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Saturday, September 29, 2018

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Tom Keegan: Carter Stanley should remain the team’s starting QB

Kansas quarterback Carter Stanley is sacked by Oklahoma State on Saturday, Sept. 29, 2018.

Kansas quarterback Carter Stanley is sacked by Oklahoma State on Saturday, Sept. 29, 2018.

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David Beaty wasn’t the first football coach to say he needed to look at the film before evaluating a player’s performance. And if the fourth-year leader of Kansas’ program lets the minutia of the Oklahoma State game film outweigh the big picture that unfolded on the field, he won’t be the first to do that either.

But if Beaty does nitpick until he sees enough to justify basing his decisions on which quarterback to start on how each one matches up against the next opponent, he would be making a mistake.

Even in a 20-point loss Saturday, Carter Stanley did enough to expect to start each of the remaining seven weeks on the schedule, barring injury. Notice I didn’t say barring injury or illness, just barring injury. Stanley proved Saturday that illness isn’t enough to scratch him from a start. On Friday, he caught a bug that’s been making the rounds on the team, and on Saturday morning, he said, he threw up. His performance was far cleaner than that image.

Stanley completed 24 of 32 passes for 247 yards and three touchdowns without throwing an interception. It wasn’t enough at any point during the day for an upset to seem like a realistic possibility in a game Oklahoma State won at David Booth Kansas Memorial Stadium, 48-28, but it was enough to settle the score as to the team’s best option at quarterback.

Beaty wasn’t ready to say that just yet, though, during his postgame media session.

“What we'll do is we'll go back and look at the tape,” Beaty said. “It's hard for me to make that assumption without looking at the video.”

As usually seems to be the case when Stanley plays, the offense had a little more vigor to it.

He’s a gamer, and the other players on field look as if they feed off of that. The blowouts don’t seem to come as easily, and the numbers against Big 12 competition back that up. (Stanley has a 58.3 completion percentage in Big 12 games, averages 6.1 yards per attempt, and has thrown 10 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. Bender has a 50.7 completion percentage, 4.75 yards per attempt, four touchdowns and five interceptions.)

Back to Beaty at the podium discussing Stanley’s day.

“There are a lot of things that we saw that we liked,” Beaty said. “But honestly, it would be very premature for me to say that right now without looking at everything because sometimes, you'll look at something out there, and maybe we got away with something that you're like: ‘Oh, that's not really how it should go, and we got lucky.’ So we'll see.”

Stanley’s self-scout: “I was definitely happy to be out there, no doubt. It felt good. But me personally, I know just some simple stuff that may not seem like a big deal, I know I can be a lot better in certain situations.”

Beaty talked about how the “air reps” Stanley took as third-string quarterback while the practice reps went to Peyton Bender and Miles Kendrick for the six weeks leading up to the Baylor game made him ready for Saturday. (Miles Kendrick injured his shoulder vs. Baylor and was unavailable Saturday.)

It’s unusual for someone to go from the third string to being the only one to take a snap for an entire game, so naturally someone asked what led to that.

Oklahoma State leads the nation in sacks and Stanley has more mobility than Bender. That was a factor.

“They're an active front, and the match-up was not great if we weren't able to move,” Beaty said.

Besides, he tried to say, just because Stanley wasn’t getting real reps doesn’t mean he was third string.

“So I don't look at it like you do. No disrespect, but I don't look at it as one, two, and three,” Beaty said. “I know maybe that's semantics, but Carter’s skill set fit what we needed, and we trusted him because he's prepared well. And it wasn't anything against Peyton. He's prepared well too.”

Seeking clarification, a reporter wanted to know if every week the coaching staff will look at the matchup and see which quarterback fits the game plan best.

That’s when Beaty turned prickly and interrupted.

“You’re not going to bait me into that right now, brother,” Beaty said. “Listen, I have to look at the tape. I mean, we’re not talking about the quarterback, so no more questions about that. Let’s go to something else.”

The challenge among those he stared out at in Mrkonic Auditorium, of course, became to think of another quarterback question.

OK, so do you think Steven Sims (10 receptions for 89 yards and a touchdown, one run for 21 yards) being more involved than in previous weeks had anything to do with having better chemistry with Stanley?

No, the coach said, it might have had more to do with moving Sims from outside receiver to slot receiver.

I’d like to believe that nothing Beaty sees on video will dissuade him from reaching the conclusion that this team has one starting quarterback, but one haunting statement he made from the podium made it seem as if he prefers having three starting quarterbacks to having one.

“Hopefully, we'll get Miles back this next week, and we'll have a full room of competition,” he said.

Coaches review the tape to make sure they saw what they think they saw. I had to go back to the tape to make sure I heard what I thought I heard. I did. Not only that, he wasn’t joking.

Stanley completed 75 percent of his passes and at one point was 18 of 22. Ride that wave for the rest of the season.

If Beaty thinks doing so makes him look bad for making the best quarterback on the roster the third stringer for the first four weeks, there is an easy answer for that.

Something along the lines of, “We had hoped we would have great pass protection this season and with great pass protection we think Peyton can remind everyone that he once threw for 566 yards against East Mississippi Community College. Well, we’re not quite ready to create long-lasting pockets against Big 12 defensive lines, so Carter gives us the best chance, and he has stopped the QB room door from spinning. Carter will start the rest of the season. We still have a lot of things that need fixing on this team, so it’s nice to know who our quarterback will be while we’re shoring up other areas.”

That would have been a good answer, but it wasn’t anything close to the ones he gave.

Who knows? Maybe Beaty will watch the tape, settle on Stanley and announce he’s starting the rest of the season. Or maybe he’ll show that nothing really has changed during his four years on the job.

Comments

Austin Lopez 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Some guys are just gamers! Give him the keys and let him drive this team!

Jeff Coffman 2 months, 2 weeks ago

The better question is would we be a better team with Beaty not in the stadium? He can't pick a QB and when a player plays really well, rather to congratulate the player and give him kudos, he is ready to relegate him back to third string and gets "prickly" for someone even asking the question, when he has won as many games as Belichek or Saban have won in championships than maybe just maybe he can be a little bit of a jerk, but until then, don't treat your best chances to improve KU's recruiting by treating the media like your worse enemy.

5-36 is nearing a guarantee that he will end up with the worst winning percentage of any KU football coach. How he earned a contract extension is beyond me. How he has kept his job past year 3 is worse and the fact he is still our head coach is getting ridiculous.

It's time for Beaty to be let go, he costs us $125,000 per game he coaches and I'd just prefer to start the inevitable payout now, rather than pay him more and more for fewer and fewer people to show up at the games.

Brad Richardson 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Jeff, I totally agree. I noticed that Ryan Willis threw the ball for 332 yards tonight as Virginia Tech beat Duke. Beaty couldn't identify his talent either. It maddens me that we are soon going to send this Clown down the road with a $3 million dollar check in his back pocket.

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

When Willis was here there wasn't any personnel around him really. Every person knows that Kansas has a shortage of players now even, but not as bad as 2 seasons ago.

Jim Stauffer 2 months, 1 week ago

The roster around the QB does not validate or invalidate him. Willis was far and away the best talent. Why not recognize it and work with him to get the best results possible. There certainly was no better alternative. The people on here who say Beaty cannot select the proper guy to be QB are spot on. That has been his undoing. If Willis had been installed as our QB then, how do you think he would be now with that experience. If you want to know watch a VT game.

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

It's their opinion. You aren't there every day at practice, and you certainly aren't going to the games. So you really can't say for sure. You have an opinion, just admit it's an opinion. That's all it is. You're not the expert.

Len Shaffer 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Well said, Jeff. And to think, any one of us would be glad to coach the team for a mere $100,000 per game, and would do a hell of a lot better than Beaty has done ...

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

Len, then go apply for the job! Do it!

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

I guarantee Len would screw it up royally worse than it is now. I guarantee it!

Jayson Hawk 2 months, 1 week ago

Sure... I will guarantee you that if he took over today he/you/or I could win exactly as many games as Beaty will the rest of the season. ZERO.

Chris Condren 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Does anyone think any of the sparse crowd of 18,364 people attending the game care which quarterback Beaty will start. With the patchwork OL in front of the QB no player can succeed. This coach, this staff and the entire KUAD have run the program into the ground.

Jeff Coffman 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Beaty has had 4 years to piece together and coach up a line and has not done it...how many Lineman does he have lined up for 2019 recruiting? Fact of the matter is, he can't recruit it and he can't coach it up.

Jim Stauffer 2 months, 1 week ago

Yes, Chris, they do care. We are looking for signs of improvement. Carter showed that. To essentially deny it, the Coach is simply digging in and resenting the media for exposing his poor choices in the beginning. Why can Meacham and Beaty look at this QB room and think Peyton Bender is the best option. The only reason is they base their opinion on how he looks when he cannot be hit. To those of us who do not see the practices the games tell the story. Stanley leads the team. Bender is the designated passer. Big difference.

Danny Hernandez 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Carter Stanley is our best shot at winning games this year

David Kemp 2 months, 1 week ago

He is not our best shot at winning, but he is our best shot at not being humiliated.

Clarence Haynes 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Willis did well against Duke. Cozart last year performed well for Boise St. is there a trend here? YEP!

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

Yes, those other teams have more scholarship players than we have. It would be dumb to fire Beatty right now. It would put us back at square one.

Jeff Coffman 2 months, 1 week ago

Nicholls State does not have more scholarship players and they went on the road and beat Beaty's team of 4 years of his recruits.

Jim Stauffer 2 months, 1 week ago

Mickey, with this guy at the helm we will always be at square one.

Jim Stauffer 2 months, 1 week ago

Spoken by one of Beaty's strongest supporters until this year. He has not learned a thing as a HC. I admit he was not qualified, but thought he would learn on the job and his character would be just what KU needed. Great character has not taught him anything as a HC. He makes poor decisions.

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

  1. Spell my name right. It's right there for you to look at. Second, that is your opinion. You wouldn't be able to do better with what is available right now. You can't say with any honesty that the team isn't better this year. You know that. Rational thought is a good thing. I'm not going to sit here and sit behind a keyboard and criticize without any objectivity. Make some suggestions as to what you would like to see besides, "Wins". Expectations a little too high at this point? I think so.

John Strayer 2 months, 1 week ago

OMG...here we go again...the solution to the revolving door at the KU head football coach office isn't to keep a bad coach. Seriously...what the heck has happened in the last 4 years that you think he can do the job? Come on...give me something...anything. I've seen nothing but bad choices from the man. And now he's getting "prickly" with the press??? Again...he may be the best guy in the world...but he's not a good head coach.

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

Try analyzing it instead of just engaging in group think.

Steven Haag 2 months, 2 weeks ago

If our quartbacks don’t seem to be maturing........then that’s on the QUARTERBACKS COACH. If our secondary has talent but getting burned, out of position, etc. that’s on the SECONDARY coach. Frankly, when Beaty gets released, which he will, the WHOLE coaching staff should as well. Normally new coaches bring their own staff with them. Hull will leave, so don’t get your hopes up. The Louisiana boot connection will no longer exist

Brett Hathaway 2 months, 2 weeks ago

WVU will put up in the 50's against us. Then a bye, then Tech. I'm pretty sure Tech will get close to the 50's. Can we match those numbers? At this point Stanley is our best bet. We still make too many "fixable" mistakes to have chances against ISU, KSU and Texas. I see us losing a heartbreaker against one of those three teams. Unfortunately

Layne Pierce 2 months, 2 weeks ago

People we have all spent so much time talking about qbs, there is no doubt Stanley really does give us the best chance to win. EOD.

But if we had Tom Brady, it would not matter, a football team is a TEAM. This coaching staff has not built a team. They have not maximized the talents of the players they have.

Anybody can win some games with 10 all americans, but real coaches, make the system work for the players they have, and they design to maximize their strengths and minimize their deficiencies. When have you seen this coach and this staff do that. We have an excellent group of running backs, we really do, but they have been underutilized. We have not designed our offense to their strengths, we have spent 4 years trying to force a passing offense on a team that just is not capable of it. We have been trying to be a race-horse, when we're just a good plow horse.

If you look you will see that the number of players who have been misused and underutilized is significant, even the Juco players were not recruited and utilized, they were simply brought here for a press release.

Read it and weep

RCJH

Sarah Reagan 2 months, 1 week ago

I fear that there are other positions where we could be misjudging who should truly be on the field, and that’s a result of the staff trying to plug various players into a system instead of assigning a system to the best players, just as you mention. For that reason, I support a mid season coaching change to hopefully bring a fresh review of those choices (I.e. Bowen with starting Michael Cummings).

Mike Tackett 2 months, 2 weeks ago

OK. Enough is enough. Beaty has to go. I thought the average KU fan was to harsh on him, given what CW left us. But his post game comments are the absolute end. To summarize his statement, 'just because we score a few points, I have to look at the film'. Question, what is a quarteback's job? To score. We can thank the previous Chancellor for costing KU Athletic's millions of dollars for the AD and HFC extensions. She was a total train wreck as well.

Sarah Reagan 2 months, 1 week ago

So true. This shines a light where many KU fans don’t want to go. Gray-Little was a political hire with connection, appointed as chancellor by a KS board of regents who were hand picked by Kathleen Sebelius. Her efforts were infrastructure expansion and student social programs which in theory are nice, but usually drain funds coming from student tuition and the tax payers of KS, without results or meaningful returns. Ultimately, that mindset tends to be outside of the bounds of any profitable business operation. Her AD hire Zenger was of the same mindset, and alike not bound to bottom line performance or competition, but lofty ideals. As we know Zenger coaching hires haven’t been in touch with that reality either. It all starts with the tone at the top in acedemia, as most important positions are buddy buddy hires by a bloated government system. And as we saw when BGL retired, she gave a golden parachute to Zenger who turned around and matched an extension to Beaty. Even more ironic, BGL was retained as a “consultant” earning another $510k annual salary.

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

I agree with that Sarah. She probably isn't a bad person in any way, but politics should not be included when making hiring decisions like this. Political ambitions often destroys people. It was not long before that the KU AD was listed as one of most influential people in the world in athletics, and he wasn't just that way at KU but at UCONN before that too. And he left KU with Turner Gill who wasn't ready for this level. So some of Mangino's recruits left, then Gill's recruits were either dismissed or left, then Weis's recruits either left or were dismissed, then they threw Beatty to the wolves and the wolves are commenting on here.

Len Shaffer 2 months, 1 week ago

Micky, it boggles the bind that you continue to defend Beaty. Can you truly not see the myriad problems that he has as a coach??? It's not just about talent (or lack thereof). It's about the inability to develop the talent that IS on the team. It's about the constant indecisiveness, it's about the total lack of creativity in play-calling, it's about the mismanagement of timeouts, I could go on and on. This is his FOURTH year! At some point you have to let go of the tired "the cupboard was bare when he started" argument.

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

This is his 4th year, and so many on here said he was going to need at least 5 years to dig out of the hole. You may not have been one, but there were many and I agree with that given where the program was when he took over. After four years with transfers and graduation, there still is a shortage of 20 plus scholarship players. It can't happen overnight. There is a limit as to how many players can be recruited each year at this level.

Thomas Green 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Beaty’s lack of ability in many ways is truly unbelievable! His lack of ability to recognize the obvious is maddening! Soon, this ridiculousness will be over and we can begin to actually move forward!

Brett McCabe 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Tom, I have to disagree with you and Benton in regards to your podcast comments this week. There are some important advantages to firing Beaty during the season.

You are right in saying that Long doesn't need to fire Beaty in order to prepare for hiring his replacement. Whenever the decision happens, Long will be well prepared and ready to move forward.

To me, it's more about the program, the fan base, donors, enthusiasm, etc. If you fire Beaty after the WVU game, you get the two-week period to get your team organized. You also put an end to the endless Beaty-bashing (all deserved) and start moving your fan base towards appreciation of the players. Wide-spread, continuing negativity towards your coach does, in fact, damage your program. And you need to get rid of the primary cause.

The flip-side, of course, is that the speculation immediately begins on the replacement. This does offer drawbacks, but I don't think they outweigh what you are doing to fan support, student support, donor support, etc. bye continuing the dead-man-walking tour for the rest of the season.

Dane Pratt 2 months, 1 week ago

How does that help the players? Does it give them a better chance at winning or does it satisfy the fans who can't wait to see him gone? And who would be the interim coach?

Doug Cramer 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Nobody can make excuses for Bowen on this one.

Beaty has had 4 seasons.

Clint Bowen has had many more seasons to get his crap together.

David Kemp 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Yes we do look slightly better but in spite of giving up no ints so far we still can’t close the gap. A team like this must start fast. You can’t be down by 20 points at half and possibly think you can win.

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

This is an objective comment, in my opinion. We have to start fast, and I don't mean scoring 35 in the first half, but just 20 in the first half instead of just 7. I don't know what it is. It is a combination of things, but mostly the lack of personnel in my opinion. We are better than we were last year. Adjustments were made at the half that did result in more competitive play against Baylor and OSU. Can't make any conclusions after just one game, OSU's secondary seemed suspect at times in the second half. Our guys were wide open and it is a lot easier to throw a ball to someone who is wide open. We aren't getting pressure on the QB that often from the defensive side and there are better running backs in the Big 12 than in the non-conference. Just keep sawin' wood. Everyone knew it was going to take awhile to get back to respectability, but now people are running out of patience and acting with emotion rather than thinking about how they would fare under these same conditions. It's kind of like rebuilding Greensburg, KS from nothing, and it's still only 20% of what it was before the tornado, largely because politics got involved. One other commenter mentioned this earlier about Gray-Little. Politics got involved with the firing of Mangino, IMO. Kids have to learn from their mistakes and understand what kind of opportunity they have with a full ride to a 4 year institution of higher learning.

David Kemp 2 months, 1 week ago

I think our talent level is better but our coaches are not getting what they have to out of our players. Just look at Willis and his performance last night. Wow. Use the tight end, slip pooka into pass game devise a defense that doesn’t lose receivers in the secondary. I think Beaty has had his chance and gone as far as his coaching can take this.

Steven Haag 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Brett, I will disagree with you on one point.....you say, “You also put an end to the endless Beaty bashing and start moving your fan base towards appreciation of the players.” THAT CAN BE DONE NOW. It could have been done over the last 4 weeks. That’s a CHOICE. To think that one has to keep bashing until said person is fired is not the right answer

David Kemp 2 months, 1 week ago

Although the crowds now 18k speak for themselves. There is so little confidence in Beaty no one is even bothering to show up. This is costing the university, the community and workers millions in revenues.

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

There are other programs where there are teams with bad records whose fans show up every game, loyalty is a big deal. It goes both ways, don't you think?

David Kemp 2 months, 1 week ago

Not after 9 years and no hope of improvement. This speaks only to confidence in Beaty. This program is worst in country over last 4 years in power 5 and 2 maybe remote possibility of 3 wins will not get the fans back.

Jayson Hawk 2 months, 1 week ago

Mickey.... You're Clueless. Im sorry. The other bad teams are not nearly as bad as we have been over the last 10 seasons. Since 09 Of 120 teams 119 have gone to a bowl game. Guess who the lone team not to go is? Yup, KU. so the "Bad teams have fans who are loyal... blah blah blah" bleeding heart crap, you can save it. We have been MORE LOYAL than most programs can imagine. Almost to a fault. This guy needs to go just to so the administration shows they still care because the fans clearly dont and every day you wait more loyal fans feel betrayed, lied to and left behind.

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

Spell my name right dammit! It's right there for you to see it! Otherwise, don't comment to me and tell me I'm clueless! Got it? Ok. You have an opinion. That's all it is. Do I think you have a right to that opinion? Yes I do, but anyone else has a right to be skeptical of what you're saying given you're not at practices every day, and I bet you wouldn't even give them one day to see what they're doing at practice from the Anderson complex. If you're going to pile on after a loss and say it's "Beaty's fault", I have news for you. The players aren't perfect either. I see people saying that Pooka needs to be integrated into the passing game. He caught more passes than all but 1 wide receiver on Saturday. He only had 13 carries, albeit one big run for a TD. KU had 64 offensive plays to OSU's 66 offensive plays. We don't have the kind of size that OSU has at Tightend or WR. Not across the board, and Justice Hill is the best running back KU will face this year. A couple of years ago people were complaining that we only had 40 offensive plays and our opponents had 80 to 90, but this amount of improvement, given the circumstances isn't, "good enough". Losing by 20 instead of by 50 isn't good enough improvement... that's silly given where this program was at when Beaty took it over. You wouldn't do any better, I kind of think that even the best coaches wouldn't do much better at this level of competition.

Jayson Hawk 2 months, 1 week ago

Ok MICKEY, maybe you should spell your name right! This inst piling on after a loss its piling on after almost 40 losses!!! This coach has ZERO clue, kind of like the people trying to defend him. Anyway, yes you're right our players clearly are not perfect. "We dont have size" blah blah blabh.... Maybe just maybe after 4 years they should have either recruited better players, or actually coached and improved the players they have. How about build a system around the players they have instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. If we dont have the players its HIS FAULT!! ITS YEAR 4!!!!! Could i do better? Probably not. But then again im not being paid millions of dollars. i will tell you this, I couldn't do any worse. getting blow out by 20 instead of 50 is improvement to you? (Btw, thats a home vs away comparison, just wait till next week) OSU could have scored when ever they wanted if they were not on cruise control. I swear we could run a 4-3 cover 2 man every play and our defense wouldn't be any worse. This is so pitiful we even lost to a FCS team at home!!! What dont you get?

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

You idiot. My name is spelled M-I-C-K-Y you idiot! You don't get to dictate what my birth certificate says, so have a nice life you idiot. SPELL IT RIGHT OR SHUT UP!

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

K-State lost to one at home too. Michigan lost to one at home too. We aren't the only ones. Michigan lost at home a few years back to an FCS team! So... what are you really trying to say? You're butthurt because they haven't rebuilt it yet? You know, you're not a player or a coach. It's a lot harder on them than it is you.

Andy Tweedy 2 months, 1 week ago

He should have been the starter from day 1! I can't imagine how butt hurt he was when Kendrick got all those reps. We've got one decent win in the last 3 years and this dude was the QB, I'll never understood why he didn't get the nod.

Andy Tweedy 2 months, 1 week ago

Oh, on a different topic, can we just not let Bowen even talk to the defense until sometime mid-second quarter? He might make good adjustments, but we got curb stomped in the first quarter every week it seems.

Jeff Coffman 2 months, 1 week ago

You mean the adjustment of a touchdown pass, that was called back by a weak penalty, followed by basically the same long touchdown pass just 10 yards back...really good adjustment by Bowen. I believe that Bowen gets so far down, the teams we play go basic and he can defend against those. Early in games, there is no chance, every first possession heads for a TD that is basically what has been the Bowen mantra now for 5 years...you can't measure adjustments when you are down by 20.

David Kemp 2 months, 1 week ago

It certainly wasn’t helped by an offense that had 113 yards in first half and scored only 7 points

Jeff Coffman 2 months, 1 week ago

My favorite is hearing how the offense is why the defense is so poor.

First three times OSU had possession of the ball, the result was the same. On the flip side, KU had a drive that ended up with a miss field goal, a touchdown, and yes the dreaded three and out. The defense did horrible those three possessions and it had absolutely nothing to do with the offense. The KU offense basically had two drives that usually would end up scoring, meanwhile the defense did nothing but give up touchdowns.

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

You see, he didn't say anything about it being the offense's fault that the defense gave up scores on the first 3 OSU possessions. What he said is that it doesn't help the team when the offense scores only 7 points and get's a total of 113 yards in offense in a half. But remember what you said, it wasn't Bender who started, it's the guy you wanted that started the game. Remember that!

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

All those calling for Beatty to be fired now, where were you when we played Rutgers and CMU, teams you didn't think we would beat. Quite simply immature guys. If you're going to do it, then you do it regardless who we play, or I don't believe you believe in what you're saying.

Sarah Reagan 2 months, 1 week ago

Respectfully, I’ll share my side since I called for mid season firing in a post above. In my mind it’s simple W/L results. When Beaty starts winning, I’m stepping back from commentary to evaluate whether it looks like long term improvement. If it does look like long term improvement I want him to stay and coach through the season. However, the look of any long term improvement looks stiffled to me in the past few games, especially in coaching decisions. For example, the starting player choices (Stanley vs. Bender), player positioning (Sims in slot), player utilization via play call (more triple option with RBs), discipline (oline penalties), and most of all game management (timeouts, mid game adjustments) show that we’re still getting in our own way in year 4. This is not improvement and can possibly be refreshed with a new mindset in charge. IMO, I believe Bowen showed he had better management back in 2014 so why not make him interim and see what happens, as the same results we’ve seen under Beaty time after time will not allow us to win in most cases. This is opinion, and hopefully shows you another thought process alternative in calling for his firing.

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

There are reasons why I don't think W/L is the measurement we should be using yet. We just don't have the personnel, and if W/L is the measurement most want to use, it wasn't part of the conversation on here after the Rutgers win. They aren't very good, I get that. Oklahoma State is pretty good and Baylor obviously has a lot more talent than Rutgers. What I'm saying is, losing to Oklahoma State or even Baylor on the road by scores of 26-7 and 48-28 aren't two losses that we should really just throw out the white flag. Both games, KU played much better in the 2nd half and to me that is a baby step to getting better, even with the lack of personnel, not just talent, but just number of scholarship players on this team.

Jeff Coffman 2 months, 1 week ago

Nicholls State only had 63 scholarship players and went on the road and beat KU, what measurement do you want to use? A coach that has 85 scholarships and can't recruit to fill them, a coach that has yet to recruit a center and has had to string together some tackles to maybe make it work, or maybe the guy that can recruit a QB to run his offense? Last year Beaty set the Bar at 6 wins, why would you lower Beaty's standards? OSU, Baylor, and KSU are likely the three worse teams in the Big XII this year and we got smoked by two already. Improvement hasn't happened under Beaty. Keep in mind that in both games the game was out of hand, and the teams switched to a vanilla offense of heavy runs. Everytime OSU wanted to score they just held the blocks for a split second longer and heaved it over our Safety. But don't worry Beaty says plays over 20 yards are correctible...just been wondering when he will correct it...he's had 3.5 years.

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

Coffman, there were plays over 20 yards, and OSU has had plays over 20 yards against other teams better than we are too. Neither time did the game get out of hand compared to when Oklahoma State scored 56 in the first half against us just a couple of seasons ago or when Baylor was ahead by 28 after a quarter just a few season ago. Hell, Baylor didn't even score 26 for the game. Yes, I was angry about the big pass plays early and no, OSU didn't start running the ball ernestly until late in the game after KU got to within 13.

Jayson Hawk 2 months, 1 week ago

Next home game October 27 vs TCU. I predict that Late Night will have out sold that game. Unless Beaty is gone and even then its cutting it close.

Micky Baker 2 months, 1 week ago

With the band wagon fans at KU... only if they win, but if they lose, they get nothing from you. They don't need fans like you. They need loyal fans.

Jayson Hawk 2 months, 1 week ago

Like me? excuse me you moron, but I have been to EVERY game this year, you dim turd. How can you blame anyone for not wanting to watch that trash? There are literally hundreds of better things people can do on their Saturday off than waste it watching David Beaty fumble around gettin illegal substitutions penalties on the second play of the game.

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