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Thursday, February 2, 2017

Report: 2 KU basketball players allegedly involved in car vandalism case

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Two University of Kansas men’s basketball players are persons of interest in a car vandalism case being investigated by Lawrence police, according to a Kansas City Star report published online Thursday.

“Multiple sources have told The Kansas City Star” that Lagerald Vick and Josh Jackson are the players of interest in the crime, reported in December outside a Lawrence bar, according to the article.

The corresponding Lawrence police report, obtained by the Journal-World, indicates that criminal damage to property that had just occurred was reported about 2 a.m. Dec. 9 at 530 Wisconsin St., the address of the Yacht Club. The report says damage was estimated at $2,991.

No suspects or witnesses are named in the report, only the front page of which is available to the public upon request. The victim reported the incident to police, according to the report.

Responding officers were not able to contact all involved parties, and the investigation is ongoing, Lawrence police officer Drew Fennelly told the Journal-World last week.

A man who refused to give his name called the Journal-World last week and said Vick was involved in the car vandalism and Jackson was at the scene. The alleged incident followed a dispute with the woman — a KU student — at the bar, the man said. He said the windshield of the woman’s car was broken and a door was kicked.

The same man also told the Journal-World that Vick was the subject of a domestic violence investigation by KU’s Office of Institutional Opportunity and Access approximately a year ago, involving the same female victim. The Journal-World was unable to substantiate the claims of the man regarding either the vandalism incident or the alleged domestic violence.

The Star reported earlier this week that “according to information obtained by” the newspaper, the Office of Institutional Opportunity and Access investigated from late December 2015 into January 2016 and determined Vick likely committed domestic violence.

It is not clear whether the female victim was aware the information was being shared with media.

When contacted again this week by the Journal-World, the man, who said he was the victim's father, referred reporters to a Texas-based attorney, who, through a receptionist, declined to talk to a reporter and said he had no comment. The attorney also did not respond to emails.

The female victim did not respond to messages from the Journal-World to her KU email address. A phone number the police report listed for her was disconnected.

Vick is a sophomore from Memphis, Tenn. Jackson is a freshman from Detroit.

KU officials did not confirm a university investigation of Vick or the involvement of Vick and Jackson in the car vandalism.

Regarding the Yacht Club report, KU associate athletics director for public affairs, Jim Marchiony, said only, “We are aware of an incident and an investigation.”

Marchiony said he could not confirm anyone’s involvement in any investigation by KU’s Office of Institutional Opportunity and Access.

University spokesman Joe Monaco said the same.

“Due to federal law, and to protect the rights of all individuals involved, the university does not confirm or deny IOA investigations,” Monaco said in an emailed response Thursday evening.

In IOA investigations the university uses a preponderance of the evidence standard, meaning that the alleged misconduct was more likely than not to have occurred, to determine whether a student is responsible. In criminal courts, the standard of evidence is beyond a reasonable doubt.

Comments

Bryce Landon 2 years, 6 months ago

All I can do is shake my head. What the hell is going on on Mount Oread?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Abbie Chadwick 2 years, 6 months ago

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Dirk Medema 2 years, 6 months ago

Dec 9? How does that correlate with Carlton's alleged push of a coed down a flight of stairs? Or with his exoneration, and subsequence charges against the coed?

Hmmmmm?

Dirk Medema 2 years, 6 months ago

Double Hmmmm.

12/9 would have been the same night that Carlton was allegedly pushing the coed.

Is that pickled herring?

David Wanamaker 2 years, 6 months ago

And of course, security video exonerated Carlton as it showed the woman attacked him and he pushed her away UP a flight of stairs, not down it. I hear that the woman is known around campus as being bat guano crazy.

RJ King 2 years, 6 months ago

UP a "flight" of two stairs. Like I said before, I hope no one has a pet bunny rabbit. (Fatal Attraction).

Benz Junque 2 years, 6 months ago

Bragg was arrested for assaulting a girls's fist with his face on Dec 9th at around 1am and this reportedly happened prior to 2am. So less than an hour later. Bizarro.

Dee Shaw 2 years, 6 months ago

What the hell is going on. Ridiculous. Everyday a new allegation comes out. This is embarrassing. What next? We can only imagine.

Jay Scott 2 years, 6 months ago

An unnamed, unverified source alleges that your brother Rick Shaw is a dealer. See how easy that was?

Suzi Marshall 2 years, 6 months ago

This thing is getting ridiculous. It's apparent somebody (the girl and her father perhaps) with an axe to grind is pursuing an agenda against the KU players/program and is probably leaking information to the KC Star. Apparently the same young lady is central to all the activities. If it's the same one that accused Bragg, only to be caught in a lie via video tape, Self should exercise caution before taking any punitive actions. For all we know, the damages to the car may have been 'enhanced' by 'others' at a other time/date. Self should wait until charges are filed and the case concludes in court before deciding on punitive actions, if needed.

As I previously opined, none of this should be anyone's business but since it involves the team, we are all very interested. I'm inclined to believe this is a mole hill that some are trying to blow up into some kind of mountain.

As for Bragg's suspension, I hope Self takes him off probation soon. If we are going to punish people for having bongs in their own private residence .... really? For this 'crime', a two game suspension is way more than enough already.

Marius Rowlanski 2 years, 6 months ago

Maybe but there is an ongoing investigation. I wonder if recruiting in Colorado has suddenly become a little easier.

RJ King 2 years, 6 months ago

Or California, Oregon, Washington, Alaska, Nevada, Maryland, and Washington D.C

Mike Schell 2 years, 6 months ago

Suzi, I couldn't agree more. It's 2017 college athletes and weed go hand in hand, a guy I went to high school with played football at KU and he smoked, as well as stating 80% of the team smoked, let's not kid ourselves their in college and it's just weed... look I get not everybody will agree but it's what goes on and coaches aren't dumb..

Mike Greer 2 years, 6 months ago

Mike, come on, the NFL and NBA both have drug policies and neither allow the use of weed. Do you think being busted improves your NBA draft status? A small problem as a "poor" college athlete can become a huge problem as a "rich" NBA player. We've all seen the news of that happening.

I don't want to get into a legalization debate, but it's illegal in Kansas and right now that's all that matters. It's also banned by the NCAA. Do you want wins and perhaps the season vacated because the coach knew and didn't do anything. It's banned, it's illegal, it's not a smart thing to do for those two reasons alone. I don't know when your HS buddy played on the football team, but if it's been since 2008, that might explain a number of those losses.

Mike Greer 2 years, 6 months ago

I don't pretend to know what the "team rules" are, but if I were coach, as a minimum rule #1 would be you must follow and obey the laws of the United States and the State of Kansas. The liberal view of paraphernalia might pass muster in a number of states, but not Kansas. In Kansas, he's damn lucky that's all that was found, or "team rules" wouldn't really matter.

Team rule #2 would be for everyone on the team to stay as far away from ". . . the same young lady . . ." as is humanly possible and still go to class, practice, and games.

Suzi Marshall 2 years, 6 months ago

Great points Mike. Perhaps Self did implement your team rule #2 after the Vick incident with that girl and Bragg has been suspended for violating that rule. Maybe that is why Bragg struggled so much on the court. He was in violation of team rule #2 and the other guys on the team knew it.

Bryce Landon 2 years, 6 months ago

Or maybe Bragg has been struggling on the court because the hippie lettuce has clouded his judgment...

Suzi Marshall 2 years, 6 months ago

upon further speculation... that could be true as well.

John Randall 2 years, 6 months ago

Suspended or not, Carlton Bragg has nothing positive to offer his team, considering the discombobulated circumstances of his own life.

It seems unlikely (to me at least) that he'll recover an attitude and level of effort in time to contribute much this season. Sad situation, but not really a travesty – just necessary to screw the head down a lot tighter.

Jay Scott 2 years, 6 months ago

Another track on Soofi's Greatest Hits?

Will this might end up like all those vandalism cases after Nov 8 where the hate graffiti was actually done by the "victims"...

Martin Rosenblum 2 years, 6 months ago

"When contacted again this week by the Journal-World, the man, who said he was the victim's father, referred reporters to a Texas-based attorney, who, through a receptionist, declined to talk to a reporter and said he had no comment. The attorney also did not respond to emails"

So, the J-W contacted the man who earlier called and didn't give his name? I'm confused. The man called and the J-W got his number from caller id records.. or the man gave them his phone number but not his name?

"The Journal-World was unable to substantiate the claims of the man regarding either the vandalism incident or the alleged domestic violence"

How often does a newspaper make such a story from an unknown person about an issue that can't be substantiated that casts such a cloud over the individuals as well as their association with an institution such as KU?

Marius Rowlanski 2 years, 6 months ago

There is a police report but not much information:

"No suspects or witnesses are named in the report, only the front page of which is available to the public upon request. The victim reported the incident to police, according to the report."

Rod Huffman 2 years, 6 months ago

Wow! When will it end? Ok so they are just persons of interest. But here's the deal. If you call in a crime and cannot leave your name, then are you as guilty as the ones you are fingering?

Bryce Landon 2 years, 6 months ago

Uh, bro, about that word "fingering" you used...I don't think it means what you think it means...

RJ King 2 years, 6 months ago

Go old school with us on the terminology, Bryce. There's enough pettiness here as it is.

Bryce Landon 2 years, 6 months ago

I looked it up, and there's five definitions of "fingering", one of them a slang term for the identification of a subject of a criminal accusation. Sorry for my ignorance on this one; I'd never heard that word used any other way besides...well, you know...

Mike Greer 2 years, 6 months ago

Some posts should come with a spew alert, oh that's funny.

I know it's a generational thing, not laughing at you but with you.

RJ King 2 years, 6 months ago

"They say they're going to repeal Prohibition. What will you do then?"

Elliott Ness: "I think I'll have a drink."

RJ King 2 years, 6 months ago

"They say they're going to repeal Prohibition. What will you do then?"

Elliott Ness: "I think I'll have a drink."

Mike Schell 2 years, 6 months ago

Does anybody else find it odd that after every big win by Ku the next day there is a new case of a player on the team accused of doing something?

Barry Weiss 2 years, 6 months ago

It seems like all of these stories are unsubstantiated, months if not years ago, no one will talk....all they do is throw some KU player's name out there and these reporters try to break some big story. What the H? Why can't they wait until or if someone is charged, hell, even then as we saw in the Bragg case, it turned out to be nothing. This crap sounds like some K-State or Missouri alum works for the Star or some other rag and is just throw you know what at the wall to see what sticks. enough already!

Mike Schell 2 years, 6 months ago

Agreed!!! Enough is enough, nobody can beat kansas and take the title from us so desperate alums from other schools are trying to throw bs story after bs story hoping something sticks..

Barry Weiss 2 years, 6 months ago

"jackson was at the scene"....what the H does that even mean?? What, sometime that night? Different side of the parking lot not even involved with this junker car? Hours before? This is just a a big joke and these players get their name drug through the mud as some readers will assume its true. Again, see Bragg arrest where video cleared him. This is just disgusting. I don't think news organizations should even run something this flimsy.

Mike Schell 2 years, 6 months ago

Exactly!! Why is the LJW even reporting on this, it has no Merritt, all this is doing is adding fuel to the fire of anybody trying to drag ku players names through the mud. All of these so called "allegations" were months ago and in Vicks case over a year ago.. this is a non story.. if anything this is bringing the team closer together and all the haters can watch kansas bring in its 13th consecutive big12 title

Bob Bowles 2 years, 6 months ago

Am I the only one who feels like every "journalist" out there is looking for the next Watergate especially when it pertains to KU basketball. Bill Self is the ultimate class act and clearly some of these "journalists" want to try to make themselves look better by making the KU program look worse.

KJ Quartermaine 2 years, 6 months ago

Bob, you're reading and commenting on the article. You're being informed, yet you're bitterly complaining, trying to blame everything on the media like a typical Trump supporter would do. There's this little thing called a "police report." That is what's being reported on, you nitwit

RJ King 2 years, 6 months ago

Actually, no. Bob is saying that he doesn't feel like he is actually being informed. He feels they are pandering with sensationalism. He is saying that journalists should adhere to the highest standards of truth and fact-checking, and that this smells like a smear campaign of some sort.

We do live in an age where everyone thinks they are the next Carl Bernstein, Walter Winchell, or Hunter Thompson, and Bob was just saying someone seems a little too blood thirsty.

And IMO, the injection of politics and the name calling are not necessary.

Jay Scott 2 years, 6 months ago

Bernstein, Winchell and Thompson. Amazing diversity of examples.

Glen Miller 2 years, 6 months ago

And just like a Liberal, you've resorted to trashing on another person you know nothing about and calling them a name because you don't agree.

RJ King 2 years, 6 months ago

Please don't lump all of us liberals together, Glen. We do cherish our diversity.

Jay Scott 2 years, 6 months ago

KJ, after wisely taking a 6 month break from posting comments that make you look foolish, why resume? Putting your every thought out for public scrutiny really isn't something you should do.

Shannon Gustafson 2 years, 6 months ago

Soofi's brother's "incident" happened in Texas and her mother lives there so we know they have connections there. It's at least "interesting" that the lawyer is also in Texas. Also interesting that it was reported that Vick previously had "issues" with her a year or so before Bragg's "issue". Certainly far from definitive but something to consider.

RJ King 2 years, 6 months ago

I thought the exact same thing. Let's name ALL the persons of interest.

RJ King 2 years, 6 months ago

just to clarify . . . meaning the interesting person who keeps calling the KC Star and the LJW with "tips."

Brian Skelly 2 years, 6 months ago

It seems that people who matter in this can say nothing about it, yet the people reporting it cant stop talking about it.

Im all for any and all appropriate action being taken. But if there's no charges against these guys, its hard to sit here and take this farther. By all means, if there is stuff there it will come out.

Im confident Coach Self will make the right decisions with this. People forget he's kicked folks off the team before.

It does seem that a lot of this drip, drip, drip of info is for effect though.

Bryce Landon 2 years, 6 months ago

This is true. Remember C.J. Giles ten seasons ago?

Joe Ross 2 years, 6 months ago

The case may be circumstantial, but Im inclined to believe it. In saying that, Im not saying it's a fact, but come on, guys. If the unnamed source were your son or daughter in college and said they were witness to this, youd believe it too. And even without legal confirmation, youd be saddened as a Jayhawk fan. I do agree that its important to reserve judgement until all the facts come out, or even if the facts are hidden in the event that things are settled out of court. But it makes heavy demands on one's believability that all these allegations of incidents are being made without ANY basis whatsoever. In any case, its disheartening that in the midst of a great season we have to deal with these sideline stories...true or not!

The Good Book, wise as it is, says not just to shun evil, but to flee from all appearance of it!

Maybe Sunday School lessons or civics classes should be given after practice and before our players get turned loose on the street?

AFTERTHOUGHT:

On the other hand, what does it say that Coach Self benched Carlton Bragg pending allegations of domestic violence, and yet Vick hasn't been for the same allegation, neither has he nor Jackson been disciplined in any fashion pending the outcome of this investigation into vandalism? Complete head-scratcher!

RJ King 2 years, 6 months ago

It's just that all these allegations of incidents are being made on a completely one-sided basis. It's a bit unusual for an alleged victim/or victim's father to be leaking information to the press, rather than waiting for a trial. It seems like an attempt to try the case in the court of public opinion.

Joe, I usually like your posts, but this time maybe get down off the high horse. The Good Book? Isn't it possible that 18-20 year olds need to learn to first actually recognize evil before they can actually flee from all appearances of it?

Also not a head-scratcher to me. Self may have some insight into all of this, but might not be able to say anything to the press, so as not to compromise the case or whatever legally.

Everybody breathe.

Joe Ross 2 years, 6 months ago

I think it's good to borrow wisdom wherever you can find it. The basketball team might need some of it.

David A. Smith 2 years, 6 months ago

Joe, thanks for bringing The Word into an arena where it is highly relevant.

David A. Smith 2 years, 6 months ago

Above, you had the right spirit when you said that name calling is not needed. I appreciated that, like many on this thread. But, then you go on to accuse Joe of being on a high horse. And why? For his mention of The Bible. This is not necessary, either. The Bible does define evil, especially in the New Testament letters and the old books of the law. It would absolutely help.

RJ King 2 years, 6 months ago

David, I was not Bible bashing, but I also misunderstood Joe Ross.

The idea that we should flee from all appearances of evil is a good one. Joe and I can speak from a perch of experience. As adults we've likely encountered "evil" in one form or the other, so it's easy for us to know when to flee.

Most college students and twenty-somethings are still learning that, "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck . . . " And many learn it the hard way.

I initially thought he was chastising the players for not recognizing "evil" on their own. I read too fast his suggestion of classes or instruction. My bad.

I think we're all saying the same thing.

Mike Riches 2 years, 6 months ago

In all fairness, Bragg had actually been arrested when he was suspended, and neither Vick nor Jackson have been.

I do think the optics of all this are not good for Self, a member of the Oversight Committee. On a high note, at this rate his son may be a starter at the University of Kansas soon, something a lot of parents only dream about! :)

Joe Joseph 2 years, 6 months ago

Seriously. Tyler Self is very close to playing significant minutes.

Suzi Marshall 2 years, 6 months ago

It this continues, come Senior Night Tyler may set some sort of PT record for a walk-on.

Joe Ross 2 years, 6 months ago

Christian Moody has that distinction in a choke hold for all eternity.

John Fitzgerald 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm guessing Bragg was suspended because he was actually charged whereas Vick and Jackson have yet to charged with anything. At this point these seem to be just accusations and the KC Star is getting a little to desperate for a story.

Jay Scott 2 years, 6 months ago

Joe. Again, I believe you've misquoted scripture. Did you mean 1 Thessalonians 5:22? "Abstain from every form of evil"? No translation uses the term "flee" or really what you quoted at all. https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/1%20Thessalonians%205:22

Too much "imported" Italian wine at 1AM?

Maybe you have some Doobie Brothers lyrics?

Suzi Marshall 2 years, 6 months ago

Hate to radically diverge from the discussion but IF you really want to get technical about it, the King James version of the Bible is a severe mis-translation from the original Greek-Latin. An interesting example being the use of the word homoousios ("same substance") and the word homoiousios means ("similar substance"). This term was heavily debated during the Nicaean council but the King James Bible misses it completely. However, the English (Edwardians/Victorians) did adapt the idiom "differ not by one iota" from this.

Jay Scott 2 years, 6 months ago

Your link doesn't connect...

My understanding is that the ESV is a more direct and literal translation from the original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. More specifically, it's what my church uses..

Suzi Marshall 2 years, 6 months ago

very good Jay...and you are correct. Try this again. There is a link in the test to more on the ESV. I learned something in this side discussion. I have not made a thorough study of the ESV since it came out in '01. I need to do that asap.

https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/English-Standard-Version-ESV-Bible/

Jay Scott 2 years, 6 months ago

That I could have had some tiny role in helping Suzi Marshall learn something is humbling indeed and a springboard to a great weekend. Hope yours is the same. I always appreciate your ideas and input.

Jim Stauffer 2 years, 6 months ago

Some good points. 1) Yes, everyone should avoid even the appearance of evil. 2) It does appear logical that a renowned newspaper like the Star would have some solid reason to believe this did indeed happen. 3) Yes, it is a head scratcher that neither Vick nor Jackson have been punished by Coach. Since he did punish Bragg when he was actually charged with something or accused of something by Police, it would cause one to conclude there has been no such merit yet applied to the Vick/Jackson case.

Brian Wilson 2 years, 6 months ago

You don't get a diversion without admitting guilt. So Bragg must have come clean. The others have not even been charged.

Ben Berglund 2 years, 6 months ago

I think the reason people here are skeptical are because this also happened on 12/9 (the same night as Carlton's incedent) and seems like it might be the same "victim." Along with also possibly being the same leaker from the Legarald Vick incedent that the University handled which had no criminal charges. I agree with many that there does seem to be an agenda.

While the Good Book has some sagacious advice/rules about living right, this is also a public university and the US has wisely separated Church and State (and not enough separation in my opinion)

Cedric Spire 2 years, 6 months ago

No witnesses no video you have no case! Irresponsible reporting by the KCStar naming players that there is no evidence to support. KCStar attempt to smear the KU basketball program.

David Wanamaker 2 years, 6 months ago

The Kansas City Star is FAKE NEWS. Multiple sources have told...? Really? And not one will go on the record. And they have nothing from the one source that matters most: the police. This is just another reason their birdcage liner will be out of business within 10 years. NOBODY trusts them. Circulation is on a steady decline that will never turn around. And really, Lawrence Journal World, you shouldn't republish their FAKE news.

RJ King 2 years, 6 months ago

Well, I doubt this affects their circulation in any way shape or form. That hand basket traveled South due to loss of revenue to CARS.com, Craig's List, and the volume of on-line real estate sites. Many papers simply cannot afford to hire the top journalists from the Newhouse School or even our beloved William White. They must go with AP stories or local bloggers and beat newbies.

The reality is Fake News is pretty popular these days - from every perspective. Unfortunately, people seem to thrive on it. Instant gratification and drama are often more exciting than the truth.

Jonathan Allison 2 years, 6 months ago

Like sand through an hourglass, these are the days of our lives.

Mike Tackett 2 years, 6 months ago

HCBS has some real issues going on. Sad that it's plural. Time will tell, fake news or not it will come out so don't get your Jockeys in a wad. If you come to KU to get high, get high, if you come to play ball, play ball. Sorry PotHeads, it's the law, you don't get to pick and choose. Considerable amount of damage has been done, only time will tell if it get worse. The university and the athletic department will suffer for all of this.

Glen Miller 2 years, 6 months ago

Two things that concern me here...... the first being that the tabloids, even supposed "trusted" local papers are releasing half arsed reports with little to no information, but have no problem throwing out names. Until we have all the information, why would you even release this? This makes me feel like they just want reads and clicks and makes it hard to take them seriously anymore. The second thing that concerns me is the fact that we supposedly have all of this leadership on our team and we're having more reports of stupidity than ever. I do not recall a singular season in which we had so many reports come out about our players in such a negative light and that's concerning. I will do my best to hold off on my disappointment until all the facts are out, but this is becoming a concern and not something I was expecting as a fan of KU or any other University.

Martin Rosenblum 2 years, 6 months ago

I can see if t he newspaper wants to protect the caller because he requested that treatment. But, that's not what they're saying. I could call a newspaper and make up some far-fetched story and would probably be hung up on by whoever I was talking to. Unless it was a potential bombshell of a scenario that would sell newspapers, but then we would be getting into the National Enquirer style of journalism.

If there were truly an incident where anyone was to blame for a felony, wouldn't it be more prudent to make sure the authorities were informed of all details? Why have a newspaper become the source of information when the whole innocence before guilt concept rests at stake with the police and court system? I first learned about it from CBS Sports app on my phone. The power of some coward who won't identify himself (if that's even true), to be able to have this sort of unsubstantiated information reach a national media outlet is absurd.

We're living in a time where systems and processes are breaking down. Damn that Al Gore for inventing the Internet!

John Fitzgerald 2 years, 6 months ago

Until I see proof any of these guys did anything this is all hog wash to me. It's starting to become apparent someone has a vendetta out for KU. Can't say I blame them... all we do is Win, win, win! No matter what!

Mike Greer 2 years, 6 months ago

Here's how it looks to me, and I quote William Congreve: "Heav'n has no rage like love to hatred turn'd / Nor Hell a fury, like a woman scorn'd."

I have a lot of questions to which there are no available answers, but why during questioning of potential witnesses in an alleged rape case would they be searching Bragg's room, especially if they weren't searching all the rooms? And why do all of this "charges" especially the Vick incident of 2015 come up so long after they occurred? Do these papers check the police reports or just wait for an anonymous tip to come in?

Harlan Hobbs 2 years, 6 months ago

Thank you for your erudite analysis, Mr. Greer. You make excellent points, and ask very good questions. Maybe we will get some answers to your questions rather than a lot of innuendo (the infamous Italian suppository) and speculation.

Adam Collins 2 years, 6 months ago

I agree that it doesn't seem to make sense to drag players' names through the mud unnecessarily which means either 1, The Star is a terrible newspaper (of which I have no evidence) or 2, the "multiple sources" must include at least one person who is reliable and not just a few anonymous phone calls (of which I have no evidence). I'm still going with innocent until proven guilty.

Barry Weiss 2 years, 6 months ago

In the "old days" news organizations would not run stories unless they had some good facts to back up the story. Here, they don't even name the reporter(s), they are just "staff". I call BS on that. Second, if all you want to do is make stories out of "police reports", that's ridiculous. Anyone can file a police report and say anything they want. These things are all so old, I have to thing the police looked into it and decided to go no further. That should tell the news organization that the whole thing was probably BS and not to run their damn story that slanders the player. This stuff just P's me off. Sorry Jayhawk fans for my disgust.

Kent Richardson 2 years, 6 months ago

In the old days news organizations did not have as much competition as they have now. However, their main function was to sell newspapers and needed to keep up appearances and appear truthful so more stringent rules were in place. Now it's a new media world and it's still money driven but a new ball game with electronic immediate access and the quicker and more headline driven than ever with modern rules.

Robert Robinson 2 years, 6 months ago

This just in. Last night someone was walking their dog and let it crap in their neighbors yard. This is in direct violation of city code 443.991. Police do not know the name of the person or the dog. There was a KU basketball home game on the same night meaning the team was in lawrence. The entire team has been named as witnesses.

Suzi Marshall 2 years, 6 months ago

Was this the same dog that was barking at the squirrel on the morning of September 21, 2015 or was seen stealing newspapers from the yard of neighbors? Was the dog owned by a KU student? Perhaps the entire Lawrence PD, KU IOA should launch a full scale investigation, supported by KC Star journalist in search of a grammy...I mean pulitzer.

Mike Greer 2 years, 6 months ago

Robert, I wish that was more far fetched than it sounds. I don't usually subscribe to conspiracy theories, but I may have to make an exception in this particular case.

Better yet, name them as ". . . persons of interest" a term with no legal definition but far more implication.

Titus Canby 2 years, 6 months ago

I just made an anonymous call to the Journal World to tip them off on the dog incident. So I assume it will be reported today or tomorrow.

Even the sports talk radio announcers, those bastions of journalistic integrity, were making fun of the Journal World this morning.

Calder Pickett (for those of you J-School grads) is rolling over in his grave.

Greg Lux 2 years, 6 months ago

I know one thing for sure. "Very little good happens after midnight". Maybe it's time for a player curfew of Midnight. The University of Kansas has invested a lot of money and time in these players and protecting them from themselves and others who could have an agenda to discredit them and the team could be an issue. It maybe time for HCBS to impose a curfew for all of his players so others can't attempt to damage the players and the school.

Rock Chalk

Barry Weiss 2 years, 6 months ago

good job Ryan. One would think the "reporter/journalist" could have checked that out and then they or their editor could have nixed any story like this.

Barry Weiss 2 years, 6 months ago

It's been over 20 years since I lived in Overland Park and went to KU. So I have not read the KC Star in years. What is their beef with KU? Do they ever report on that dumpster fire known as Missouri Athletics?

Jay Scott 2 years, 6 months ago

As far left as they are you would think they would love BGL's KU.

Rob Byrd 2 years, 6 months ago

It seems as if the Kansas City Star has it out for the program, because they reported that JJ and Vick were Persons of Interest when in another story that I read they said that that was NOT true and that they were not indicated as Persons of Interest. As far as the "bong" in Carlton's room, I hope that it is indeed a bong, rather than a crack pipe, because all I've seen is that " glass pipes" with residue, were found in the room. It would be horrifying to have a Len Bias episode hit our family.

Benz Junque 2 years, 6 months ago

Dude, people smoke pot using glass pipes and have for decades.

John Brazelton 2 years, 6 months ago

I think part of the problem is that the new housing arrangement for basketball players that isolates them from everyone else on campus (other athletes, student body, etc.). Unless the coaches are checking up on their players at night, each player can do as he wants in his room (drugs, bar hopping, women, wine and song). It only takes one bad apple to spoil the barrel. Apparently, this team has two bad apples; Bragg and Vick. If this team wasn't so short-handed with players this year, I think Self would have kicked both of them off the team any other year. We now know after the fact, that the Morris twins were heavy pot smokers and even allowed their drug supplier to watch games on their tickets. And then there was JR. So this isn't the first year that Self has had problems with his athletes. Just the most reported.

Jason Brinker 2 years, 6 months ago

So this same thing couldn't have happened in Jayhawk Towers? Really? The new housing has nothing to do with it.

Are there really bad apples on the team? We have one proven incident with Bragg's glassware and residue. And then we have a lot of allegations with very questionable testimonies/evidence to back them up. It's possible the entire 2015 investigation of Vick never happened. Has anybody verified that an investigation happened? Self said he couldn't talk about it. Possibly because he was already aware of some of these other allegations that were being investigated. I could call the Star and say there was an investigation and they'd run with it without having any facts. Let's wait for facts to actually come out before passing judgment. Remember Bragg was guilty of beating his girlfriend for a day in the eyes of many...until video proved him to be innocent.

RJ King 2 years, 6 months ago

Exactly. The only reason the Carlton's bong was discovered was because there was some other search going on. I dare say there are a few other bongs in athletes' rooms across the country just waiting to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

John Fitzgerald 2 years, 6 months ago

The KC Star forgot to name their most credible source: DELUSION.

Ervin O'Neal 2 years, 6 months ago

So Vick and Jackson were allegedly outside the Yacht Club and Vick was damaging a car while Jackson watched. Meanwhile, no one at the Yacht Club was interested in filming a star basketball player smash a windshield and kick a door. But a man (refusing to give his name) says that this is what his daughter told him happened to her car.

If I call the Journal World and tell you a friend told me that none of this is true, will you post that as a story as well?

True or not, the Star and Journal World are not exactly setting good examples here of responsible journalism.

Bert White 2 years, 6 months ago

LMAO @ every time I see a news story about this year's team https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GeCP... pops into my head. It's getting pretty frustrating... But like others have said the timing of a lot of these seems suspicious. Vick's punch and kick happened last season(?) and is just now getting mentioned, and now Vick vandalizing a car months ago... With both stories being found out when the victim's father called the newspaper? Why didn't he report both events at the same time? It more so seems to be a ploy to drag this out and try to smear Vick/the team as long as possible.

Brian Skelly 2 years, 6 months ago

"Sources". Like my pet billy goat? Journalists always have sources, and I can even appreciate keeping them like that. But I do wonder what if the "sources" is actually just one source -- but giving info to multiple reporters... who then "verify" it with each other. Suddenly you multiple sources, even though it might be, or even likely is the same guy.

You also never ever here anything anymore about how papers and news organizations will not run anything until they have MULTIPLE sources. That was once standard practice. Now its long gone. Forget bias, its simply shoddy work. And yet papers do this all the time. There's no real recourse except for cancelling subscriptions. And even then, my guess is most people will still browse the websites of these places. They certainly will claim the story gets "a lot of clicks" with no problem at all.

We shouldnt be naive here though. Stuff likely happened. We just dont know what, and likely wont unless there are charges brought.

Richard Rosberg 2 years, 6 months ago

Sounds like a young Mizzou journalist got a job at the Star. Must have received a brand new shovel for Christmas. Doing a whole lot of diggin over there.

Jonathan Allison 2 years, 6 months ago

information posted on LJworld about the 911 call on the night of Dec. 17.

A McCarthy Hall RA called 911 reporting a "guest" on the 3rd floor was banging on a resident's door and harassing them and reportedly trying to recover her phone.

Police responded to the call.

"It is unclear what time the call was made"????

How is this information not easily available. It is being withheld by either the university or the LJWorld. I assume that it's KU.

Mike Greer 2 years, 6 months ago

Every call into 911 is logged, so there's no question the information is available, at least to someone. Based on the quality of reporting I've seen on this, maybe they didn't bother to ask.

Janet Olin 2 years, 6 months ago

Jesse Newell went to KU and Laura Bauer to SWMU, much as it is tempting to think of other alma maters first.

Kevin Jenkins 2 years, 6 months ago

I really don't know what is going on but, Self should talk to them about everything. Is this a woman out for revenge? Are these newspapers taking over the National Enquire. Or is this team like the old Miami hurricanes, Oklahoma football teams? I don't think so with a coaching staff like Self's. Facts and more facts. These are just young adults and it would not hurt to have someone reinforce their desire to win a national championship. Without all the distractions going on. Use some good old restraint and not put yourself in those situations.

Tim Gershon 2 years, 6 months ago

I read this site everyday and have a ton of respect for Matt and Tom and the rest of the staff. But this article is pure click- baiting garbage . You can tell by the number of comments this article elicited with almost no facts. Heck it got me to comment. It's also cowardly for them to hide behind a "staff reports" bc they know exactly what they're doing.

Also side note- Suzy, Jay, Bryce , Joe have you guys met in person? You talk to eachother everyday I figured by now you would have had a drink before one of the games.

Jay Scott 2 years, 6 months ago

I believe only Bryce lives in the Lawrence area. Suzi lives in Houston and Joe in some parallel dimension near Italy.

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