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Monday, January 25, 2016

Jayhawks lose at Iowa State, marking third straight road setback

Kansas guard Frank Mason III (0) passes over Iowa State guard Monte Morris (11) during the first half, Monday, Jan. 25, 2016 at Hilton Coliseum in Ames, Iowa.

Kansas guard Frank Mason III (0) passes over Iowa State guard Monte Morris (11) during the first half, Monday, Jan. 25, 2016 at Hilton Coliseum in Ames, Iowa.

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— The Big 12 Conference men's basketball race is officially wide open, thanks to the Kansas University men's basketball team squandering an opportunity to pick up a huge conference road victory on Big Monday in front of a wild bunch at Hilton Coliseum.

Iowa State 85, Kansas 72.

Just like that, Kansas (16-4 overall, 5-3 Big 12) has three losses in eight conference games and sits in a tie with a team that, just a couple of weeks ago, was written off after a rough start.

Iowa State improved to 16-4 overall and 5-3 in Big 12 play with the victory.

Unlike its past two road games — losses at West Virginia and Oklahoma State — KU came out with incredible energy and effort and took control of this one at the start.

The Jayhawks built a lead of as many as 10 points in the first half and entered the locker room leading by seven when Frank Mason II’Is layup beat the halftime buzzer.

But Iowa State controlled the pace of the game much better in the second half and forced Kansas to play its game while hanging around thanks to bucket after bucket by Georges Niang. Finally, with 8:58 to play, ISU took its first lead of the game on a three-pointer from Deonte Burton. Two ISU steals later, the Cyclones' lead was up to seven and KU was reeling.

Perry Ellis (23 points) did his best to keep Kansas in it, but the Cyclones played like sharks that smelled blood for the final 10 minutes and never allowed KU to regain control.

Here’s a quick look back at some of the action:

• The game turned when: Kansas turned the ball over on five consecutive second-half possessions, allowing Iowa State to turn a 57-55 deficit into a 66-57 lead.

• Offensive highlight: Midway through the second half, Wayne Selden Jr. hit a deep, step-back three-pointer from the top of the key that helped KU maintain control of the lead. It was one of those leadership moments, where KU's go-to guy on the perimeter stepped up and made a play. A couple of possessions later, after things got a little sloppy, KU was able to increase its lead to 36-29, when just a couple of seconds earlier it looked as if ISU was en route to trimming the lead to two in transition, when Brannen Greene disrupted the ISU break and then set his feet and ripped the nets on his second three-pointer of the night.

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• Defensive highlight: Devonté Graham found himself in a tough spot near the end of the first half. With KU leading 41-36 and Monté Morris looking to cut into the Kansas lead to end the half, Graham frustrated Morris up high, stayed with him on the drive and then blocked his floating layup to lead to a run-out and fast-break bucket by Mason at the buzzer. Instead of leading by just two or three, KU went into the locker room at halftime up by seven.

• Key stat: Three-point shooting. Iowa State shot 9-of-22 from downtown in this one, compared to just 5-of-16 for Kansas. The Cyclones were 5 for 10 from beyond the arc in the second half. ISU also won the turnover battle, 15-7.

• Up next: The Jayhawks will get some rest from this wild game before returning to Allen Fieldhouse on Saturday at 6 p.m. for a non-conference showdown with Kentucky in the Big 12-SEC Challenge. ESPN's College Gameday will be in Lawrence for the big game between college basketball blue bloods. 

— See what people were saying about the KU-ISU game at Hilton Coliseum during KUsports.com’s live coverage.


More news and notes from Kansas at Iowa State




By the Numbers: Iowa State 85, Kansas 72

By the Numbers: Iowa State 85, Kansas 72

Comments

Mike Barnhart 3 years, 9 months ago

They looked good for awhile then looked tired. Hard to play D when you're gassed and you're basically using a two man bench. ISU has no bench but they NEVER play D!

Allin Herring 3 years, 9 months ago

First this team never plays defense and secondly ISU played a better delusive game than we did

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

I think we need to rethink what we are doing at the 5 position. This has been an epic fail. Two games in a row, Lucas is a no-show on offense. I can't recall a ku team that could only get 2 points in two games out of its center. Its time to build for the future. Play Diallo til he fouls out each game. He can't do any worse than what we are doing now. Very sad, very sad.

Brett McCabe 3 years, 9 months ago

It's difficult to imagine that we have two McD's that can't even get on the court for what may be a .500 team in conference.

James Smith 3 years, 9 months ago

Sad when Lucas is such a non threat that when he has the ball up top his player sags into the lane because they know he can't shoot.

David Robinett 3 years, 9 months ago

Our blue blood seems oxygen depleted at the moment.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

Svi, Diallo, Bragg, never get to play anymore. Why? It's time to bench some starters, Coach's huddle with his vets and the players only meeting….disaster.

James Smith 3 years, 9 months ago

Fire Bill Self!!! He is losing or may have lost control of this team.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

What's hysterically funny is that there are actual people who really think that would be a good idea.

James Smith 3 years, 9 months ago

Even more funny Psycho Jay is that you are happy with this season. We the CL's that you call us saw this coming and with your head of Self's ASS you did not see it and even better you are HAPPY. What a LOSER!!!

Yonatan Negash 3 years, 9 months ago

Speechless, not really sure where to begin.

Haven't seen this bad of a Kansas team in quite sometime.

Probably safe to assume the streak may now be over.

Kristen Downing 3 years, 9 months ago

Help me out here...If teams can drive on you, pointing out your lack of interior defense, does playing the zone defense help? Not that it matters.

Mike Barnhart 3 years, 9 months ago

Not sure but I am sure you (Kristen) could score 20 on Devonte Graham. He's the laziest defender we've ever had.

Brett McCabe 3 years, 9 months ago

Might be worthwhile to see some Vick on the floor.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

You're kidding, right? Playing a freshman who was a low recruit, never expected to play and was never told he would play, instead of Greene or Svi is a way to develop more rotation sanity? Wow. Just wow. Why not play the walk ons? That would make as much sense.

Vic Janeway 3 years, 9 months ago

Plain and simple for this old man....Fear, simple fear, tenses them up big time.

Allin Herring 3 years, 9 months ago

There is a reason for that......they are not that good

Layne Pierce 3 years, 9 months ago

The streak is not over till its over. But to play like we did in the second half, its shameful. This team simply does not have the leadership. Mason, good spunky, but no leader, he plays out of control when the game is on the line and poise is needed.

Graham a little better. Selden, who knows. Ellis does his best.

Why is Mikkelson not playing at all? I totally agree, just start playing and getting ready for the tournament and the future. 5 bad possessions in a row, but then this team has always done that.

I hate to say it, but I'm ready for a change in personnel. We were outplayed, and sadly outcoached.

Doug Clark 3 years, 9 months ago

The problem is not the 5 spot, its our guard play, Lucas did a solid job on defense and rebounding, we don't need his scoring as much, but when our point guard drives the ball time after time and tries to score over bigs and either misses or turns the ball over that's our big problem. We had turnovers on 5 straight possessions to let them take the lead and that wasn't Lucas's fault. Good guard play is what wins games and our guards panic when we are behind and don't have the poise to get good shots, it wouldn't matter if we had an all American at the 5 spot right now because our guards couldn't get him the ball anyway. Look at our last 3 losses, our guards have been dominated by the other teams guards and it cost us those games. Until we get better guard play we aren't going to do anything in the league or NCAA tournament.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

I don't blame in all on Lucas, but 2 points over two games? That puts too much pressure on the other four. And when we don't sub, well then we need to start getting almost 20 points apiece out of the 4 other starters. Sorry, Landon should be coming off the bench when Diallo or Mickelson is in foul trouble. He should be our 3rd big entering the game.

Allin Herring 3 years, 9 months ago

I agree Doug. Look at who both of these guys were recruited and signed with! It's not like we stole them UK or Duke. Who would you sign with Kansas or App state? Self has never been a great recruiter of guards and now he can not get the big as well

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Except the two McDonald's All Americans that all the Chicken Littles are freaking out over playing time? Oh, and the Ukrainian national team player that isn't playing?.

Nope Self can't recruit at all.....You're funny Red.

James Smith 3 years, 9 months ago

Yep as usual you are right Psycho Jay we have a great 2016 class coming in!!! Right up there with you saying that Graham was a shut down guard.

Tom Gillaspie 3 years, 9 months ago

Lucas plays more than ten minutes a game = we're done. End of story.

Luke Kading 3 years, 9 months ago

Couldn't agree more on the guard play Doug, although I still feel strongly that Bragg andor Diallo need to become major contributers in order for this team to make any kind of serious run in March. Unfortunately, there's not much options at guard, but there is a ton of potential in the post that's on the bench 90% of the game, and every game that goes by is another opportunity wasted to get them valuable minutes. Lucas actually played pretty well tonight, but we know what we have in Lucas, Taylor and Mickelson and it's mediocrity at best.

Personally, I think it's time to Self to stop encouraging Mason to be so aggressive, because Mason takes being aggressive as driving with his head down and throwing up a wild shot or turning it over, and unfortunately Selden has crashed back down to earth after his hot start, and he's crashing hard.

Chris Shaw 3 years, 9 months ago

Actually, an all American at the 5 position would certainly make all the difference in the world. The guards aren't the issue. Granted they didn't play well but it's not on them IMO. You point to my other posts where the issue lies.

Brett McCabe 3 years, 9 months ago

For all of the heat Perry takes on this site, it's amazing that, in every challenging game, he's pretty much the only guy who comes to play.

Brian Conrad 3 years, 9 months ago

Perry is Great ! he needs some help SELDON !

Allin Herring 3 years, 9 months ago

This team is probably the most over rated team in the polls since they were created. Not sure how they can be rated 4TH and play the way they have the 3 last weeks. The only thing that has changed about this team over last year's busts are that they are a year older and just as average.

Brett McCabe 3 years, 9 months ago

Going into the season, I believed that we were poised to be the best team since 2012.

We returned the bulldog, Wayne seemed to have turned the corner and we returned Perry. A solid nucleus from a good but not great team last year. My expectation was that we would see a significant second-year jump from both Svi and Devonte. Add to that mix two McD's and returning depth in Landen, Jamari and Hunter. I never really factored BG into the mix because, well, you know...

Through the OU game I was right as rain. Since then, I feel a little like bit like Curly after getting poked in the eye.

Linda Peschka 3 years, 9 months ago

They played like a team the 1st half then played selfish non- team basketball in the 2nd half. Again, lack of energy, turnovers, passive play and ABSOLUTELY NO DEFENSE the 2nd half. While does Self condone the sloppy, one-on-one play of Mason, Graham, and Selden. They may score some points, but they give-up far more with their "NO COVERAGE DEFENSE, Ridiculous turnovers(Mason dribbling, dribbling, dribbling then losing the ball on two consecutive offensive trips towards KU basket),and esp. poor, poor, shooting. Self should play players who have heart and the "want" to play and BENCH all three present starting guards. It does not matter who takes those players place, they will do better. CHANGES must take place NOW in order for KU to finish high in the National picture. This team has sucked since the 3OT win over OU. It is time to stop the cascading failure and initiate CHANGE to make a difference.

Colby Hebert 3 years, 9 months ago

Vick, Svi, Greene, Bragg, Diallo should be the starting 5 next game to send a message. That actually would not be that bad of a team...There is some fire there.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

I would keep Perry in. That dude has brought it every night. so of your players, maybe bring Vick in off the bench. Not saying we do this as a complete change, but as a message to Mason, Seldon and Graham…aka Coach Self's "fools gold"

Allin Herring 3 years, 9 months ago

Self is not capable of change. Does he ever change his defense?

Colby Hebert 3 years, 9 months ago

Good point, there is no fault with Perry. Also definitely just a message

James Donnell 3 years, 9 months ago

I agree. Make wholesale changes but leave Perry in. The poor guy is trying to carry the team--too much of a load. So we have "shortened" our bench lately, and what has that got us? A home win against a decent team, and other than that, we have looked worse. The guard play is atrocious. Very bad decision making, and of course, it doesn't help when they get into the paint--there isn't anyone to lob to, since we don't have a 5. How in the world can we expect anything out of Bragg and Diallo, when they don't get to play?? It is not that we are 5-3 in conference, but how we got there. Doesn't give us fans much hope--time to take our expectations down a couple of notches.

Jim Keen 3 years, 9 months ago

Why not? Would be an interesting experiment in a non-conference game vs UK.

Colby Hebert 3 years, 9 months ago

I played middle line backer in football in school and I was a backup on offense, so coach would let me me go against the A and B team offenses in practice and scrimmages..

I HATED playing against the B team. Blocking you til the whistle blows, coming at you like their hair on fire,trying to show the coach they belonged out there.

The guys who "looked the part" in practice and always seemed to gain the coaches favor were better to play against. There is a complacency that sets in.

Roy did it before in a game, sent in a whole 5 new guys for a stretch.

Self should start the game that way,

Brian Skelly 3 years, 9 months ago

Im not sure if Roy still does that at UNC, but I recall him doing that multiple times with multiple different teams here. He'd just get to the point where he'd seen enough, and run 5 fresh guys out there. It usually wasnt very long (frequently it was a few minutes before a TV timeout), but that was never the point. If our top 5 bench guys cant be at least adequate for 3-4 minutes in a game, they shouldnt even be on the roster.

Niraj Shah 3 years, 9 months ago

Putrid- is the nicest thing I can say about how this team plays. Time to call it a season, at least these guys did not wait until late Feb/Mar to screw up. Perplexing how this team has fallen apart

Niraj Shah 3 years, 9 months ago

Ha- No KU class of '00... Just calling it like I see it. Not everyone has Crimson Colored Glasses on. The way the team has played ever since the OU game and the continued lack of improvement shown over the last 5 games tells me this team is headed down a yellow brick road to disaster. Hope that the Hawks prove me wrong and pull out of their tailspin...

Tom Gillaspie 3 years, 9 months ago

We need to be looking at the rest of the season and next season. Bench Lucas. The guy is not a Div.1 player. Never will be.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

You must not have watched the game. Bilas was raving about how well he played several times.

James Smith 3 years, 9 months ago

PSYCHO JAY did you have the SAP Button on again?

Tom Gillaspie 3 years, 9 months ago

Playing well for Lucas, or for a Div. 1 player?

Doug Clark 3 years, 9 months ago

I agree we could use some help at the 5, at least Bragg is a threat for some offense but coach won't allow him or Diallo to play through mistakes, but our guards make mistake after mistake offensively and defensively and they still get all the minutes. Why? Because they are more experienced? That should be even worse because they should be better than that but continue to make the same mistakes for 2 1/2 years. We better start recruiting some better guards or we will see the same problems next year and if Bragg and Diallo are still here next year I am afraid their development wont happen because of our guards. Perry is trying his best but the other 3 totally lose their poise when they are faced with adversity and they become selfish and undisciplined, I will not be surprised if we lose all our remaining conference road games. I am afraid the top recruits will shy away from KU after these last 2 1/2 years, this is very frustrating. How we are still ranked in the top 5 is beyond me, but we won't be there for long.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

totally agree Doug. If I turn on the TV this Saturday and see the same starting 5 for KU, I will be getting the keys to my truck and going off to Best Buy to get a new TV. My current one will have a chair in it.

Jonathan Unruh 3 years, 9 months ago

Mick and svi not getting into the game!? Graham was terrible. Other teams " No " Lucas can't buy a bucket. Coach Self does nothing to ignite his bench. With all the long arms a 2 -3 or 1-3 -1 could make opponent change their offense. Outcoached .

David Pointer 3 years, 9 months ago

Good shooting in the first half covered up really poor play, they simply do not play with any desire or energy. Most if not all of the 50 /50 balls went to ISU, no offensive rebounding, silly turnovers, if KU had not shot well, they would have been down ten at halftime. I don't understand why this team has no fire in the belly, must be a lack of leadership.

Chris Shaw 3 years, 9 months ago

Isn't that the goal? To make shots? All the shots taken in the first half were good shots.

David Pointer 3 years, 9 months ago

You are right, that is the goal. My point is to win in this league, you have to play a complete game because the shots are not always going to fall. The shots were falling in the first half making up for how poorly the team played in every other facet of the game aside from shooting.

Chris Shaw 3 years, 9 months ago

I think playing better and finding rhythm and chemistry along the way is the ultimate goal. When you find that the wins come secondary. This team has been a mess all season and no one will convince Me its all because of the players.

I think Self's rotation and decision making not named graham, Mason, Selden, and Ellis has been atrocious. He messed around in the non conference and you're witnessing the end result of not properly developing Bragg and Diallo and especially Bragg.

Can't imagine what's going thru Svi's head at the moment. He's in a catch 22. It sucks that it looks like he's gonna be the sacrificial lamb but Self has to find a consistent 8 man rotation. 9 maybe depending on situations. I agree with the idea of what Self is trying to implement but the execution with the wrong guys is downright one of the most frustrating seasons I can remember. You saw the first 17 minutes that Svi, Diallo and Mickelson were those sacrificial lambs. Not the 3 I would have chosen or would be sitting at this juncture of the season but you can't continue to play 11/12 every game and make it work. That first 17 minutes last night was pretty basketball.

Brian Skelly 3 years, 9 months ago

I think ive mentioned this before on these boards, but we seem to play smoothly when Mickleson is playing our 5 spot. Of course, its relative. I think more than anything, he knows how to position himself (and get out of the way sometimes) when the guards are going to the rack. He maybe the least talented physically, but it just seems things go smoother when he's in there.

That said, I find it shocking that Self has NO trust in his bench at this point in the season. Im not sure if its because they stink or he just doesnt think they are ready. Probably both.

Regardless, we arent good right now and its painful to watch. Hard to envision us winning the Big 12 doing this #$@%@% though. Never mind a deep tournament run.

Niraj Shah 3 years, 9 months ago

Worst part is we have to wait until Saturday to get back on the court. I'd say this was a good thing but reality is team has not shown 1 iota of improvement in the last 3 weeks

Chris Shaw 3 years, 9 months ago

Observations and Notes:

SHAWESOME Observations: The first 17 minutes of this game was the best 17 minutes this team has put together IMO all season from an offensive rotation and rhythm perspective. Granted, it's not the rotation I would have chosen, but nonetheless I have to give Self props for trying to shorten the bench and going with the guys he feels is gonna make this team go. Despite some mistakes defensively it was the best offensive performance I've seen the Jayhawks play from a rhythm standpoint this season.

Well, did the team ever "Go" in the first 17 minutes. Lucas played great. He slacked on defensive transition once, but overall he did his job. I'm not worried about his ineffectiveness at scoring as I am his efficiency overall boxing out, setting screens, getting rebounds and creating opportunities for his teammates in order to keep that offensive flow. His efficiency this game was the best he's played all season. Kudos to Lucas.

With Lucas' stellar play, the Big 4 (GMPS) looked crisp, moved the ball, was unselfish and looked for the first time this season in sync, in rhythm, and had great flow within the offense. The team looked great. Svi, Diallo, and Mickelson were DNP's during this time and that's unfortunate, but somebody had to be the odd men out.

Even though I want to see more of Diallo and it should have happened earlier in the season (We are past that debate IMO) I didn't quite understand Diallo being inserted the last 3 minutes of the half? I would have rather seen Lucas or Bragg since that was who Self had decided to roll with for most of the first half.

SHAWFUL Observations:

1) The entire second half-Self Explanatory

2) Coach Self-This loss is solely on the decision making of Bill Self. He needs to watch the second half and come to the realization that he's trusting the wrong player(s) on this squad.

3) Jamari Traylor-I love this kid, but he has no business getting the bulk minutes he's getting. No matter how bad Traylor played in this game, it's Self making the decision to play him. That is not Traylor's fault. Self has to take responsibility.

You all can come to your own conclusions on why Kansas lost 1) Poor Defense 2) Poor Guard Play 3) Blame it on an individual player 4) Blame it on effort 5) Blame it on energy 6) Blame it on Leadership 7) on and on. There is one person to blame and that is Bill Self.

cont'd

Chris Shaw 3 years, 9 months ago

Why Self thinks Traylor is the answer is beyond me. So, I charted Traylor's second half minutes. Traylor entered the game at 15:57 with KU leading 48-42 (It could have been 50-42 had Selden not missed two Free Throw's). Traylor exited the game at 12:03 with the score 51-50 Kansas. He was -5 for his +/- ratio for that 4 minutes. Traylor reentered the game with kansas leading 57-55 with 9:46 left and left the game at the 7:47 mark with Kansas trailing 64-57. Traylor was -9 for his +/- ratio during that 2 minutes. In 6 minutes of play he entered the game twice with Kansas having the lead and the team was -14 while he was on the court.

Granted the team played bad when Traylor was on the court (That's an understatement), but Bill Self is solely responsible for that decision. You can blame the guards or whomever else, but the team was completely chaotic with Traylor on the floor. There is no other way to explain this loss. This team is a complete disaster with Traylor on the floor. All that magic we witnessed in the fist half was never even possible with Traylor on the court. And despite Lucas' superb play IMO tonight, the combination of Lucas and Traylor on the floor together is atrocious. All you have to do is re-watch that 6 minutes to see where Kansas lost this game.

Brian Conrad 3 years, 9 months ago

Seldon 15 + we win ...11 we lose. check all game stats for season .. 9 first half 2 second ... hmmmm

Vic Janeway 3 years, 9 months ago

When Mason is confident he can pull up and shoot without driving all the time, but his fear of losing causes some stupid driving. Selden just seems to disappear when he is most needed.

James Kim 3 years, 9 months ago

Listening to Self's recent postgame pressers, he sounds like a man resigned to the fact that this team just isn't that good right now and may never be this year.

There is nobody on this squad that you can say is gifted enough to control the game on either end. This is a roster full of average to above-average players who lack the collective basketball IQ, poise, and cohesiveness necessary to overcome the absence of elite talent.

Just hard to see how a team led by middling guards like Mason and Graham could ever really be a legit threat in March/April.

Hope I am wrong.

William Weissbeck 3 years, 9 months ago

How are you supposed to recruit the next Svi or Dialo if you don't play the ones we have now?

Allin Herring 3 years, 9 months ago

Well it is either one of two things. 1. Neither one of them are very good or 2. Coach Self has lost it. I vote for both 1 and 2

Alan Mills 3 years, 9 months ago

Tough one to watch last night. Doubtful Mason will have many games like that, but bad timing to have one of his worst in memory. It would seem the concerns are pretty simple. Selden continues to lack any sort of leadership. Both offense and defense are lacking with Selden. Decision making is poor. And, what might be worst is his body language. He looks totally lost at all times. He started the year so hot on offense, but that seems to have completely abandoned him. Graham continues to show little ability to guard. Offensive decision making, again, is weak for Graham. For every strong play he makes, there seem to be two poor shots or turnovers. It seems clear that the Jayhawks have become a team totally reliant on 3-point shooting. When they are making everything, they look like world-beaters. When they are not, they can lose to anybody. Other than that, there really seems to be little offense. They appear completely unable to work to get a good shot. Instead, half-court offense seems limited to giving it to Ellis and letting him go 1-on-1, taking a 3-point shot that isn't falling right now, or forcing a bad drive and shot by one of the guards. Since the Jayhawks aren't showing much ability or interest in guarding the other team, something has to improve at the offensive end. Maybe we're back to the days of Roy, try to outscore the other team? That would be sad.

Caleb Wagner 3 years, 9 months ago

Mason had a terrible game; that happens to anyone from time to time. He was trying to do too much when he really didn't need to. As soon as Iowa State started cutting down the lead the guys started to rush and weren't patient enough,forcing tough passes and drives. I feel like his crappy play was the difference. Mason's play of late reminds me of Sherron's junior year as well, the dude would shoot us out of games in a heartbeat...then sometimes he'd shoot us right back into the game Its discouraging to see Ellis and Selden fade at times. Everyone on here is dogging on Lucas but I thought he played a solid game; yes he is extremely limited offensively but he made a huge difference on the glass and on defense. As far as the Mickleson situation I will say this: Lucas has another year with us, it's prudent that he develops and gains confidence. Diallo should have another year with us as well but when he's in the game he looks lost and nervous. Had Diallo been allowed to start off from the get go he would have shaken those nerves and rust off by now and ironed out alot of the kinks keeping him off the floor. Therefore it's Lucas and Diallo that make their way into the rotation, Mickleson's game really isn't enough to justify eating those minutes. I'm not Bill Self and I trust Bill Self, but I'd be interested to see Graham come off the bench, to allow Mason to breathe and bring a missing 6th man dynamic. This would also fix the lineup situation of not getting Svi or Greene enough minutes as one would slide into the starting lineup at the 2. This is a lineup I would really like to see: 1. Mason, 2. Selden, 3. Ellis, 4. Bragg, 5. Lucas....just for a short spell in the game, but I think it would be dynamic.

Chris Shaw 3 years, 9 months ago

Great post. I don't fault Mason or Lucas. I fault the decision making for playing Traylor and playing Lucas and Traylor together.

Selden and Mason started forcing things because they saw who who was on the court. Lucas and traylor doesn't exactly ring a big endorsement in the trustworthy reliability department.

Lucas played well last night but I'm not really sure how a coach who gets paid 5 million plus and a bunch of assistants who get paid $250,000 a season would think that combination is a good idea.

The whole offensive rhythm and flow was all shot to hell when Traylor was on the court. Great kid, but all you have to do is watch the 6 minutes Traylor was on the floor to see how chaotic the offense and everyone involved in the court looked. Film don't lie!

Caleb Wagner 3 years, 9 months ago

Yea the Lucas, Traylor combo is a huge glitch on the offensive end.

However, we're stuck with what we have and in a late game situation that was the default combo Self had to go with to give Perry a breather. Bragg had a few defensive possessions where he got moved around pretty easy and didn't really attack the glass. Diallo as we have seen so far is super duper raw....leaving us with Traylor (since Mickleson appears to be glued to the bench).

So yea I agree that bench management was horrid. Perry should've left for a breather when Niang left, not as soon as he came back in.

I still think Mason can make better decisions regardless of which post combination is out there. the guards can whip it around like they did in the first half and be patient instead of barreling into the lane and hoping for a foul call (by now we should know we won't ever get any call in our favor). Back to back possessions I believe Mason slashed to the cup and basically lunged into a defender, handing off an easy block, hoping to get a foul call.

Chris Shaw 3 years, 9 months ago

I agree that the guards and especially Mason and Selden can play better but think about it. Self is running the hi-lo so things have to almost go perfectly in the post for everything else to function properly from a rhythm standpoint. Your frontcourt lacks talent and things don't go well...its the double whammy for all involved on the court.

The decision making in the front court is leading to I decision amongst the guards and Ellis IMO. Just a great big cluster if you ask me.

Doug Clark 3 years, 9 months ago

I agree, Lucas and Traylor together is a disaster, they are no threat on offense and the other team gets to play 5 on 3 which forces the 3 guards to make things happen which is bad all around. Another thing that I don't get is using Traylor in the weave up top, what the hell is he going to do with it, most likely he will turn it over, he definitely is no threat to score, at least Perry can take his man offcthe dribble if he has an opening. Also, Greene has one weapon, shooting, and that's it, he is clumsy and slow on defense and other teams focus on not letting him open so that makes him disappear, why not play Svi who can at least handle the ball better and can drive it to the basket if need be. Lastly, why the hell would you keep switching the pick and roll and end up with Graham guarding Niang in the post, it seems as if Coach Self is in the same funk the players are in, I am totally frustrated and at a loss, I don't know what the hell he's trying to accomplish, it just blows my mind that he continues to seem to make poor decisions just like the players do, he's not putting the guys or the team in the best situations to be successful, these last few games are not just the players fault, our coach seems to get outcoached while our players get outplayed, that's a bad combination.

Linda Peschka 3 years, 9 months ago

It is interesting how many of you forgot how poorly Mason has been playing in the last 4 games, esp the one where he had 7 turnovers. As a point guard(most of the time) he has to play under control, which he doesn't. How many times did he drive to the goal and either have the ball stolen or threw(NOT SHOOT) the ball up without any idea if it would score but just wanting to get fouled. Time after time. Look at the shooting numbers for Mason, Graham, and Selden. Poor, Poor, Poor and there was the real issue. Of course always leave Ellis in to play.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

I've noticed our offense is not whipping the ball around nearly as well as early in the year. Not sure if opposing teams have caught on or what. It could be we had fresher players with the 8-9 man rotation. This 7 man rotation has not looked good.

Mick Allen 3 years, 9 months ago

Allin, I take it you didn't vote Frank to second team all Big 12 last year? Frank did not take care of the ball against ISU or WVU granted.

Mick Allen 3 years, 9 months ago

Linda, look at the shooting numbers for Mason against ISU. He was 6 for11. Shooting was not his problem. Taking care of the ball was.

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