drafted and that is Dedric and probably in the second round. The rest have way, way too much to develop at the college level. There are so many really great players still in the tournament and sometimes we think our players are better than most, but we have not seen the studs on all of the other teams that lead those teams all year long.

Steve Zimmerman 1 month ago

I'm with you on this one. In fact, we do not have ANY players that will be drafted in this team, to be frankly. None of them is ready. Including Dok.

Marius Rowlanski 1 month ago

How much is Dok going to improve by coming back? I don't see the athleticism needed for him to be much more than a rim protector. I don't see much more improvement for Dedric either. Dedric is highly skilled but also lacks athleticism. Dedric will find a spot on someone's roster next year and will probably have a decent NBA career.

Dane Pratt 1 month ago

I think Udoka is more likely to go pro than Dedric. Not that he's a better player but I think he's reached his ceiling and playing college another year puts him at risk of another injury.

Steve Zimmerman 1 month ago

Dok does NOT have stamina as a pro. Period. He can post, that's about it. He will never get called out of bench. Never.

Craig Carson 1 month ago

I think you have that the other way around..Dedric has reached his ceiling in college bball..Dok however could work on his FT and learn a few more post moves..perhaps even condition himself better..but I agree with you on the injury part..does Dok really want to risk another injury by staying another season?

Dane Pratt 1 month ago

I don't see Udoka ever being more than a backup in the NBA. Sure, he could improve his stock with another year but I don't think it will matter much. He can make a nice salary riding the pine. That said, if he wants to return I'm all for it.

Karen Mansfield-Stewart 1 month ago

It will be an interesting couple of months for sure. I don’t see how anyone other than Dedrick and Silvio seriously consider leaving for pro careers; but I’m often surprised. However I think Moore is a likely transfer candidate. With two players signed and, in my mind, four scholarships likely available I wouldn’t be surprised to see the staff add one to two more players depending on who’s willing to come in a somewhat unsettled environment.
I believe Braun is an outside shooting threat - which we desperately need - and Hurt would be the inside presence we need if Dedrick leave.
If we add Hurt and Udoka finally stays healthy we could be pretty good next year.

Steve Zimmerman 1 month ago

I always wonder why, year after year, the trend at KU is like:

  • last minute highly touted recuits commitment.
  • outside top-50 low ranked recruits.

Are there any kind of survey-monkey for these recruits? What made them pick Bama, Memphis, or God-forbid Georgia, instead of KU? Is it the coaching principal? Is it the training/player development program? Is it the facility? Is it Adidas?

Knowing those reasons, can the university do something about them? Can we, fans, help in any way?

Marius Rowlanski 1 month ago

Steve, when I look at all these teams in this tournament, I'm amazed by how many really good players just don't get noticed. Self has done remarkable work with players ranked outside the top 50. I'm more worried with this trend of signing players who never play. Preston made our recruiting class and never played.

There was a period when Kansas seemed to be ready to win two or three championships, I think Obama might have picked us three times, but it never happened and we've never been really close since 2012. Look at Calipari. Everyone thought the new recruiting rules were going to make Kentucky the 'Kings of One and Done's'. Successful enough for one title but surprisingly that's it.

I think Self has found himself in a recruiting war that Kansas isn't going to win. Steve is right in that we often land our best players near the end of the late signing period when players are looking for teams that will get them the most attention. They aren't coming to Kansas because of tradition. High school players just don't think like that. They are just as apt to want to start their own dynasty.

Steve Zimmerman 1 month ago

Yep, I've said this in the beginning of season. Our players need to be groomed, to develop individual skill sets. There are no pull-up jumpers, no floaters, no fake move and cut to get open, no lobs (well, Dotson doesn't know how to throw it, either). Part of it, if not most, the strategy that coach BS has the kids to follow. The main offense comes from the post. It's a stagnant, decades old technique that might be successful if we also have outside threats. It's either inside or outside. That's about it. Only recently, we attack through layups after layups, because there's no other choices - well, let's just say that layup is preferred by the coach. The kids have shown actually, they can play motion offense one or two times, but that strategy was buried - for some reasons. Perhaps when Vick's departure happened. If our coach is committed to 'revamp' his strategy, I am 100% sure, we won't find difficulties signing prized recruits. Yes, that includes hiring (assistant - because we still love coach BS) coaches that have been in the NBA (Rex is available). Trust me on this.

Dirk Medema 1 month ago

These articles should be called Bonnies. Isn't that the name of the lady who interviewed Coach Williams in the hallway before he even had a chance talk to his players? Sorry about the old wounds for some. It is right up there with the "Way too early rankings" but at least they recognize their lunacy and generally give respect to the players and coaches in the process.

Just looking at stats would indicate that Dedric would leave. Looking at individual games and the next level would indicate there's plenty of reason for him to return. It is called strength and a big difference in the 2 levels. The commentators in the cbs studio were discussing it about other players - that it's the difference and why virtually zero HS players were ready to go straight to the NBA. The strength differential between teens and grown men.

The trend and key to defending against Dedric is throwing bodies at him. In the NBA there are players mature enough that you don't need multiple players to accomplish it. Without the strength to finish through contact you are left hoping for a foul call. To his credit Dedric is great from the stripe but that doesn't offset the below 50% ft percentage. What was his 1st half fg line? 1-10? That is a big chunk of our hole and not particularly different from OU and other games where we have struggled though definitely not our only problem.

He came to KU to take the next step in competition and has had a fabulous season at this level but also exposed his limitations for the next level.

If he comes back his pt and R #s likely won't improve but if he commits greater time to Hudy his %s will and so will his chances at the next level. He could do it on his own but it seems unlikely that someone is going to pay him much if he hasn't shown the inclination to do it at this level.

He's an upgraded Perry Ellis. And while I like Perry college exposed his limitations. My guess is that he has a very successful career away from bb and hopefully Dedric is similarly prepared if he decides not to take his strength to the next level to match his other fantastic skills.

Bryce Landon 1 month ago

Nobody on this team has any business going pro, least of all Quentin Grimes. Everyone needs to come back and get better. The only exception I would make would be for Silvio. No sense in him sitting on his ass all next season because of the vindictiveness of the NCAA. He should consider pro ball in Europe.

Adam Bengtson 1 month ago

Futures? Not 1 player on this roster will have his name called in the 2019 draft. KU biggest problem next year is you will have 3 bigs and no one that can shoot.

Allin Herring 1 month ago

Because of the FIB investigation we will not get any top tier recruits. That includes Hurt who is leaning towards UNC now. Thank you Bill Self. He has had a trend lately for getting late signers who tend to have issues and no,one else wants,to risk singing them. We are not going to get recruits that will be ready to,add much right out of the gate until,we get over the FBI And before,then we may be looking for a new coach. Alot,of rumors that if we did not make the sweet sixteen Bill was leaving for the NBA.

Bee Bee 1 month ago

Arizona has the #1 class for next and the F B I is also investigating those mad dog killers! (Yes, sarcasm)

Doug Cramer 1 month ago

Don't see how any of these guys should consider going pro unless they want to play in Europe.

Grimes shouldn't even be a question mark.

Brian Wilson 1 month ago

Ridiculous. Not only should no one go pro but Self needs to self evaluate.
Wow, did Auburn hit those three point shots in rhythm!!! Not to mention clearing the lane with the Ally-oop slam.
All season long our players are not sticking with their man Over helping out in inside leaving the backside open and by the time we get back to defend the shot is already on its way. Offensively we need to learn from this. KU needs to learn how to get the other team to collapse so much so our guys can take its shots quicker and in better rhythm, as well as more efficient ways to attack inside and down the lane. To me this is Bill Self's worst year coaching. I know he had a lot to adjust having three players out but coaching defense, coaching how to defend three point shooting, at this level, with Self's knowledge and experience, and the level of talent we have, we should have been able to make improvements. I see of some of our players leaving town....but not to the pros....Glad the season is over. We had a good year compared to most but it was not to the expectation for our talent. I can't wait for next year. RCJHKU!

Jim Stauffer 1 month ago

All I can say to your comments, Brian is, your name will never be misspelled as brain. Bill Self is a terrific coach who recruits to Kansas who is in the middle of the country and completely overlooked by the mainstream media in favor of UK, Duke and UNC. He has done a marvelous job. It looks like he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. But even that is interesting. We are being punished with severe penalties to Silvio because Zion asked us for money by way of Adidas rep. It is assumed from Townsend's comments we intended to get the money, but there is absolutely no proof we ever did. Yet Zion then goes to Duke and not a whiff of suspicion is voiced by FBI, or NCAA and especially ESPN and major media outlets. This is the hill we ask our coach to climb. He does need to change his strategy. I agree with that. KU will never be able to out recruit Duke and UK and UNC. And that is not because we cannot appeal to kids but it is because everyone they listen to tells them to go east and get the hype for your career in the league. So, yes, we should make our plans to build with the Brauns, McBrides and occasional Dotsons and McCormacks in the future. And with these 4 kids (if they stay a couple more years) we will have something special. IMO we will be better served to make a serious run in the tourney every 2-4 years instead of shooting for a No.1 seed every year.

Brian Wilson 1 month ago

Agreed.....we do have some really good players to build around and make a serious run soon. And, I'm pretty sure HCBS does a personal performance review every year and will make adjustments.

Mike Hart 1 month ago

Brian, you can stop right after: "To me this is Bill Self's worst year coaching. I know he had a lot to adjust having three players out...". Not just 3 players... but out best outside shooter... and our 2, established, very sizable big men. With only Dedric Lawson inside... teams could sag in the lane on him and dare us to shoot from outside. Thanks to Quentin Grimes being so overrated, we could not shoot from outside enough to stop defenses from keying in on Lawson. Dok and DeSousa would have been formidable inside... we would have killed teams on the boards. Think how few dunks we had after Dok went out and Vick went home. Only Agbaji got the occasional jam. Dotson penetrating the lane with no finisher to dish the ball to... really hurt / limited our overall offensive game. We became very one-dimensional on offense. Losing Dok, DeSousa and Vick is a very big deal... and no amount of "coaching" is going to fill that void.

Brian Wilson 1 month ago

First, it is my opinion. Second, it's not like I am saying Bill Self isn't a Great coach, because he is, Third....I double down.....what you give are all a bunch of excuses!! When something doesn't work you go outside the box. Four guards didn't work so all Bill did is what he should have done the moment Dok went down anyway....which is he played Mac. Grimes should have been benched. Grimes had a good final game but it was a blow out. KU could have used greater size and height inside and out. Just a thought but...it's possible Dedric could play small forward in the NBA, maybe and at some point this season we should have moved him over and started him in place of Grimes. Apparently Bill couldn't think of that. KU could have played big with Mac at Center, Lightfoot and K.J at power forward and Dedric taking the three's! Garrett and Grimes could of contributed off the bench. I calculated it a dozen different ways, and it's a fact..... Grimes was the eighth ranked player for efficiency and productivity on the team. Garrett, KJ and Lightfoot should have all been playing before Grimes. Sticking with and playing Grimes 30 minutes a game was a wish and a prayer for a breakout. Seomtimes you have to get off your **** and try something. If you haven't broke out after 20 games maybe you need more bench and practice time to develop. Grimes made a difference in only a few games and he could have done that coming off the bench. Most games Grimes was in he was a ghost and while waiting for him to grow into his panties we could have been trying something different. Further, you can coach defense. Vick was no defensive guru and Dok although tremendously effective inside is no outside stopper. With Grimes starting not only was he a ghost but our defense was horrible and that is something you can change, something you can teach, and what Self's teams are supposed to be known for. And finally, when you coach 15 seasons one is going to be your best and one is going to be your worst. IMO, this is his worst. So, I'm glad it's over and I can't wait for next year. Get over it. RCJHKU!

Chad Smith 1 month ago

We had a young flawed team, these freshmen aren't one and done freshmen, they are what we used to refer to as "college basketball players."

No one on the team should go pro at this point. Even Dedric, who had a great season, graded out as a late 2nd round pick in the draft and that's a best case scenario.

The thing coming into season that Self and the fanbase learned quickly was that with a passing 4 man like dedric getting the ball to doke in great positions and freeing up the court for the rest of the players was awesome. Before Doke got injured and vick left, we know what this team was capable of, they could beat anyone.

Doke and Dedric need to come back and dominate the paint like they were supposed to. All the freshmen will improve. The ceiling is high for Dotson, McCormack, grimes, and agbaji. They should all be 3-4 year players. Get matthew hurt and the scenario for this team changes a lot for next year. Get Hurt and one more good recruit and Kansas is right back to being dominant again. In my mind, we aren't that far off from being a contender again. Everyone will improve and Doke's presence is paramount.

ROCK CHALK

Marius Rowlanski 1 month ago

What does Dok or Dedric gain by returning? I don't see a big uptick in either's game next year. Dedric will certainly get picked up and make a spot on someone's roster while Dok better get ready for the G League

Stuart Corder 1 month ago

There is not a single KU player that will get drafted in the first round of the NBA this year.

  • Dok isn’t athletic enough, and he’s shown to be injury prone.

  • Grimes underperformed and revealed that he is not NBA ready, though flashed potential a couple of games and improved throughout the season.

  • Dedric Lawson’s game doesn’t translate well to the strength and speed of the NBA game. He’s too soft for the NBA right now.

  • Silvio may depart as a result of the NCAA penalty, but if he does it won’t be to the NBA.

LeGerald Vick has the best chance to make an NBA roster, if he can show consistent shooting at NBA combines. I bet he makes the NBADL.

Steve Zimmerman 1 month ago

Vick is a horrible ball handler and bad defender. He can pass, but not in the league. He won't get drafted. Silvio has a shot in the NBA but he's not quick enough, I'm afraid.

Marius Rowlanski 3 weeks, 5 days ago

"Dedric Lawson’s game doesn’t translate well to the strength and speed of the NBA game. He’s too soft for the NBA right now.".

How would you know? Are you moonlighting with a second job, evaluating prospects/recruits? I find it hard to call the leading BIG12 rebounder and PPG
Sometimes people confuse skills with athleticism. To be successful in the NBA you need to have at least one of these.

Dedric is a very skilled player who would have started on all but a couple of teams last season. Who do you think carried this team?

Mike Hart 1 month ago

Injuries aside.. why was this such a down year for Kansas? The lack of inside play (Dok, DeSousa) was exacerbated by an utter lack of outside shooting. Quentin Grimes was a top 10 high school recruit ... but his 38.4% shooting from the field (34% from 3 point land)... and 60.3% FT shooting... was abysmal. He was dead last on the team in FG% versus players who were routinely on the floor. The problem with that... is that Grimes took the 3rd most shots on the team. Another MAJOR underachiever was Charlie Moore. Looks like the year off as a Kansas transfer.. .resulted in him leaving his shot behind.. .as he shot 28.6% from the field... and 26.7% from 3. I mean Charlie Moore had absolutely no positive impact on this decimated Kansas squad. We shot 32% as a team from 3 point land if you subtract out LaGerald Vick's 45.5% contribution... that's the team we fielded at the NCAA tournament. Shut down Dedric Lawson and dare Kansas to hit the 3... that was the gameplan.. and it worked.

I found the question posed to Grimes comical... as if he would REALLY consider plans to turn pro after this past season. Fell off the NBA radar is right.

Dwayne Mudd 1 month ago

Next Season:

Dotson (total stud) Grimes (will be much better next season) Agbaji (unlimited potential) Dok (Horrific FT shooter an not the kind of shot blocker you would exptect with is size but dude has crazy hops and good hands. A ally oop pass anywhere near the rim DOK has great hand coordination and is going to go get it and flush it hard. His shear size, strength and athletic ability a huge huge asset) DSmoove (money)

DMac (a beast in the making) Garrett (can't shoot a lick but did show good improvement this year and a total stud otherwise) Lightfoot (gotta love him, tough as nails and bleeds crimson and blue) KJ (once her gets his confidence rolling can be fantastic player for us) Hurt (Unlikely we get him, but it's possible. Brings to mind a sick frontcourt for 20-21 season (Imagine DMac, DeSousa and Hurt. Can you say National Championship?). Braun (could have positive impact if his J is as wet as advertised)

DeSousa (would put us over the top but NCAA will take their sweet time, shamelessly screwing over this fine young mans life, as they seem to have a boner for us. Not getting my hopes up but he seems content in Lawrence and would not be surprised if he is willing to sit one more season to finally het his chance to shine and earn lottery position in draft (He is still so young coming to college a year early). Dude is a total stud. Was coming on like a freight train last year at the end. Terrific rebounder, scorer, and free throw shooter. I saw him block a shot in last yrs B12 tourney like I've never seen done before that I can remember. Just super quick hands and leaper)

What is there not to like about this team

The sky is not falling folks. And this news about Self not being happy I don't buy into it.. Media will say anything. Don't make it true.

All Blue Blood teams have off seasons. It just hasn't happened to KU for a long time so people tripping.

I'm getting off my soap box now.

RCJH go KU!!!! The future is bright. Bust out your shades.

Steven Haag 1 month ago

Dedric will go and most likely Dok. Dedric May not be a first rounder......but he won’t be next year either. He can’t do a whole lot more of improving. He has shown his skills and did well. He might have a worse year next year. Dok, Dedric, and Grimes will test the waters, they might as well. If some pro scout sees “potential” and all but assures that they will be drafted, they will be gone. The only one I see with a chance is Dedric. Grimes will most likely come back. Dok will either come back or go overseas. Moving forward, go hard after that ONE five star, all the rest of your recruits should be four stars that will be here awhile. Bill Self has ALWAYS had success with players that have been in the program 3 years or more.

Brian Wilson 1 month ago

Vick is gone. D'Sousa will go, why would he sit out a third year on penalty? Moore - I guessing will transfer. He is now odd man out. Dok - I'll be surprised if he goes. They told him last year to come back and work on things and I'm pretty sure he didn't make progress. Dedric & KJ - it looks like 2nd round at best for Dedric so maybe both come back. With Dotson's & Agbaji's breakout, and Braun's LOI, I would not be surprised if Garrett transfers even though Self likes him a lot. Hard to believe Grimes would go from starter to transfer but if Stanley signs who knows. Most concerning is that according to verbalcommits, KU is not really recruiting any Power forwards or Centers for next year. I would think that will be changing.

Jeff Coffman 1 month ago

One thing that is not in our favor is the 2020 draft will likely allow HS players. It is widely considered the double draft because you will get the players who should have gone pro, but had to go to college 1 year and the players that wont have to go to college. So if you were Dok or Lawson, you might have to include that in your evaluation. This year you are likely a 2nd rounder, but next year you might lose 15 spots because of the draft changes. Personally, I'd like both of them to return, especially Lawson, because he has a dribble and score on the road to develop. Dok I think has to get his FT % above 55% else he becomes obsolete in the pros.

Gary Wilson 1 month ago

There won't be 15 high schoolers drafted in one year, ever.

Craig Carson 1 month ago

Honestly, KU biggest concern isn't who stays or goes but will the NCAA show mercy or will they sanction us.....if KU is put on probation it wobt even matter what players they have

Brad Watson 1 month ago

The Key Jayhawk is Coach Bill Self.....BYU is very interested in Coach and have incredibly deep pockets....Coach likes Utah......who knows...my hope was that he would stay as long as Coach Allen and rewrite the record books here in Lawrence...but if personalities clash with administrators....if The suits try to put to many governors on the program...if they begin to micromanage too much...it might drive Coach away and he is our greatest ASSET...all the money that comes into the school has to do with basketball exposure...who would you replace him with...only a handful have the stature to take over...I think Coach is the best coach in college basketball...the very best....but if you must replace...Mark Few...Jay Wright....Coach Cal...maybe a Brad Stevens....would be my only choices....there are not any other coaches out there better than Coach...I think Coach is better than Coach K and Roy boy.....in my opinion....do whatever you have to do to cover for anything that may have happened and do everything to keep Coach here...He is the BIGGEST MAN ON CAMPUS and has been for a long time...Do not allow a hiccup to destroy everything..

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