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Sunday, September 18, 2016

Keegan

Tom Keegan: Football heading south under Kansas athletic director Sheahon Zenger

Kansas University chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little, left, shakes hands with new head football coach David Beaty, right, after an introductory press conference Monday, Dec. 8, 2014, at the Anderson Family Football Complex at KU in Lawrence, Kan. Beaty, the wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator at Texas A&M, was hired by KU Friday. At center is Sheahon Zenger, KU director of athletics.

Kansas University chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little, left, shakes hands with new head football coach David Beaty, right, after an introductory press conference Monday, Dec. 8, 2014, at the Anderson Family Football Complex at KU in Lawrence, Kan. Beaty, the wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator at Texas A&M, was hired by KU Friday. At center is Sheahon Zenger, KU director of athletics.

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As a rule, college football coaches need five years to establish a culture and have a roster completely made up of their recruits before they can be judged by their records.

Yet, it’s not unusual for athletic directors to reach a verdict sooner than that if they don’t see signs of improvement in the areas of recruiting, development and/or game-day coaching.

Kansas head coach David Beaty, two years into a five-year contract that pays him $800,000 annually and has a $1.6 million buyout that shrinks to $800,000 after four years, is 25 percent of the way into that five-year standard and has a 1-14 record. Thus far, the only evidence of improvement has come in recruiting, especially by upgrading team speed.

Athletic director Sheahon Zenger, on the other hand, is in his fifth season as boss of football coaches that he hired, or 85 percent of the way into the five-year judgment standard.

Whereas Charlie Weis could blame the shape of the program he inherited on Turner Gill — and to his credit never did — and Beaty can blame Weis — and to his credit never does — the state of the football program falls squarely on the athletic director’s desk.

Zenger is the first Kansas athletic director since Dutch Lonborg to fire one of his own hires (Chuck Mather). Lonborg atoned for that mistake by hiring Jack Mitchell.

Zenger’s job security is as sound as Kansas football performs under Beaty. If reading that sentence doesn't make the newspaper in Zenger's hands shake, nothing ever will.

In the wake of Saturday’s thoroughly embarrassing 43-7 loss to Memphis, Beaty said something that had to make Zenger cringe the way he must have when Weis sat in harsh judgment of his own abilities as a college offensive coordinator in the age of spread offenses.

In both cases, the Kansas head football coach made a stunning admission about his deficiencies. In both cases, the remark was aimed 100 percent at the mirror, but indirectly reflected the judgment of the man who hired them.

Midway through his second season at Kansas, Weis initially turned over the passing game to quarterbacks coach Ron Powlus and the run game to tight ends coach Jeff Blazko, but it still was Weis’ offense. Weeks later, Weis acknowledged the need for a new offensive coordinator and said the spread was the way to go and it was outside his area of expertise. Translation: The college game had passed him by when Zenger hired him.

Beaty put KU’s second consecutive ugly nonconference loss on himself, saying shortly after the slaughter’s merciful conclusion: “I’ve got to get better. I’ve got to get a lot better because obviously what we’re doing right now is not working.”

Translation: Zenger hired an assistant coach not yet ready for all that the head coach position entails at Kansas.

Beaty moved up the timetable on judgment of his performance when he demoted offensive coordinator Rob Likens and took over the duties himself. By doing so, Beaty made the evaluation that if given a new offense played at a faster pace, the Jayhawks could become more difficult to defend.

It hasn’t worked out that way. Six of the 72 plays Kansas ran in Memphis ended in a turnover and quarterback Montell Cozart committed three of them with two interceptions and an unforced fumble.

Nothing that happened in KU’s season-opening, 55-6 rout of Rhode Island can be taken seriously because the Rams (0-3) also were hammered by Albany, 35-7, and Harvard, 51-21.

Just as Zenger won’t get a chance to hire a third football coach, Beaty isn’t likely to get a shot at hiring a third offensive coordinator. So he either gets “a lot better,” or the next AD hires his replacement well before his five years are up.

Barring a stunning October surprise — Carter Stanley gets his shot and somehow leads a blocking-challenged Kansas offense to unforeseen heights — the Jayhawks appear headed toward a 2-10 or 1-11 record.

If it’s 1-11, that would make Zenger’s five-year record overseeing football coaches that he hired 8-52, the worst five-year stretch in the history of Kansas football.

Comments

Randy Bombardier 1 year ago

Whoa. That's telling it like it is. Wow. Great job. Hard but true. Where the buck really stops. You are ON, Sir.

Daniel Kennamore 1 year ago

slow clap

Seriously the exact kind of biting truth telling the ljworld should have been doing since Turner Gill days.

Bravo.

Brett McCabe 1 year ago

Beaty was a big, big risk. If we go 1-11, the recruiting class will not hold together - not a chance. It was a mistake to not build on our strengths: a returning starter at QB and an evolved offense, not yet another new one.

We squandered the non-con by not picking a QB, and installing a new offense, and playing fruit-basket turnover with the depth chart all the way up to game day.

One of the things I liked about Bowen's interim gig was his decisiveness. Michael, you are the QB. We wear blue and grey at home. And this is how we operate offensively and defensively. From a stable foundation, no matter how small, you can start to build. We weren't great down the stretch, but at least we had an identity on which to build.

My recommendation on the next football coach hire is to put it in the hands of Neeli Bendapudi, by all accounts our Chancellor-in-waiting and, by most accounts, a super-sharp administrator. I honestly think that she'd get it right.

Suzi Marshall 1 year ago

After reading over Bendapudi's bio (www.news.ku.edu/2016/05/13/ku-school-...), I don't see anything indicating she knows anything about managing a university or sports programs. I'm even skeptical about her service provider research program, since she has only been in academia her whole career. She looks like a David Beaty type ...unproven assistant coach

Jay Scott 1 year ago

Don't be silly Suzi. Real world experience isn't important anymore. She says she cares about the children and fairness. That's all that matters.

As soon as she hires a football coach she should be Secretary of State.

Al Martin 1 year ago

Well, I had hoped that you would be satisfied with being an infantile jackass in the basketball forum. Too bad, it was pretty reasonable over here without you.

Jay Scott 1 year ago

Your comments define "infantile jackass". Are you a real person or just another fake user ID of a known loon?

Jeff Soisson 1 year ago

Our strategy of replacing coaches has not worked since before and after Mangino, Beaty can recruit and we need to accept that to fix this will take 5-10 years. We should actually believe Beaty has skills after all the assistants that were poached from him for more money in the off season. They might not have left if they felt there would be some longer term stability here. They have resumes to protect too.

To me, it is a more constructive conversation for Beaty and Zenger to talk to the school officials about what coaches we want to supplement the coaches we have now and improve with new assistants every few years.

Nick Saban has like 30 coaches on that Alabama team, coordinators, coaches assistants and consultants. There are no limits from the NCAA on number of coaches they can have which is ridiculous and another issue.

Not suggesting we need that many but we need a longer term view. Do you all want 1 bowl or many bowls? 6 wins is all we need to bowl. Then we can talk about higher aspirations.

Joe Ross 1 year ago

The NCAA spells out how many coaches and what types of coaches a football team may employ in Article 11 of its rulebook.

Jeff Soisson 1 year ago

OK, Not going to argue with Joe, I admit I am not an expert on Article 11 but when ESPN says Saban's staff is the largest in college football, how can that be and what can be said about the job roles? (ie consultants, staff specialists, directors, managers, administrators, this title, that title, not called coaches)

ESPN said he has the largest staff in college football, last week in fact, not me. Maybe Article 11 needs an update.

Joe Ross 1 year ago

Im not arguing. And I have nothing against you. Thats the Gods honest truth. And perhaps youre right: it may be that his staff is larger. Just making a point that the number of actual coaches is limited by rule.

Calvin Miller 1 year ago

Those assistants from 2015 weren't poached. They left for better job security because they saw what was going to happen after no wins in 2015.

What "quality" coordinators or assitants would be willing to work under a rookie HC who has shown no signs of ability to actually manage a P5 program.

5-10 years?? Beaty won't last more than 3 years, maybe only 2.

Joe Ross 1 year ago

Agreed, Tom. Unlike Gloria Gaynor, Beaty will not survive.

I should have changed that stupid lock I should have made you leave your key If I had known for just one second You'd be back to bother me

Go on now, go! walk out the door Just turn around now 'Cause you're not welcome anymore

you see (us) Somebody new (we're) not that chained up little (fan base) still in love with you

And yes. Zenger has improved neither the basketball team (admittedly hard to do) nor the football team (a far shot easier). Find a guy who can win a game once in a while. Kansas football is the best high school team in the nation.

Maybe.

Doug Wallace 1 year ago

With all due respect I ask what Mens team in the Big 12 have won any major sports Championships since our conference started imploding in 2010?.Basketball NO Football NOT QUITE hell since 2010 the only ones have been Texas Mens Swimming.The whole Big 12 mens sports have not lived up to expectation not just here but everywhere

The only National championships recently the Big 12 have got were Womens Basketball and Softball and KU Womens Track.

Joe Ross 1 year ago

I agree. To an extent. If winning national championships is your standard, that is. But Zenger's job is to find a guy that can win a road game. Or get a rare conference victory. We could even make the case for not getting blown out so often. Clearly, Kansas' stuggles are of a nature unlike the rest of the conference's.

Doug Wallace 1 year ago

Winning the National Championship well it is not the whole standard per se but here is the thing. The conference instability and the fact that since the departure of the teams we lost we have not had a NC in Mens Major sports. No offense to the other sports, but it hurts Kansas recruiting a bit heck even the rest of the teams to a extent if someone wants to go to a winning program.

Now on Zenger and getting a guy like you say win a road game yeah I Agree on that I Do Not think it is the lack of effort on his part.This KU football thing and repairing it is kind of like a onion so many ugly layers.You know like Ive said many of times Zenger has been trying to update/upgrade so much of KU Athletics beyond Men's basketball, and he has done that in many ways to other sports here.Football is just a different beast.The football field upgrades and the soon to be big Memorial Stadium upgrades I Do Not think would have happened under any other AD. The football mess left BY Gil,Weis, heck even Mangino to a point is just gonna take time and firing a coach every 2 years or getting a new AD Every couple of years aint going to solve it!

We just go to bite the bullet for a couple of years to see how Beaty does unfortunately!Just wont happen overnight.

Stephen Young 1 year ago

I never played competitive football, and I know nothing about what it takes to be successful in coaching at the Big XII level. But, seriously, isn't it WAY, WAY too premature to be evaluating the head football coach's abilities?.

Yes, I listened with increasing dejection to the Memphis game on the radio, but the ugly truth is (or at least seems to my inexperienced eye to be) that we don't have a lot of Big XII-caliber talent. Obviously, the coaches can't and won't say that, but they DO seem to be making strides in recruitment.

Mangino had peaked and his heavily publicized liabilities (alleged player mistreatment, anger issues, ...) rendered him unlikely ever to bottle lightning again; the fact that he is out of coaching, again, says something, Gill was a good man who seemed to be in over his head. Weis inherited a bad situation and made it much worse.

Let's give Head Coach Beaty the time he needs; I continue to believe he will get the job done. Mr. Keegan is correct in suggesting that Dr. Zenger's performance, fairly or not, needs to be evaluated on this hire. Our AD is doing good things, but we cannot afford for him to go 0-2 in hiring for this vital position.

Joe Ross 1 year ago

The problem is the realization that long-term improvement is required must rest upon solid decision making in the meantime. Not starting Cozart, for example, who had proven last year AND the year before that he is not the quarterback to lead the Jayhawks, is a poor judgment that Beaty is responsible for right now!. This is not a time-dependent decision. He needs to be benched. Other quarterbacks--Willis, Carter--will certainly make mistakes as they take the field. But Cozart, unlike either of these two, has proven already that he will not learn from his mistakes and he's killing us. What's more, the pair of quarterbacks who are largely inactive are the future of the program for the foreseeable future, and they're seeing limited action. Third, Cozart's talent is being wasted when he is gifted with athleticism that can be used elsewhere. These are not things that fall in line under the category of Beaty needing more time. In fact, these issues argue against an extension of his tenure. The same goes for the way he has shifted responsibilities among the staff. If you're going to do that, there better be some improvement. Otherwise, the team is just continually being confronted with new plan after new plan, and the adjustment is inefficient and wastes valuable practice time. But there has been no improvement, and in fact things may be getting worse statistically.

Again, the notion that a long-term fix is required must be a decision considered independently from the progress that a coach has the ability to make. If Beaty can't make progress game to game, year to year, then there is no prospect of long-term improvement.

Joe Ross 1 year ago

Correction: starting Cozart is a poor judgment

Len Shaffer 1 year ago

Very well said, Joe.

In addition, there was something that Beaty did last year that NO ONE has talked about. I can't remember who it was against or the exact situation, but I remember that it was in the middle of the second quarter and KU was way behind as usual. Beaty was standing next to the ref and waiting for the play clock to click down to 1, at which point he called a timeout. He was acting like it was the end of a close game, and I could see no reason whatsoever for him doing that. Does anyone else remember that? I was shocked that no one mentioned it at the time, either in the reports about the game or in the comments. I thought it was one of the most bizarre things I'd ever seen, and I would love to have known what Beaty's reasoning was for it.

Cora Smith 1 year ago

Concur. Mangino did not win until he was 5 years into the program. We look like buffoons if we go after our coach now. No legitimate candidate would consider this black hole.

Gary Denning 1 year ago

Your statement is simply not true. We were 6-6 and went to the Tangerine Bowl in Mangino's second year. In other words, it is possible to show improvement early after being hired. I'm not expecting a bowl game this year or next, but some signs of improvement should be a realistic expectation.

Doug Cramer 1 year ago

Beaty screwed up by going with Cozart. He's got a guy in Willis who showed accuracy and dam good leadership - command of a terrible offense as a true freshman last season, and he goes with a guy who has absolutely stunk it up the past 3 seasons. I don't get it !

Unbelievable.

I was a big supporter of Beaty getting hired here. Man was I wrong.

Beaty needs to commit his loyalties to Willis, and stabilize this offense.

Seriously - how many seasons are we gonna have to watch Cozart and Clint Bowen stink it up? I bet this football team couldn't even beat most FCS schools.

So disappointed. Thought we were going to take a step up this season.

David Kemp 1 year ago

I'm not a Bowen fan but don't put him in that category. His defense was decent. Cozaart and Beatys offense were offensive. Furthermore Willis is not the answer, no foot speed necessary to function behind a bad line.

Gerry Butler 1 year ago

Willis is MUCH MUCH more the answer at the QB then Cozart.- - - - Cozart's decision making isjust horrible. He is an interception looking for a place to happen. I would even Carter over Cozart at this point and time

Joe Ross 1 year ago

Youre right of course. But one needs to press the issue further and ask which among the three available quarterbacks is the leader for the future. While the answer may not be known in the cases of Willis and Carter, clearly Cozart is ruled out. When Beaty got the news that Cozart would be granted an extra year of eligibility, he should have immediately started getting to work at making him a receiver or a corner. I agree with you 100%

Larry Jackson 1 year ago

Doug, I sure wish I could disagree with you. Unfortunately, I cannot agree more. I was so hoping Cozart was finished at QB forever. This 1 decision has me wondering about Beaty's judgement. When Weis made this same decision he was finished in my book. I hate to beat a dead horse.. but Micheal Cummins is the only QB in the last 5 years to even resemble an offense at KU. Wies discarded his value, and Beaty for Cozart? I just do not understand.

Gerry Butler 1 year ago

Doug I fully believe your right or for the most part anyways. - -Cozart let me say this as plainly as possible-- plain enough even a turtle could understand Cozart IS NOT I repeat IS NOT our QB never has been never will be, just some really really crazy decisions. I agree Willis should be the starting QB for sure, gained lots of experience LAST year when thrown into the fire, much better then Cozart. The sad thing is I believe now all coach has done is shaken up Willis confidence in him-self. He looked like he was going to be a leader for us - -now he has to regain that because of this dam two QB system. Hand the team over to Willis and be done with it PERIOD.. Hell I fully think Willis should be the nu 1 QB and move Stanley up to backup and find another position on the filed for Cozart he is NOT A COLLEGE QB plain and simple. Willis has the arm strength Stanley has the arm strength when are we going to get away from this vertical BS, got vertical for gosh sakes this wide out screens is crazy little 2 and 3 yard pass what the hell. Plus this is surpose to be a hurry up spread offense keeping the defense off guard? If that's a hurry up offense I would sure the hell hate to see a very controlled offense just really sad. Time to turn the ball over to Willis and let him go, - - -just say you ARE our QB no if an's or but's about it we sure the heck won't do any worse, continue if anything to get Stanley some reps - -but no more COZART

Micky Baker 1 year ago

I agree Doug. I was hoping for Willis to be the number one guy out the gate. We can't waste him any more. He needs to be the guy and get the rest of this season as the starter with two more years to grow after that. He can get us to a bowl by 2018.

Doug Wallace 1 year ago

Zenger has been a great AD in many ways both academically and sports wise.I think if you want to look at a school at one time were like us in being a 1 trick pony look at Louisville for a role model school.IT WILL ALSO TAKE ALL KU FANS TO CARE BEFORE AND AFTER BASKETBALL SEASON ENDS TO CARE ABOUT ALL KU SPORTS NOT JUST US PEOPLE IN BOARDS LIKE THIS TO CARE ABOUT ALL KU SPORTS LIKE LOUISVILLE NOW DOES.Look at any major winning school not only are they just good in football, they are good in other sports, I think Zenger has tried to make us like that except it hasnt happened in football yet!Hang in there.

Rock Chalk Park, the track and softball field are awesome.The RCP was brought by Zenger.That 1st class Track Under Zenger KU ladies have won track National Championship.Hey the softball has been playing good.Baseball has had some good moments KU Womens Vollyball and getting to the Final 4 remember that last year?.We know what he has done with the Basketball And he is getting all of KU Athletics the upgrades and updates that have not been done for a long long time.Its not all gloom and doom people!

I know things havent worked out in wins. I Hear you. Ok on football lets give Zenger credit on some good things here already that he made happen that should had been done along time ago.

1,)He got rid of that track on the field.We were one of the very few D1 teams that still had it he got rid of that.No other AD or hell even Mangino didnt ask to get rid of that.

2.)Look at the upgrades Zenger has brought to the football facilities.And he is the one who is trying to give the real good upgrade to the stadium which hasnt happened in god knows when.No one has even tried or gave a damn before him. Its always been Basketball Basketball Basketball.People the football stadium has to be upgraded after the Big 12 implodes which it will, we need a good stadium.Look at Colorado their football program has been bad for a while and look at where they are they got a nice football stadium.

Ok with that being said Beaty as a coach give it time folks remember to the Mangino is god fans it took 4 year to get to a winning record under him remember.Anyhow in terms of Beaty coaching the defense is better on offense he has to give up his reign and stronghold of it and let Likens run it.And please Dump Cozart make him Meier part 2 make him a RB/WR.Your defense is doing better because you let the assistants handle matters,and you are not hovering over them

Folks hang in there I DO NOT THINK Zenger should be thrown out because of the football.Zenger has tried to bring credibility to all of KU Sports and he has had some success.Like I said he has upgraded all of KU Sports facilities. I Think he will get the football together in due time.

Brett McCabe 1 year ago

Doug, there is no argument that Zenger has done many exceptional things while A.D. His own analogy that he needed to clear the deck of a bunch of high-priority projects is a good one, and he's accomplished much of what he's tackled. Kudos, kudos, kudos.

The challenge in today's environment is this: at the end of the day, basically one thing matters. And that's the thing that he's gotten wrong. Look at it this way, in some of the most recent Big 12 expansion talk, there are rumors that we may add two new "football only" schools. While this may or may not happen, just the existence of the concept alone shows how important football is on the athletic landscape (not that I agree with it).

The challenge for me comes when you look at the two hires - both controversial in their own way. First, a failed head coach with no ties to the Big 12 plus a guy who was a bad offensive coordinator in Florida. Second, an inexperienced position coach that really would have been on no one else's radar in the country. Give credit to Zenger for not being hemmed in by traditional screening processes....I guess.

As an alternative to both hires, Gary Barnett actively and publicly campaigned for the position, Frank Solich surely would have considered it, Warriner was available - and others.

At the end of the season, there will one of two scenarios, either a 1-11 (or 2-10) KU team that is competitive, has moved it's statistical measurements up a tick from last season and has a reasonably solid recruiting class orally committed. Or the alternative, a team with the same record but one that looks like it's spinning its wheels in the mud.

If it's the latter, it would be hard to argue in favor of Zenger getting it right the second time around.

Calvin Miller 1 year ago

Didn't take MM 4 years. KU went the Tangerine Bowl after MM's second year. Technically, not a winning season, but any KU football supporter would recommend giving Beaty a lifetime contract if he approached that.

David Kemp 1 year ago

Compare the 2 Memphis games. Last year we went up against nfl caliber qb and national bowl contender. We also had 0 talent and physically way overmatched but still looked fair. Fast forward, they say we are bigger stronger faster and more talented, and we commit 6 tos and look offensively LOST. Offense mvp was the punter. Take away ri game and offense will score less than last year and this is all on Beaty. Good recruiter not hc material no matter how many years we give this.

Robert Brock 1 year ago

Zenger should have been fired after the Weis fiasco. No excuse.

Suzi Marshall 1 year ago

If KU football continues on this path the remainder of the season, sadly Zenger is likely to be the casualty. Beaty's fate will be in the hands of the new AD.

Big 12 football is taking a huge hit in prestige this year. I'm skeptical expansion will be able to save the league. For Kansas to survive as a Power 5 school our basketball program needs to shine brighter than ever, which is an incredible statement to make, these next few years ... till about 2022. Also, Kansas needs to show some aggressive overtures toward the football program and improving our academic rankings.

Kansas' standing as a university is in a tough position. We need stellar leadership from a new chancellor and AD.

John Fitzgerald 1 year ago

You nailed it Suzi. Football brings in the most money to the conferences, and if we can't put together a competitive football team that earns the conference money, we'll be axed and left in the cold.

John Fitzgerald 1 year ago

After the Rhode Island game my gf, who knows nothing about KU football, or football in general for that matter, looked at me and said "they suck." And I asked, "who, Rhode Island?". And she said, "well yes, but KU too." We just won 55-6.

But, having said that, I don't think we should call for Beaty to be fired. If anyone needs fired, it's Zenger. Find an AD that has a ton of experience in resurrecting a football program or at least someone who has a ton of experience in being a part of an elite program, and also knows how an elite program runs and what an elite program needs. We didn't pay Beaty nearly as much as we could have, so use some of that to lure a quality AD here. I don't just think Beaty can be a great HC someday, I know he can. He just needs some better direction just like all great HC's have needed. But the reality is we can't keep going the wrong direction. It needs fixed ASAP and Zenger has shown he's not the man for the job.

Mark Kostner 1 year ago

What really stings about this loss is it was to a school the dysfunctional Big 12 rejected. Although Kansas is one of the best if not the best basketball school of all time, football is the sport schools are judged by. When the Big 12 was on the verge of splitting up there was talk about KU not being in one of the power conferences at all. That could still happen. There is also talk from time to time of KU going to the Big Ten. I think it belongs there, but would the Big 10 take KU with the football program in the shape it's in? The question seems to be can the basketball program carry the water for the football program? I joke with my friends that WSU could beat KU in football! Here's one for everyone to consider--if Fort Hays and Pittsburg can produce national champions why can't KU? And finally how many ex coaches are still on the payroll? KU really does need to get it together!

Ryan Woods 1 year ago

I think we're all forgetting KU hired Beaty for cheap. Paul Rhodes makes nearly three times what Beaty does. It was a low risk, high potential hire. We all know KU is trying to climb out of a hole. Let's all be patient.

Bryce Landon 1 year ago

Paul Rhoades isn't at Iowa State anymore.

Ryan Woods 1 year ago

You're right, I wasn't paying attention when I looked at an old list. Campbell only makes $2M. So 2 and 1/2 times what Beaty makes.

Tim Nesbitt 11 months, 3 weeks ago

What does what we're paying Beaty have to do with anything? We hired him at that price because he lacked head coaching experience, and we wanted to be able to get out of the contract without having to pay fortune to do so.

I like Beaty, and I think long term he could get things turned around, but we need a quick turnaround, and I don't think he can do it as quickly as we need to. It's not as if we would have paid Beaty $2 million a year that he'd all of a sudden start winning games.

We need to do what we should have done after we fired Weis, which is hire Jim Leavitt who will kill two birds with one stone.

  1. You get a proven coach who has won at a smaller school and who has worked with some very bright coaches (Bill Snyder and Jim Harbaugh).

  2. You keep him from getting hired as KSU's next head football coach when Snyder retires.

We don't have time to wait for another two years, because Snyder will be retiring sooner rather than later, and Leavitt is no doubt our best chance for getting things turned around quickly.

Joe Ross 1 year ago

When Tom starts quoting salary numbers, the handwriting is on the wall...

Michael Leiker 1 year ago

I really like Beaty and want to see him do well, but I said on here the first day it was announced that the possibility that Cozart seeing meaningful playing time was on the table has to set off big alert signals in the minds of this AD. It truly is a special kind of insanity to trot that guy out there to start a football game.

Cozart pulled his move that drives me crazier than anything has in a long time on Saturday. 1st quarter, does a nice job scrambling to the right to get the first down, has it, has a blocker in front of him and the next defender 5 yards down field. What does he do, runs at a 90 degree angle out of bounds. He just doesn't get who he is, he is disposable, you need every yard you can get. It sets such a poor example of the attitude that it's going to take to get this thing moving in the right direction.

On Beaty, the problem is that he's shown his self doubt. The moves to take over these responsibilities from the coaches show that he doesn't have the confidence needed to convey a consistent message to his team. As soon as you've shown that you doubt your own decision and plan you lose the ability to be an effective coach. Not being able to make a decision on a QB is another way he has shown his lack of confidence in his own ability to make a decision. It just takes a special kind of unrelenting self confidence to sit there and lose, lose, lose and still believe absolutely in the plan you've put in place, people you have hired, decisions you have made and demand absolute adherence to it, and not go around making changes week to week. I thought maybe Beaty had that but I don't think now that he does.

One other specific from Saturday was his reaction to Sims' fumble late in the game. Sims fumbles it, whines about it, doesn't go after it...comes to the sidelines, gets a pat on the helmet.

I've always thought that honest observers of this program would have a hard time not seeing that it take a special type of tyrant to be successful at KU. Given that, I think it's very hard to blame an athletic director for not finding that needle in a haystack in his first one, two, maybe even three hires. But I think you are starting to see a theme develop that Zenger might not understand what it takes to win at KU.

Waylon Cook 1 year ago

Zenger should have never been able to keep a job after hiring Charlie. It amazes me that ever happened. Still.

This seems like groundhog day. The situation for KU football has been the same since the loss to the Buffs in 2009,

I would say one more year and we are looking for a coach again.

Sad!

Bryce Landon 1 year ago

Kansas has become to NCAA football what the Cleveland Browns have been in the NFL since they came back in 1999.

Humpy Helsel 1 year ago

I think you are being a little hard on the Browns with your comment.

Kyle Sybesma 1 year ago

Zenger has made four football coaching decisions: 1. Fire Gill 2. Hire Weis 3. Fire Weis 4. Hire Beaty Zenger's future is tied to the success of Beaty. He knows a fifth decision will be his last. He'll ride out Beaty as long as he can. Beaty is a good recruiter and I'm willing to give him every opportunity to fill the full allotment of scholarships and see what he can do with a 100% recruited Beaty roster.

David Kemp 1 year ago

He's a recruiter no a HC. The offense is laughable. We had one good play in the game. Everything else was sloppy and cleanup. Tight end is never involved in passing game. Weiss was fired for no improvement non competitive. I don't see much difference here. Not asking for much, just an offense that occasionally moves the ball with some tempo in its step.

Kyle Sybesma 1 year ago

I don't disagree with your assessment of the offense. As Matt says in his article (and references my tweet), most people understand the losing but we're frustrated with the lack on improvement. The difference is Zenger's position. He cannot make a fifth decision. He knows if he fires Beaty then he too will be fired. As long as Zenger is the AD then Beaty will be the coach. Weis depleted his own inherited roster. Beaty is taking over that depleted roster. Give him the opportunity to fill it. If he fails in the improvement/win department then at least we can hand over a full scholarship roster to the next coach.

Kevin Fest 1 year ago

Instead of a new locker room for the players how about some decent coaching for the players. How does a new locker room help with fundamentals?

Jay Scott 1 year ago

Kevin... That's what, the 20th rant about the fact that the locker rooms have been updated? More?

Do we all need to join together and come update your digs? Would that get you to a better emotional place? Tell us how we can help you beat these demons.

Jay Hawkinson 1 year ago

  1. Beaty has been a disappointment so far, but of his flaws seem easily fixable - better 4th down decisions, not taking over a coaching duty every time something goes wrong, etc. I don't think him as offensive coordinator will work out, but if he has the humility and self-awareness to fix some of these things, he could still grow into the job.

  2. I actually feel like the positions that are easy to upgrade (the skill positions, basically) are generally moving in the right direction. Where they are struggling are the positions that are hard to upgrade in two years - o-line, d-line against the run, QB.

  3. That said, the barrage of mistakes and lack of intensity are things that they could have corrected by now. The last two weeks have given me Turner Gill flashbacks.

Changes I'd like to see:

  1. Give Willis a shot. In fairness, I can see why they were reluctant to give him the job this year - he has not been sharp so far. But he had 4-5 Big 12 caliber performances against Big 12 opponents last season. He is the only QB since Reesing who can say that. His lack of athleticism makes him a poor fit with this o-line, and Tait drops hints about his attitude so often that there must be something to that, but hand him the keys for a few games and see if he can shake off the rust. If not, see what you've got in Carter Stanley. Cozart is a great kid, but he's not a Big 12 QB. Time to seriously think about that position change.

  2. Stop shuffling people on the o-line. Lots of other schools ask lineman to back up multiple positions, but I don't think they spend as much practice time on it or do it with as many young players as we do. There's a limit to how good the line can be when your RT weighs 265 (btw, Larry Hughes was halfway decent as starting RT last year, maybe put him back there), but there's no reason the execution can't be better.

  3. Get more size onto the field at WR. Beaty clearly wants screens to be the staple of the offense, but the WRs aren't blocking for each other well enough for it to work. Booker getting healthy would help, but if he can't go, instead of 5'9'' Tyler Patrick, try sending Harrell, Barbel, or a TE out there. Or maybe Cozart!

I'm ready to give up on the season, but not quite ready to give up on Beaty. I thought he was the right choice when he was hired. Now I'm starting to think Bowen would've been a better - at the least, he was more prepared to be a HC. Of course, Beaty said he would've been OC if Bowen had gotten the job, so...

But Beaty seems to be getting it right in recruiting, hiring assistants, and player development in at least some positions. One thing that is very clear watching college football (and even NFL) is that most coaches have some serious flaws. If Beaty can fix many of the big picture things (talent, depth), I'll be happy. He doesn't need to be a perfect coach. I'd be thrilled if he could evolve into something like a college-level Andy Reid, and I think that is still possible.

Randy Bombardier 1 year ago

I for one think we have to stay the course with coach Beaty yet I applaud Keegan for stepping out and saying that the AD's tenure will be decided by the success or failure of this hire. It needed to be said, maybe a little premature but there it is. I don't see how it helps at this juncture except to telegraph that the University administration better start thinking about who they would like to see in that position if things continue as they are.

As mentioned by someone above I think Bowen would have done a better job. I sure would have liked to see how he would have done in the non conference games. Heck we almost took down TCU last year on his watch.

Would hate to see him be the victim here if there is no improvement and yet another change is made. I felt at the time they should have just kept him as interim for a couple years, give him time to show what he can do. He's the new Fambrough I think, bleeds crimson and blue. Still think that might be a good course of action about three more seasons after this. Give Beaty five to see what he can do.

Gavin Fritton 1 year ago

To everybody saying "let's be patient," dear sweet God in heaven, WE HAVE BEEN PATIENT! No reasonable KU fan has been expecting a bowl game for years. We'd be delighted with a Big XII win, we'd be thrilled with a road win. These are not the expectations of an impatient fanbase. We've suffered through the dual debacles of Turner Gill and Charlie Weis and are begging for Beaty to simply make us not a laughingstock. I think nearly all of us are mentally prepared to have Coach Beaty back for another season regardless how this year ends up. I don't think anyone can accuse us of not having patience. I don't even think anyone can accuse us of not having patience with Beaty.

My view is that we need to stick with Coach Beaty another year because who would we get to take the job if we fired him after only giving him two years to try to control the dumpster fire that was started and made into a monster by Gill & Weis? No one would ever feel like they'd get a reasonable chance to do the job. Lawrence would be known as a graveyard for coaching careers. No, I'm afraid we're stuck with him. But I do think that he could still be ordered to give up playcalling duties and assume more of a traditional head coaching role and I'd look for that to happen after the season.

As for Zenger, I'm afraid that if Beaty doesn't work out, Zenger has to go. I appreciate what Zenger has done in terms of projects. Rock Chalk Park is great. And I'm glad he got rid of the track around the field at Memorial Stadium. But when it comes down to it, he's been behind some of the most disastrous decisions involving Kansas athletics. He was the one who made the deal that keeps some of KU's basketball games off TV unless you subscribe to the correct cable provider. I know that the idea behind it was to help position KU when the final round of conference realignment eventually happens and if this helps secure us a spot in the Big 10 or one of the remaining power conferences, I will eat my words and apologize, but right now, all this looks like to me is a money grab for the athletic department with no benefit for the fans. Zenger's department was the one who decided in a fit of pique to move the students from behind the bench in Allen Fieldhouse in favor of well-heeled donors because the KU Student Senate opted not to renew a student fee for athletics. It was Zenger who fired Bonnie Henrickson after a 15-17 season and then could only lure Brandon Schneider, a guy who'd never even gotten a D-1 team an NCAA bid, to agree to coach the team and then had the Jayhawks promptly go 6-25. The only athletic success KU has had on the field under Zenger (men's basketball, track & field, women's volleyball, arguably men's baseball) has all come under coaches that were hired before Zenger ever got to Lawrence. Point being, even if Zenger has a knack for projects and for the administrative work of being an AD, there is absolutely no reason to have any faith he has the ability to judge coaching talent.

David Kemp 1 year ago

Yes your patience gauge is correct and l know we are stuck with Beaty, but as of now I am in the no confidence amp after this game. Worst offensive performance ever considering the competition. As one comment or said they seemed to know our plays before we did. USE the tight end, get vertical, run the I , but quit running screens and swing passes. Teams know our scheme is 4 yard passes and they are crowding the box. Get vertical and loosen the defenses.

Bee Bee 1 year ago

Not a fan of Zenger. Having said that, he's not on the field coaching or playing the games. There should be some expectation that Division 1, (FBS, whatever) college players, (Even at KU) should be able to make BASIC football plays. Zenger wasn't the one that rolled the ball to the QB multiple times on Sat. A college CENTER should be able to handle that task. Zenger isn't on the offensive line missing blocks and getting trucked by D lineman on nearly play. He hasn't dropped any passes, fumbled or missed EASY tackles over and over again.

Zenger isn't the one that runs an, "Air Raid Offense" that can't get a first down. It's obvious to anyone with two brain cells that KU does NOT have the athletes to run this offense. KU gets the bottom recruits, NOT OU, Texas caliber players. The ONE time on Saturday I saw KU in an "I" formation with a FULLBACK leading, they scored on a long run. Imagine that! The, "Air Raid" needs to be scraped for infantry. Run the damn ball and run the clock. One minute drives that put the defense back on the field ISN'T GETTING IT DONE!

Zenger doesn't play or coach. You can blame him for hiring the coach but that's as far as it goes.

David Kemp 1 year ago

Best assessment I've read. Players have to execute and that's on the coach. I keep hearing him talk about fundamentals but at this level if you don't have them it ain't gonna happen. Agree air raid offense is we duck and cover when other team defense buries us. I gotta say at least the defense should get a passing grade for their effort but offense not even an F but dns.

Vernon Riggs 1 year ago

Zenger stays until Bill Self wants him to go. Period.

Bryce Landon 1 year ago

Sure sucks when a coach has the power to fire his athletic director...wait, where have we heard that before?

Fred Davis 1 year ago

Cue the Guns 'N Roses....

Patience....

In all seriousness though, I immediately think back to Bruce Arians and his debacle at Temple when he had a great first year there, and then decided he was going to take over EVERY position on offense and make himself the recruiting coordinator and the program took a nosedive immediately after. Now he's regarded as one of the best offensive minds and coaches in the NFL because of the way he delegates and makes sure his coaches don't burn themselves out.

Beaty may want to take a page out of that book - immediately. Let the offense coach, let the defense coach, let the ST coach, and then he oversees all of it. He's the CEO. Simple as that. Micromanaging never works and the optimism that had crept its way back into the fanbase before the season started has just about evaporated. Throw in the instability at QB which really calls into question Beaty's decision-making, and this KU Football train is headed off a cliff with Zenger as the Engineer.

From what I've been told by someone close to the KU football program, Zenger has Zero allies to this point following the Weis debacle. Reality was, Gill could recruit but couldn't coach and handle what it took to run a Big 12 program. Weis was plain out of touch and Beaty is picking up the pieces of the calamity and is trying too hard to do it all by himself - and that's costing this team dearly. The loss of all the assistants is rearing its ugly head now. Right now, and for the sake of this season, Beaty needs to channel his inner Winston Wolfe, see what Stanley can do and let the Coaches COACH. If not, it's only going to get a whole lot worse.

Maria Ungaro 1 year ago

I said this in June before camp and I said this in the middle of camp. Cozart is not a Div I Big 12 QB, he needs to move to and work with the WR's.

Willis should be the starter and Carter to get some reps in 2 & 4 th Quarter.

We cannot continue this QB carousel. It's very hard for a guy to come off the bench cold down by 10-14 and expect a Mircle comeback.

This offense is based on team chemistry, timing, and a strong arm to get balls out quick and accurate. That fits Willis.

We now begin big 12 play and start on ESPN in Lubbuck, TX.

We cannot go through another head coaching change. Coach Beaty deserves a fighters chance, but he must make the personal change ASAP.

Jay Scott 1 year ago

Zenger has done a great job in every other area. He'll be the AD as long as the continued growth in facilities and other sports continues and most specifically, as long as Bill Self approves of him as his "boss".

Get rid of Grey Little! She's much more of a joke than anyone in the athletic department.

Suzi Marshall 1 year ago

I certainly agree about Grey Little. KU needs strong leadership and not another politically correct choice. Grey-Little and her husband were able to get off totally free of the UNC mess they contributed (www2.ljworld.com/news/2015/jun/06/gray-littles-husband-worked-troubled-unc-program). Additionally, the University has only experienced a downward slide, relative to other centers of higher education.

As for Zenger, he's done a really good job, sans-football. I've met him on a couple of occasions and like him a lot. As for his football decisions, I've agree with every one of them. I also agree Self will have a lot of influence what happens with Zenger.

Brad Sherp 1 year ago

Willis seems pretty immature, and this is probably the first time he has faced adversity in his life. I think that putting his job in limbo is not bringing the best out in him. Beaty either needs to make Willis the guy, or Beaty needs to bench him in favor of Stanley.

I think our QBs are more worried about keeping their jobs than about doing their jobs (and probably our coaches too for that matter). Willis made more progress under Likens. In fact, Willis looks like he has taken a step backwards under Beaty as QB coach. Last year, Willis looked like a talented QB who was rough around the edges. This year, Willis looks like he can never get settled in because he is pulled every other drive.

Cozart has always been a liability in the passing game, and that will become more and more obvious when we face tougher opponents. The horrible stats he does have are skewed in a positive way because he has faced more non-conference opponents than Big 12 opponents. Every year he gets benched during the Big 12 schedule after average to sub-par performances against non-conference opponents.

I will say one thing about Stanley. He has a quick release. If we have an OL that is suspect, why not put a guy back there who can get rid of the ball fast? He doesn't have Willis's arm - but unlike Cozart, Stanley doesn't have a reputation for throwing picks.

Bryce Landon 1 year ago

Isn't Sheahon Zenger a graduate of that school in Manhattan? What if he's part of a conspiracy to deliberately make KU a football laughingstock so that they can get their asses kicked by his alma mater every year?

[Spoken tongue-in-cheek, of course]

Ted Adams 1 year ago

I know you know this, but just so everyone else understands. Zenger got his lesser degrees at Ft. Hays, Mid-America Nazarene, and KSU eventually. He was at KSU as a assistant coach under Snyder (which I would deem a giant plus). His PhD was earned at KU, but he has been a KU fan since he was a kid, so I don't think earning the tail end of an undergrad degree and a masters while he was assistant coaching there is all that terrible. Wonder how much he sought out Snyder's before hiring Beaty?

Ted Adams 1 year ago

Mr. Keegan, I wonder how much of this inability to get things going has anything to do with non-conference scheduling? Have we not learned anything from watching the wizard 70 miles West? Schedule a bunch of nobodies in non-conference with the occasional P5 team thrown in every 2-3 years. You've got to get some early season confidence under these guys as a foundation, every year! Especially when you already know you are behind the eight ball for talent to run against the OU, Texas, OSU, TCU of the conference.

Why are they scheduling an Ohio, Rutgers, Memphis in 2015-2018? A Central Michigan should be the best opponent you schedule the first 3-5 years of a new coach with the lack of talent KU had to start with after Weis failed completely at recruiting anything. Seems someone missed the memo on the scheduling, and it's not going to be any better in '17 or '18, by the looks of it.

David Kemp 1 year ago

Guess you didn't get the memo about having to schedule 1 power 5 conference team every year in noncon

John Fitzgerald 1 year ago

I wonder when the last time a KU football article on kusports.com had over 60 comments?

David Kemp 1 year ago

I think this shows that ku fans still have a passion for fb. All I want to see out there is competitive, mistake free fb. Not expecting win but don't make us leave by halftime.

Mo Mosallaei 1 year ago

People say we've been patient, but we really haven't. 3 years for Gill, 2 years for Weis, that's not being patient. Beaty needs 5 years. Yes, Mangino got us to a bowl game in his second year, but he had a much easier task. He had 4 non-conference games compared to 3, and then he only had to win a couple more games out of the Big 12 North which included Nebraska during their down years, Colorado when they stunk, Iowa State while they were worse than us, Missouri who always had trouble with KU, and KSU during Snyder's final years in his first stint when they were down. Today's schedule is a killer compared to those days. It takes a good 3 years to develop an offensive line, and we just don't have one right now.

Brian Wilson 1 year ago

EXACTLY. YES FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE UNDERSTANDS. it takes years to develop a consistent offensive line. You need to have players that have played the system for three or four years that the get the time to teach it to the younger players. Beatty should get at least four years if not five.

Mike Barnhart 1 year ago

Five years??? That's for a bowl game, right? I need to see improvement sooner than 5 years!

1st year - improve recruiting, 2nd year - be more competitive, 3rd year - beat some teams and scare some others, 4th year - win at least 4 (don't get waxed by anyone) and 5th year - bowl game!

If Beaty's not on track at the end of year three...Adios to him and Zenger!

Kyle Sybesma 1 year ago

Could it be that this high octane offense was installed at a high octane pace and we didn't get the fundamentals down? I'd like to see the same offense but let's slow it down and huddle up. It can accomplish numerous things.

  1. Gives our offense time to learn and think about their role for each play which should allow them to execute each play more effectively.

  2. Kills clock. The longer we have the ball the less opportunities they have to score.

  3. By killing clock and slowing down the play calling our defense gets more rest and is fresher at the end of games.

  4. With all of the above we should see more competitive play and more competitive scores which will give the fan base reason for optimism.

I'm not a football guru. Just my thoughts.

Joe Ross 1 year ago

Lets drum up a hypothetical.

MM is likely never coming back to Kansas. That's not what this post is about (in reality). But you make the call. If you're AD and you could wave a wand to bring in Mangino, would you pull the trigger and do it?

Ill go on record and give an affirmative answer, though I expect many of you will do the opposite. My reason is that you dont replace a coach who is successful in a P5 conference over something that could and should have been handled in-house, especially given the history of your program. And I disagree with those who say MM had peaked. His last season was played out under controversy (I believe prior to a Colorado game, onward). His own AD was firing shots at him publicly and dividing players with the nature of an investigation that occurred during the course of the season. You simply can not judge MM that way.

But Id be interested in any thoughts...

Kyle Sybesma 1 year ago

Love Mangino but I would not. Kansas has already done this. Don Fambrough.

1971 - 74. Wins 4,4,7,4 Fired

1979 - 82 Wins 3,4,8,2 Fired

Mike Barnhart 1 year ago

It was over! MM was a world class a-hole. The entire athletic department hated the guy and he couldn't find decent replacements for his OC and DC. In fact, his lame DC replacement for Bill Young was and still is one of the worst coordinators in college football!

Michael Leiker 1 year ago

Your post should tell you a lot about what it takes to win at Kansas. I think the athletic department would rather be happy and low stress than do what it takes to be win games.

David Kemp 1 year ago

Will say mm offensive lines were the best and toughest in ku history

Jim Fitzpatrick 1 year ago

"That's not them kids' fault. That's me. That's not them coaches' fault. That's me."

Quote from David Beaty after the Memphis game.

...If Mr. Zenger gets the chance to hire another football coach, I hope he gets one who not only can prepare a team to play on Saturdays but also has a passing familiarity with the King's English.

Lucas Town 1 year ago

The guy is from Texas, FFS. Who cares how he talks? I want to give him time to build a football team we can all be proud of.

Micky Baker 1 year ago

Bench Cozart, he shouldn't see another snap at QB for his remaining time at Kansas. Last week was a disaster with turnovers, not all of which were his but at least half of them were on him. I do not believe that he's ability to make the right decisions.

Without the three turnovers, we had some good drives that could have ended up in points and would probably have resulted in at least 13 fewer points for Memphis and and maybe a couple of more touchdowns for us. It wouldn't have been a win, but 30 to 21 I can stomach against Memphis on the road. Memphis put up fewer than 400 total yards of offense and we had about 330 yards. Without the turnovers, we probably would have reach well over 400 and under 300 for Memphis.

If we hadn't turned the ball over at all, Memphis only scored once on a drive that didn't immediately follow one of our turnovers, plus the interception return for a TD. The turnovers killed. It is just speculative, but I can surely see KU beating Memphis without the Turnovers. 30 fewer points for Memphis and at least 3 or 4 more scores for us and we win that game.

Our two best receivers need to grow up as well. Sims Jr. needs to shut his mouth and play and Quiv needs to give us an edge in the return game.

I do believe that Willis should be starting against Texas Tech and number 1 by himself on the depth chart with Stanley number 2. Cozart, at best should be 3rd, not because he isn't able but because he doesn't seem willing to learn from his mistakes.

David Kemp 1 year ago

You are way too optimistic. No guarantee wee would have ever moved the ball beyond the turnovers i.e. 5 three and out bad 3rd down conversion rate 1.7 yards per rush excluding the 66 yard run. But to credit defense had one of their better games and only one bad pass defense on opening drive and your looking at a flawless game by our standards.

Dirk Medema 1 year ago

KU football has been wandering around inside the Antarctic Circle for the past 5.5 years. It's "heading south" is trivial. The problem is that it's not making noticeable progress going north.

That being said, we are only 15 games into the process and still don't even have a full roster.

Michael Maris 1 year ago

Want a legit OC? Hire Art Briles to be the OC. And then, the recruiting situation will really pick up then.

Jay Scott 1 year ago

Now that's an interesting thought.

Suzi Marshall 1 year ago

I doubt if Briles would come to Kansas as a HC being paid $4MM pa and even more so as a $400k pa OC.

Jay Scott 1 year ago

I think Briles would be in Lawrence by dinner time if he were offered the HC job. He wants back in the saddle badly.

Suzi Marshall 1 year ago

Listening to him, I get that feeling as well. Knowing you could sign an Art Briles to a 5 year $4MM annual contract, would you drop Beatie now, at little cost? We don't have to pay Weis anymore after Dec 16.

Jay Scott 1 year ago

Grey Little would never allow it.

Personally, I don't know what Briles did or didn't do as part of that whole mess. I would need more clarity before I'd hire him.

Suzi Marshall 1 year ago

If there is justice in this world, perhaps Kansas will soon be rid of Grey Little and her husband...Shades of Grey.

The Dallas Morning News has a good article on Briles today.

www.dallasnews.com/opinion/latest-columns/20160920-what-s-ahead-for-art-briles-exile-return-and-redemption--just-look-at-louisville-s-bobby-petrino-bearhug.ece

Being that I'm in TX and around a lot of Baylor people, there is a lot of sympathy that Briles fault was to let 'others' handle what to do so he could concentrated on the football team. I could never see Self acting in this way but if Briles has truly learned from his experiences, I say we follow Louisville's example. Brides is a brilliant football coach and leader. He's excelled at every level.

John Fitzgerald 1 year ago

Art Briles nearly committed career suicide with that Baylor debacle. He wouldn't confirm it by coming to this mess. He'll go somewhere that's stable and that will pay the big bucks. But good thought, nonetheless.

Bryce Landon 1 year ago

The recruiting situation will pick up? So will incidents of sexual assault involving our players.

Dyrk Dugan 1 year ago

Mike Barnhart, who are you talking about OC? Warriner was there to the bitter end; he was the OC 2007-09. And as far as DC goes, I'll give you two names: Aqib Talib and James McClinton. Both were the best at their respective positions that I've ever seen play live....and they were both gone when CB took over. Hard to hold the production after those departures. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: MM was an old school football coach, who probably had too much success too soon; and was totally undermined by a "let's ride this cash cow as far as she takes me" AD, who started this laughingstock of a football program rolling down the hill. MM deserved better....KU football deserved better....and we're paying the price for it now. Beaty has to get four years; it's that simple. He's our coach; he has to get better; but he must be allowed to see it through.

Mike Barnhart 1 year ago

Poor recall on my part, I just remember that every time a coach left the program we seemed to downgrade.

Since MM, we've had a lot of OC's with very little success and one DC who's been consistently wretched.

Humpy Helsel 1 year ago

Dang! Haven't had a chance to look at the website all day until now. The list of scapegoats for our sorry football team has grown! New names, past and present, have been added. And all of the new names posting! Business has been kind of slow on the posting sites of late, but everyone loves the excitement of a lynching. I'm going with "they never should have taken that track out of the stadium!" All of our one season per decade good football teams (we might be headed for 1 good team per 25 years) were had when we had that track! Once they took that track out, well...it's been downhill from there!

Edward Daub 1 year ago

I am sure that the KU Chancellor has much more pressing and important academic and budgeting issues, than the state of KU Football. However, the last time I checked , the Athletic Director reports directly to the Chancellor.

The current KU Chancellor arrived here in 2009. (Remember that Mark Mangino's last season was also 2009.) It is painfully ironic that the "slow, but steady" decline of KU Football coincides with the Current KU Administration Regime.

My conclusion is that "KU Football" success is a lower priority, and that may indeed be justified, considering we are first and foremost an academic institution! However, KU Alumni also want winning football and basketball teams! Not an easy job.

Kent Wells 1 year ago

This just in. Zengers goons have given Keegs a serious limp. Next article to be titled "Ouch, My Knee Hurts. Keegan Heading North For and New Identity"

David Williams 1 year ago

I am encouraged by the passion and contributions to this thread...good to see that people out there care deeply about KU and KU Football.

The conclusion to which I am coming is that a housecleaning is in order at the top, the very top. We need a change at Chancellor and AD. There is not a fundamental alignment with the FB Program and the overall University mission. There is no reason that they should not be in alignment. It is simply a cultural aspect of apathy and poor HR selection. Agree with the prior poster who mentioned that it is not a coincidence that the FB decline began in 2009, upon the arrival of BGL. Mangino probably did have to go in any case, not much argument there. However, Perkins could have done a better job with the search.

Also, prior to the hire of Zenger Bubba Williams from Tulsa was supposedly going to take the job, although for some reason backed out at the last minute, then ultimately and ironically left to become AD at UNC. If anyone has any information on how that went down, would be interested to hear your comments. My inclination is to believe that he did not see the world as did BGL.

While there are a lot of people out there from which to choose, here would be my choices -

Chancellor - Robert Witt in Alabama...prior to going to AL he was Dean of the Business School at the University of Texas, and was widely recognized as moving it into national and international prominence. Some of you folks who are long-timers in Texas may remember his tenure in Austin. He left for Tuscaloosa after my first year in the MBA Program.

He would likely never leave Alabama for Lawrence, though the thought is appealing and he is the type of person who is a strong administrator, holds high standards for academics, although understands how college athletics (particularly FB) plays an integral role in the university mission.

AD - Bob Bowlsby...no real need to explain his background to you all here. He is a FB-first guy and gets P5 athletics quite well. He's no B-lister...not sure KU could afford him.

In any case, you see where I am going...once that is corrected at the top, then KU as an institution and its attendant athletics will be able to move forward strategically, in alignment with each other. Currently that is not the case and I am of the opinion that will not change until there is a change at the top.

Suzi Marshall 1 year ago

Very pleased you also picked up on the need to start from the top, at the Chancellor level. BGL's feckless leadership has been a nightmare for Kansas. Under here leadership Kansas has fallen dramatically in every ranking system. There are three organizations that are generally accepted as national arbiters of an institution’s rank as a Tier One institution. They are the;

1) Association of American Universities,

2) Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching and

3) Center for Measuring University Performance, which issues Top American Research University (TARU) reports.

No doubt landing Witt would be a grand-slam homer. If the Kansas BOR is bold enough to make the move this year, the Zenger decision should be left for the new Chancellor. I would not be terribly disappointed if the new AD gave Zenger a chance but would probably support whatever decision is made.

With regards to a change in KU Football coaches, Beaty does not have a good record for his short stay at KU. All the assistant coaches leaving was the first major step. From the very first play of the year, which as a delay of game vs Rhode Island, to the 6 TO Memphis Beaty's leadership has been appalling. The lone bright spot is the defensive guys are playing their hearts out but that is totally under the guy Zenger passed on for HC.

Max Ledom 12 months ago

You all are idiots if you think Zenger is getting canned after this year. This football program is a project, not a quick fix. We have shown improvement in talent, and different from the Weis and Gill era, these teams seem like they actually are in the game if they would just get out of their own way. With Gill and Weis, we were slaughtered and we didn't even look athletically like we were D1. IF Beaty can get these guys to play sound smart football, we would be 3-0, maybe on the way to a 5 win season. Next year, if we have 1 win like what this year will probably be, then yeah, Zenger is most likely gone.

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