Sunday, November 19, 2017


Tom Keegan: KU’s undisciplined football showing grants chancellor chance at mulligan

Dr. Doug Girod, executive vice chancellor of the KU Medical Center, speaks with media members after being named as the 18th chancellor of the University of Kansas on Thursday, May 25, 2017 at the Lied Center.

Dr. Doug Girod, executive vice chancellor of the KU Medical Center, speaks with media members after being named as the 18th chancellor of the University of Kansas on Thursday, May 25, 2017 at the Lied Center.


At what point will the power brokers at the University of Kansas pretend to care about the football team enough to be embarrassed into action?

Obviously, three victories in three seasons doesn’t quite get a good blush going.

A 15-80 record in eight years, none ending with more three victories, compared to 50-48 (3-1 in bowl games) in the previous eight under Mark Mangino, doesn’t seem to stoke the competitive fires.

Maybe the Red Sea of Oklahoma Sooners fans that overwhelmed the smattering of blue-clad, hard-core KU football loyalists will cause the power brokers to challenge their initial decision to kick the can down the road another year.

(By the way, KU finished its seven-game home schedule with an average attendance of 26,641. The next-smallest in the Big 12: Baylor’s 43,830.)

If not, perhaps the bizarre coin-toss handshake boycott by the three captains aimed at Heisman Trophy favorite Baker Mayfield, as well as Hasan Defense’s way-late hit on Oklahoma’s brash quarterback, will count as the final straws for third-year coach David Beaty.

After all, the chancellor has the right to change his mind when circumstances change.

When Dr. Doug Girod teed up his first major decision as KU’s head honcho — what to do with the football mess — he whiffed by backing athletic director Sheahon Zenger and Beaty. The chancellor’s entitled to a mulligan, a breakfast ball, a do-over.

Saturday’s embarrassment gift-wrapped him the perfect opportunity to right his wrong. He could do so with one simple statement and nobody would accuse him of waffling.

Here’s all he has to say: “In releasing a statement last week in support of our athletic director and football coach, I decided I could live with a one-win season. I cannot, however, tolerate a one-win season that includes a lack of humility and sportsmanship. The embarrassing coin-toss conduct and egregious late hit on the quarterback have led me to reconsider my stance. We will have a new AD and football coach in place soon. Thanks for your support and incredible patience. Better times are on the horizon, both before and during games.”

A protracted search isn’t necessary to upgrade two of the three top positions of leadership in the athletic department.

Sure, hiring a football coach takes more than the few days it took Zenger to hire Charlie Weis after June Jones turned him down, but it's not as complicated as KU always seems to make it.

Everyone needs to grab hold of reality. Enough is enough.


Brian Skelly 3 weeks, 4 days ago

It's hard to argue the next AD and head football coach would be worse than the ones we have currently. Maybe we'll keep pretending all is well.

Jeff Coffman 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Thanks Beaty for making Girod's decision easy. Thanks Keegan for the follow-up. Countdown of 7 days.

Jack Brooks 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Thank you for taking a strong stance on this, Tom. We all need to keep up the pressure. This incompetence is diminishing the reputation of the university in multiple ways and the buffoonery has to stop. Basketball cannot and will not wipe away the tarnish of incompetence.

Fire Zenger; Fire Beaty; Fire BOWEN!

John Brazelton 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Tom, a better solution would be for the management of the Lawrence Journal World to prove that they have some gonads and fire you as the Sports Director. The Chancellor and the AD have made their decisions for reasons previously indicated. Your gigantic ego can't accept someone else's decision who have the credentials and authority to make those decisions. If you can't agree, you should turn covering KU football over to one of your assistants and go cover KU basketball which wins tons of games which will feed your gigantic ego and you can write all the glowing sports articles that you want to.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 4 days ago

JB, Tom is more important than you. Get over your jealous rage.

Bill McGovern 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Great another mindless comment from Brazelton. Please just go away and take Zenger Beaty and Bowen with you.

Len Shaffer 3 weeks, 4 days ago

John, I'm beginning to think there's something seriously wrong with you.


It is his job to analyze, to the best of his abilities, the situation. While I often disagree with Keegan and am often irritated by something he writes, I would NEVER say that he should be fired for simply expressing an opinion one way or the other, about KU's sports program.

Seriously, John, get a grip.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Prior to Saturday, I could deal with year 4 as part of the rebuilding process to finally bring the scholarship numbers in line and give the next coach a better chance at success in 2019 if Beaty didn't have the necessary on field turnaround in 2018.

After that classless display with the handshake and Defense's cheap shot and Beaty not holding them accountable after the game, I can't handle that. Beaty needs to go for that reason. Losing is one thing, but acting like sore losers the way KU did on Saturday crossed a line.

Gordon Penny 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I agree with you, John. Keegs, with his omniscient presence, knows everything about KU football and how to fix a downtrodden football program. Apparently, he knows some special trick or magic spell that will immediately and spontaneously improve our program. Maybe he should coach since he knows so much? Firing Beaty is not the answer.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

1.) Tom knows that hiring Weis and Beaty are what got us here. If those two things wouldn't have happened we wouldn't have a "downtrodden football program" to fix.

2.) Firing Beaty shouldn't be the answer because not hiring him would have been the correct answer.

Gary McCullough 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Damn, you people talk about firing the AD and HC like all it takes is a decision and some pocket change. OK. If you want them out, pony up the money. Send it to the Williams Fund with #fireADfund.

Joe Ross 3 weeks, 4 days ago

I'm guessing maybe Girod knows something we don't know: like maybe there's a contingent of boosters who are on board with Zenger's plans for fundraising for the new stadium and they want him retained for another year, perhaps; and rather than stating the truth, he expresses faith in the direction Zenger and Beaty are going. Short of that very specific scenario, Girod shows the same kind of ineptitude that has been a hallmark of the oversight of the football program shown by the University in the post-Mangino era. Furthermore, Zenger can be retained by the University in a fundraising capacity while being alleviated of his charge as Athletic Director.

This needs to change.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 4 days ago

If there is a booster, or a contingent of boosters, who support the retention of Beaty, then it should be relatively simple to outline 3 or 4 reasons why he should be kept. To-date, I haven't heard one reason as to how he has shown that he is moving the program forward. Not one.

Gary McCullough 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I'll give you the most important reason: we have to get off this coaching merry-go-round. If you keep going back whenever you think progress lags, we'll never get a respectable football program.

Joe Ross 3 weeks, 3 days ago

...because it's a job.

Why would Doc Sadler go from Head Coach at Nebraska to take a lower position as Director of Basketball operations (or whatever he was)?

Why would Meacham take a job at Kansas and leave TCU to do so?

What these answers all have in common is that money is an attractive incentive in determining what job people accept. If Zenger has no immediate prospects that can pay him what he was getting at Kansas as full-time AD, he might be inclined to stay. It's good for Kansas because they could continue getting service out of Zenger without a contract buyout. It's potentially good for Zenger given the reasons above.

Easy peasy.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 3 days ago

You're kidding right? You're smarter than that Joe. Doc Sadler did take a demotion to come to Kansas after he was fired by Nebraska. Sadler did not take the DoBO job from the school that fired him, he went elsewhere.

If Zenger was fired as AD at Kansas, why would become an Associate AD at Kansas Where he was just fired? Nobody in their right mind is willingly taking a demotion to stay at the same school. If he gets fired at Kansas, he'll either be AD at a smaller school or an Associate AD at another school that's not bamed Kansas.

Joe Ross 3 weeks, 2 days ago

Regardless of whether or not he was fired, you can retain someone in another capacity if the financial incentive is rewarding enough; in this case, that incentive being the salary amount that is currently being paid to Zenger. Rather than simply buying him out and getting zero for the money, retain him and get something from him. Again, the answer to your question is a simple motivation that is nearly universal: money.

A smaller school won't pay him what Kansas will. And since Zenger's hand has already been to the plow, he may even have his own motivation to see this through. We won't know of course. Some of this depends on his prospects elsewhere, which might be hindered given that as a "football guy" Zenger was not able to scratch the surface of improvement with not one but TWO football hires. In fact, a case could be made that things have gotten worse under Zenger, which might not make him the first candidate D1 schools look at when selecting ADs, given the importance of football on the college landscape.

The real test is considering what each of us might do personally in his situation. I'd certainly stay even if in a lower capacity "if" it meant I'd make a greater amount of money than going elsewhere.

That doesn't make a person foolish. Quite the opposite, in fact.

George Johnston 3 weeks, 4 days ago

John Brazleton, do you read everyone's mind or only Tom Keegan's?

Matthew James Roberson 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Excellent job, Tom. In addition to completely embarrassing our university with the coin toss nonsense, we’ve now failed to score a touchdown in half of our conference games. Please keep challenging our leadership; progress is not being made and things must change.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Advocates for change: Who can come coach next year? If you don't have anyone..then shut it. If you find that you simply cannot support this team under one more year of Beaty... then don't. If the reality is that Beaty is back in 2018: Then either deal with it... or take a year hiatus. This line of commentary isn't helping anything... and isn't going to change anything. Guess a lot of you are wishing we didn't run off Mangino about now...aren't you

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

No, what we’re wishing is that idiots like you would just shut the hell up. And you ask who can coach next year but I don’t see you giving any reasons why Beaty deserves to stay.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 3 days ago

John, my boy... you are the one advocating a change. A change to WHOM?! If there isn't an answer then what the heck are you asking for?

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I’ve already made a list of possible replacements multiple times. Also, any name I give you now you’ll degrade. In your clouded half wit mind you think Beaty is our only option. But you’re in the minority my friend. Not because you’re intelligent, but because you don’t see stats, logic, and reason. You only see excuses.

Bryan Mohr 3 weeks, 3 days ago

In no particular order: Bret Bielema (if fired), Blake Anderson, Greg Schiano, Jason Candle, Craig Bohl, Willie Fritz, Larry Fedora (if fired), Jim Leavitt, Seth Littrell, Mark Mangino (unlikely, but who knows?)

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 4 days ago

When the players explained it was a strategy to get into Mayfields head by not shaking his hand Mangino commented on Twitter, “What kind of strategy is that?”. I would like any KU fans still supporting Beaty to answer that question for him...

Chris DeWeese 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Agreed. It was a bone-headed, desperation move that clearly backfired. I'm really disappointed that Joe Dineen agreed to execute that. It seems so contrary to his personality and values. Mangino would have come down really hard on those guys if he were the head coach. Beaty seemed kind of dismissive when asked about it. How can you dismiss your team captains acting that way?

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 4 days ago

When THE PLAYERS explained it was a strategy....

1.) I clearly said the players explained it and did not imply one bit that it was Beaty who told them to.

2.) Regardless if Beaty told them to or not he is 100% responsible for their actions and the consequences that follow.

3.) And even if I did imply it, you have zero proof that he didn’t tell them to do it just as I don’t have any proof that he did.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Ok.. and OU's head coach is 100% responsible for Baker Mayfield's actions by your own logic. And if THAT is the case...then OU's HC has much more of an embarrassment and national disgrace on his hands than David Beaty.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Yes, that’s what a coach is, 100% responsible for his players. Why is this so hard for you to understand, Mike? Did your parents not educate you? I feel like you need a children’s book to understand anything that’s clearly laid out in front of you.

Ian Ballinger 3 weeks, 3 days ago

So should he be fired for Baker Mayfield's more egregious behavior? Or is the lack of a handshake after both teams were trash talking all of a sudden the biggest fireable offense you can think of?

My support of Beaty and co. Is unpopular, I get that... it's why I haven't posted much on here this season, because I recognize that opinions like this one are generally not welcome here, so forgive me if from my perspective it feels like people are making a big deal over nothing so they can gather up as much ammunition they can find against a coach they don't like. I see legitimate improvement in the program after Beaty's 2-3 years (we all knew year one was gonna go the way it did).

I had a radio guy rant to me last night about how nothing's changed in the past eight years... I disagree, I think we've seen genuine improvement culturally and in certain areas over the last two, and even so, you can't attribute 6 of those 8 years to Beaty.

I just don't buy the fake outrage over something that had it happened under say, mangino, you'd all praise as grit and toughness. I'm not one to generalize, though... there are just a lot more egregious crimes a team can commit than not shaking a punks hand.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

When did I say anyone should be fired for the players not shaking hands? Read my post, Ian. You make yourself look stupid when you don’t comprehend what I’m saying or try to create words out of nowhere. And just for the record Beaty should be fired simply on his performance. The refusal of the players to shake hands is just a sign he’s losing control of the team. You Beaty supporters are supporting him for the wrong reasons. Yes, he’s a great guy but this is a business.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Once again...what does the players performance on the handshake have to do with David Beaty? Why do you insist there was pre-planned discussion on the players and coaches... that the players were going to do that. I mean you guys are looking under every rock and into every nook and cranny to criticize Beaty. Let me guess: It was Beaty who told Defense to cheap shot Baker Mayfield, too... that's his fault too, right? Unbelievable...

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Did you even read my post? Or are you really that stupid? My goodness, get a grip.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Not hard to decipher, John... you are asking "fans of David Beaty" to explain the players decision to not shake hands. My point is that the players decision to do that ... is unrelated to David Beaty. So now reason to single out David Beaty fans or David Beaty detractors... he didn't have anything to do with it most likely. So unless you hear the players... or the coaches... say it was a universally agreed upon plan: Spare David Beaty the criticism / blame for something.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I didn’t say fans, I said people still supporting him. And the question I’m referring for them to answer is the question Mark Mangino asked. Anyone who is no longer supportive of Beaty knows he’s 100% responsible for everything on the field, as Beaty will even tell you himself. The people in denial are the ones that can’t see it and will never see it. Can’t fix stupid, Mike.

Ian Ballinger 3 weeks, 3 days ago

"Wasn't asking fans, was asking supporters of Beaty."

That's right, mike, because me braving freezing temperatures and going to every game three hours early and supporting this team.... yeah, not a real fan despite that because I think the program is on the right path.

You're getting answers to your question, John. You just don't like them. 100% responsible, id generally agree with you, sure. The handshake is a nothing burger. It's exactly what Tom called it, that being, a macguffin.... one to use because you need to use any possible controversy you can against the admin. We just disagree... yet somehow that disagreement makes one side lose fan status. .

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Let me ask you this ... why do you support Beaty? And don’t say because he’s a good guy and deserves a shot. Three years is a shot. I want cold hard facts.

Bryan Mohr 3 weeks, 3 days ago

David Beaty, (1-31 vs FBS, 1-25 vs Big12). Under Zenger, (4-60 vs FBS, 3-50 vs Big12). It doesn't require looking under any rocks or crannies to criticize Beaty or Zenger. You are most likely correct that the players' poor decisions against OU weren't planned by Beaty (to think otherwise would mean immediate dismissal of him as coach). But Beaty is 100% responsible for properly addressing those actions. Why didn't Beaty make his captains go back over to the OU captains and make amends? Why didn't Beaty get in Defense's face and let him think his actions over from the bench for awhile? There's a lack of corrective leadership. It's not a "rock and cranny" issue. Who's running this team? The players, or Beaty?

Barry Weiss 3 weeks, 3 days ago

wow, those are ugly stats. I don't think we could have hired a less productive coach if we tried. Three years is easily enough time to show progress. We are actually going backwards. Enough is enough.

Lynn Stuart 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Mine you must not have played football, everything that happens on the field is from the hc period

Robert Brock 3 weeks, 4 days ago

GIrod may be in WAY over his head. He looks weak.

Pius Waldman 3 weeks, 4 days ago

I would believe the new chancellor has received suggestions and is basing his decision on what is best for KU in the long range. Those that want their decision to happen might tend to be critical of those in charge. Brock opinion that he looks weak maybe shows his wishes and they aren't happening. Girod is well aware of the situation and is receiving information. .

Ian Ballinger 3 weeks, 3 days ago

It's all speculative drivel, man. Anything they can use to be proven right

Bill McGovern 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Girod needs to grow a pair and make some big boy decisions. Fire Zenger and Beaty and get this show on the road! Does anybody really think the program will improve from what we have seen under the current leadership?! KU football is the biggest joke in sports, and Girod is OK with that because he doesn't care plain and simple.

Bill McGovern 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Thanks Tom Keegan for speaking what all KU fans are feeling. If you are not outraged by the results of this team then you are not a real KU fan.

Ian Ballinger 3 weeks, 3 days ago

''disagreeing with me makes you not a real fan, even if you went to every game, and every hawk walk, and every hawk talk, and supported the team."

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 3 days ago

LMAO!! Jim Mora?!? I thought people wanted to fire Beaty and get a HC with a proven track record. Mora at UCLA 9-5 9-5 10-3 8-5 4-8 5-6

See...Mora took over a team and had 3 good seasons. After that... it was all Jim Mora recruits...and team went 8-5, 4-8, 5-6... as his program with his players. UCLA... 4-8, 5-6 doesn't cut it. Sure, that's the guy we want to bring to Kansas. A proven winner. As a pro HC... he was 11-5, 8-8, 7-9, 5-11, 5-11. I see a trend here....

Bill McGovern 3 weeks, 3 days ago

his college record is .605 according to wikipedia, calm down it was just a suggestion.

Bryan Mohr 3 weeks, 3 days ago

What's more laughable, Beaty or Mora? You're supporting David Beaty, (1-31 vs FBS, 1-25 vs Big12) and then laughing at Mora? You want to go with 3-32 and laugh at a mere suggestion of a guy who's 46-30? Is Beaty your cousin or something? I don't get it.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Jim Mora is a guy who's teams got progressively worse each season. Did the same thing in the NFL. Based on Morals track record, he'd have KU winning 0 games a year soon enough.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 3 days ago

So you want a coach who failed to succeed at a school with much better resources than KU. Let me guess, you also thought Charlie Weis was a good hire because he went to a couple of BCS bowls while at ND as well.

Bill McGovern 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Weis is washed up, would take Turner Gill over Beaty. Mora at least has experience as a HC, while Beaty is a WR coach and recruiter.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 2 days ago

Jim Mora got worse each year as a coach. Happened with the Falcons and with UCLA. Why would that change if came to KU?

Bill McGovern 3 weeks, 1 day ago

KU has much lower expectations to begin with, would give him a chance to build something if he had the ambition. I agree that there are better coaches out there, just throwing his name out because he is available though KU could probably find a better fit such as that Craig Bohl fella.

Steve Corder 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Everyone here expects too much from a Chancellor of the U of Kansas.

Michael Sillman 3 weeks, 4 days ago

I'm surprised that the Big 12 has not weighed in with a censure of the action by the captains and Beaty's response to it. I do think that this game showed that there is some physical talent on this team. The problem is a lack of game time smarts. Opponents just have to wait for us to do something stupid so they can capitalize on it to bury us.

Jeff Coffman 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I do expect the BXII to step in, if KU doesn't do something proactively.

Although I think the team has a lot more talent than the coaching staff has, our greatest defense this past weekend was the wind. Once Mayfield adjusted to the wind against and with, we didn't begin to stop him. Early he was high with the wind and low against the wind.

Steve Corder 3 weeks, 4 days ago

While watching the game, I was reminded of the ESPN 30 for 30 program "Catholics vs Convicts". A Notre Dame player smiled as he remembered what Lou Holtz said to him, "You're the best W.R. I've ever seen....until the they throw the ball to you!"

Thomas Green 3 weeks, 4 days ago

I appreciate Tom’s sentiment, but if the performance on the field this year wasn’t enough to get these chuckle heads sacked, I doubt Girod is going to suddenly have an epiphany about where this program is based on this latest development. I completely agree it would be a great reason or excuse if you will, for him to change course...I just don’t see him suddenly figuring out what should have been obvious for many weeks now.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Is Girod man enough to admit he made a mistake? I doubt it but here's his chance to actually show some leadership.

There is a high probability that we go 1-11 next year. At that time, Beaty has to be fired, as does Zenger. During the course of that season, attendance will be half of what it is this season because season tickets will bottom out after the 2017 debacle, so they won't even be able to inflate the game attendance numbers as they do now.

So, why would you keep them both now? What advantage do you possibly gain?

Here's the disadvantage. You run the program so far into the ditch that it can't be recovered. And we are so close to that point right now, the Major Milktoast doesn't even recognize the damage he may do by being passive.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Brett: This program was already in that ditch.. back in Dec 2014 when Beaty said "Yes" to KU.

Bill McGovern 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Couldn't have said it better myself, this program has hit rock bottom.

Bj Cassady 3 weeks, 4 days ago

If there are no changes, then the fans should start wearing paper bags over their heads. Start carrying signs to the game demanding change. Boycotting the games, boycotting the sponsors. Do whatever. Guys the circus is in town and the clowns are running the show.

Gunnar Hays 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I saw a few people with brown paper bags by the endzone during the 4th quarter. Aside from the Zenger banner on the plane before the KSU game, I haven't seen any signs like that at the stadium. Although, there was a KU fan with a sign that said "I'm Sad," which made the rounds on social media. As far as boycotting the games, I guess we'll see next season what the numbers look like for games. I think a lot of that depends on how many season ticket holders renew.

Thomas Green 3 weeks, 4 days ago

P.S., Like Tom Keegan, I too must have a gigantic ego since I do not agree with the folks in charge of these decisions. If only I could aimlessly accept such a decision and ignore what seems obvious based on the programs performance in season three. Alas, my ego is just too big! Only someone with an ego as large as mine-and Tom Kegan’s-would use logic, reason and empirical knowledge to form an opinion contrary to the administrations. I fully expect to be fired tomorrow morning now that I have been found out.

Andy Tweedy 3 weeks, 4 days ago

I'd never come on a public board and call for someone to be fired from his job, no matter how much I think he's failed. It's his livelihood and his family is relying on him, and it seems sort of mean. I'm not smart enough to know exactly what needs to happen to fix it, and I've got no control over the situation, so it does me no good. But THIS ISN'T WORKING!!! Right now, I'd be happy with beating the MAC schools that we play at home, but we can't even do that. WE SUCK...and I'm so tired of losing!!! If I lived in Lawrence or even KC, I'd still be spending the money to see my school play, but I live in Omaha, and I'm not about to commit the kind of time and money it takes to see a team that isn't even competitive with D1 competition.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 3 days ago

This is a performance business. Everyone involved is a millionaire with a guaranteed contract and buyout. They know the expectations when embrace these careers. They've failed miserably, taken millions of dollars while failing and should count themselves as lucky that our wimpy chancellor hasn't already shown them the door.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 3 days ago


John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Why are you so hard on Beaty, Mike? Do you not understand the concept that college football is a business? It’s just like any other job, if you do not perform you do not keep your job.

Brad Miller 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Among other qualities, someone who does not type in all uppercase.

Bryan Mohr 3 weeks, 3 days ago

In no particular order: Bret Bielema (if fired), Blake Anderson, Greg Schiano, Jason Candle, Craig Bohl, Willie Fritz, Larry Fedora (if fired), Jim Leavitt, Seth Littrell, Mark Mangino (unlikely, but who knows?)

Why would some of these guys consider taking the KU job? Money. Millions of dollars.

Thomas Green 3 weeks, 4 days ago

I hear you Andy, but don’t forget these positions are public positions. Such positions pay quite handsomely, so I personally don’t think anyone is going to go hungry if fired. Anyone who takes such a job knows ahead of time what is at stake. The public scrutiny goes with the territory.

Len Shaffer 3 weeks, 3 days ago

To paraphrase Animal House, "Pathetic, incompetent and classless is no way to go through life ..."

Robert Brown 3 weeks, 3 days ago

It would seem like the histrionics that occurred yesterday not the gives Girod a mulligan to change his mind, it may be justification to fire with cause meaning that the buy out would not be necessary.

Yesterday was embarrassing.

Barry Weiss 3 weeks, 3 days ago

It would seem to me that giving Beaty the boot would HELP recruiting AND fundraising. No one can say this program is going in the right direction in its third year with Beaty. In fact, it i getting worse. So what better way to get some recruits, maybe even the Texas kids that Beaty has failed so miserably at getting. What better way to fund raise than to let the KU faithful know that there is new hope via a new coach who will bring a better way? Who can actually sit here and with a straight face say KU will win more than one game next year? We simply cannot compete in conference and struggle, and mostly lose, against FCS teams. We are in the bottom ten in all areas of FBS schools. Look all around you folks, this program is a the threshold of hell!

Joe Norgay 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Sorry Barry. Your and every other fans logical thoughts are irrelevant because Dana Anderson wants to be able to eat queso dip with his best bud David Beaty at Hawk Talk at the Salty Iguana.

Brad Miller 3 weeks, 3 days ago

The students and alumni, the people of Lawrence, and our fans everywhere deserve better than this. The University of Kansas stands for excellence in scholastic and athletic accomplishment. I wish no ill will to Beaty and his staff, or to Mr. Zenger, but they are simply not up to the task. Look at the numbers statistically from any angle, this leadership fails in comparison even to the failure of the previous regimes since Mark Mangino. It is time for a change.

Jeff Coffman 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Although easier to make with a Donor stepping, up, a $3.2 MM payment from a football team that gets paid $38MM just for 10 of the football games, should still be made. There is plenty of money to make this decision. Progress is not 1 win, especially when you set the bar low with two wins last year and zero the opening year. I don't care what anyone says our record should not be 2-1 against DII teams and 0-6 against non-power conference teams, I don't care how bare the cupboard or how many scholarships, we have to be better than those teams.

Joe Norgay 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Yeah god forbid Tom Keegan, the sports editor, call for the firing of a coach who is 3-33 and an AD who is 10-61 in their tenures.

Beaty and Zenger being called jokes would be an insult to the word joke.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

You may be a "big time donor" Bill, but this is a battle you will lose. Move along now.

Nathan Roser 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I find it interesting that we're worrying about Beaty. Our school has not historically been a hotbed of football success. I think we Jayhawks have perhaps one team a decade that is worth talking about. Perhaps we shot our wad with the 2007 Orange Bowl team.

So why would a Jim Harbaugh or an Urban Meyer or someone of that caliber, who can coach 'em up, who can recruit, and who can teach winning now, give KU more than a momentary thought?

Bryan Mohr 3 weeks, 3 days ago

In no particular order: Bret Bielema (if fired), Blake Anderson, Greg Schiano, Jason Candle, Craig Bohl, Willie Fritz, Larry Fedora (if fired), Jim Leavitt, Seth Littrell, Mark Mangino (unlikely, but who knows?)

Why would some of these guys consider taking the KU job? Money. Millions of dollars.

Brian Skelly 3 weeks, 3 days ago

As I've posted before, Im not for firing these guys, but we've hit a point where this simply no argument to keep Zenger and Beaty around. Beaty is a nice guy, and Im sure Zenger means well. At this point though, that's irrelevant. Anyone who thinks stadium renovations funding will be hurt by letting either or both of these guys go doesnt really understand how fundraising works.

As Gene Stallings once said, "Just because someone is a good Sergeant, doesnt mean he'll be a good General." As true of statement about coaching, especially football can be said.

Im under no disillusion that what's next will suddenly take us to the promise land. We simply need competence at this point. We're not really getting that, and havent for awhile.

Lynn Stuart 3 weeks, 3 days ago

ok it'x really simple, all the liberal tree hugging rock lickers will not allow a real football coach to come to ku because he will not allow a safe zone for the players that get yelled out and called out for poor play,we had one and how did that go? we won but feelings were hurt so out the door he went. as far as fans, there never have been the support for football,people say well iowa st. has real fans but only because there is nothing to do there, well lets be honest there is really nothing to do in lawrence, I was born and raised in lawrence you have to go some place else to do anything,I have suppoted ku football since 1969, and the only games I have ever missed is when I was in the military so if you want a change get a group of people and hang out in front of Girods office call gov. to withhold money till the powers that be finally listen, hell its so bad I took my daughter to her first game against ksu, and even had to pay money for handicap parking, there are big issues with the university and i wont make another trip from colorado to a game , just my thoughts

No Yard Left Behind 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I'm a liberal and I want a hard nosed football coach that has expectations and puts University and team above all. I do like trees, what's wrong with liking trees? There is plenty to do in Lawrence besides professional sports, why would you have to leave town? Save your over generalized stereotyping for your fox news rants.

Lawrence McGlinn 3 weeks, 3 days ago

As a tree-hugging, rock-licking liberal I don't appreciate your politics on this sports forum. It's not the place. I also don't want to continue with a coach who does not create a disciplined team. I want a coach who projects and expects discipline and performance. The coach should not be a raving, abusive bully. That is not discipline. Our basketball coach is a good example of a leader with high expectations who pushes his players without being a bully. I agree that we need new leadership in the football program.

Ian Ballinger 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I'm as conservative as they come, and I think Beaty's the right guy.

Mike Nicco 3 weeks, 3 days ago

We had more than one. Don't forget Coach Mason.

Jim Stauffer 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I have no complaint with a journalist who exposes the failures of the program in his articles. But when he goes to this point and tries to embarrass everyone associated with the program to get his desires known he has gone too far. First of all, every team in the league has probably wanted to do the same thing to the "jerk" who will be presented as a humble and talented young man with a bright future when he receives the Heisman. Fact is we all know he is a jerk and a jerk without any high moral ground as well. His little demonstration of no character and no morals far overshadowed the small act of our captains. Second, when you insult the BMD's and the Chancellor all in the same statement you should be barred from any official contact with the team in the future. Chancellor inherited a mess and everyone knows this. But there is only one guy in the room who keeps interrupting everyone to shout out his grievances and dissatisfaction. Hey, Keegan, we know how you feel. You have said it one hundred times. Quit calling for the Coach, AD and now Chancellor and BMD's scalps and recognize they have planned an approach to solve the problem. You will have to be like the 3 year olds my wife cares for and have a bit of patience and let it work out instead of throwing a tantrum in the middle of the floor everyday. Knock it off! We have heard enough of this re-run.

Lawrence McGlinn 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Let it work? Do you mean all the improvement we've seen this year, carrying into next? Barred from official contact with the team? That sounds like....Cuba, or maybe the Soviet Union. Keegan is doing his job. Some of us like it. Some of us don't. It's America!

George Johnston 3 weeks, 3 days ago

  1. How do you know they have a plan?

  2. What is the plan?

  3. How will we know whether the plan is working?

  4. When will the plan succeed?

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

One thing Beaty has done well is create a following of really stubborn people, just like himself. The facts are there. Tom has laid them out over and over. Can anyone even give me 3 facts that show Beaty has succeeded and deserves a fourth year?

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I'll tell you exactly why I was on board with giving Beaty year 4 prior to Saturday's display of poor sportsmanship and cheap shots.

It was to lay a better foundation of talent for the next coach. Beaty can say KU is almost caught up in the scholarship numbers game, but when so many of the players are walk one that have been awarded scholarships, KU is still way behind in that regard. This is a really small senior class and this is the recruiting class that would legitimately bring KU's true scholarahip numbers in line with most FBS programs. In would have been willing to go through one more year of Beaty to give the next coach a much better foundation to build on than what KU would have after this year, especially considering KU still has Devonta Jason and Corione Harris committed and will likely lose both of them if Beaty got fired this year.

The big picture, long term future is why I was on board with giving Beaty a 4th year, but the lack of character KU showed on Saturday with no repercussions has made me switch and Beaty needs to go based on those grounds to me.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Good answer, Aaron, and I can see the logic. It is a little discouraging though to see some of the players that have de-committed in the last month or so. And it'll be a miracle if the two Louisiana recruits stay committed. If I remember right we're at 69 scholarship players, with 8 leaving, so a new class of 19 would put us just about on par with other FBS Programs. There also has been the issue that Beaty doesn't have a great track record of developing talent. Do you think a new coach could come in and pick up 19 recruits?

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I don't think filling up the class would be the issue for a new coach, I think the issue would be the ratio of JuCo to HS kids. KU currently has 10 commits and 8 are HS players which is what KU needs to build that foundation down the road. I could deal with somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of a class being JuCo kids and currently KU is below that ratio, but likely to increase in the offseason. My concern would be a new coach may end up being forced into a situation where that ratio is reversed simply to get bodies committed to Lawrence.

That would be my concern this year and I would hope if a change is made that the new coach would keep Tony Hull to give KU a shot at keeping the 4 Louisiana kids committed. Getting Mike Lee on board with a new coach could also be huge because 3 of those 4 LA kids were Mike Lee's teammates at Landry-Walker.

Bryson Stricker 3 weeks, 3 days ago

  1. Getting National Attention and commitment from 4 and 5 recruits. (We are in the top list for 8 4-5 kids) Even Mangino didn't do this. (You're going to say that those kids aren't going to come here.. you have no basis for that and they are going to come here)

  2. Turned the actual football culture around. These kids for the most part have not given up and are still buying in and doing what they can do with how they are coached. Look at what happened at Texas in their 5th game two years ago lmao. They had players tweeting from sideline and locker room "University of Transfer". Go to ESPN and look at ncaaf section every day for a week. Report back to me how many crimes are being committed and the school in which they are attending. Then we can talk about football culture. You all look like IDIOTS sitting here complaining about our players not shaking hands with Baker Mayfield when his teammates were making no sign of wanting shake hands either. We (and i say we because we are one fan base) have mostly given up on KU Football. Those guys went out there and told Baker Mayfield we haven't given up and we don't respect you. There's nothing wrong with that. If you want to complain about not shaking hands, you should just stop being a football fan.

  3. Academic Progress Ratings out the roof.

I could easily state a few more, but those are all things that many coaches before have failed to do and he has succeeded in. Those are all important aspects that many coaches fail to succeed in. You all are down Self's neck every time a basketball player gets in trouble, stop being hypocritical and face reality that building a program the right way takes A LOT of time.


John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

1.) Verbals don't matter. If they actually sign the letter, I'll give you credit on this.- NOT A FACT

2.) Mayfield walked towards our guys to shake hands, and they denied him. So there was at least an effort being made by OU. Also, you're supporting a coach that's 3-32 in three years. Who's the idiot, you say? And the change in football culture that you talk about has not proven to bring in wins. At the end of the day, wins are what matter. - NOT A FACT

3.) You're right, academics have improved and that's an important part of being a college student athlete. - FACT

4.) You only gave me 1 fact. FAIL

Bryson Stricker 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Winning is apart of the winning culture, not the football culture. FACT

I said getting national attention and commitments, which he did. FACT

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I need FACTS. Convince me Bryson. As in, what improvements has he made on the field? Are we more competitive? And if so, what stats can you list to prove this? His recruiting classes are still at the bottom of the Big 12, fact. Winning games is a part of him keeping his job, fact. No coach in history has signed a contract that said winning is optional. He may have a team full of perfect little angels, but if they don't win, it doesn't matter.

Curt Wright 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Maybe the Lawrence Journal World management could get a mulligan as well. They hired the wrong person when they hired Tom. There was another person up for the job that would have represented this paper in a much more respectable manner.

Bill Kackley 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Keegan should go to Fox news with the rest of the lying a -----.

David McNickle 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Has anyone checked with Mr. Booth to see what he wants? Seems when one person's name is on most of the buildings on campus, he has a little pull. See T Boone at Okie Light.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Booth is on record saying he is going to hands off in the influencimg of the decision making process and allow thise in charge with the knowledge of the situation to make the personnel decisions.

David McNickle 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Good to know. I hadn't read anything about where David stood on this.

Andy Godwin 3 weeks, 3 days ago

First, I have attended every home game (except for two when in Maui watching the KU basketball team) since moving back to Kansas. I have had the pleasure of experiencing the Gill, Weis, and Beaty tenures. I know bad football when I see it and KU’s football program is defining new lows. But for those who are calling on Dr. Girod to be fired since he has failed to make a reactionary move to remove the AD and head coach since being appointed Chancellor of the University of Kansas this summer are off base. Dr. Girod was hired to run a University. He was not hired solely to rebuild the down trodden football program he inherited. If you selected your University for the football program and not the level of education, then this diatribe will mean nothing to you. Dr. Girod is an educator first and foremost and his job is to continue to provide a strong academic environment and the highest quality of education possible to the students who decided to attend KU. I don't know any serious student (outside of an athlete) who selected to attend Harvard, Yale, Princeton, or Penn for their football programs.

College athletics was intended to provide students with athletic abilities a chance to gain a financially subsidized education while playing sports. Yes, certain sports, such as men’s football and basketball are now more about the money and notoriety, then advancing an athlete’s education. I like many alumni, relate KU to the success on the field of play, but athletics are for athletes to compete and fans to watch. At the end of the day, it is only a game and should not define one’s life, unless you are sports columnist who needs to stir up readers. If you want to make a difference, start the Tom Keegan fund to remove the AD and head coach. If everyone on this website will donate $250,000 then you might have enough money to influence the Chancellor. The athletic department is not flushed with cash to buy out another contract and try and hire an experienced coach willing to take on a potentially career ending position as head coach of the University of Kansas football program. Remember, Beaty was originally paid $800,000 (which was on the low end for Division 1 coaches) and the former Chancellor reluctantly gave him an extension with a sizable raise (still the lowest in the Big 12), but laden with incentives. If you want to make a difference, donate your money to the Tom Keegan fund that will be needed to influence the decision process. That is unfortunately how college athletics works. Otherwise take pride in the wonderful education your received while attend the University of Kansas.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 3 days ago

KU could afford to buyout both Beaty and Zenger if so inclined. Their combined buyout is somewhere around $5 million. Factor in the assistant coaches and it's probably somewhere around $6 million total. That's a pretty manageable amount.

Dillon Davis 3 weeks, 3 days ago

And it's going to be the same after next season so the argument of waiting another year and then doing it is not relevant.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Where did I say anything in that post about when to fire Beaty and Zenger?

Joe Ross 3 weeks, 2 days ago

Uh...I ain't entirely sure, but it sounds like he was agreeing with you. Seems to me like he's underscoring that Kansas could act now to fire the pair, which seems to be the point you're making yourself.

Jeff Coffman 3 weeks, 3 days ago

If you don't think a football and athletic program is good for the university see the following about the results of what Nick Saban has done for the academics and enrollment of Alabama:

Notice that Enrollment has nearly doubled while GPA and ACT scores also went up.

Please realize there is a reason why the Athletic department is still within the responsibilities of the Chancellor. To give him a pass on Athletics because it is not academics sets KU so far behind.

Tim Bingaman 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Good coaches win games against inferior talent... mostly win against teams with equal talent and.... occasionally win against superior talent.

This coaching staff seems to bring in respectable recruits - given the lack of recent success - but are unable to win games.

We need to recruit well, but must have a coach that can get the most out of their men and win the games they should, win most of the games that are toss ups and occasionally win games against teams the "shouldn't"!!! Then we will be able to get great recruits and vie for championships.

Progress must be seen in wins!!!! Beaty has not won. He must go!

Mike Nicco 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I think boycotting football games is a misplaced form of protest and unfair to the student-athletes choosing to play football at KU. Other than a paid education and an early look at how life isn't fair, what do they get for their dedication. Playing in front of a good crowd is their only reward. Let them have that. As long as represent KU well, they should have our unconditional support.

If you so chose, they are many other ways you can show your displeasure with the athletic department.

Brian Skelly 3 weeks, 3 days ago

I think you could argue that folks are already "boycotting" games.    We're 15-20k fans "officially" worse than ISU for home games over the last few years,  and for anyone who attends games with any regularity, you know that "official" number is hogwash.    It's well below that, and there's no one involved who isnt aware of that fact.

When you average 1 win per season it's not really up to the fans to show up, now is it? And have averaged around 2-3 for the last DECADE it shouldnt surprise anyone.
Im still waiting for people who matter and make decisions about this stuff to care enough to make it better. Obviously, we're not there yet.

David Kemp 3 weeks, 3 days ago

Agree. I had tickets thru gill and now go to the first game each year to see if it's worth further and so far it has been easy to see where each season was headed, so yes call me a fan who wants to see quality Fb not just go to see blowouts

Mike Nicco 3 weeks, 2 days ago

I understand what you're saying. I know how frustrated I get watching the games from home on the West Coast. I do come for one game every fall, but I can't imagine paying to watch six non-competitive games every year .Attendance is so low now, I don't think more people staying at home is going to get anybody's attention other than a negative impact on recruits. Is even lower attendance next year really going to change the course of actions?

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