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Tuesday, December 19, 2017

KU football adds 8th juco prospect, DL Charles Cole, to recruiting class

Kansas University football recruiting

Kansas University football recruiting

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The Kansas football program’s 2018 recruiting class picked up its eighth junior college prospect — and second of the day — Tuesday afternoon, hours ahead of the beginning of the new early signing period.

Butler Community College defensive tackle Charles Cole announced his plan to sign with the Jayhawks via Twitter, along with a photo of him wearing a KU uniform.

Cole had declared four days earlier his final three potential college choices: Kansas, UNLV and Memphis.

Rivals rates the 6-foot-3, 280-pound defensive lineman from Ypsilanti, Mich., as a three-star talent.

In his recently completed sophomore season at Butler, Cole made 19 total tackles and 3.0 tackles for loss, in 11 games.

Cole visited KU during the first weekend of December.

The defensive tackle made his non-binding commitment to KU hours after another junior college prospect, defensive end Azur Kamara (Arizona Western College), did the same.

Cole and Kamara bring the number of juco prospects in KU’s list of potential signees to eight, joining defensive end Foster Dixson (West Los Angeles Community College), defensive back Davon Ferguson and safety Jeremiah McCullough (Hartnell College), cornerback Elmore Hempstead (Fort Scott Community College), receiver Stephon Robinson (El Camino Community College) and defensive end Najee Stevens-McKenzie (ASA College).

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Comments

Matthew Gaylor 10 months ago

8 JUCOs, 6 HS players. Yeah, the next coach is screwed and will start 2 recruiting classes behind. The program will be in the same hole Beaty was in when he took over. So these, what will be last 4 years, will all be wasted with no progress actually made

Jim Stauffer 10 months ago

Deeply researched and well thought out, reasoned response, Matthew. Your eight year old type this for you?

Kevin Studer 10 months ago

I guess Jim really loves JUCO guys.

Bryson Stricker 10 months ago

At this point, you are feeding the idiots of this messaging board with every reason to think we are going to be in the same hole we were in 2014-15 moving into 15-16.. If you are going to post these lopsided headlines and stuff, please do us the pleasure of informing us what actually got us to where we were with no damn scholarships and not a full roster.

Not a SINGLE fan on this messaging board knows exactly what got us here, now you're just using scare tactics in the articles to make us think it is happening again.

John Fitzgerald 10 months ago

Why are you so defensive, Bryson? Benton is simply writing about the new commit.

Bryson Stricker 10 months ago

I'm annoyed at the added emphasis on them being listed as JUCO. We damn know they are JUCO players and we damn know we need our defense to get their sh** together starting yesterday. What Beaty is doing currently will not be bad in the long haul if played correctly.

John Fitzgerald 10 months ago

It’s a fact that he’s a JUCO player. And I have a hunch it’s Benton’s job to report correctly and not half ass his job to avoid offending people. I don’t think he’s taking a stab at Beaty or the KU Football program. He’s simply informing KU fans of a new commit that happens to be a JUCO player.

Len Shaffer 10 months ago

John, haven't you learned by now that we're living in an age when facts don't matter. Only "alternative facts" count. And if Mr. Stricker is upset with being informed about the facts, he's well within his rights to choose to be upset about that "fact."

Kevin Studer 10 months ago

Bryson, you seriously wanted the article to leave out the very significant detail of where the player is coming from? That would literally be the first time in history a recruiting article did that. Talk about a weird demand.

Joe Norgay 10 months ago

So kindly explain to us how loading up on JuCos isn't creating the same problem that Weis created for us...

Andy Tweedy 10 months ago

I don't like the JUCO route either, so don't take this as an argument. But I'd propose the bigger problem with Weiss' JUCO recruiting was he was giving away scholarships to players who never played a down for KU. The number of complete flops was astounding. JUCO guys have worked out pretty well over in Manhattan, so simply the fact they are JUCO guys isn't the entirety of the problem I'd say.

Jeff Coffman 10 months ago

You only get 25 recruits a year. When you have a high school person they are able to stay 4-5 years, meaning you can have 125 players with attrition of about 40 (or ten a year) for injury, grades, or bust. If you go with JUCOS, you only get them for 2-4 years, most on average are two years. If you get them every two years, you drop down to a faster velocity and you only get 75 rolling through the 5 years outfit, this doesn't complete an 85 man scholarship roster, neither does it give you development opportunities. Even with walk-ons and some 3 year players, you might get up to 85, but you are not getting up to your 125. This is why JUCOs hurt you in the long run. They can be strategic for a surprise change, but they can't be used to build a program.

Jim Stauffer 10 months ago

Because Beaty's Jucos are far different than Weis'. In case you haven't noticed the jucos Beaty has signed show up and play.

Kevin Studer 10 months ago

If Beaty's JUCO players were so much better than Weis', Weis wouldn't have a better record at KU than Beaty.

Adam Engelbrecht 10 months ago

You sound REAL upset dude. I don't really know why. The title of the article is literally straight facts.

No reason to get upset about that. What you should be upset about is the boat that David Beaty and team sold you isn't what you're getting. Even if THIS isn't the reason the team got to where it was (is), BEATY IS DOING EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE SAID WOULD FIX THE PROGRAM.

Matthew Gaylor 10 months ago

What got KU in the hole was A) Weis kicked 20+ players off the team when he got there because they were able to do anything they wanted under Gill, including not showing up to class, smoking weed in the locker rooms, etc. B) Weis recruiting top JUCO players who then didn't qualify and never made it to campus and C) Weis not putting effort into recruiting HS players who actually could make it.

So when Weis did that, the scholarship numbers decreased all around. What Beaty is doing, is recruiting JUCO players, so that the class of 2018 will have 6 or so HS commits. By their senior year, unless you throw on a ton of JUCO players and transfers, KU will end up with a senior class like this year.

What my issue is, Beaty knows it's now or never, even you would agree with this. The AD knows its now or never. So should Beaty fail, he'll be fired. The next coach isn't going to have a great class next year (you can look up almost any team who is transitioning coaches, the recruiting class #s are fairly different from before, usually worse by 10 in the rankings). So throw in this years class being bad (it's currently 10th in the Big 12, 71st in the nation) and next years being bad, KU's going to be in around the same hole they were in when Beaty took over. Tons of players leaving, very few young players coming in

David A. Smith 10 months ago

Very well said. Muscle memory, and a robust desire to prove to the world that KU needs to fire everyone, is clouding the judgement of anxious fans. There are major programs that would have taken these guys. Lets see if they can play. And, lets not blame the current regime for the sins of 2 former coaches.

John Brazelton 10 months ago

Most of these JUCOs can be re-shirted if they don't make the #1's or #2's during spring and fall camps and will be around for two years. A couple are three-year players which is as good as a HS freshman who will take a couple years to reach the playing field. We still have 5 or 6 scholarships available after the early signing period to recruit additional HS recruits.

Jeff Coffman 10 months ago

Actually they aren't as good as HS players, you can build a 125 man roster with HS, but only a 75 man roster with JUCOs, the supplement is hard to build with so many JUCOs.

Joe Norgay 10 months ago

“You win with seniors that you’ve had four years. You don’t get stuff for free. It don’t come overnight. It takes time. And developing guys takes time,” Beaty said. “We talked about it a long time ago: We’re not going to cut corners, and cutting corners is trying to get rich quick. We’re not trying to do that.”

Those are Beaty's own words. Once again, we're only holding these people accountable to their own words. If most of these JuCo players can play multiple years as John says above, great. But it sure as hell doesn't sound like Beaty is doing what he said he was gonna do. And if he's had to change his approach, that's only because of how he's performed. That's entirely on him.

John Fitzgerald 10 months ago

I’m pretty sure only one of the JUCO guys has 3 years of eligibility. The rest are 2 if I remember right.

Andy Tweedy 10 months ago

I think what you say is completely fair! At this point, it kind of feels like he should tag line this class with "the calvary is coming" cuz it sounds an awful like something we've seen before.

Kevin Robert Fest 10 months ago

What a bunch of Hypocrites we have on this message board. All I hear is that it takes time to develop these players, these players need years to develop in the program to be able to play Big 12 Football. If you take a recruit out of high school and you Redshirt him that gives him at least 4 years maybe 5 if they stay till his senior season, how is a kid going to develop if he's only in the program 2 years or 3 years? Like I said according to this website it takes time for these players to develop and they need to be in the program a number of years in order to be effective. But now everyone is defending Beaty on taking jucos who most of them only have two years of eligibility it just seems like no matter what this guy does there's somebody standing around the corner waiting to defend him regardless of how it looks regardless of how it affects the program.Stop puckering up and open your eyes.

Len Shaffer 10 months ago

Not "everyone," Kevin, just a handful of holdouts who probably are still convinced that the earth is flat. 90% of us can see the handwriting on the wall and know full well that there's absolutely no hope for the 2018 season ...

Kevin Robert Fest 10 months ago

Very truer Lenl apologize l dont want to paint everyone here with a broad brush.

Austin Lopez 10 months ago

This class that beaty is putting together is starting to remind me more and more of that terrible 2013 JuCo Class!!!

Kevin Robert Fest 10 months ago

Somebody please name one ONE Juco player Beaty brought to the program in the last couple of years that made a huge difference. Also a majority of the players on the field are hs recruits if the jucos are recruited and they can't beat out a high schooler already on the field what is the point? All of the players named to the all conference team were from high school...Wise, Armstrong and Dineen. And Dineen started on special teams and worked his way up the depth chart before he got hurt. Do they need so many recruits on the d line? The o line is what is concerning and they have 2 recruits there. When the qbs are running for their life again next year and the oline cant block 5 on 3 this years class will be noted for having a ton of dline and no oline recruits. This doesn't prove to anyone that Beaty doesn't know what he is doing?

[''] 10 months ago

No oversight by Zenger. They don't care about 2021 because they won't be here.

Dyrk Dugan 10 months ago

Kevin, here’s two: Stewart and Ogletree, very good corners from the first class in 2015. Let’s see who actually signs tomorrow (or not so we can pursue in Feb.), and get as many guys in here at semester as we can, and start getting into shape and ready for the season. The coach is the coach folks; he deserves to be able to see what he can do with his kids.

Jeff Coffman 10 months ago

Was that the team that didn't win a game, or the team that won two games...I believe they were both ranked in the bottom 125 in defense. Good picks to shine a light on how poor our defense is and two players that didn't provide a growth for the defense of the future.

Sean Kelly 10 months ago

Sadly, I think the staff has been forced to go heavy with the JUCO defenders in an attempt to recover from the mass exodus of HS commits, in addition to the likely departures of Wise and Armstrong. At one time, they had 5-6 DL commits from the HS ranks, down to 2.

Just a thought...

Jeff Coffman 10 months ago

So they weren't preparing for the preseason big xii player of the year to likely be gone after another season? That seems like horrible planning from a talent management perspective.

Richard Duran 10 months ago

This guy was hired because he was a brilliant recruiter. He has now run off two QBs, redshirted a very good prospect (Starks) who hasn't seen the field and brought in 4 transfers. Last year Ohio and Central Michigan started 5th year seniors on the Oline and we had two true sophomores and a freshman. And now he is bringing in 8 JUCO defenders? Did we not learn anything from Charlie Tuna? There's a reason these guys are at JUCOS. There's a reason Christ and Heaps were available.

And this entire staff are boneheads. Herbert goes for 300 yards against WVU. Do we stick with the ground game? No. Next game we go back to 2 yard receiver screens and 30 second 3 and outs. Have we forgotten 21 total yards vs. TCU?

Beatty has to go. And soon.

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