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Wednesday, January 20, 2016

Self sees no reason to panic just yet

Oklahoma State security helps to shield as Kansas head coach Bill Self and his staff leave the court following the Jayhawks' 86-67 loss to Oklahoma State on Tuesday, Jan. 19, 2016 at Gallagher-Iba Arena in Stillwater, Okla.

Oklahoma State security helps to shield as Kansas head coach Bill Self and his staff leave the court following the Jayhawks' 86-67 loss to Oklahoma State on Tuesday, Jan. 19, 2016 at Gallagher-Iba Arena in Stillwater, Okla.

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Bill Self, the coach of the country’s No. 3-ranked college basketball team, is not ready to panic after two losses in the last three Big 12 games — both setbacks on the road.

“What we need to do is we need to have some good things happen,” Self, Kansas University’s 13th-year coach, said Wednesday on his “Hawk Talk” radio show. “But we need to remember who we are and we’ve got a darn good team and good players and certainly there’s so much to play for.

“But sometimes one loss around this place (KU) seems like three or four or five at other places. That’s not the way it is. It’s too long a season to be totally worried about what potentially could happen. We are going through the same things that every team in the country is going through,” Self added.

Self’s Jayhawks (15-3, 4-2) have averaged 67.3 points a game in four games since opening Big 12 play with an 102-74 win over Baylor and 109-106, 3OT victory over Oklahoma.

“It’s still early,” said Self. Baylor at this juncture tops the league standings with a 5-1 record, followed by KU, Oklahoma, West Virginia and Texas at 4-2. Iowa State is 3-3, Texas Tech and OSU 2-4, K-State and TCU 1-5.

“We haven’t helped ourselves at all by not taking care of business at a couple places (West Virginia, OSU). Those are hard games. There will be other people lose at those respective places. Still though it does give you the feeling there’s less margin for error moving forward,” Self said.

“We talked about this as a group today (in what he called a ‘little visitation session’) ... we shouldn’t be talking about the league race. We should just be talking about getting better and being as good as this team can be. The No. 11 (league titles in row) and is it going to be 12? We talked openly that it’s not a pressure thing intentionally. When a lot of questions are asked it makes you think and expectations are high. It’s not going for 12. It’s going for the first one with this group. They need to look at it that way.”

Self addressed with his players the fact they’ve looked lethargic.

“I think your bodies can be fresh sometimes but sometimes you are stressed for whatever reason,” Self said. “There could be different things going on with you to maybe create a situation where you do not quite feel as rested. I really feel the last 10 days or so we’ve looked like a team that was fatigued a little bit. That’s not an excuse by any stretch. It’s reality everybody goes through these things at different times during the season.

“We haven’t screened. It seems like we are a quarter-step late which doesn’t have anything to do with trying. It has more something to do with maybe our focus or our magic level that we are not quite getting to that we get to at different times,” he added. “We are not a team that is going to win on talent alone. I don’t care what anybody says. We don’t have the so-called lottery picks. What we have is a bunch of really good players. We need to play with that energy to allow us to have the intangibles to win. Talent can win. Intangibles win championships. I’m not sure we’ve played with the same intangibles the last couple games.”

He was asked about junior Wayne Selden, Jr., who scored seven points off 3-of-8 shooting at OSU.

“Wayne (Selden, Jr.) hasn’t shot it as well. Shooting comes and goes. He probably hasn’t impacted the game as much of late than what he was earlier,” Self said. “We talked about that today a lot. He sees that. He has to rebound, do some different things that give our team a chance other than him just making shots. I look for him to be much more aggressive doing those things starting Saturday (1 p.m., game vs. Texas in Allen Fieldhouse).

“Whether it be Frank (Mason III), Devonté (Graham), Perry or Wayne, look at them individually and you can say they’ve all had really, really good years. Look at them individually the last 10 days we have not been quite as good. You don’t go from being a really, really, really outstanding player to not-a-good-player in the span of a week. We’ve just happened to hit a rut for the most part where we collectively haven’t done it as well as we were before, something we need to get out of and climb out of and I think we will. We have too good of players not to.”

Of freshman forward Cheick Diallo, who had four points and two boards while playing 13 minutes in his first collegiate start Tuesday, Self said: “He was very nervous and understandably so. I think if he is put in that situation again he’ll react a little bit more positively. He’s such a good kid. We talked about it today. He came by the office. He was the first one at least that I saw today. It’s always good to go over those things (that happened in game). He’ll learn from that. I’m excited for the progress that he’s made and even more excited for the progress I think he’s getting ready to make.”

Top prospect coming to town: KU recruiting target DeAndre Ayton and his Phoenix Hillcrest Academy squad will meet Sunrise Christian at 7 p.m., Saturday, at Free State High. Ayton, a 6-11, 225-pound junior, is ranked No. 4 in the recruiting Class of 2017 by Rivals.com. Ayton is originally from the Bahamas as is KU red-shirt forward Dwight Coleby. Ayton will attend the KU-Texas game Saturday on an unofficial recruiting visit. Also in the stands will be Josh Jackson, No. 1 player in the Class of 2016, who will be in town on an official recruiting trip. Jackson is a 6-7 senior guard from Prolific Prep in Napa, California.

Comments

Bryce Landon 5 years, 9 months ago

If you look at the Big 12 standings, guess who's in first place all by their lonesome right now - Baylor. The same Baylor squad we took to the woodshed.

Despite getting our @$$es kicked by Oklahoma State, if Baylor can recover from a blowout loss, we can too and get back to the top of the standings.

Joe Joseph 5 years, 9 months ago

Agreed.

Losing on the road to an average (at best) OSU team in a half empty arena is a bad loss, but not as bad as losing a home game.

If Kansas can hold serve at home and win just 3 more road games it finishes at 13-5 and has a great chance of at least sharing the conference title. Not that that will be easy, but at this point in the season Kansas still has to be considered a favorite to win the conference.

Kent Richardson 5 years, 9 months ago

Do you see us as a fragile team that can't get up from the third knock down? WVU loses at home to Texas? Is this the best conference overall? Over halfway through the whole season and no voice of reason anywhere. Bill is talking about not panicking which can mean that is exactly what he may be thinking. This is the season for reason and their isn't any. Kind of fun really.

Joe Joseph 5 years, 9 months ago

I don't see this team as fragile in a mental context (as I assume you're implying), just injured in key positions at the moment. I am worried, however, that whatever injuries are bugging Frank and, most likely, Wayne won't be easy to resolve. So maybe fragile in a physical context.

Conference play - and not just in the Big XII - has been wild so far. That gives me hope that all is not lost for KU. Baylor and Oklahoma are the only teams in the conference that do not have bad losses so far. That will change, however, because Baylor's home court is pathetic and OU, as a largely jump-shooting team, will have poor stretches as well.

Dale Rogers 5 years, 9 months ago

I don't see this as Self panicking. I see this as Self addressing what he is hearing from fans and media as well as answering a question about whether the team is panicking. This is not the first time KU (or any team) has been through this. We've seen it before and the team always comes back. Like someone else said awhile back, the fans of most teams in the country would be thrilled to have KU's record right now but here at Kansas if we lose a couple of games, a bunch of fans think the sky is falling. I'm not saying you are acting that way, I'm just replying to your question.

Andy Hess 5 years, 9 months ago

yea, because I'm sure if Self were panicking, he'd run right out to the newspaper and openly admit it. of course he's going to say that he's not panicking.

Brett McCabe 5 years, 9 months ago

For a team that hasn't shown a great deal of toughness, they'll need all that they can muster now. As we are right now, I wouldn't consider us a road favorite in any arena except TCU. And Shaka ball is on it's way to Larryville.

This team has obviously shown the capability of competing with and beating virtually anyone, so anything is possible. How they respond vs. Texas will tell us a lot. The house should be juiced, and maybe these guys will play more freely now that they've been boxed around a couple of times.

Self mentions that their mental energy is not where it should be. What's the cause? More BG drama? McDonald's stress? No. 1 Ranking? Isolation in the Taj Mahal? MIA upperclassmen leaders? Hidden injuries?

Whatever it is, I'm excited to see how they come out on Saturday. Something tells me that a little home cooking is going make them feel better.

Joe Joseph 5 years, 9 months ago

I'm still riding with undisclosed injuries (mainly Mason) as being the main cause for the stretch of poor play.

I'm curious about your BG drama presumptions. You've brought this up before. Are you hearing anything that suggests he is a problem? Do his teammates like him/ dislike him? They all seem to cheer him on mightily when he's on the court and doing well. Genuine question.

Brett McCabe 5 years, 9 months ago

Joe, I don't have any info. and I should probably be careful with the insinuations. I thought that it was interesting that BG didn't travel, and that Self mentions mental issues in the post-game. So, as a card carrying conspiracy theorist, I jumped way down the track to Assumptionville.

In Christian Garrett's senior speech, he pointed out how hilarious BG is, which means he's probably fun to be around. However, the tantrum says more to me about his influence on the team. A class clown can disrupt a class both easily and regularly. If the entertainer and the teacher can work out a partnership, it can actually help. If not, it becomes a major distraction.

I'm a Bill Parcels kind of old school guy. His first rule? Get rid of distractions because it makes the team better.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 9 months ago

Injured players don't typically travel. It was mentioned multiple times that Greene banged knees with someone in practice and could barely walk. There's no reason to doubt that.

Mike Greer 5 years, 9 months ago

Brett, you stated ". . . BG didn't travel . . ." If you mean to Stillwater, he was there, he wasn't suited up but in warm ups, he threw a few balls during the half time warm up. I was at the game unfortunately, reasonably sure it was him.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 9 months ago

Mike has it right.. Greene was at the game.

Kent Richardson 5 years, 9 months ago

Brett you sound more confident than Bill. He is looking for some intangible magic and you want some home cooking. I'm hungry so let's go with the Bretti Lama and the feel good mantra.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 9 months ago

Calling the Jayhawks the 3rd ranked team it is a little misleading. Next week, they will no longer be in the top five and no longer will we be the BIG 12's highest ranked team -- for whatever that's worth.

Maybe now isn't the time to panic but let's not wait until the second half against Wichita State. Brett, I think you're right on with the mental softness of this team. I think the coach needs to take the reins on that. So often, teams will play with the same mental attitude of their coach. This has been shown again and again in just about every team sport.

If the coach isn't up to it then we need to have one of the players step up and take on that role. With this team, is there such a player?

Tom Jones 5 years, 9 months ago

This coach has proven that he's up to it, but he can only do so much. This is just not a vocal team. The strongest personalities on the team are Graham and Traylor. That won't cut it.

Eliott Reeder 5 years, 9 months ago

As Cheick comes along and gets more comfortable, I am hoping his energy and demeanor will become infectious. It might seem incongruous for a freshman to become a "leader" on a senior laden team, but it's possible.

Robert Brock 5 years, 9 months ago

If Taylor puts up 30+ points on Mason, THEN it will be time to panic.

Jay Scott 5 years, 9 months ago

Will Mason guard Taylor or will he guard the shorter and stockier Javan Felix letting Graham guard Taylor??

Dustin Peterson 5 years, 9 months ago

Guessing that because Frank actually did a great job limiting shots from Buddy Hield (even though Hield went off something stupid), I think Frank gets the assignment.

Andy Hess 5 years, 9 months ago

anytime we give up more than 40 points to one player on our home court, NO ONE did a great job defensively on him.

Dustin Peterson 5 years, 9 months ago

I'm paraphrasing Bill Self here, but just because the ball goes in the hole, doesn't mean it was a good shot. I also remembering him specifically praise Mason for holding Hield to 11 shots in 35 minutes, but saying unfortunately 8 of them went in.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 9 months ago

Even Hield said after the game that Mason did a good job on him and couldn't foul Mason out despite Mason being on Hield with 4 fouls for all of the OT's and end of regulation.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 9 months ago

I heard exactly the same thing Aaron. I think the reason they took Selden off of him was because he picked up a few quick fouls.

Jay Scott 5 years, 9 months ago

Not 100% sure of the exact numbers but a good observation Adam. Nice.

Dustin Peterson 5 years, 9 months ago

Are we changing the subject now, or are you suggesting Wayne Selden guard Isaiah Taylor? Just want to be clear.

Joe Ross 5 years, 9 months ago

The key word in the title of this article is "...Yet".

Coach Self has the right perspective. For now. However, as pressure builds it becomes less of a motivating force and more of an incapacitating one. This team needs to envision games less as games and more as battles to be hard fought and won. Each and every time they take the floor. The one good thing about the beat down in WV is that it provides that kind of focus.

In any case, all is not well with this team. Huge issues that need huge solutions.

Eliott Reeder 5 years, 9 months ago

I think it will take beating WVU and OSU at home to exorcise this team's current demons. Once that is accomplished, the ship will be righted.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 9 months ago

It's not just the last few games, especially OSU, that has shattered my confidence in this team to compete at a high level, in all venues. This group has shown repeatedly lack of toughness and a trend to just lay down and quit.

Mason's situation has me most concerned. His loafing vs OSU must be attributed to something serious. Over Mason's time at KU, he's been really bad and really good but never a loafer. He's either seriously injured or totally mentally spent. Either way, he needs some bench time to get over his ails because he's killing us on the court.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 9 months ago

If a player is injured, regardless of what or where it come from, and can not compete, he does not belong in the game.

Janet Olin 5 years, 9 months ago

Certainly understandable if Frank's problems Tues. were because of a knee to the privates; he got beat up in that game pretty good. Still doesn't explain why he hasn't been mentally in the game the last 2 or 3 games; something else must be going on that they're covering up.

Dale Koch 5 years, 9 months ago

I'd rather take an injured Mason that any other of the replacements that might have to fill in for him. That's been proven, don't you think?

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 9 months ago

Not whatever type of ailment he's suffering from now. Against OSU he played 34 minutes without an assist, shot poorly, could not get the offense in gear or drive effectively, and could not defend. His previous games vs WVA and TTU we about the same.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 9 months ago

No.. We can play with one guard and bring in an extra wing if needed. I'd like to see Vick get some of those minutes when Frank is out.

Mick Allen 5 years, 9 months ago

Watched Texas defeat WVU last night in an ugly game. WVU turned Texas over only 8 times. Texas, which presses,practices against the press and they demonstrated that last night as they kept their composure. Texas and Shakka will press us and Frank, Devonte and Wayne must take care of the ball. Taylor is a premier point guard who didn't look to score as much last night but took care of the ball. I agree Jay, I think Devonte will start the game guarding Taylor. Felix made some big baskets late for the Longhorns. It was almost like an out of body experience cheering for Texas and the Mildcats last night. Another close, gut wrenching loss for the Cats. Liberace,[ Bruce Weber] seemed extremely perplexed with another tough loss. I would venture with a 1 and 5 conference record they are the best 1 and 5 team in the country.Poor Cats!

Jay Scott 5 years, 9 months ago

Cheering for ut and ksu was hard to reconcile.....

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 9 months ago

Yes it is but it's something I could never do with Missouri.

Mick Allen 5 years, 9 months ago

Suzi, you have never been a fan of Frank's. I remember you thought Frankamp should start ahead of him. Starting with the WVU loss Frank has admittedly not played well. I don't recall the "loafing" in the OSU loss and if he did that, that would be extremely out of character for him. While his performance against WVU[7 turnovers] was horrendous, he was our leading scorer and tied for leading rebounder against OSU. While his 2 threes came when the game was over and he had no assists with 2 turnovers, his teammates also contributed to that defeat. Wayne disappeared, Perry looked intimidated against length and rim protectors again in the second half, Devonte did not have a good second half, and Svi, one of our "shooters" goes 1 for7. I believe Frank has looked a step slower recently as he seems to be having more difficulty getting his lead shoulder past his defender to get to the lane off the bounce. Three to four times a game, Frank while going to the cup, gets pinwheeled while in the air and takes some hard falls. The cumulative affects of these falls might be causing some physical limitations. Obviously a win Saturday, with ISU there Monday, is imperative.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 9 months ago

I sure have been a Mason fan, especially after his WUG and early season performance this year. Before he emerged as a dependable elite performer, prior to this dip, he always showed high potential and ALWAYS gave everything he had.

Go back and watch him in the OSU game, especially in the second half when the game got away from us...1) watch him running down the court allowing Newberry to hit a huge 3 for their 50th point, 2) again watch him on Newberry when points 57 are scored, 3) watch his inability to move to keep Ibaka (?) off the board/put back a bit later. Yes the OSU guy was much bigger but Mason has shown on many similar prior occasions the strength and agility to keep a much bigger guy blocked off the boards.

Mason needs a break from either a physical injury or mental exhaustion because to have any kind of hope to win the Big 12 or advance far into the NCAA, we need a healthy Mason.

Dale Koch 5 years, 9 months ago

Who in the world are you going to have take his place. Anyone else is a huge step backwards, injured Frank or not.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 9 months ago

No kidding! Without Mason our prospects are very dim. We have to get him right to have a solid shot. As for short term, hopefully only a week or so, perhaps moving Graham to the 1 and Selden back to the 2 and Mykailiuk/Greene at the 3.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 9 months ago

Svi looks his best when he puts the ball on the floor. the kid has some nice moves on the way to the basket. his 3 point shooting is iffy at times.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 9 months ago

You don't need to replace him, you can let Graham become the primary ball handler if needed.

Harlan Hobbs 5 years, 9 months ago

Thanks, Mick, for putting things in perspective. Do you suppose that they are calling for the head of Bob Huggins after losing a home game. How about Coach K, Calipari, and Tom Izzo as their teams are struggling. Good heavens, three straight losses by Michigan State including last night to Nebraska. Am sure Coach Izzo will be on the next train out of town.

Just had to get that off my chest even though it only applies to a few of the KU posters.

Need to have our sneakers laced up real tight this Saturday against Texas. Shaka Smart wants to beat us so bad, he can taste it.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 9 months ago

Harlan,

Who here has advocated for Bill Self's head?

Brett McCabe 5 years, 9 months ago

Jared,

It's much easier for many to fight an enemy of their own creation.

In the past two years that I've been active on this board, I've literally seen maybe one or two commenters remotely suggest that Self should be released. But nearly everyday I read posts of people defending against the throng of Self-haters who are trying to run him out of town.

I guess that imaginary enemies are easier to defeat than real ones.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 9 months ago

I just ignore those ridiculous post, as does most all the other regular posters.

Jay Scott 5 years, 9 months ago

Harlan,

The good news, according to some of the the participants in this forum, is that Coach Self regularly checks here to learn how to best prepare the team from the sage advice of his much more qualified critics.

AD Zenger, so we're told, also checks here daily to determine if Coach Self should keep his job or be replaced, perhaps by one of the commenting geniuses.

Hopefully Coach Self also requires the players to peruse these forums for advice on technique, game situations and motivation.

Benz Junque 5 years, 9 months ago

I can 100% guarantee that there have been many occasions where a segment of UK fans have called for Calipari's job. And if I were to make an effort to go find message boards of those other teams then I would assume they have a lunatic fringe as well.

Jay Scott 5 years, 9 months ago

Is "lunatic fringe" more polite than "Chicken Littles"? Just wondering.

Mick Allen 5 years, 9 months ago

Harlan, there is a fine line between constant ongoing criticism of Coach and saying he should be gone. It is hard to infer support for coach when he is frequently challenged over his use of certain personnel, failing to motivate and being responsible for lethargic play. While it is proper to question certain decisions made by a coach and a failure to adjust a system that has been proven so successful, to the strengths and weaknesses of the current squad, when the daily bleat of dissatisfaction reaches a roar, it is hard to discern support for the coach from his most frequent critics. You bring up a good point which is, are Calipari,Coach K and Izzo immune from a daily quizzing of their abilities to lead their programs? Probably not, as it comes with the turf. However, these same critics have to give credit and acknowledge that coach has made many more correct decisions than incorrect ones as clearly demonstrated by his HOF resume. The parity in college basketball is very real and even the blue ribbon programs, of which we are one, will suffer defeats their followers believe can't happen but do happen with some regularity.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 9 months ago

Mick,

Can a fan support and coach and agree with 95% of what they do, but want to discuss areas of disagreement? Can a fan support the team but be frustrated when they lose and suggest how the team could learn from their mistakes? Isn't both praise and critical analysis part of being on a discussion board with other fans?

Ignoring a team's or coach's weaknesses seems like a recipe for disappointment.

Jay Scott 5 years, 9 months ago

Yes Jared, you're free to do that any time you decide to change from your constant whining, nonsensical criticism and rhetorical questions.....

That would be a great step forward for you!

Jared Reeves 5 years, 9 months ago

Jay,

I think is it funny how you want to insert yourself into any conversation. Someone needs attention today. Feel free to have the last word.

Jay Scott 5 years, 9 months ago

Have you reduced yourself to that childish cop out again Jared? A lawyer that can't defend his own thoughts? Pretty sad. KU Law weeps.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 9 months ago

At times, I don't think the student body realizes how lucky they are to be at Kansas during Bill Self's tenure. I really liked Ted Owens but he coached probably 3 – 5 years longer than he should have. It would have been great to see our team making runs in the NCAA tournament instead of winning about 50% of the games on their schedule.

I remember the "Gong Owens" signs plus much worse that I know must have hurt Coach Owens. If you really want to see HCBS move on then don't bitch about who replaces him.

Freddie Garza 5 years, 9 months ago

Newsflash folks:

There's going to come a time when KU does NOT win the league. Could be this year. I would hope that most of us understand that and don't freak the heck out when it happens. We lost two games in a row on the road. That's not ideal, but at the end of the day, we STILL have a good team that I'd put up against any other team in America when they're firing on all cylinders.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 9 months ago

Freddie,

I agree, but this team is more than capable of extending that streak. I don't think we should resign ourselves to the idea that the team can't improve or can't learn from its mistakes.

Jay Scott 5 years, 9 months ago

Translation - Every time anything is done that doesn't fit with Jared's coaching philosophy, it's a mistake. And who wouldn't want to change everything to Jared's proven vision....oops...learn from mistakes.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 9 months ago

Jay,

I am sorry that you feel that you can silence the opinions of those with which you disagree.

Jay Scott 5 years, 9 months ago

Not silence it Jared, show the comical ignorance of it. It's almost, but not quite, too easy to debunk and mock your comments for it to be fun.

Sam Burns 5 years, 9 months ago

Jay and Jared, how about settling your issues on the basketball court? I don't know either one of you, but I'd enjoy watching you match up! lol

Craig Alexander 5 years, 9 months ago

But we should see the desire in this team at least to want to win. Especially when the conference this year is at its strongest.

Brett McCabe 5 years, 9 months ago

Freddie,

Did you see this board after the Baylor and OU games? It was lit up with complimentary posts left and right.

Again, if you want to fight imaginary foes - have at it.

Jay Scott 5 years, 9 months ago

When you reply to opinions that are not posted, which you have in responding to Freddie, you're the one having an imaginary discussion.

Real or imaginary, your result in any debate is the same. You look silly.

Mick Allen 5 years, 9 months ago

Jared, certainly a fan can be supportive while respectfully questioning some coaching decisions. But the flip side of that is when we are successful, which coach is 85% of the time, let's not be reluctant to recognize that success every bit as vociferously as we do when we question his ability.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 9 months ago

Mick,

Well said. Although, I think with KU fans we expect to win, so winning doesn't provide the same level of emotion as does losing. Also, I think sometimes our flaws are masked when we win, and when we lose people start paying attention (and start writing on message boards). So, I agree that we should give credit when credit is due, and have our eyes open to problems before a loss, so our emotions don't lead to ranting.

Unfortunately sometimes many people aren't aware of the teams problems, because some commentators try to silence any discussion about the teams deficiencies by engaging in personal attacks and ad hominem arguments. (I predict one of them will reply to this post).

Barry Weiss 5 years, 9 months ago

The good news is we are still early in the season. I thought 4 losses would win the conference....at WV, at Norman, at Ames and one other. That is probably too optimistic but who knows. Holding serve at home is a must. The WV loss to Texas last night at WV was big. I think we just had a bad shooting night at OSU. Just keep Bragg and Diallo at 20 minutes each, per game, and we will out survive the other teams with less depth.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 9 months ago

one other thing I have noticed in the last several games, it appears the refs are allowing more contact than in the early games of the year. It seems like we don't get as many "and one's" or even a call at all when Frank or Perry drive and end up on the floor. So I think we need to adapt to a more physical style.

Mick Allen 5 years, 9 months ago

Suzi, with all due respect your suggestion to bench Frank for a week and start Devonte, Wayne and Svi/ or Brannon against UT and ISU seems to ignore the fact the the Longhorns will press and ISU wants to play fast so taking care of the ball against both teams will be pivotal. Wayne and Svi have average handles and handling the ball is not a strength of Brannon. Since our half court offense has struggled I think it crucial that we get easy baskets against the press and play fast. To accomplish this I think you need your best ball handling line up on the court. Frank and Devonte admittedly have had trouble keeping their man in front of them. Do you think Wayne and /or Svi and/ or Brannon will be anymore effective keeping Taylor and Felix in front of them? Devonte and Frank both have quick hands, anticipate the pass and jump the passing lanes leading to run outs and easy baskets.LaGerald Vick would be a better match up defensively. We can not afford to get beat off the bounce necessitating help doubling the ball leading to uncontested threes as happened all too frequently in the OSU game.As we know in all likelihood, Coach will not play zone, so if Frank and Devonte are still getting beat into the lane we might play a somewhat softer man to man 2 to 3 steps off your man instead of the in your face, denial man Coach prefers. Norm Stewart's good teams played the sagging man to man very effectively. I know it is heresy to compliment Norm but he implemented that defensive philosophy well. Frank and Devonte must play better and I am optimistic they will.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 9 months ago

I'm not suggesting it would be a walk in the park. Also, if not bench him, reduce his PT significantly. Personally, I don't think this team has the skills (i.e. lateral quickness) to play man defense and needs to switch to zone.

We are on the same page thinking we need to get Mason back to normal. As for Graham, he takes care of the ball and can get assist but overall he's only slightly above average.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 9 months ago

Norm never once watched a Final 4..well at least not w/his players playing in it. Not sure he's someone I want our team to emulate..

Christopher Giordano 5 years, 9 months ago

First let me say that Bill Self is one of the best College Basketball Coaches in America. There would be a line at his door if KU was foolish enough to let him go. With that said, I always wonder why, with all our talented bodies, Coach Self does spring a couple of presses on our opponent each game. It seems to me that our kids really like that style of play and it may knock off the some of the lethargic play. The past few games it seems that Self is content with allowing the opponent to run its set on offense rather than attack the other team and take them out of their plan. I'm baffled Self has yet to maximize the talent and bodies to his advantage. He always has the best and most athletes from top to bottom in the BigXII. Let's Go Jayhawks!!

John Randall 5 years, 9 months ago

I'm not sure I agree about always having the "best" players. For the past several years, our recruits tend to fit the description "really good kids" closer than "great players when they need to be." Maybe we could use a few of both kinds ??

Mick Allen 5 years, 9 months ago

Jared, aren't we fans fortunate that "we expect to win" at KU? Why do we expect to win? Because the fine athletes and tremendous coaches we have attracted to our nationally prominent program have given us every reason to believe we will win.Coach recognized our deficiencies against OSU and held himself accountable for contributing to our poor play. He is paid $4,000,000. a year to recognize our deficiencies and to correct them. Let us let him earn his pay.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 9 months ago

I think he actually makes 5 mil, without incentives and I think he is worth every penny.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 9 months ago

Mick, I don’t disagree with your first point about why we expect to win. However, I disagree with your latter point, which seems to indicate we have blind faith. First, fans discussing amongst themselves ways this team can improve is not mutually exclusive with the coach earning his pay. Second, HCBS is not omnipotent, and can make mistakes even though he earns $4M/year.

Finally, why do some people feel so threatened when fans want to discuss ideas on doing things differently or how they think the team can improve? This is good and healthy for fans. I can guarantee you that HCBS wants people to be talking about the team, including ways the team could improve, because it shows we care.

I may not agree with Christopher Giordano's opinion on how the team should change, but he has a right to have his opinion without being personally attacked. He clearly thinks HCBS is a great coach. Is he not letting HCBS earn his pay asking a question/having an opinion? Why do we tolerate trolls who like attention and want to attack anyone who has an opinion on ways this team can improve? (I am not claiming you are doing this).

Jay Scott 5 years, 9 months ago

Nobody feels threatened Jared. It's just that when you say stupid things, which you do often, others rightfully point them out as being stupid.

Saying that anyone is "threatened" or whatever term you choose is just your way of avoiding coming to grips with the reality that your flawed ideas and constant whining can't stand up to scrutiny.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 9 months ago

Coach is having omnipotent issues? I'll send him some of my Viagra....

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 9 months ago

Too bad he didn't recognize our 'deficiencies' and make adjustments at halftime...

Jared Reeves 5 years, 9 months ago

I have no problem when people disagree with me; however, I don't understand why some people "like" comments that are a collection of personal attacks. Is that the sort of discussion people really want on this forum? Is it too much to ask people to disagree and be civil?

Jay Scott 5 years, 9 months ago

Kudos on your new attempts at civility. Good luck. When do you plan to start?

Harlan Hobbs 5 years, 9 months ago

I have a pretty good memory, and there are several who have advocated that Bill Self should be fired. Hopefully, they were tongue in cheek, but given their venom, it is hard to know.

Of course, there is a difference between criticism and calling for a new "staff". The good news is that Coach Self hopefully doesn't give a rat's behind what we think.

I guess I just can't win. When I ask that we put things in perspective, I apparently have blind faith, but if you expect me jump off the KU bandwagon, you will have to wait an awful long time.

Michael Lorraine 5 years, 9 months ago

Without going back and counting I'd say there are about 5 who think Bill should be fired.

John Randall 5 years, 9 months ago

And those five either just enjoy pulling our chains or can't stand to see anybody getting more than a fair share of accolades (which only they deserve).

Harlan Hobbs 5 years, 9 months ago

I would be remiss if I didn't also mention Mick Allen. What a true and articulate gentleman!

I certainly agree with about everything he says, and I admire that he can put it in language much better than I can. It is a great attribute, which I would imagine has been in his gene pool for a long time.

Pius Waldman 5 years, 9 months ago

So many of us have opinions about what happened and what should happen in the future. When the team that leads the league needs 2 overtimes to defeat the team at the bottom says strange things happen. Yes we think certain players should play and others shouldn't. But the coach determines that so unless we gain a different coach (won't happen) we need to accept that situation. Discussion here is different than websites(like phognet) that support schools. Profanity and name calling seems to be more popular that disagreeing with posters. There will be more so called upsets and no team looks like much better than the others. Wow when Michigan State beat our Jayhawks national media placed them at the top of rankings. But now they are losing more than winning. The only suggestion I can make is we might try a crappy zone defense to see if it works.

Mick Allen 5 years, 9 months ago

Jared, I think you would agree that if you and I can recognize deficiencies in the program Coach can certainly recognize them too. We seem to disagree as to how and by whom those problems are to be corrected. I don't pretend to know the answers and would defer to the coach and staff that makes this game their livelihood and defer to their experience and knowledge Any coach that has had the success everywhere he's been as Coach has, is going to be reluctant to step too far away from that tried and true philosophy. He has built his reputation on the high-low offense and playing physical, denial man to man. This squad may well lack the personnel to play that way and I believe Coach sees that and while the adjustments he has made have not come as quickly as some would want, he has made some changes. He has incorporated the 3 point shot as an integral part of our offense, the "Fool's Gold" comment not withstanding. We have been playing faster, except in the last 3 games and he has used the 2 small guards to facilitate that tempo.The biggest complaints voiced here are the use of the current personnel after Wayne, Perry, Frank and Devonte and the allocation of playing time. I admit I have questioned how Hunter has been used, or more accurately, not used. As we both know none of our suggestions are going to influence Coach, nor should they as Jay has opined.The discussions are good and generally reflect the interest and knowledge of our fans. The bottom line for me my faith in Coach is not"Blind Faith" but a faith based on his knowledge of the game and what he knows is required to be successful

Harlan you are much to generous and your admiration is misplaced, but thank you. If I ever act like I have all the answers, which I certainly don't, tell me to STFU.

Benz Junque 5 years, 9 months ago

AS Self pointed out, the Chiefs SUCKED earlier in the season but recovered to get hot and make the playoffs and win a game. And the Royals SUCKED in late August early September to where many strongly doubted whether they could make a playoff run and they obviously did much more than that.

KU is in a slump and will recover. Their players are skilled, talented and experienced enough that if they recover and get back to playing to their capabilities then they will be fine.

The season is barely halfway over and people have lost their minds like the story of this team has already been printed and put on the shelf. Look around the sport. There isn't a single team immune from the craziness this year.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 9 months ago

I like the idea of having a rim protector to start the game at least. It can set the tone so to speak as far as the opposing team getting into some rhythm of taking it into the lane. If that does work, then the choice is either Hunter or Diallo. I tend to think Diallo is the way to go. He seems to have a much greater upside on offense to help Perry in the paint. The downside is he has not gotten as many reps as Hunter and the other 4 maybe can't run the offense as efficiently until he does play more.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 9 months ago

I would agree and if its not working, it doesn't take long to switch them out. Diallo/Ellis or Michelson/Bragg..

Justin Daniel 5 years, 9 months ago

I am not as worried about the conference champ streak ending as I am about the other streak we've started, exiting in the round of 32, continuing. The last week or two we have looked like the team that WSU beat last year and Stanford the year before.

Michael Lorraine 5 years, 9 months ago

No reasons for Bill to panic, the fans have done it for him.

Joe Ross 5 years, 9 months ago

With great respect, whether the fans are panicky or not, you never want a coach who does.

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