Tuesday, October 24, 2017

Notebook: Beaty gives no indication of a change at QB for KU

Kansas quarterback Peyton Bender (7) releases his chin strap after a three and out during the third quarter, Saturday, Oct. 21, 2017 at Amon G. Carter Stadium in Fort Worth.

Kansas quarterback Peyton Bender (7) releases his chin strap after a three and out during the third quarter, Saturday, Oct. 21, 2017 at Amon G. Carter Stadium in Fort Worth.


In back-to-back wretched showings by the Kansas football offense, the passing game collapsed.

Over the course of the previous eight quarters, in shutout road beatings at Iowa State and TCU, the Jayhawks moved the ball just 90 yards through the air.

Asked Tuesday at his weekly press conference whether the struggles of starting quarterback Peyton Bender (15-for-35 passing, 56 yards, with one interception over the past two weeks) have led him to reevaluate who plays quarterback, head coach David Beaty gave no indication of an impending change on the depth chart.

“You know, whenever you're not having success, whether it's offense, defense, special teams, you always are evaluating, right, and I've said it from the very beginning, you're only as good as your next, and that's true competition. I'm not sure many people articulate it that way, but that's the way this game works,” Beaty began. “You have to produce. It's a production business, right, for all of us. No different for each one of our individual players.”

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Still, Beaty didn’t mention backup QB Carter Stanley in the conversation, other than referencing that KU has confidence in its quarterbacks.

“I look back and there's some things I'm sure that Peyton may have wanted back, but I do know this, that there was not a whole lot of time to get rid of the ball the other night,” KU’s coach went on, “and credit TCU's defensive line and their defense. They did a nice job getting pressure on us. They've done a nice job getting pressure on just about everybody. They're pretty talented.”

Beaty often over the past couple of weeks has referenced how much the Kansas offense misses starting center Mesa Ribordy, who missed back-to-back shutouts due to injury and is a game-time decision for Saturday’s rivalry game with Kansas State (3-4 overall, 1-3 Big 12) at Memorial Stadium (2 p.m. kickoff, FOX Sports 1). The third-year KU head coach again referenced the offensive line’s struggles while discussing Bender’s play, saying “sometimes it's hard to tell what maybe a guy is capable of until you can keep him upright in the back, because the guy is a really talented guy.”

Video review of the unpleasant offensive display, Beaty added, shows Bender hasn’t been the only one to blame.

“It's not just the quarterback, it's the guys up front making sure we get the right gel, the right mix there, continuing to improve. They're not going to let you go sign a couple before this next game, so you've got what you've got, you've got to develop them,” the KU coach said. “And the same thing with the wideouts. We've got to do a great job of spacing properly, getting off the ball quick enough, making sure that we're not getting held up on man-to-man coverage. Those things all go into the success of what you're doing offensively.”

In conclusion, Beaty stated coaches are “always evaluating” the personnel at every position, not just at quarterback.

Why the running clock?

Some disorder in Fort Worth, Texas, this past Saturday night led to referee Mike Defee announcing “significant weather” headed toward the area meant the final 12:49 of the KU-TCU game would be played with a running clock.

Beaty later said he never agreed to such a scenario, and added Tuesday he hadn’t received any clarification on the matter from the Big 12 since.

“But I really haven't given it much thought,” he said. “I think the reason I haven't given it much thought is they got it right. You know, regardless of what the confusion was, there was not a whole lot of time, if any, that really ran off the clock. Obviously I was a little confused on what was being said there early in the deal, but they fixed it fairly quickly, and the main thing was that they got it right.”

KU’s coach then suggested further questions on what transpired should be directed to the conference office.

Edward Stewart, Big 12 senior associate commissioner for football, provided the following statement to the Lawrence Journal-World:

“Radar indicated the high potential of severe weather approaching the stadium sometime in the fourth quarter. Unfortunately, in an effort to try to complete the game before the storm's onset there was a communications breakdown with game officials, clock operators and television, which resulted in the clock running when it should not have. As NCAA Football Playing Rules do not allow a running game clock, we were able to intervene from the Big 12 command center to correct the error and the game resumed with normal timing rules.”

Still no Neal

KU’s starting nickelback in the first four games of the season, senior Derrick Neal hasn’t been seen on the sidelines at all in the past three games.

Asked for an update on Neal’s status, Beaty said the 5-foot-11 senior from Dallas currently isn’t with the team.

“He's got a daughter, and he's taking care of her,” the coach said of Neal’s whereabouts. “He's kind of taken a little bit of a leave. He's taking care of her right now, and we certainly support him in that. He's a good father, and he's a good man, and hopefully everything there is going to stabilize for him and he can rejoin us, and hopefully he can.”


John Fitzgerald 3 years, 12 months ago

1.) Watching Bender giggle on the sideline like a little girl was a sickening sight. Letting him start again is condoning that behavior.

2.) The refs ran the clock because KU wasn’t even competing. It’s the same as stopping a boxing match because one guy can no longer protect himself.

3.) At this point I don’t think Bender, Stanley, or Starks will make a difference. The team has quit. Time for a fresh new face.

4.) I truly hope Neal and his family are okay. Whatever it is it seems serious.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 12 months ago

If Girod isn't going to fire or redirect Zenger to a fundraising role...then maybe Girod needs to be the one nervous about his job.

Michael Maris 3 years, 12 months ago

If the powers that run the AD don't care about football, all of our rants on here are not going to make any difference. I mean really, did Kenneth Stanley "Bud" Adams ever donate a dime to his Alma Mater football program? Being an NFL owner and being worth a lot of $$$$$$$. He wasn't required to ever donate to his Alma Mater. But, being an NFL Franchise Owner, he must've loved football. So, if he never donated any $$$$$$ to the Jayhawks football program, that's a pretty telling story to me. The Institution Power Brokers like Kansas just being a basketball school.

Charlie Gaughn 3 years, 12 months ago

I listened to Hawk Talk last night for the first time since post Mangino. Either David Beaty is stupid, in denial, or know's he's going to get his big guaranteed payout and just doesn't care. He stated that the program didn't have the luxury of developing a redshirt program. Holy &%$#, it's not a luxury, it's a NECESSITY! We could've won three games in three years with walkons. He's all jacked up over the big in-state rivalry this weekend. Hate to burst his bubble but this isn't a rivalry, it's a one-sided Beat Down that's occurred for way too many years. This could be the worst of any of them.

It's unbelievable that Zenger is still employed. If he's still here at the end of this season we've got huge problems. Just surmise if conferance re-allignment should rear it's ugly head again.... Is anyone so naive to think that KU will still be in the Big 12? The only reason the conference hasn't expanded to 12 teams is because they're assuming they've actually got to find three incumbents. Wouldn't the joke be on us if we spend $300 million on stadium renovations and end up in the Mountain West!!!!!

It's time to get rid of the K-State linked Zenger and the Texas Twang. I supported giving Beaty at least another year until I heard his stupid comments on Hawk Talk. He's clueless. Dave Doren would come back here in a heartbeat. He's a proven commodity and has been associated with multiple successful programs. If instead we want to chase yet another question mark, here's how you structure the contract:

Base Salary: $400,000 per year Year One Incentives: $50,000 for each win, regardless of opponent. $100,000 for each game against top 25 teams that we lose by less than 21 points. $300,000 if, by some chance we should make a bowl game. $100,000 if, by some chance we should beat K-State.

Year Two Incentives: $50,000 for each win, regardless of opponent. $200,000 for each win over a top 25 ranked opponent. $300,000 if, by some chance we should make a bowl game. $100,000 if, by some chance we should beat K-State.


This type of incentive based compensation would attract the young, confident coaches that we want. Not just someone that see's the KU job as an early retirement program. Obviously, the incentives would need to be tweaked but at least this is an idea. That's more than Zenger has had since he's been here.

Mike Barnhart 3 years, 12 months ago

Unless you are personal friends with Dave Doren, I'm not buying it! The time to hire Doren was instead of Weis or instead of Beaty. His next job will be at a top 20 program NOT the BCS door mat!

Whitney Tangeman 3 years, 12 months ago

Respectfully, I'm not sure I would agree with that type of a pay structure and the young guy candidate that would attract (although I like the idea of incentives built in). We tried the low dollar offer with Beaty and I think that's why we've failed. The mess that KU football is in, IMO, requires a veteran coach who has proven he can rebuild elsewhere. And since not too many people would be ready to jump into the KU HC role, given the last decade of magical coaches, I think we need to pull out the big bucks to lure a proven veteran in for the massive task at hand.

Mike Barnhart 3 years, 12 months ago

Just watching this team I'd be so tempted to say we haven't had one BCS caliber QB on campus since Todd Reesing walked down the hill in 2010. The recruits must be insanely bad because they can't beat out the endless parade of terrible transfers! As bad as they've been, Bender looks like the worst!!

So here's some salt for our wounds: Montel Cozart! If you haven't noticed, he now plays for Boise State and he's actually pretty good. He splits time, taking about 1/3 of the snaps, and his stats are off the charts compared to any QB at KU the last nine years not named Michael Cummings.

My point is this: KU football is so wretched, I can't tell you if the failure at QB is due to a lack of talent or a stunning inability to coach decent quarterbacks like Montel Cozart.

Robert Brock 3 years, 12 months ago

If KU is not willing to pull out all the stops and get the football program up to a reasonable competitive level, then the school needs to drop the sport or downgrade it to Div ll. That would throw the Hawks out of the conference and would probably cause Bill Self to look elsewhere.

Matt Gauntt 3 years, 12 months ago

Given your last sentence, I don't see how in the world your first sentence could even be typed. Completely giving up on the football program.......which is the ENTIRE reason that schools are in a particular sports suicide.

Please, for all that is good and holy, throw your keyboard away.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 12 months ago

Beatty is starting to sound like a broken record with his lame excuses week after week after week. Clueless. The sooner we can get a new coach in to get a start on recruiting, the better. This is a one win season. No wins the first year. How is this acceptable?

Whitney Tangeman 3 years, 12 months ago

I'm hesitant to lead the fire-Beaty-now chant, but here's why I'm concerned and feel he should not remain in the HC role:

  • Stubbornness, in sticking with Bender and Air-raid. Only type of QB that will last at KU is one who can run for his life (see Reesing), and air raid works best with speedy, elite athletes. Is it ego or admission of failure keeping him from adapting to what's available? Can he not see the shortfall with the type KU can historically recruit? His thoughts seem "academic", gripping to theoretical ideas instead of adapting to real world scenarios that don't follow the sacred textbook (see Charlie Weis).

  • Basic football skills not improving game to game, i.e. blocking and tackling. Is Beaty not detail oriented, like Mangino described as needed, or what Matt Campbell said he's done at Iowa State? Why not run a 7-day fundamentals of football camp each week? Since that's the level we need to return to. Is he too caught up in what a major program (not us) is supposed to do for game week? Again, theoretical vs. practical?

  • Seems like favoritism or stubbornness with utilizing some players? He should pull the next receiver who misses a block and put Daylon Charlot in! If Daylon misses the next block, go to the next guy up until you find a spark in someone. That "spark" from players doesn't seem to be tested, recognized, or heavily valued if it doesn't fit the predetermined mold or required practice regimen (see Charlie Weis with Michael Cummings).

  • Public Relations, in that Beaty is losing fan and player support as the program degrades. Players laughing on the sideline with no visible punishment or follow up mention, not releasing full injury reports to help explain performance issues, not breaking from the oversold positivity given what we've all witnessed. PR is what Bill Self does masterfully, and is part of why he keeps fans happy and players happy...that, and winning.

I'm probing here, and realize I'm looking from the outside in. It seems Beaty doesn't have the traits developed yet to be a successful head coach at KU (not many do). Adapt to survive, check ego at the door, and the all important experience of knowing how to rebuild from scratch fundamentally.

As bonus criticism, Zenger obviously does not know how to recognize these needed personality traits in a head coach hire, and therefore should follow through the exit door...either to the williams fund, or elsewhere. Being an AD is not about spending other people's money to build fancy new buildings. It's about being David Beaty's boss.

Len Shaffer 3 years, 12 months ago

I only skimmed this article, because I know what Beaty is going to say at this point. His act has gotten so tired and stale that I could probably quote him word for word without even hearing or reading him say them.

Please, God, someone put us out of our misery soon.

Larry Jackson 3 years, 12 months ago

Beaty is one stubborn, bull headed hombre! Obviously he hasn't been watching the disaster named Bender.

Doug Cramer 3 years, 12 months ago

Radar was showing a few thunderstorms that were non-severe developing roughly 30-40 miles west of Fort Worth. You could see lightning off to the west, and the concern was lightning impacting the game before it was over. We ended up getting a sprinkle or two but the lightning moved north of the stadium.

A stronger line of storms did move in overnight, although it was a couple hours after the game.

The announcer did say "due to weather moving into the area, both coaches agreed to let the clock run".

I looked down at Beaty after the announcer said that, and he was talking to the officials. So it's kind of weird that Beaty says that he never agreed to it.

Ryan Woods 3 years, 12 months ago

If I have to hear Beaty blame Bender's wretched play on the line or wrs ONE more time..... Compared to last year, KU has more experience at both positions. Carter Stanley produced three competitive games and we still haven't seen in anything but garbage time.

Doug Cramer 3 years, 12 months ago

This is such misery man. I've got to get away from paying attention to this negativity.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 12 months ago

Damn, I mean, just...damn.

And the worst part is, there is no arguing with any of the ESPN talking heads on this one.

John Brazelton 3 years, 12 months ago

How about letting the players and coaches play the remaining games. At this stage of the season, no ones posts mean anything to those in power. If the big donors want a change, then one will happen at the end of the season.

John Fitzgerald 3 years, 12 months ago

At the end of the season is too late. We need to get a jump on this immediately before other Power 5 programs let go of their coaches. The sooner we get a quality AD the better chance we have at getting a quality coach with them. It's business, I don't care how much you like Beaty or Zenger.

Joe Baker 3 years, 12 months ago

All I want for Christmas is a competitive football program. Please Santa, make our program competitive and give us whatever it takes to make that happen.

I'm sick of living in Oklahoma and hearing all the deserved remarks about KU. You might say, well turn about is fair play? Wrong. Each of these bball programs have always been fairly competitive with our bball program. I'd say Lon Kruger has been one of the most effective bball HCs in the nation. He's done so much and is getting some really good recruits. KU will never be OU football. Just like OU bball, will never be KU bball, but the football program could be more competitive.

Being shut out is absolutely unacceptable. Damn, can we at least get a field goal and get 3 pts on the board? If a head coach can't do something that simple, is definitely in trouble. Spare me the "he needs time crap." You design a few plays and get into field goal range and kick the damn ball into the uprights, right? Apparently Beaty doesn't seem to understand that concept. He's settling for being shut out and running out the clock...EMBARRASSING. Is this what KU football is accepting? Not even mediocrity, but far less. Well, I guess we might have a chance against BU. It will be a battle at the bottom of the conference.

Can we at least have a goal of 1 lousy win in B12 play? GEESH. I can guarantee you BU will come out fighting to save some conference face.

Edward Daub 3 years, 12 months ago

Beaty says we have to be able to Rush the Football. Agreed!

That is Why KU needs a QB who can Pass and Run! The Stark Reality is that we need to give Starks a Shot, if he is down on Carter for some reason.

I will guarantee you the KState QB will Run and Pass.

Layne Pierce 3 years, 12 months ago

Why is Beatty repeating Weis's mistakes? Our line may never be good enough to just let an immobile qb sit back and throw passes. We need a qb (like Stanley), who can run by design, and run for his life.

I love the incentives idea for a new coach, and one incentive would be based on competitiveness. Actually that hurts me more than the losses.

What makes anyone think the Mountain West would automatically want us, with our stinking football program.

I'm starting to see a future in the American Conference with Wichita State on the schedule at least twice a year. Boy is that gonna be fun. KState might actually get in a better conference than us. Our only hope would be that the Big 10, decides that Rutgers needs somebody they can beat every year, and we do have a marketed basketball program.

I keep saying it, evaluate your players, design your offense and defense around what they are best at. We are a joke at spread offense. We are a mule trying to be a race horse. If Zenger and Beatty can't see the truth, find somebody who can and will.

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