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Sunday, October 29, 2017

Disappointed Jayhawks at least show progress in loss to K-State

Kansas wide receiver Steven Sims Jr. (11) pulls in a deep touchdown catch during the fourth quarter on Saturday, Oct. 28, 2017 at Memorial Stadium.

Kansas wide receiver Steven Sims Jr. (11) pulls in a deep touchdown catch during the fourth quarter on Saturday, Oct. 28, 2017 at Memorial Stadium.

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What the Kansas football team’s players and coaches needed more than anything Saturday against rival Kansas State was a victory.

What they got was an unwanted consolation prize.

The desired result escaped the Jayhawks for the seventh consecutive game, for sure, but they at least displayed progress for the first time in weeks in their 30-20 Sunflower Showdown loss.

Between K-State junior D.J. Reed’s 99-yard kickoff return for a touchdown, the Wildcats’ 244 combined return yards on kickoffs and punts, two penalties on KU punt returns and a rough day for senior specialist Cole Moos (32.3 yards per punt) special teams mishaps completely torpedoed its chances for the first Big 12 — and FBS — victory of the season.

Afterward, third-year head coach David Beaty referenced the obvious blunders in the so-called “hidden third” of KU’s latest loss, but also was quick to praise the efforts of defensive coordinator Clint Bowen and offensive coordinator Doug Meacham.

The Jayhawks (1-7 overall, 0-5 Big 12) won the following statistical categories against the Wildcats (4-4, 2-3):

• Total yards: 482-340

• Penalties: 4 for 42, compared to 6 for 35

• First downs: 20-15

• Third downs: 6-for-16, compared to 3-for-11

• Yards per play: 6.3-6.1

• Yards per completion: 18.2-17.3

• Tackles for loss: 12-9

What’s more, even though the previous week’s primetime meeting with then-No. 4 TCU on national television was an unmitigated disaster, Kansas actually had a chance to tie K-State in the fourth quarter. It qualified as the team’s first semblance of competitive football since a 56-34 home loss to West Virginia on Sept. 23.

Disappointing? Sure. But progress nonetheless.

With Carter Stanley replacing Peyton Bender as the starting quarterback and previously injured starting center Mesa Ribordy back in the lineup, the Kansas offense had more yards in the first quarter (137) than it produced in the previous two weeks combined (127), at Iowa State and TCU.

Beaty explained what he liked about the offense, which put up 482 yards — the second-best total for Kansas this season (564 vs. WVU) — thanks in large part to Stanley’s 418 passing yards and Steven Sims Jr.’s 233 receiving yards.

“Well, I like that they protected pretty well up front,” Beaty began. “I liked that our receivers did a nice job responding and getting open and making some plays that they really needed to make that were going to be contested. We knew they had good defensive backs that were going to contest catches. I thought we made some really nice contested catches.”

According to Sims, Stanley (23-for-48, one touchdown, one interception on the game’s final play) played “great,” just as the receiver expected the new No. 1 QB would.

“I just feel like we came out with a lot more energy, more pumped up,” Sims said. “I feel like we usually always start off slow or the offense will be down, but (Saturday) we came out with a lot of energy.”

Kansas only led briefly, 3-0 in the first quarter but rallied to make it a game, even after trailing by as many as 14 points in the third and fourth quarters.

“We saw the defense was fighting their tails off again,” Stanley explained. “I have a bunch of faith in those guys and they were making stops really all day. Offense, we know this offense can click with one play, so I think we know that, so we went out with the same mindset every possession.”

To Stanley’s point, the Kansas defense, led by linebacker Joe Dineen’s nine total tackles, 1.5 tackles for loss and one pass breakup, had one of its better days of the season. On K-State’s 11 offensive possessions, eight produced 35 or fewer yards. The Wildcats benefited from first-rate field position on all of their scoring drives. They only had to go 25 yards for a Matthew McCrane field goal, 18 yards for the first Alex Barnes rushing touchdown, 35 yards for a second successful field goal, 26 yards for Barnes’ second TD and 21 yards for the final 3-point kick.

“Obviously it doesn’t feel good to give up a touchdown or a field goal,” junior defensive tackle and captain Daniel Wise said after making three total tackles, 2.5 tackles for loss, a sack and getting credit for a QB hurry. “But when we’re put in those situations I think the guys did well responding and having to force them to kick — obviously we wanted to block us one, but we didn’t get the block. … Given the hand we were dealt I think guys responded well.”

Wise also said he noticed a change in the Jayhawks’ demeanor this week on both sides of the ball.

“It was good to see everybody kind of working together. Everybody had the same fiery passion,” Wise shared. “Obviously we didn’t come out with a win. Doesn’t feel good to lose, but you see things starting to click.”

KU’s season had taken an ugly turn in the three weeks before the rivalry game, with losses of 43 or more points to Texas Tech, ISU and TCU. As he does most weeks, Beaty again credited his players for not giving up.

“I think if there's one word that comes to mind for me, it's resiliency. They are a resilient bunch,” Beaty said. “They come in on Sunday, and they block out. I know that there's a lot of things that go on out there in that world that makes it very difficult on young men, particularly if they know or they read or they see, but our guys, they've done a really nice job of blocking some things out that probably would affect some other guys, and that's really always been the key for them and for us was to be able to block those things out and know what the job is at hand and that we're doing the work. So when we're doing the work, we know what the issues are, and it's up to us to fix it.”

For a change, players on both offense and defense can enter their latest week of preparation — this time for Baylor (0-8, 0-5) — feeling confident there are positives upon which to build.

“After the TCU game,” Stanley said, “offensively we decided we can’t do that anymore. That’s ridiculous how bad of situations we put the defense in these past two games. But we really just put our foot in the ground. I think coaches gave us an incredible game plan and guys went out there and fought their tails off. Hopefully something to build off.”

Sims, too, felt confident the Jayhawks can keep improving after what they showed against K-State.

“It kind of hurt at the end of the game. You know we were right there and then this happens,” Sims said of the loss. “We’ve just got to fix that and we’ve got to execute ’til the very end of the game, every single step, every single play and we’ll be all right.”


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Comments

Joe Ross 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Let me put on my Bryce hat for a bit.

  1. The performance in the game this last week is encouraging. But encouraging to what end? We are well past the point of moral victories figuring into the plan going forward.

  2. This is one man's opinion, but Beaty would have to pull off some miracle upsets in the home stretch to save his job. Probably win 3 out of last four, which is not likely (Baylor, OU, Texas, and OSU remain).

  3. Ribordy's return performance highlights the importance of personnel. Personnel is influenced by coaching (both in who comes here and how well you pull out their potential). Yes, this is Kansas. Which is to say we are not Alabama and do not their draw in recruits. But Iowa State's progress shows that you don't have to be a recruiting juggernaut to simply make progress.

  4. Sims and Wise said that energy to start the game made the difference. It begs the question of why there is not always energy felt among the players to begin the game. If it's true that there was a difference in energy level between the KSU game and the games which preceeded it, this is both on the coaches AND the players.

  5. Re: Sims being confident about building on the momentum of the KSU game, players' feelings dont put fans in the stands. When and if those feelings translate into real progress that can be observed, that'll do the job.

Somewhere Bryce is lurking. I may have removed some words right out of his mouth.

Stephen Johnson 3 weeks, 4 days ago

The energy was created by Stanley. I understand that he had a broken hand so didn't play the first four games of the season, but why did we stay so long with Bender????

Len Shaffer 3 weeks, 3 days ago

That is the eternal mystery, isn't it? Why is it that every fan in the world could see that Stanley should be starting, yet Beaty couldn't???

Matthew Gaylor 3 weeks, 4 days ago

I mean, KSU is the 3rd worst team in the Big 12. We'll find out next week if KU is the worst or 2nd worst. After that, I expect more 40+ losses that will end this season.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 4 days ago

We'll also see if we were playing against the sleepwalkers who just lost a home heartbreaker to OU. Baylor will see us as their only chance. We'll see them as our only chance. We are at home, 11am start for the visiting team.

Let's see what happens. If we win, Beaty wins two games in his third year, one against a 2-6 SEMO team, currently in 5th place in their conference. Just typing that sentence makes me realize, again, how badly Zenger has mismanaged this football program.

Austin Lopez 3 weeks, 4 days ago

The Florida head coaching job just opened up guys, our best bet might be to fire Beaty and get a good coach locked down before the 5 star prestige schools start throwing there weight around.

Bryan Mohr 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Austin, what you wrote makes sense... so don't count on it happening at KU.

Mike Nicco 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Love your enthusiasm, but I don't see the pool of candidates being the same for Florida and Kansas.

Austin Lopez 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Early candidates for Florida job, Dan Mullen, Scott Frost, Mike Norvell, Gary Patterson, Charlie Strong, Willie Taggart, Chip Kelly, and a couple retired guys.

Stephen Johnson 3 weeks, 4 days ago

here we go again..... The coaching merry-go-round that will keep us buried forever.

Bryan Mohr 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Do you agree that Gill was not making progress at KU? Zenger felt that way. Do you agree that Weis was not making progress at KU? Zenger felt that way. The frequent changing of coaches is a direct result of hiring the wrong guys. Change for the sake of change doesn't make sense, but change because a coach is not showing on-the-field progress does make sense. Even Zenger believes that. Unfortunately, Zenger has lowered the expectations of KU football to the point that losing to a struggling in-state rival with 3rd string QB at home by 10 is considered progress - in Beaty's 3rd year, with only 1 FBS win (UT) which was very lucky. If you disagree with frequent coaching changes then you should not be a Zenger supporter - he's fired 2 guys before they finished 3 seasons. So if the player personnel and recruiting were wiped-out when Beaty arrived, it was because of Zenger. I'm confident that Zenger would replace Beaty if he could, but I doubt he has the ability to do that now. He'll either collect his buyout check with Beaty, or be saved by an unlikely Beaty turn-around. The reason I'm in favor of replacing Beaty is his lack of past success (he had practically no HC, OC, or DC experience before coming to KU, so how can KU have confidence in him?) and the lack of progress that should be seen by now (had to be more competitive against MAC teams over 3 seasons if Beaty had the "it" factor, as Zenger put it... and his recruiting hasn't been that good). I don't like the frequent coaching changes, but I really do believe that Gill, Weis, and Beaty were not good hires. And I believe that KU, as a P5 team, with much more money, and many more resources than half the FBS schools, did and does have the ability to hire a proven winner. It's sad that teams the Big12 turned down during expansion talks because they didn't bring enough value (Memphis, UCF, etc.) are hiring better coaches - at similar salaries - than KU. Many of the MAC schools are better at identifying good coaches than KU has been.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Maybe the best statement on Zenger that I've read. Add to this that Beaty has changed is O.C. three times in three years, chased off his two most experienced quarterbacks and both into the JUCO/Transfer mode of operation and you see that impatience doesn't rest solely on the shoulders of KU fans, who've been waiting almost a decade for a competitive football team.

If we had hired a coach with a resume, I'be be willing to go at least to the 4th year, but we hired someone that has absolutely nothing in his past to suggest that he knows how to win. Zenger could not have hired two worse football coaches for KU if he had actually gone out and tried.

Bryan Mohr 3 weeks, 4 days ago

KU Christmas List:

Dave Doeren, Scott Frost, Blake Anderson, Greg Schiano, Lane Kiffin, Jason Candle, Craig Bohl, Willie Fritz, Mike Norvell, Larry Fedora, Jim McElwain, Seth Littrell

I'd try my luck on any of these guys over a Beaty 4th year. I like Beaty, but I have no confidence in him.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Dave Doeren is my favorite on that list. He's a Kansas guy and even coached as an assistant for us when Mangino was here. Also, he's proven to be successful as a head coach, which is something Gill, Weis, or Beaty haven't done. The hardest part would be asking him to take a step down as far as programs go. Would he be up for the challenge? Or will he go after a big time job such as Florida, Tennessee, Nebraska, or Texas A&M (likely to fire Sumlin)? If I were him, I'd take the big time job.

Bryan Mohr 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Seth Littrell isn't well known. I think he makes sense for KU. I'd rather have other names on the list, but if KU can't get any of them, Littrell would be a good choice. He's young, 39. He played for Bob Stoops and Mangino at OU where he was a team captain for the 2000 national champion team (on the negative - maybe he still suffers emotionally from being coached by Mangino - haha) . He was a GA under Mangino (2002-2004). He was running backs coach under Leach at TTU. He worked as OC/RB/TE coach under Mike Stoops at Arizona. Worked under Kevin Wilson (current OC for Ohio State) at Indiana as OC. Was assistant HC under Fedora at UNC in 2014. In his 1st season at North Texas he went 5-8 after inheriting a 1-11 team. Doing well this year (5-3, 4-1 conf.) . He has a better resume than Beaty, in my opinion.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 3 days ago

That's clearly a better resume. But you left off Craig Bohl, Troy Calhoun and Jim Leavitt. Doreen wouldn't come to Kansas for $5 million. He's looking forward, not backward.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 4 days ago

I credit this close game to 3 things: 1.) Stanley, 2.) KSU being well below average this year especially with key injuries at QB, and 3.) Wises’ talk with the players. Beaty is still on the hot seat and this game did nothing to salvage his job.

Mike Nicco 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I agree with Stanley.
On the other hand, I believe Bill Snyder knows his team is so much better coached that for second consecutive year he took it easy on us. His offensive game plan was simple and made our defense look better than it's played all season.

Jack Hoff 3 weeks, 3 days ago

That makes no sense. Ya'll just don't wanna give Beaty and team credit for actually playing well. Bill Snyder's game plans are always simple.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I've give Beaty credit when he wins more than 3 games in a year. In nearly 3 years he has beat 1 FBS opponent. That one win appears to be a fluke while his losses are the norm. That is not a coach that deserves any sort of credit, nor does he deserve to keep his job. It's a business, not a charity.

Mike Nicco 3 weeks, 3 days ago

This year and last year his offensive plays were much more conservative against Kansas than any other Big 12 team. No way he pities us. He just doesn't need to open the offense against us.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Snyder made a comment that KSU was much worse than KU when he took it over, so I'm fairly certain he doesn't feel sorry for anyone here (fans, players, coaches, etc.). I'm sure he would have taken a 56-0 win over a 30-20 win against a team that put up only 21 yards at TCU.

Jeff Coffman 3 weeks, 4 days ago

I'm hoping that tomorrow will be the announcement Dr. Girod announces that the demands of the Athletic Director is highly complicated and that he will be pleased to announce a new position focused on the demands of fundraising and effective immediately Zenger has shown his strong abilities in this area. The needs of fundraising is important and Zenger has done an excellent job of raising funds for the Rules of Basketball, updates to Allen Fieldhouse, Rock Chalk Park, Updates to all of Jayhawk areas, the removal of the track in Memorial Stadium. With all of these accomplishments and the need to dedicate more time and effort to the $350 MM renovation we are pleased and excited that he will become the Director of Financial Investments and Fundraising at the University of Kansas.

We are also pleased that with the demands of this position and the needs to continue the development of our athletic coaches and athletic compliance requirements, we will be opening the Director of Athletics position and will be immediately searching for this role. We are excited to have a leading Head Coach Bill Self at Basketball and other successful coaches throughout our athletic program. We will work with these leaders and a selection firm to continue the development of our leading athletic environment..

This is an exciting time for KU and the associated athletics, the requirements of these jobs have been significant and we believe we are a leader in developing the separation of these roles and look forward to the filling a new Athletic Director, while congratulating Zenger in his new dedicated role.

Thank you, Dr. Girod University of Kansas

Joe Baker 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Better effort. The score is much better 30-20 is better than 30-0. Still have a lot of work and recruiting.

Andy Godwin 3 weeks, 3 days ago

It is fun to make wish lists, but it is unlikely much will happen this year or next in changing the head coach. KU is finally out from under paying multiple head coaches at the same time, and now it is proposed to pay out Beaty's contract while trying to hire another coach that would likely require a much more competitive contract than Beaty, with all sorts of guarantees given the short tenure if one does not turn around a bad program in a year or two. Beaty made $800,000 his first year, because KU was on the hook for Weis' salary (I believe three years which just ended). Unless someone on this thread can write a 10 million dollar plus check to Girod, then it is likely we will see if KU can win a few more games under Beaty next year.

Bryan Mohr 3 weeks, 3 days ago

KU can make it happen if it wants to. KU's annual revenue is like $90 million. The most recent data I've seen has basketball revenue of $18 million, and football of $30 million. Even with KU having one of the best basketball programs in the country - and one of the worst football programs - football is the money maker and therefore the most important sports program at KU (financially). Buying-out contracts is doable considering the overall importance of the football program. KSU generates about $15 million less than KU in total revenue, but pays Snyder $3m a year. I think it's safe to say KU can easily buyout Beaty's contract and hire a good replacement... if it really wants to. I'm guessing it will want to after 3 seasons of Beaty, and only 1 FBS win. We'll find out soon.

Jeff Coffman 3 weeks, 3 days ago

$800k is what DII and DIII colleges are paying. Beaty was probably one of the lowest paid coaches in the power conferences. I think it was all that was needed to get him. We make more than $35 MM and are the second most profitable school in the Big XII. A $3.2 MM buyout (some of that is offset with terminating prior to year-end), is actually a low buyout. Weis and Gill are all paid off. Making excuses as our attendance and TV ratings decrease are a poor way to manage a problem. Even at $1.6MM I believe that Beaty is the least or second least paid coach in Big XII. We can do better and we should do better.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 3 days ago

D2 and D3 coaches make nowhere near $800k a year. The average salary for a D2 coach is about $85k a year and the average D3 salary is about $50k a year.

Tim Orel 3 weeks, 3 days ago

There was an article on here that said that Beaty's pay is 3rd lowest in the whole Power 5 conference structure covering some 80+ teams.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Beaty's buyout is about $1.3 million total. I think KU can manage that.

Eric Eakins 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I'll get my checkbook out!!! But I'll need a day or so to transfer some money from savings over to checking.

Jeff Coffman 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Anybody else look at the picture of the touchdown grab and are thankful that hit the receiver in the chest, because his hands are no where near catching that ball.

Jack Hoff 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Everybody was pissing and moaning about progress. The team shows some mental resilience and progress and ya'll still wanna piss and moan. KU has a Jimmies and Joes problem not an X'S AND O's problem. We dont have a DJ Reed. Sometimes the other guys are just bigger faster stronger.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Recruiting lies directly on the coaching staff. So if you're complaint is KU doesn't have the players to succeed, then you agree Beaty is not doing his job. Also, he was brought here because of his ability to recruit TX athletes and we currently have zero commitments from TX on our list for next year. The few that we did have backed out.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 3 days ago

He was literally lauded as the recruiting wunderkind. It was his ONE thing.

I did not expect miracles, but he was brought in to upgrade the talent and has failed at the one thing he was supposed to bring.

Zenger has no clue how to hire a football coach. You could have taken 10 candidates, picked a name out of a hat, and done better.

Jack Hoff 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Steven Sims, Dorance Armstrong, Stanley, Mesa Riborgy, Daniel Wise and mike lee . All Beaty recruits who could play at other big 12 schools. He still has a bunch of weis holdovers who are crap. His recruits aren’t even seniors yet. He has proven to have a good eye for talent. He still needs time to develop his recruits, especially his defensive line which takes 4 years.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Jay, all three of his recruiting classes have been ranked at or near the bottom of the conference.

You also haven't been keeping up with the multiple posts outlining how many other coaches, at KU and at other schools have done far more with less or the equivalent in a shorter period of time.

The greatest excuse in the world is "I need more time". The greatest evaluator in the world of sports is......W's.

Bryan Mohr 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Here's what Coaches Hot Seat has to say:

David Beaty, Kansas – It’s as obvious that the wind blows in the state of Kansas that David Beaty should have never been hired as the head football coach at Kansas nor in our opinion had David Beaty ever done anything in his coaching career up to when he was hired at KU to have EARNED the right to be the head coach of a Big 12 school but then now….Kansas also hired Charlie Weis who we wouldn’t hire to shovel *^$! so in some ways David Beaty was a step-up from Chubby Charlie!

With the loss to Kansas State on Saturday David Beaty’s records at Kansas now stand at…

Overall: 3 – 29

Big 12: 1 – 22

…and the Jayhawks still have to play this season games against:

Baylor At Texas Oklahoma At Oklahoma State

Best Case Scenario Kansas beats Baylor at home on Saturday and then loses its last three games to finish at…

2 – 10

…in David Beaty’s THIRD year on the job and if that’s acceptable in Lawrence then those folks are beyond help and need to be committed to the nearest insane asylum!

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/

Dirk Medema 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Beaty was confronted with a 50 man roster (FCS level) and has most definitely succeeded in rebuilding in. It is even almost an 85 man roster. Unfortunately it is also a roster with only 6 seniors so it is likely one of the youngest rosters. Maybe he should have recruited more JC players so we could be more experienced sooner. Oh, that's right. That flamed badly last time and there was a pretty unanimous voice that it was better to recruit HS players and develop them. Silly not to realize they had to develop in 2 years or less.

It is interesting to see ISU lifted up as the measure of success when they weren't confronted with a 55 man roster and BU is ignored as an example of how far a fall can be when confronted with a depleted roster. Not sure if they are at 55 players though I am certain they fell from a much higher point.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

The problem is were are doing just as bad with an 84 man roster as we did with a 55 man roster.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 3 days ago

When quite a few of those 84 guys are a walk ons and lower level transfers, it masks where KU's true scholarship number is at which is likely in the lower 70's if you don't include those walk ons later awarded scholarships. Next year is when KU will legitimately be back to basically a full roster of scholarship players.

If Beaty doesn't survive, then this year's class will be a wash and will reset the clock on KU catching back up.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Wrong. A good coach will recruit better than a 1-11 Beaty. Guaranteed. Not sure? Check the de-commits since the beginning of the season, the last-ranked class so far in the Big 12, and the bloodbaths we are going to witness after the Baylor game.

A new coach will help recruiting, this year.

Jack Hoff 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Great point Dirk! At least one person understands that progress isn’t always a straight line. There is no magic formula that says he was gonna win X amount of games just cuz it’s year 3. It takes take to get recruits that fit the system and takes years to develop them.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Jay, he recruited Carter Stanley specifically over Ryan Willis in the same year. Stanley won the only real game of the Beaty regime and he was benched for a better guy, who wasn't any better.

Progress isn't a straight line, but it's certainly visible. There's been none. Zero. Nada. Zilch. In fact, we are probably worse now than when Beaty was hired.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 3 days ago

People here have mentioned Duke and David Cutcluffe as a model to rebuild. David Cutcliffe got worse in years 3 and 4 at Duke before he finally made his first bowl game in his 5th year at Duke.

Jack Hoff 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Exactly! They’ve been to four bowl games since then! Imagine if they would have fired him after year three when they regressed! It’s a process not an event! Great analysis Aaron!

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Not many have mentioned Cutcluffe. Many have mentioned Glen Mason, Bill Snyder, Mark Mangino, Matt Campbell, and many others. Virtually no one on this site expected or predicted a bowl game this year (except Beaty, of course). One win against an FCS team, epically humiliating back-to-back beat downs and a coaching train wreck on Saturday don't really help build a case for progress.

It does not take 5 years. Repeat, it does not take five years. Repeat, it does not take five years.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

UAB didn’t have a football program last year or the year before, but this year they’re 5-3, with 3 of those wins being over FBS teams. Granted they’re in Conference USA which is nothing like the Big 12, but their competition is darn near equal to the MAC, which we can’t even compete with. Also, ISU has been near the bottom of the Big 12 year after year and in Matt Campbell’s 2nd year they look like one of the best teams. Those are just a few examples of coaches who turn a losing program or depleted roster into a winning team.

Bryan Mohr 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Cutcliffe? Really? Year #1, 4-8; Year #2, 5-7. Previous successful HC experience at Ole Miss for 6 years, including SEC Coach of the Year. Duke didn't fire Cutcliffe in year 3 or 4 because he won games from the beginning and had proven success as HC in the SEC. Beaty has no similarities to Cutcliffe.

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