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Wednesday, April 10, 2019

Quentin Grimes says goodbye to Kansas, declares for 2019 NBA Draft

Kansas guard Quentin Grimes (5) and Kansas State guard Barry Brown Jr. (5) run down a loose ball during the second half, Monday, Feb. 25, 2019 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Quentin Grimes (5) and Kansas State guard Barry Brown Jr. (5) run down a loose ball during the second half, Monday, Feb. 25, 2019 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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Dubbed a one-and-done player and potential lottery pick when he signed with Kansas in November of 2017, freshman guard Quentin Grimes made that fate official on Wednesday, when he announced on Twitter that he was declaring for the 2019 NBA Draft.

In a post that thanked his parents, the Kansas coaches, KU’s managers, academic advisors and training staff and, of course, the Jayhawk fans “for always bringing The Noise,” Grimes said simply, “At this time, I would like to take the opportunity to announce that I am declaring for the 2019 NBA Draft. I am looking forward to the next steps of my basketball career.”

Moments after Grimes' announced the news on Twitter, KU coach Bill Self offered the following thoughts on Grimes' decision via a press release.

"When we recruited Quentin we knew the chances would be great for him to have the opportunity to declare for this upcoming NBA Draft," Self said. "Quentin started every game for us and was a key performer in the success we had this past year. As a freshman he went through some highs and lows that, no doubt, will be great preparation for him moving forward. He has represented himself, our school and his family in a manner in we all can be proud of and our entire basketball community should wish him the very best moving forward."

In 36 games with the Jayhawks this season — all starts — the 6-foot-5 freshman from The Woodlands, Texas, averaged 8.4 points and 2.5 rebounds per game while consistently searching for his breakthrough moment.

Many believed it came in his KU debut, when Grimes hit six 3-pointers in KU’s season-opening victory over Michigan State at the Champions Classic, but the big, athletic guard never seemed to find his complete rhythm as the season went on.

Asked after the season if his inability to find his flow caused him to scratch his head, Grimes admitted to being caught off guard.

“Yeah, I definitely was surprised, just knowing what I can do and my skill set and everything,” he told the Journal-World. “But it’s just a learning experience. You grow from it and learn from it and it’s definitely going to make me a better player. It’s tough just kind of knowing what you can do and everything you have inside of you and what you’ve worked for. But you can’t worry about that. You have to keep focusing on you and bettering yourself and just do what you can for the team.”

Grimes’ ability to do just that was one of the biggest things he took away from his one season with the Jayhawks.

He told the Journal-World that his mental toughness and ability to handle his slumps and the criticism from the outside world was one of his favorite parts about his freshman season.

“I was focused and sharp the whole time and never really got down,” Grimes said. “And I had a great support system, with my parents and a couple other people, and I feel like I kind of matured as a person and as a basketball player just going through that.”

What Grimes will go through next figures to be an entirely new and likely even more difficult challenge than his adjustment to college basketball.

But the combo guard who shot 34 percent from 3-point range and 38.4 percent from the floor in 988 minutes at Kansas said his ability to grind through a tough 2018-19 season has him confident that he can do anything in the future.

“It’s a wild thing, just figuring it out, and it was kind of crazy going through the whole season (that way),” he said. “But I feel like I have a stronger mind and stronger mental state from going out there in tough games and things like that.”

Grimes becomes the fourth player from KU’s 2018-19 roster to announce his intentions to play elsewhere during the 2019-20 season.

Sophomores Charlie Moore and K.J. Lawson have entered the transfer portal and will look for another school to continue their careers. And junior forward Dedric Lawson announced he was turning pro earlier this week.

Grimes’ departure opens up yet another scholarship for Kansa to use in the 2019 class, which is becoming more and more important — not to mention bigger — by the day.

KU coach Bill Self and company now have four scholarships available to hand out on the recruiting trail in addition to Class of 2019 signees Christian Braun and Issac McBride, guards who signed with Kansas in November.

Grimes did not indicate whether he was hiring an agent in his announcement on Wednesday. But all indications from people close the program seem to believe this is the end of the road for Grimes at KU.

Grimes has been on and off of mock drafts throughout the past several months, surfacing only as a mid-to-late second-round pick on the mock drafts in which he has appeared.

He does not appear on either ESPN.com or SI.com's latest two-round, 60-pick mock drafts and is ranked No. 80 on ESPN.com draft guru Jonathan Givony's list of the Top 100 draft prospects entering April.

Even if he does hire an agent, Grimes’ could retain his college eligibility in a couple of ways.

The first kicks in if he requests and receives an evaluation from the NBA Undergraduate Advisory Committee. Such a move would allow him to work with an agent — who must be certified by the NBA Players Association — through the pre-draft process and still return to school provided he pulls his name out of the draft pool by the May 29 deadline.

The second would allow him to retain his representation all the way through the draft but would require two things following the June 20 draft. First, he would have to go undrafted. Second, if he does not get picked and wants to return to KU, he then would have to sever all ties with his agent before returning to Kansas.

Comments

Dale Rogers 2 months, 2 weeks ago

" He has represented himself, our school and his family in a manner in we all can be proud of and our entire basketball community should wish him the very best moving forward."

I absolutely agree with that and wish Q the best for his future. He has the talent to do well but should he decide, after going through the draft, that he wants to return (assuming he is eligible to do so), I would sure welcome him back.

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Only the total Chicken Little morons wouldn't want a player who has a real chance of being drafted to return.

What's funny is that there actually are people that stupid.

Bill Kackley 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I'll bet good money he doesn't get drafted and I am not a betting man. Big mistake on his part. He stays around he could hace become a first round draft choice.

M.E. Fisher 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Under the new rules, he can even hire an agent (if the agent is registered with the NCAA) and still return to school. Just declaring doesn't mean he's necessarily gone.

Marius Rowlanski 2 months, 1 week ago

Your bet already proved you are not a gambling man

John Joseph Gorski 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Possible this team will be worse next year with all the players leaving. Dotson, Agbaji, McCormack, Azubuike and Lightfoot are the starting 5, Garrett, Braun and McBride, Hurt(if he signs) off the bench. Then walk-on's. That's less talent then what Self had this season.

Craig Carson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

if Dok stays (doubt it) then at least the front court would be in decent shape...but KU is gonna need to sign at least 2 higher rated players

Craig Carson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

but yes, unless KU signs a few quality players, next year could see KU teetering on the NIT line..hate to seem so dark, but KU lost a lot and has little coming back..

Drew Doerfler 2 months, 2 weeks ago

you cannot play azubuike and McCormack together for any period of time....neither would be able to guard a quick, athletic, 3 pt shooting pf........that is not where the game is right now.....

David McNickle 2 months, 2 weeks ago

If we're lucky enough to get Hurt, he won't be coming off the bench

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Garrett doesn't start? They go with two centers and a PF? Johnny....you have no clue whatsoever. Who are the 4 Chicken Littles that liked that nonsense?

Drew Doerfler 2 months, 2 weeks ago

seems like a nice kid and wish him all the luck in trying to make the nba......on the other side, from a program standpoint, his one year at KU was a total waste....soooooo glad Self continuously played him over KJ waiting for his 'breakthrough' that never came. If i were KJ, i would be pissed too....he showed more than Grimes ever did and never got the playing time because Grimes was Self's pet player wiith potential. and i'm sorry, but he was a below average player all year long and I can't really say what he did well. So much for wait til next year to make having to watch him play this year worth it.......

Brian Wilson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

So spot on not even funny. KJ deserved better. His productivity per minute was 5th on the team and he really deserved to start. IMO, KU should have started 3 bigs with Dedric playing SF. Self kept playing Grimes over and over and over and over and it was so stupid, not even funny!

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

3 bigs? In an era when teams are going small? Dedric at 3 and KJ at 4? Neither have a prayer of guarding a decent 3.

Wow. Such complete nonsense.

Jeff Kallmeyer 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Totally agree, Self stubbornly allowed him to start and play too many minutes to the detriment of the team.

Joe Black 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Just because he didn't score a bunch of points doesn't mean he hurt the team anymore than his replacement would have. Also, KJ couldn't guard anybody they put him on and wasn't that great of an offensive threat. I like the kid but he wasn't better than Grimes at all.

Shannon Gustafson 2 months, 1 week ago

Grimes was the worst starter in the entire Big12 according to advanced stats. He was actually very similar to Charlie Moore statistically if you equalize their minutes. It's really crazy how poorly he played other than a few glimpses.

Cory McCart 2 months, 2 weeks ago

i didn't see this coming, but i guess i did!

Bill Lamson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

How is a guy who averages 8 & 2, as a starter, on anyone's draft board?? Is this draft that weak? I like him as a player, hoped he would come back and admittedly very surprised he's leaving (maybe I shouldn't be) but he had a full year to show his stuff and he never did. He never put together 2 good games in a row, at best he had one good game out of every 5, never showed he could get to the basket or make a shot whenever he needed to...honestly he looked more like a 6th man than a starter, and as others have often said he probably should have been benched in favor of KJ. I know it's tough not to recruit these 1 & done players, and I've defended Self's recruiting in the past, but it seems like the players that have worked out best for him have been the 3 and 4 year starters. Has he had more than 1 or 2 truly successful 1 year players that made a big impact.

Jesse Johnson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I would say the best players are the 2-3 year players. Think like Darrel Arthur and Julian Wright as great 2 year players, and Mario Chalmers, Brandon Rush, Thomas Robinson and the Morris Twins as great 3 year players. Brandon Rush was only 3 year because he injured his knee preparing for the 2007 draft and pulled his name out. Sherron Collins was a 4 year player but was talented enough he could have left after 3 years. Without those players, we don't win the 2008 title. When the game was in crunch time, it wasn't Russell Robinson, Sasha Kaun or Darnell Jackson making the big plays (even though they were definitely a big part of the team throughout the season).

Joe Black 2 months, 2 weeks ago

It's too bad Sherron didn't leave after 3 years. He was not near as good in his season year as he had been prior to that..

Sam Meyer 2 months, 2 weeks ago

So he'll get told he probably won't be drafted, and then the real decision comes. Considering you can declare every year if you'd like, this shouldn't come as a surprise. The surprise will be if he keeps his name in the draft. He seems like an intelligent young man. Hopefully he's intelligent enough to listen to smart advice and reject foolish advice in this area. Best of luck to him.

Craig Carson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

thats an interesting situation..if the NBA scouts themselves tell him he isnt ready when he does the combine, will he ignore them and go undrafted or will he come back to KU?

Jeff Kallmeyer 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Q won't get drafted and he won't come back to KU, a truly disappointing season.

Jeffery Stadler 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Q you can start the passport getting process at any local post office and probably should do that right now so you will be ready to head to Europe

Mike Barnhart 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Look at the history of top 10 national recruits and you'll see that more than half of them fail to be major contributors. (We're not the only program that's had to deal with the Josh Selby's and Cliff Alexander's of the world.) The sad fact is this, the sooner they leave, the better it is for us.

If he plays his cards right, worst case scenario, Grimes makes a couple hundred grand playing basketball for a few years then goes back to school, gets a degree and gets a regular job like the rest of us schmucks.

Armen Kurdian 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Heh, okay...I just don't see it, but I wish him the absolute best of luck. Wouldn't be surprised to see him come back.

Dane Pratt 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Same here. Nothing wrong with testing the market.

Marius Rowlanski 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Grimes is the one who should be the decision maker when it comes to his own life. I wish him, as a Jayhawk, a great future in the G League.

I keep hearing music from the early 80's

Danny Hernandez 2 months, 2 weeks ago

He’s been a great ambassador for the school, never complained. I wish Quentin all the best!! Still I’m selfish & wish he returned for his sophomore year.

Brad Watson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Q..........test the waters...but do not close the door to coming back...I think your game would benefit from one more season here.....I think you will end up with a sweeter contract after some huge production here next season....we want you back!

Marius Rowlanski 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Please... No encore needed or wanted. I will hope his future is a success as I do ALL former Jayhawks.

Michael Sillman 2 months, 2 weeks ago

This is probably the best decision for Grimes. If he stays and has another mediocre season, then his goose is cooked in regards to the NBA. Based on his high school career, some NBA team might give him a shot to see if his game translates better at the next level. If not I’m sure he can make some money overseas.

I actually feel his decision is best for the team as well. His presence would block the development of other guys who are better shooters. As has been pointed out, he was one of Self’s chosen few regardless of his actual production.

Armen Kurdian 2 months, 2 weeks ago

He goes into the NBA as a mediocre player he won't make half a season, get buried in the G-League, and play pro basketball somewhere in Japan. I see tremendous risk for him in not coming back.

Brett McCabe 2 months, 2 weeks ago

What a complete waste of everyone's time. Any reasonably capable evaluator of investment and return would point out to Self and staff the enormous waste of resources spent in recruiting OAD players. Private jets, valuable recruiting time by the coaches and staff, eligibility staff, tutors, housing, administrators, etc.

Any idiot would look at the results and return we get at Kansas from OAD's and realize its fool's gold. And it bores out the soul of the program, makes a mockery of the university and gets us zero championships. Zero. Zero. Zero. A zero sum activity.

Self needs to pull his head out of his butt and start recruiting actual players again.

Sae Thirtysix 2 months, 2 weeks ago

BMcBoob going from journalistic splendor to az wpe in less than 60 seconds. Bravo!!

Marius Rowlanski 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Grime was a major waste of time from start to finish. He was supposed to be the knockdown three, he could barely do a layup.

How many players have found himself sitting on the bench or ruled ineligible at Kansas? What happened with Selby, other than poor play?

Alexander, Preston, Silvio, Vick, Charlie Moore, Darrell Arthur, Udoka Azubuike, C. J. Henry, Thomas Robinson, Jeff Withey, and a lot of others who loves to work, and also meet real Americans. Not the Hollywood crowd but others who are willingn to get their hands dirty.

RJ King 2 months, 2 weeks ago

sorry, but your last paragraph makes absolutely no sense.

Rick Meyer 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I agree 100% Brett. Not only that. I don't see much improvement in any of the players throughout the course of the year. It's all about the name on the back of the jersey these days. The style of play has become very lazy. The coaching as well. We were run out of the gym against Auburn. We didn't know what hit us. Most of these kids still don't know what happened. But they think they're good enough for the NBA??!? Whatever.

Dane Pratt 2 months, 2 weeks ago

This year’s Duke team is a good argument against OAD recruiting and the OAD’s have not worked out well for us either. I’d rather have a team consisting of players like Frank, Devonte, Perry, Landen, etc. Which is kind of like saying we want good players, but not too good.

Phil Leister 2 months, 2 weeks ago

So we want good players, but not too good. Yet we all get up in arms when the "too good" players choose Duke or UK, and we complain about a top 100 guy. Anyone else see the hypocrisy here?

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

That's why they're called Chicken Littles. The sky is ALWAYS falling.

Matt Gauntt 2 months, 2 weeks ago

If I remember correctly, there were a couple hundred underclassmen that declared for the NBA draft last year, competing for a few dozen spots.

Some of these young men are getting really bad advice.

I wish Q the best. Hope you return, but I understand that is a slim possibility.

Greg Bowles 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I'm Surprised and not. He was a star in High School, but a dud in college. I don't see a good fit for him in the NBA, except maybe a tackling dummy. He couldn't compete with college level players, what makes him think he can with NBA talent. His best option in my opinion, is return and develop a stronger skill set. He can test the waters, but I think he will find it a very stormy sea.

Allin Herring 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Well Bill you did it again. You recruited another "OAD" like Josh Selby. Played him every minute you could over a player who played better like KJ who left the program from lack of playing time. Grimes is no closer being ready thqn Selby was. Grimes I hope have a fun experience like Selby did in the NBA. Oh yea He did not play did he. Grimes you are making your bed now sleep in it and do not let the door hit you in the butt leaving. Bill i hope you are not putting all your recruiting eggs in Hurts basket because that is probably not going to happen thanks to your FBI buddies which maybe another reason Grimes is leaving.

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Explain how KJ was better. What position could KJ guard effectively?

Shannon Gustafson 2 months, 1 week ago

While KJ was from from a complete player, advanced stats indicate he was the 5th best player on the team while Grimes was the worst starter in the entire Big12. Neither one of them were good defensively (though Grimes did ramp up his defense significantly at the end of the year) but KJ was a MUCH better rebounder, was a similar shooter from distance (that may have been better statistically from 3 if he got more consistent minutes to get into a rhythm), and was better in the midrange and finishing around the basket.

Dane Pratt 2 months, 2 weeks ago

The NBA and players union are discussing the elimination of the OAD rule. I'll be glad when they get rid of it.

Chad Smith 2 months, 2 weeks ago

If he does stay in the draft, then harlond beverley, rj hampton, Cassius Stanley or even Tristan enaruna are ready to take his spot. People keep focusing on what were losing rather than what we could gain in the next couple weeks. 4-5 star recruits that will actually make an impact, unlike Grimes.

Bryce Landon 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Good luck, Quentin, you're going to need it.

Seriously, he didn't show that he was fully capable of competing at the college level. What makes him think he's ready for the pros? What mock draft board shows that any NBA team has any interest in him?

As for KU, well, the hits just keep on coming, don't they?

Dennis Strick 2 months, 2 weeks ago

And then there was one. Brett M. Sometimes you are too harsh in your analysis, but in this case you are spot on. Only Dok remains and no way he is staying. His decision will trickle out Fri or Monday. HCBS has a lot of off season soul searching to do. Time to end the OAD derangement syndrome.

Layne Pierce 2 months, 2 weeks ago

it might actually be that his contract to start at KU ran out and next year he knows someone could put his butt on the bench. Mr. McBride, come on down!!!

I think Q got caught in his own mind game, and he thought it was all gonna be easy. Coach Self saw what he could do,(which he rarely did) and he thought he could just find it somewhere during the season.

Fact is Josh Jackson,was the only one and done, who played like a beast, and like a man. He gave up his body, he got on the floor he outreboundedn 7 footers.

Why can't they all be like that?

RCJH

Bill Lamson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Completely agree! JJ was no doubt a true impact player, consistently. But I can't think of anyone else that was worth the time and effort. The failure rate of OAD's is huge..and as someone else said...pure fools gold.

Creg Bohrer 2 months, 2 weeks ago

It doesn't make any sense maybe he's got some information we don't know about on the Adidas investigation because there's no way anyone is telling him he's ready. It would make more sense if he was at least projected a 2nd rounder. Not sure he'll even get invited to the combine.

Brad Avery 2 months, 2 weeks ago

"But the combo guard who shot 34 percent from 3-point range and 38.4 percent from the floor in 988 minutes at Kansas said his ability to grind through a tough 2018-19 season has him confident that he can do anything in the future." There is a difference between confidence and delusion. I am afraid Mr. Grimes's decision falls in the category of the latter. I hope he will return to KU to fix his game.

Phil Leister 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I said it above and I'll say it again.... People get up in arms when Bill "can't recruit". We piss and moan when we lose the blue chip recruit to UK or Duke. But then you people are saying we shouldn't recruit these kids? Have you forgotten how up in arms you get when we sign a top 100 guy instead of a top 5 guy? Sometimes the top 100 guy pans out much better than the top 5 guy.

It's really hard to predict how a 17 year old kid's game is going to stack up against the competition in college. Clearly Quentin should have been ranked somewhere in the top 100, not top 10. Guys like him are told they'll be one-and-done from the time he's a freshman in high school, and no dose of reality 4 years later is going to change that.

Good luck Quentin. Ochai will come visit you in your G-League gym in a couple years when he's in the NBA.

Chad Smith 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I agree in the sense that people are unhappy with how we recruit. But we have had good OAD players. Josh Jackson stands out because he was most recent. But Joel Embiid before he got injured was the most dominant and influential player in the nation for a 20 game stretch. Ben Mclemore had a good season at Kansas and if not for Trey Burke's heroics, probably would have helped KU to a final four. Josh Selby and Xavier Henry were on the other side of that. But we shouldn't start pushing 5 star recruits away if they wanna play here.

Danny Hernandez 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I don't know if I'd include Xavier Henry in that group. Could he have benefited from a second year? Maybe but his lone year was pretty good.

Richard Wright 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Wonder how much of the turnover and lack of committed recruits are worried about NCAA sanctions. I understand KJ frustrations...now gets to play with little brother and cousin at Memphis (likely).

Regarding early entrants to NBA...see Nick Saban's recent comments about players declaring for NFL. He has very good points about $$$ given up by declaring early. Also commented about "life after NFL". This was very similar to Danny Manning's comments in interview during ACC tournament games. He was very strong about "life after college" and how his major goal was to prepare his players for this event.

Glen Miller 2 months, 2 weeks ago

He's no dummy.... he knows if he comes back and lays an egg again next year then he definitely won't play in the NBA. Better to go now and not have 2 years of crap game tape for evaluation. To me he seems like a headcase and that doesn't translate well to the NBA. I wish him the best and I hope he proves us all wrong and I'm eating crow soon.

David McNickle 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Explain to me how he's that much different from Selden. I think coach might have set expectations a little high before the season. Just because he's testing the waters doesn't mean he can't come back. With the way recruiting is going so far, why would you not want him back?

Glen Miller 2 months, 2 weeks ago

He's not much different from Selden..... that's the problem. He seems like a good kid and a good teammate, if he wants to come back I have no problem with that. I just don't think he will.

Kurt Eskilson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Are we talking about Wayne Selden of the Chicago Bulls, or Josh Selby of the Incheon Elephants of the Korean Basketball League?

Tim Ashe 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Let's just hope if he doesn't get drafted, he will transfer elsewhere before coming back. Complete waste of time, efforts, etc. I would put Q right up there with Josh Selby as biggest bust's of Self's Kansas career.

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

You would prefer that a kid who might get drafted, is a solid defender, has a year in the KU system and shot a higher % from 3 than Svi, Selden or Mason as a frosh plays at another school?

If anyone wonders what true Chicken Little stupidity looks like, that's it.

Tim Ashe 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk Position: Guard 6-8, 195lb (203cm, 88kg) Hometown: Cherkasy, Ukraine High School: Cherkasy First City Gymnasia RSCI Top 100: 95 (2014) SUMMARY

Career

G 136

PTS 8.7

TRB 2.5

AST 1.5

FG% 42.8

FG3% 40.9

FT% 74.6

eFG% 54.8

PER 14.9

WS 9.6

School: Kansas

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Quentin Grimes Position: Guard

6-5, 210lb (196cm, 95kg)

Hometown: The Woodlands, TX

High School: College Park HS

RSCI Top 100: 8 (2018)

School: Kansas

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SUMMARY 2018-19

Career

G 36

36

PTS 8.4

8.4

TRB 2.5

2.5

AST 2.0

2.0

FG% 38.4

38.4

FG3% 34.0

34.0

FT% 60.3

60.3

eFG% 48.2

48.2

PER 8.7

8.7

WS 1.4

1.4

whose the dumb sh*t now, chicken little? Check your facts before you start spewing stupidity out of your mouth, douche!

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I can differentiate between the terms "frosh" and "career". That makes one of us. Did you do that to prove you were stupid? It worked.

Tim Ashe 2 months, 2 weeks ago

who cares about "frosh" year. Svi, Mason and Seldon were leaps and bounds above Q as a FRESHMAN. Keep trying keyboard warrior.

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Might want to check Selden and Svi's numbers. Determined to prove you're stupid? You're doing awesome.

Bill Lamson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Tim you really need to check your facts first...Mason and Svi played 16 and 11 min/game as a frosh, Q played 27; Mason shot better 42% vs 38 for Q but Svi was lower at 30% and Q averaged more points than both...8.4 vs 5.5 and 2.8. So no...neither Svi nor Mason were 'leaps and bounds' above Q...not even close. And not to point out the obvious, but I'm guessing that the reason Jay mentioned their freshman year is that's the only year you have to compare with Q!

Glen Miller 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Svi was 16 years old when he was a freshman and still growing into his body and never boasted the athletic ability that Q has. Mason was never known to be a "shooter" prior to coming here and he was a point guard. Comparing him to either of them is just laughable. As for the solid defender comment, I remember seeing him get blown by more than anything. Maybe you have a little bit of Chicken Little in you as well with ridiculous comparisons like you just laid down.

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Glen, thanks for acknowledging my point. Of course it was accurate. Nobody said they were identical players. I noticed that you left Selden out. He's the closest in game, position and stats. You'd prefer that Selden go to a different school after his frosh season?

Glen Miller 2 months, 2 weeks ago

If Selden would have went elsewhere, as a person and teammate I wouldn't have liked it because he represented our school well and he was a great kid from what I could tell. As a player..... not sure it would have been a big time loss. And I was one of the ones who always did and still do appreciate that he was here. Selden is a true Jayhawk.

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

6 months ago everyone who knows anything about hoops agreed that this kid was a rare talent. Against Michigan State he showed why. Then he struggled with offensive consistency. By the end of the season he was a top shelf defender.

With all the various options at his disposal for pre draft camps and evaluations, he'd be nuts not to test the waters. He can still come back to Kansas.

Frankly, if he isn't smart enough to do what he's doing, I'd be disappointed. The Chicken Littles that are spewing hate and nonsense are the stupid ones.

David McNickle 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I don't get those saying they hope he doesn't come back.

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Many of the people that comment here are just plain stupid.

Jeff Kallmeyer 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I believe Q feels Self's style of play didn't fit his game. However, Q just wasn't quick enough to adapt to the college-level game. He also played too soft, perhaps to not get injured before the NBA draft (aka A. Wiggins).

Ed Noyes 2 months, 2 weeks ago

He might have been a really productive player in 3 years. This entire exercise is laughable. In Re to HCBS, "non manager EVER got paid TOO much money".

Layne Pierce 2 months, 2 weeks ago

To say that he was a bust is just not fair. He was not a 5Star performer, if he was a 4Star, we would have said, ok first year,look out next year. He has all the skills, and great size, he just did not put it all together. I wonder if playing with Dotson was a little bit of the problem, because he needs to have the ball more in his hands? It sounded like for the US team that Self coached his role was more as a point. After that you know coach had to be salivating, then he goes flat with us. Our season came down basically to 4 games that we lost and a more determined, more confident Grimes could have made the difference in all those games.

Dissapointed,I am,because that confidence has to remain shaken, and he has set himself up for failure. Hope I am wrong.

RCJH

Barry Weiss 2 months, 2 weeks ago

This one still makes no sense to me. The only way it makes sense is if Q was so shook by his first year that he is worried next year would not be any better, then he has to make the move now while his stock is still up there. Another average year and all of the high school lotto pick hype would be washed away. So even though some of it has been washed away, not all of it has so he has to make his move now, fearing he might have another average year. As with all Jayhawks, I wish him well and much success.

Chris Kovac 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Unfortunately, Dok is next. Next year will be a great test for HCBS and the rest of the staff.

Brian Wilson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Probably....and I may be wrong about this....but I don't think Dok has the option to test the NBA waters this year. I think each player is only allowed to do that once. After that I think the player has to just make the decision to go. So if Dok decides to announce he is going to the NBA then he is gone....with no opportunity to return. So Dok is going to be very careful about making this decision.

RJ King 2 months, 2 weeks ago

from Jan. 2016: "Players will be allowed to enter the draft multiple times and participate in the combine and one NBA team tryout per year. They also will be allowed up to 10 days to withdraw from the draft after the combine."

Lance Iamnot 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Dok may or may not be next announcement, but he will not be in a KU uniform next season. DeSousa, then Dok will be the announcements in that order is my bet.

David Howell 2 months, 2 weeks ago

NBA teams will have to watch Grimes high school / AAU game tapes if they want to see him with quality minutes. Not much from last year would lead any team into drafting him.

Short of going to Europe, he will be BACK. Let's hope he has a chip on his shoulder and works on improving his shooting, dribbling and defense. Otherwise he could be playing from the bench which would really humble him ............

Bill Lamson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

This should be all the proof Self, or anyone, needs to stop recruiting OAD's:
Virginia's top 8 players: 1 RS senior, 1 RS junior, 3 juniors, 2 RS sophomores and 1 freshman. TX Tech's; 4 seniors, 3 sophomores, 1 freshman.
Shall I continue....Auburn; 3 seniors, 4 juniors, 1 sophomore Mich St.; 1 RS senior, 1 senior, 4 juniors, 1 sophomore and 1 freshman. And for the cherry on top...the team with the undisputed best player in the country didn't even make it to the final four!!!! And let's be honest...they were VERY lucky to make past the 2nd round..they should have lost to both UCF and VT. Those games shouldn't have even been close if you've got such an amazing team stocked with future NBA draft picks. OAD's do NOT translate to post season success!

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Will teams that won championships WITH players that were OAD be less of champions?

Bill Lamson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Not at all, I'm just pointing out that the teams making it to the final four this year were loaded with upperclassmen, not OAD's. Experience is more likely to translate to post season success than loading up on OAD's....see Duke and let's not forget about Kentucky....with all of their top picks and OAD's, they haven't made it to the final four since 2015. How's that working out for coach Cal.

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

It's a tough call. There have been OAD players that were game changers. It's hard to know which ones will and won't, just like 3 and 4 star players.

For every potential OAD that crashes there's an expected 4 year 4 star player who does likewise.

It's all a crap shoot. They're kids.

The reality is that the Chicken Littles while whine and cry either way. If they had some crystal ball that could predict who the next 3 and 4 star superstars were they wouldn't be posting here.

Suzi Marshall 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I'm very happy Q will be going to the NBA Combine to get feedback. If he lights it up over the evaluation period, great for him, we should all be happy. If he is told he's not going to be drafted and if he sharpened certain skill sets he could be a first rounder, possibly lottery pick, I hope he returns. Q comes from a great family and is a great young man. I'm more than sure he would have a big year at KU should he return. Good luck Q.

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

As always, rational thoughts from Suzi.

Tony Bandle 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Suzi would you PLEASE STOP interjecting rational thought, kindness, positivity and a "can do, glass half full" attitude! You are ruining this site!!!!! [Sarcasm font on Warp 10].

Lance Iamnot 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Suzi, wake up and smell the reality...Grimes is gone, and he is never coming back. Let's all move on.

Ken Stclair 2 months, 2 weeks ago

He's doing what he feels is best......As would would anyone. Give him break. I hope he does return if this does not look promising.

Tony Bandle 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Random Thoughts:

1] In all seriousness, I hope Quentin follows his dream and succeeds because his success would be shared with Kansas.

2] Unlike many of you, for some reason, I am convinced the sky is not falling and next season will be exciting. I have no facts to base this on but I, for one, am looking forward to next season.

3] Great lies of the 20th and 21st century: A] I bought Playboy Magazine to read the articles, B] I reported every cent of my earnings on my tax return, C] The NCAA is committed to put everything within their power to insure the welfare of the student athlete first!!

4] Q., Dok, K.J., Vick, Dedric, Silvio, Chas, how many schools could lose a starting line up that many would kill for and still be picked in the Top 20 for the next season??!!

5] Damn..I had a really inspiring thought for this one..and now all I can think of is what's for lunch! :-/

Ken Stclair 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Always sound comments and a voice of reason. Well done Tony Bandle.......PS-I know I have asked this before but I'm still curious......Any idea of what ever happened to Jaybate?? I miss his musings and rants!

Brian Wilson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

  1. I agree I hope Q succeeds.
  2. I don't think anyone feels the sky is falling. I just think after many years of Self recruiting OAD's Self has pretty much proven that it doesn't work and that we need to change the strategy.
  3. The NCAA is messed up and much like DC doesn't have the will to change a thing.
  4. KU would love to have a lineup like what you mention if they all played!!!! With Dok being hurt, Silvio being suspended, Vick spazzing and quiting, all while your coach refuses to play a better player (KJ) in place of a lackluster 5 star Q.....as far as I am concerned I only hope Duke, UK, and NC, all kill to have the same issues!!!
  5. How about an "Italian" from Yellow Sub!

Tony Bandle 2 months, 2 weeks ago

When I was at KU, the only Yellow Sub was a song by the Beatles!!!

Robert Robinson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

The comment sections on those site will be full of "who was that kid that tired to go to the NBA and ended up a highschool basketball coach? His name started with a Q or something" in a couple years

Dennis Strick 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Let's Take a vote among all of the people who post here. Who wants to throw "Story TIme" Jay Scott off of Blogger Island? Please raise your hand. Meeeeeeeeee! Chicken Little that is the best you can bring to the page? You are totally worthless and weak! There is no doubt that "Q" can play basketball. He was the U-18 FIBA Americas Championships MVP last summer coached by Bill Self. Something happened after the Michigan State game that took the desire out of him. Maybe he hated school and was no good at it, maybe somebody bullied him, maybe he is a snowflake. Maybe he is homesick for Houston. With a mother who graduated from KU it makes no sense that he didn't fully understand what he was getting in to at KU. Matt Tait will get to the bottom of all of this before boot camp starts in the Fall. For now, those of you, like two first names Jay Scott, thinks any of the top 20 OAD's still waiting to name their school are coming to KU next year you need to put the crack pipes down and get a real job. Word is out, KU is not a good fit for some reason for OAD's and I have faith that HCBS is done with the experiment. By the way that first glance poll was done during the first week of the tourney and it is filled out by people who are putting no time into it and no breaking news research. We are on the list by blue blood reputation alone, nothing more.

Jay Scott 2 months, 2 weeks ago

How does your unique little mind connect any one person to recruiting predictions? A new level of deranged drivel... Is your reference to crack a clue? Is that why your comments are so ridiculous? Addiction problems?

I'm sorry that pointing out the consistent stupidity of your comments makes you so upset.

No doubt many of your brethren who also post absurdity feel the same way.

As a public service I'll offer a solution easy enough for even your ilk. If you and the other Chicken Littles stop posting utter nonsense, I'll not point out how stupid your comments are.

Deal? No need to thank me for this kindness. I'm just that caring.

Brian Skelly 2 months, 1 week ago

If people don't think these decisions are being hastened by the addidas/FBI situation is high.    People see the writing on the wall with probation.

Drew Doerfler 2 months, 1 week ago

i'm starting to think the same thing. this is a mass jumping off of a sinking ship feel. 3 New predictions for cassius stanley just came out for Duke....Precious for Connecticut. Things definitely are not looking great right now for the program....next year could be really bad.....hopefully not, but it doesn't look good right now

Andy Godwin 2 months, 1 week ago

As posted before, I think Jeff Long and the athletic department are aware of challenges (hopefully short-term) ahead for the basketball program. When they offered WEF members a two-year loyalty lock for men's basketball ticket prices in March (three years for football earlier in the year), you knew something was up. Long is well aware of Self's efforts and they typically know more about who is staying and who is going and how recruiting is proceeding than they share (and can share) with the public.

"It gives me great pleasure to share with you the news that we are offering locked-in prices for men’s basketball season tickets for the next two seasons." Jeff Long March 11th, 2019.

Last season the level that WEF donors need to pay in order to maintain their seats went up with the speculation of a great season ahead (pre-season #1 ranking, etc.). Now the WEF folks are trying to keep donors engaged when the results on the court this past season were atypical under Self and the projection for next year still uncertain. I have to admit this past team (as a whole) was not as exciting to watch after injuries, suspensions, and departures, as some of Self's past teams. With the resurgence of TTU under Beard (who is likely being targeted by big-time programs), Self will likely have a bit more competition if he wants to maintain his dominance of the Big 12.

Drew Doerfler 2 months, 1 week ago

ok,now make it 6 for Stanely to Duke, and 2 for Beverly to Georgia.....Self will be scraping the bottom of the barrel with a lot of low ranked recruits (6) just to fill the team up next year unless he pulls out another late miracle.....but he can't do that because he would be wasting scholarships for 4 years on desperation gets...maybe 2 highly ranked juniors will reclassify? you would think that he would have seen all of this coming a lot earlier and had some 20 to 100 ranked recruits already signed....our 2 rsigned players per 247 are in the 200's and if you look at who else was recruiting them, it's not very impressive. I get it that you can find some diamonds in the rough like Mason and Graham who i believe were around 100 or under, but something is not right with the program right now

Andy Godwin 2 months, 1 week ago

In regards to Grimes, even though his one season under Self was not as great as everyone had hoped based on his rankings out of high school (and yes I complained at times about his lack of defensive awareness), you have to wish the young man and his family future success. For many talented athletes, the goal is to make a living playing a sport that they love. Unfortunately, most do not achieve that goal (there is a reason I went into science and did not try to make a living playing baseball). We on the outside don't really understand a player's family dynamics and need to help support their loved ones while trying to achieve their goals of playing in the NBA. Yes, it would appear that Grimes like many others who aspire to play in the NBA might benefit from another season or two in college to hone their game. But at the same time, Grimes can now focus 24/7 on basketball, hirer a trainer, get help from others who make a living getting a player ready for the draft and the next level. I am all in favor of getting the NBA to expand their farm system to accommodate athletes who don't want to be students in college and who are just buying their time until they are old enough to enter the draft. Many if not most young athletes out of high school who presumably in the future will go directly to the G-league route will ultimately flame out and have little more than a couple of years of money from playing professional ball. People on the outside can say it is in the best interest of the athlete to go to college and get a degree so they have something after basketball. And yes many will get bad advice from family, friends, agents, etc., the latter looking to make a quick buck and then move on to the next great high school basketball player. In the end, it is the player and his family's decision. We need to embrace the term a "student/athlete" and not an "athlete/student". Good luck to Mr. Grimes.

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