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Monday, January 8, 2018

Self says KU ‘pushing buttons’ but still awaiting word on De Sousa, Preston

Kansas head coach Bill Self reacts after the Jayhawks were called for a foul during the second half, Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2017 at Sprint Center.

Kansas head coach Bill Self reacts after the Jayhawks were called for a foul during the second half, Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2017 at Sprint Center.

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Monday marked another day in the ongoing saga that is the quest for the Kansas basketball program to gain information about the status of withheld Kansas freshmen Silvio De Sousa and Billy Preston.

And the Jayhawks have heard nothing concrete for the NCAA about either case.

Kansas coach Bill Self, who told the Journal-World on Sunday night that he expected to know more by Monday afternoon, said at a regularly scheduled meeting with the media before Monday’s practice that he had received no news in either case, “as of lunch today.”

“But I am confident that we’ll have some news soon,” said Self, repeating a popular line from recent weeks. “I’m not saying today positively, but I think we’ll have a better idea of where everything is today.”

As for whether he had any kind of feel for which way either case might be leaning, Self sounded supremely confident about De Sousa’s prospects and not quite there on Preston.

“I think it could play out very favorably for Silvio,” he said. “And, with Billy, I know how we feel as a university but we haven’t been given any more information from anyone else to confirm that feeling.”

Asked if it would do no good to try to lean on the powers that be at the NCAA for some kind of answers, good or bad, Self explained that KU officials had done just that.

“We’re pushing buttons,” Self said. “Our people have done a lot and have been about as aggressive as can be without literally upsetting everyone in Indianapolis. I think our people have been good. On Billy’s situation, I think it’s just a little bit more complicated than your normal things, but you still have to give a decision. So we’re expecting it soon.”

If and when the Kansas basketball program does, in fact, learn of some kind of resolution on the future status of De Sousa and/or Preston — good news or bad — it would mark the end of a long and drawn-out waiting period that dates back weeks and has left the players, KU’s coaching staff and, of course, the KU fan base experiencing varying levels of frustration.

Preston’s situation dates back to the night of KU’s second game of the season, when he learned, just a few hours before tip-off against Kentucky in the Champions Classic in Chicago, that he would be held out of the game while the university looked into details of a vehicle he was driving during a single-car, non-injury accident a few days earlier.

Self said that night after the win over the Wildcats that KU officials had “spent all day trying to figure out if there was a way we could get it done where he could play” against Kentucky, adding, “I am confident it'll get cleared up. But I don't know the time frame and they haven't clued me in.”

That obviously did not happen and Preston has not played in any of KU’s 13 games in the nearly eight weeks since.

Almost no one could have foreseen that type of delay when the issue first surfaced.

As for De Sousa, his case actually has been in limbo a few days longer, though many of the steps needed to reach the point of awaiting NCAA approval were up to him.

After graduating from IMG Academy and receiving a qualifying score on his final ACT attempt, De Sousa was cleared to join the Jayhawks in time for the second semester in late December.

The 6-foot-9, 245-pound Angola native now is simply waiting for the NCAA to certify his amateur status, something Self said has taken a little more time because De Sousa is from a foreign country.

Even still, waiting for that issue to be addressed is now nearing the end of its second full week of waiting.

Kansas is set to face Iowa State at 8 p.m. Tuesday at Allen Fieldhouse and, at this point, it looks as if De Sousa and Preston will remain in warm-up gear instead of their KU uniforms.

Comments

Danny Hernandez 3 months, 2 weeks ago

I'm sure our opponents are quite happy knowing they're playing a depleted Kansas team, really has to play into their game plan.

Craig Carson 3 months, 2 weeks ago

maybe we wont hear anything till later in the evening??? I know Self and especially Preston are getting fed up with the run around

John Fitzgerald 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Regardless of any wrong doing by Preston or his mother they should have known his penalty a long time ago. The fact that it took him and his mother along with KU Compliance two months to gather the necessary information just shows how one sided this system is. These student athletes make millions for the NCAA but get none of it. Luckily they do get a full ride from the University but then they get treated like they’re trying to rob the system. The real criminal here is the NCAA.

Matthew Coleman 3 months, 2 weeks ago

I hate this often repeated line, "they make millions for the NCAA but get none of it."

When frustrated its all too easy to pull the victim card and throw logic to the wind. Fact is we have an amateur system that is working very well. Nearly all coaches, players and fans are happy with college sports and benefit greatly from it.

Yes there are the occasional problems (like this) and of course the NCAA isn't perfect. But it is stupid to in frustration tear down a system that works very well most of the time and for the majority of people, including most Jayhawks. How do you know that moving to pro-type system would preserve our KU BB tradition that was founded in amateurism? More likely that teams on the coast would take away college sports with their vast resources - as has happened with MLB.

A very small percentage of college athletes go on to make millions. And there can be no doubt that those that do, benefited greatly from the showcase that is the NCAA. Those that don't go pro in NFL or NBA also benefit from a very valuable free education. College athletes are not victims.

John Fitzgerald 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Hate it all you want but It’s a true statement. And many of the professionals that are in the industry agree.

Matthew Coleman 3 months, 2 weeks ago

John, by all means you are welcome to tear down the system that has made KU among the most notable programs in the world of college basketball. Just saying for a Jayhawk to do so is as dumb as cutting off the branch you are sitting on...

John Fitzgerald 3 months, 2 weeks ago

No reason to insult me or other people that agree because you’re wrong. College Basketball is a business where the highest revenue earning ‘employees’ don’t get paid. The NCAA has done some good, I’ll admit that, but times have changed and they need to follow suit.

Marius Rowlanski 3 months, 1 week ago

It is a factual statement, Mathew. The NCAA, the universities, sporting brands, and TV all make money while the athletes are counting change in their pockets.

I don't think this plays into the current situation with Preston and De Sousa but I also don't think that this is any sort of "victim card" either. It's simply a fact to be used.

Matthew Coleman 3 months, 1 week ago

Its not factual Marius, it's spin. The facts are that college athletes are receiving very real and material financial benefits both in their scholarships and in the massive media promotion they receive. College athletes agree to play for colleges willingly because they recognize these massive benefits and desire them. These are the facts.

To characterize these benefits as "change in their pockets " is pure spin and yes, playing the victim card.

Dirk Medema 3 months, 2 weeks ago

"These student athletes make millions for the NCAA but get none of it."

This is the most ludicrous statement ever. Every dime goes back into the program, into the athletes, and more, because alums are donating $$$ too. All that revenue goes back to the athletes. There is a little bit that goes into other sports, but revenue sports get the vast majority.

Are you complaining about the athletic department support staff getting paid. That too is going into the athletes because that staff is supporting those athletes and all they do that allows them to do what they do. Or maybe we should pay the athletes and let them hire their own trainers and medical staff, videographers, tutors, and on and on and on.

Nobody is making money off these athletes. It's all going back to the athletes in one way or another.

Maybe the complaint is that it is more of a socialist system then a capitalist system. The last (scholarship) guy on the end of the bench is getting the same benefits as Devonte, and some runner, swimmer, baseball player, and walk-on ... are getting similar benefits even though they directly generate very little revenue.

Liberals unite.

Joe Ross 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Dirk. No one is making money off the athletes? HUH?

Marius Rowlanski 3 months, 1 week ago

Seriously?? Your statement is so convoluted that I'm not sure if it's a political rant or a basketball post.

Either way, it's ludicrous.

Glen Miller 3 months, 1 week ago

I get really tired of hearing this played out response about how they make these school millions........ so what!!!! They signed the letter of intent. They read the rules and knew the score when they walked into the University. They know that if they play their cards right they will be making millions themselves one day. Let's not pretend like these players aren't treated like Gods and don't play by the same rules as other students. I also would like to point out that you are looking at about $30,000.00 on average for a year of college these days and that's probably a low figure. These players don't pay a dime of that and they get and education and a degree to go along with it. I have friends who have been paying off college debt for 7-10 years and struggle to pay their loans off. I don't want to hear the crap about how "badly" the players are treated and what they "don't get". They get plenty, it's just not enough for this whinny society we now have.

Clara Westphal 3 months, 2 weeks ago

This is ridiculous to have to wait this long to decide something.

Adam Engelbrecht 3 months, 2 weeks ago

SOON

That is all i'm going to post on these articles about Billy and Silvio until some real news happens. SOON.

Darrel Stice 3 months, 2 weeks ago

"Close? Close is a lingerie shop without a front window!"

Gerry Butler 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Very frustrating, and it seems the more we complain & post it's almost like the NCAA has some kind of super eyes and see's how miserable this is making everyone and they sit back and laugh their a - - of gigglng and saying ha Cool look at them whine - let's wait longer - so sick of this crap

Rae Bricil 3 months, 2 weeks ago

NCAA--there has to be an archaic and/or asinine in that acronym somewhere.

shame on them for taking this long and messing with people lives.

Jeffery Stadler 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Three years ago we pushed and pushed and pushed to get Check Diallo cleared by the NCAA pointing out in a 7 page letter how inept the NCAA was being. They were embarrassed by the letter being made to look like the fools that they are because in a day or 2 Check was cleared. There is no doubt in my mind that they are holding a grudge and will drag their feet as long as possible. By the way Andrew Luck's dad was the lead foot dragger at that time. We may not get our players until the Big12 tournament if those same clowns are in charge

Andy Tweedy 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Okay, is your point above the reason I've seen the Oliver Luck bashing on here lately? I tried Google and that didn't help. I've been a tad bit confused...

Jeffery Stadler 3 months, 1 week ago

Yes. At the top of this page search Letter to NCAA, articles ever written on the site then the document will come up and you can read the article.

DiscGolfer Jason 3 months, 1 week ago

I'd like to know why Self and KU have had so many issues, legal/financial problems? Seriously, KU is in in the negative spotlight in the media. And please don't tell me other schools are better at covering it up. Lame excuse. I've been questioning some of Self's recruiting over the years, mainly, the late signees. Izzo, K, Cal, Roy to name a few don't get the crappy press coverage like KU does. I'm tired of it.

Jeffery Stadler 3 months, 1 week ago

UNC had a huge academic scandal that went on for years that got swept under the table. NCAA decided not to punish them (UNC) about 3 months ago. We have had a lot of negative press the last 2 years I agree

Tony Bandle 3 months, 2 weeks ago

I think you could substitute the face of every Jayhawk alum, fan or follower in the picture of Bill Self above and it would be entirely and universally accurate!!!!!

Michael Maris 3 months, 2 weeks ago

NCAA doesn't care at this point and time. However, when the P5 Conferences align to leave the NCAA (and take away their revenue stream), that's when they squawk like chickens and bend over and offer what ever for the P5 School to stay (like in the movie Shane). Come back Shane, come back.......

Michael Maris 3 months, 2 weeks ago

They're to busy counting their proceeds from tonight's National Championship game. Jayhawk's issue is a backburner item for the NCAA Heads.

Robert Lofthouse 3 months, 2 weeks ago

How many more basketball athletes are under NCAA "review" right now? From the NCAA site:

In general, amateurism requirements do not allow: •Contracts with professional teams •Salary for participating in athletics •Prize money above actual and necessary expenses •Play with professionals •Tryouts, practice or competition with a professional team •Benefits from an agent or prospective agent •Agreement to be represented by an agent •Delayed initial full-time collegiate enrollment to participate in organized sports competition

Robert Lofthouse 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Perfect Storm conditions exist. Come on Mitch!

Kit Duncan 3 months, 2 weeks ago

For everyone bashing the NCAA, realize that first, there are likely separate NCAA committees involved in determining de Sousa’s eligibility, and Preston’s amateur status. Second, the NCAA committees deliberating are comprised of individuals from the various member conferences and universities. The committees generally meet via teleconference on an irregular schedule. (The members are still employed at their universities.) Third, it was KU that took an exceptionally long time investigating the issue with Preston’s car and only recently turned the information over to the NCAA during the Christmas break.

Bash the NCAA all you want, but know that the NCAA is not a company or a government entity, it IS the membership universities.

Dee Shaw 3 months, 2 weeks ago

What a surprise. I’m shocked. They said we know something today. What is taking so long. I guess we will have to wait another day. I bet we know something tomorrow.

Brian Skelly 3 months, 2 weeks ago

We'll find out once we're knocked out of the Big 12 race.

Bill Pitcher 3 months, 2 weeks ago

This isn't getting resolved anytime soon. If I can't blame Trump, I'll blame Zenger and his compliance staff.

Allin Herring 3 months, 1 week ago

Hey it is not like we have not had our fingers in this compliance screws up. First we would not be dealing with Preston if he had not cheated and had a car he should not have had. Add to that the month and a half it took the compliance department to put the paper work together to send to the NCAA. Heck it took us longer to get the stuff together than the time they have had it. As for De Souza we should have started doing the background investigations as soon as we found out he wanted to start school early and maybe saved two weeks. And I know he had to get test scores before he could be approved to start school.. it is not like we have never had a foreign player before. I know the NCAA is slow and have some weird rules but we need to own our part of these delays

RJ King 3 months, 1 week ago

I wonder if we'll ever learn the entire story. Likely only a portion will be published in order to save face for someone, or some entity. I still just don't get the stupidity of having the car. This is hardly the first impermissible benefits case. It is WIDELY known that boosters and other athletics stakeholders are prohibited from providing cash, gifts, or special discounts, payment arrangements, or credit options if the same are not available to all students. Surely Preston AND his family knew that accepting such benefits would jeopardize his eligibility.

I know "innocent until proven guilty," blah blah blah. But, given that this is so complicated as to take months to resolve, it would seem there had to be enough initial sketchiness that Preston and his family should've run the other direction from the outset.

This was not an instant decision (to tweet something stupid, have another drink, start a fight, etc) This was probably AT LEAST an hour-long, CALCULATED decision to accept the car and drive it on campus. If there was ANY question whatsoever, even a 19 year old should understand that you always err on the side of staying clean.

I'd love to read that the car was absolutely legit all along, and that Preston and family are cleared of any wrongdoing. But typically, if it walks like a duck . . . We shall all know. "Soon."

Eric TheCapn 3 months, 1 week ago

I woke up early with a smile on my face thinking, "Today is the day! I can FEEL it! TODAY IS THE DAY WE'LL FIND OUT that the investigations are 'closer than ever' to resolution."

Mark Winkler 3 months, 1 week ago

if it was any other school would be done. uk never has these issues why is it always kU. I get the Soussa coming Dec 26 could take time but Preston...they have had weeks before Christmas.

Mike Hart 3 months, 1 week ago

Winkler, what are you talking about? The NCAA did not have weeks before xmas. They received the files from KU on Dec 26th.. .and the NCAA wasn't back in their offices until Jan 2nd. Your beef should be with KU taking 6 weeks to gather, compile and send off the documentation/reports to the NCAA.

Marius Rowlanski 3 months, 1 week ago

Kentucky never has these eligibility issues? Ever heard of Enes Kanter?

Just this year a UCF kicker was ruled ineligible because he had a YouTube channel and earned money from advertising.

If you think Kansas is the only school waiting for NCAA rulings on eligibility then you're not paying attention.

DiscGolfer Jason 3 months, 1 week ago

We know of Enes. What about several years of the crap that has been going on at KU? It's disgusting and an embarrassment Marius.

Darrel Stice 3 months, 1 week ago

I think I've refreshed this site at least 100 times over the last 24 hours, hoping for anything new on this subject.

DiscGolfer Jason 3 months, 1 week ago

Welp, looks like "soon" has come and gone. I wonder if "soon" will visit today?

Brian Hosfelt 3 months, 1 week ago

in other news...anyone notice how many true freshman played in the title game last night for both schools

Mike Hart 3 months, 1 week ago

My one hope for today: That no one asks Bill Self for an update... please don't do that. If you do ask him.. please don't publish his answer. We've seen it a hundred times already.

Danny Hernandez 3 months, 1 week ago

and in other news, ISU hopes NCAA doesn't give Kansas an answer until after the game tonight

Robert Brock 3 months, 1 week ago

When does tomorrow get here? Yesterday?

Mike Greer 3 months, 1 week ago

I can't help but think this would be covered during the recruiting process. One of my daughters has a masters in education and with all the teachers that have been in the news for relationships with students, I had to ask if this was covered in class or is it just so obvious that it goes undiscussed? So I can't help but think Billy and his family wouldn't have been advised in this area, even though it should be so obvious that he can't accept a "special deal" on a car.

Since he reportedly informed the athletic department of the car when he came on campus, they should have investigated this back in August. That would have given them a couple of extra months to get things straightened out.

James Mathews 3 months, 1 week ago

Very frustrating to say the least, if it takes this long on Preston “me thinks something’s up”.. We need the services of these added players so bad. The NCAA is a fine institution things happen.

Tony Bandle 3 months, 1 week ago

Silvio, I get:

1] Foreign student complicates information of educational transfer and compliance.

2] Declared early from high school, the initial application is approved but must verified. Mid-semester enrollment certainly uncommon if not rarely seen, thus possibly modifying standard procedures.

3] Timing of final semester and ACT Grade right at the beginning of a two week Christmas break with NCAA Offices closed.

Billy, well all I can think of is:

1] Source, value and ownership of car had to be tracked down and verified.

2] The family has been forced to prove no conflict or rectify whatever issues the NCAA deems necessary to be resolved.

3] I'm not sure I can jump on KU Compliance because if they made a wrong decision, we could be 0-14 with little chance at a NCAA berth, a conference title but a good chance of probation.

It is interesting to step back, look at this season so far that many consider a disaster and see a team in the Top 12, which will most likely be 14 - 3 by weeks end and possibly even tied for first place, Are we Jayhawks spoiled or what!!!??

Brian Conrad 3 months, 1 week ago

Preston did not get car Given to him or special deal. The problem is it is his mothers car and she may have reasons of her own , she can not share how she made the money. It Was Nor A KU connection

This whole NCAA slow down is because Adidias and FBI. Heck Arizona has coaches going to jail. Louisville crooks and they still playing and ranked.
Heck Louisville was buying hookers for recruits ! How in the heck are they allowed to even play a game?

And we all like Roy. But Self has not had the scandal UNC. Just went through with Hartley a mention

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/early-lead/wp/2017/10/13/after-years-long-investigation-ncaa-finds-no-academic-violations-at-north-carolina/

DiscGolfer Jason 3 months, 1 week ago

Why isn't Mitch playing? And Cunliffe. Meep it up Self. Way to use out limited bench.

Ryan Ferree 3 months, 1 week ago

Where is the article today about Preston and Silvio?

WHAT THE F IS GOING ON HERE?

Might as well just have them sit out the rest of the year, its almost over...

Barry Weiss 3 months, 1 week ago

whatever buttons we are pushing, they appear to be the wrong ones.

Carolyn Hunzicker 3 months, 1 week ago

If the boys become elgible after the West Virginia game, Someone ought to check on the head of the NCAA Mr, Luck......The ex AD at West Virginia and now heading the NCAA ????

Just sayin

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