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Tuesday, January 19, 2016

No. 3 Jayhawks smoked in road loss at Oklahoma State

Kansas forward Cheick Diallo (13) loses a rebound to Oklahoma State guard Jawun Evans (1) during the first half, Tuesday, Jan. 19, 2016 at Gallagher-Iba Arena in Stillwater, Okla.

Kansas forward Cheick Diallo (13) loses a rebound to Oklahoma State guard Jawun Evans (1) during the first half, Tuesday, Jan. 19, 2016 at Gallagher-Iba Arena in Stillwater, Okla.

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For the second consecutive game away from Allen Fieldhouse, the Kansas University men's basketball team on Tuesday night lacked energy and passion and the Jayhawks watched their opponents take it right at 'em.

Tuesday night, Oklahoma State was that opponent and despite playing in front of a gym that was more than half empty right up until tip-off, the Cowboys got all the energy they needed from their play on the court and knocked off No. 3 Kansas, 86-67.

Just like that, for the third year in a row, the Oklahoma State fan base stormed the floor and the Jayhawks (15-3 overall, 4-2 Big 12) dropped their second conference game in a week's time.

Both were on the road and it's not exactly as if the rest of the conference is lighting things on fire, but if KU can't find a way to bring better effort on the road than it has in its past two road outings, their spot as kings of the conference could face a serious challenge.

Perry Ellis, once again, led the Jayhawks with 13 points, while Devonté Graham (10) and Frank Mason III (14) also cracked double digits. But none of the three appeared to be that sharp or efficient on offense, where KU shot 42 percent for the game.

What's more, KU's defense, which again was exposed in the half-court, allowed the Cowboys (10-8, 2-4) to shoot 50 percent from the floor for the night, a number very uncharacteristic of Bill Self teams.

Here’s a quick look back at some of the action:

• The game turned when: Oklahoma State pushed its five-point halftime lead into the 9-10 range six minutes into the second half. OSU stayed hot from the outside and, unlike Kansas, even picked up a few points in transition while extending the lead from a couple of possessions to one that genuinely made Kansas sweat.

• Offensive highlight: You know it was a rough night when the offensive highlight for Kansas was an outside jumper that looked smooth instead of forced or herky-jerky. So we'll just let that speak for itself here and not really pick an offensive “highlight.”

• Defensive highlight: The stats say KU finished with zero blocks and seven steals, one from seven different players. I can't really remember many of them, but the one I do remember came from Ellis, mid-second half. He poked the ball away from a driving Cowboy near the free-throw line and helped kick-start a transition opportunity for Kansas on the other end. It was one of the rare times Tuesday night, when KU looked to have a little spark on defense instead of sitting back and letting OSU take it to them.

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• Key stat: Three-point shooting. Not exactly known as a good outside shooting team, the Cowboys torched the nets to the tune of 11-of-21 shooting from downtown, while KU shot just 6-of-22.

• Up next: The Jayhawks will be back in Allen Fieldhouse on Saturday for a 1 p.m. tip-off against Texas. The game will mark the first time since he took over the UT program that Longhorns' coach Shaka Smart has walked into Allen Fieldhouse.

— See what people were saying about KU at Oklahoma State during KUsports.com’s live coverage


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By the Numbers: Oklahoma State 86, Kansas 67

By the Numbers: Oklahoma State 86, Kansas 67

Comments

David Kemp 3 years, 9 months ago

No words can describe how wrong this game went. Readily apparent is1 Lucas really can't play basketball,2 svi can't shoot 3 something is terribly wrong with mason 4 Perry can't be a go to guy 5 Walden fading into his won't be nba drafted mode 6 Bill can be responsible for not developing Bragg and diallo

Brianna Zaleski 3 years, 9 months ago

Absolutely embarrassing. This team has no heart or will to win. Conference streak is over, and, in a year where we really could've been a legitimate contender nationally, we are proving to be content playing back with the pack. No stepping up and separating ourselves as one of the best teams in the country. I'm just disgusted and flat out embarrassed.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

With all due respect, if your self esteem is based on how some college students play basketball you should indeed be embarrassed.

Jack Hoff 3 years, 9 months ago

Probably overreacting here a little. Plenty of basketball left

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 9 months ago

I hope Matt isn't implying we played w/heart against TCU..

Bryce Landon 3 years, 9 months ago

A bonus? He might get a contract extension.

Chuck Stones 3 years, 9 months ago

I don't criticize HCBS, but has this team stopped having fun since his annual "shooting 3s is fools gold speech". This team was running and gunning and having fun until he started demanding the offense revolve around Ellis. Frank is in a funk, Wayne is in a funk. Maybe it's because they've been hamstrung.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 9 months ago

He said that again? What the hell is the matter with him? That was a strength of ours, and now he's self-destructed!

Fire Bill Self!

Jack Hoff 3 years, 9 months ago

The team shot 22 Three's tonight. bill self didn't miss 16 of them. Shots weren't falling tonight. Hence Fools Gold.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 9 months ago

For maybe the first time ever, Self has finally admitted that he might be at fault. I saw in the #kubball Twitter feed where, when asked what the common denominator was in a three-game losing streak in Stillwater, Self said, "Me."

Well, William, care to take a pay cut for this no-show? Championship teams don't get clowned by teams that are barely above .500 like what your alma mater just did to your current program. If you can't get this program back to where you had it in the glory days, maybe you should move on to the NBA.

Jeff Sigler 3 years, 9 months ago

There is another common denominator in the past three games and our MSU loss. Hunter playing less than 5 minutes a game. Still don't understand why he isn't playing. Did someone forget he helped us win the World University Games? He's not the best athlete but the ball moves better and he is a rim protector.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Please tell us which "Glory Days" you're using for comparison?

Jeff Sigler 3 years, 9 months ago

I was thinking of the 13 game winning streak. I just did a comparison between Mickelson, Lucas, Diallo, and Traylor with the following stats compared to minutes played: Points, blocks, assists, turn overs, rebounds and offensive rebounds. Mickelson came in first in 4 categories: blocks,assists,steals,and turnovers (fewest) per minute played and it wasn't even close. Diallo is the better scorer and Lucas the better rebounder but Hunter was close in rebounding.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 9 months ago

Anybody remember Andrew White III? He is averaging 17.5 points per game, .441 from the three, 52% overall and 79% from the free-throw line. Too bad HCBS didn't recognize the talent White had. A much better overall player than Greene and Svi.

Hopefully, Svi might turn out to be a better player but I have serious doubts about Greene.

Brianna Zaleski 3 years, 9 months ago

How many more teams are we going to let dictate the game to us? TT, WVU, TCU, OSU all have made us play their game. And we just bend over and don't ask questions. Where is our will? Where is our determination?... And I agree w you David, LL just isn't a good basketball player.

David Kemp 3 years, 9 months ago

The fact that he keeps playing Lucas is a testimonial to how poor our coaching is at dvelopingtheyoung guys

Bryce Landon 3 years, 9 months ago

Danny Manning was so good at developing our frontcourt guys. Now who do we have? That weedhead Jerrance Howard.

Jim Keen 3 years, 9 months ago

Example... at about the mid-way point of the 2nd half, on the OSU end of the court, an OSU player out hustled Lucas for the rebound and proceeded to put it back up for 2. During the replay you could see that as soon as Lucas missed the rebound, he stepped away and just let the OSU player make the shot unopposed. It was a disgusting display of lack of hustle and desire.

David Kemp 3 years, 9 months ago

Lucas is as good as he is gonna be. He does not need to play anymore and Taylor tries hard he just doesn't have the talent

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

If you doubt that Jamari Traylor (Tyshawn Taylor graduated several years ago) is an extremely useful piece of a championship contender you really know nothing about basketball.

Leo Linaweaver 3 years, 9 months ago

What happened to drive on the basket and kick it out for a 3. Possibly a full court press when your down and running out of time. Why does everyone appear hesitant when they have an open three rather than a catch and shoot? Doesn't KU have the best 3 point shooting in the big 12. Whats going on? Its not a lack of talent!

Allin Herring 3 years, 9 months ago

We have the luckiest 3 put shooterst in the conference

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

The Chicken Littles are loving this.

The simple reality is that the difference in this game is simply the difference between both teams shooting 3's and Free Throws tonight vs. at their usual rate. OSU players who really can't shoot made shots. Kansas players who can shoot missed. It happens.

It wasn't that OSU had more open looks, or that Kansas didn't, the 3's and free throws just went in for one team and not the other. That isn't effort, coaching, heart, rotations or anything else. It's just the way it is.

If they both shoot at their usual numbers, Kansas wins by double digits.

It sucks that they lost. The sun will come up tomorrow and the sky won't fall.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

agreed. our shots simply would not fall when we tried to get back in this game. it also appeared that many of their 3's were fairly well contested, so the defense was there, OSU just made shots. Our free throw shooting was pathetic. Well, now we need to win in Ames next Monday to make up for this.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 9 months ago

"the difference in this game is simply the difference between both teams shooting 3's and Free Throws tonight vs. at their usual rate"

Jay.. Did you bother to watch the game? OSU controlled the tempo, the boards –- especially the defensive boards, had more assists, less turnovers, played with more confidence and heart and once again Self failed to make any adjustments at halftime.

You are correct that the three-point shooting and made shots from the free-throw line contributed heavily but OSU came to win and we played not to lose. Free throws and three-point percentage wasn't the reason we lost to arguably the number eight conference team by 19 points.

Jaston Archie 3 years, 9 months ago

Lets put this game in perspective: KU has looked this bad for the past 3 years or so. This is nothing new. For 3 years BS has been complaining about no post play, still atrocious. For 3 years BS has been saying the 3 pointer was fools gold, still foolish. It was 3 years ago that Self said the team against TCU was the worst in history outside of the YMCA teams, and that team would have destroyed the one we saw tonight. Should I go on and on about the horrible offense and numerous turnovers and horrible tourney play these last few years? So KU fans, please don't get pressured into believeing that this is just the 4th game of the Big 12. No, we have all seen this horror movie before, and I choose to press stop, and plead that a change be made at the very top. Go to Maryland with a case of cash and tell Turgeon to come home

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Jaston. It's so easy to make fun of you. The team had only 9 turnovers tonight and has among the best assist to turnover ratio in the nation. Are you saying they should shoot fewer 3's , or more? Under Turgeon MD has shot more, and made fewer... Call Maryland and see if they would prefer Self over Turgeon, who has won nothing,...

Got more?

Jaston Archie 3 years, 9 months ago

Jay I'm glad I can be a small piece of fun in your lonely life. If after watching that game you don't have a drop of anger or frustration, you are not a true fan. You must be as lifeless as that performance tonight

And refresh my memory, what did BS win before he was hired by KU?

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

That's your all time best. You want to fire a coach in the present based on the present, but ignore his record from after 2003 as any evidence he can coach successfully?

I swear people. Jaston is a real person and not a ventriloquist dummy.

Jaston Archie 3 years, 9 months ago

If am a ventriloquist dummy then that means if i was at your house you would still be alone. Bummer.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 9 months ago

I think Maryland might pass at that offer... Also, if you want to use stats, compare KU from the first games to the latest. The trend is not headed in the right direction.

We are playing better teams but TCU and OSU didn't slow the trend.

Shannon Gustafson 3 years, 9 months ago

You're out of your mind if you think the team tonight would have been destroyed by the team that lost to TCU a few years ago. Maybe you should re-watch that TCU game to refresh your memory.

Niraj Shah 3 years, 9 months ago

This was not about shooting. The hallmark of past KU teams was their ability to win despite having a poor night shooting. It is called defense, whatever KU was doing tonight is not called defense. This team is mentally soft, when shots don't fall, they seem to go in a shell and forget to to all the other things that helps win games. In KU's three losses, KU did not shoot well, nor rebound well and missed a ton of FT's. This is not physical issue, unless the entire team has mono, but it is a mental issue

Jeff Sigler 3 years, 9 months ago

KU needs to follow the Royals formula and put the best "team" on the court. If the best athletes win all the time then the Yankees would be the WS champs. I would be interested in seeing what the score differential is for the team this year when each of the following are on the court; Mickelson, Lucas, Traylor, and Diallo.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 9 months ago

We could have the volleyball players take the court. They'd have given more effort than the basketball players did tonight.

Jeff Sigler 3 years, 9 months ago

I didn't include Bragg because he is more of a "4" man and should be relieving Ellis. Here is what I found: I took the percentage of minutes played between the four and divided it by the score differential of the game. I added more emphasis on losses by multiplying the result of those games by 3. I then added up all the games this year: Mickelson totaled 92, Traylor 66, Diallo 35 and Lucas 33. Not very scientific I know but I didn't have details on the score differential during the game. In games where Hunter played more than 10 minutes we are 9-0. In games he played 5 minutes or less we are 4-3 and 3 of the wins were by 7 or fewer points.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 9 months ago

And Traylor isn't a 4? He certainly doesn't play the wing and a little too short for a 5..

Niraj Shah 3 years, 9 months ago

I won't say the Yankees have the best athletes, but agree with putting the best team on the court.

Bill Kackley 3 years, 9 months ago

SAD, VERY SAD. MOST EMBARRASSING LOSS I CAN REMEMBER. IF IT'S THE PLAYERS, THE COACH NEEDS TO PLAY THE ONES WHO WANT TO PLAY WITH HEART, WIN OR LOSE. IF IT'S THE COACH, HE NEEDS TO CHANGE OR GO.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 9 months ago

It's embarrassing, yes. But last year's losses to Kentucky, Temple, and Wichita State were even more so.

Allin Herring 3 years, 9 months ago

Could name which one that would be? I have not seen a player like that since the OU game. If we wanted to play the one with heart it would an empty Couft on our side

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Jaston's most insightful comment yet.

Jaston Archie 3 years, 9 months ago

LOL, nice one. Theres obviously no delete button.

Justin Carlson 3 years, 9 months ago

It has been a while since I posted on here and I feel my opinion may just have some merit! Bill Self has created a absolute rotation disaster! This team has no: trust in each other, chemistry, fight, ability to play any type of face up man defense! I could go on forever. The point is BS has 4 guys Wayne frank perry and devonte that know there are "starters" then self has 8 other players that have no clue when how much or will they play at all. He has upperclassmen he feels he has to play Based on experience defensively or based on loyalty. Meanwhile the 4 starters every 3 minutes when self yanks them out he effs up the flow and the team chemistry. Ladies and gentlemen we have played this game and we all know that there is a "feel" during the game that your buddy you play 25+ minutes with will have your back on defense and be in the right spot on offense and not messing with the flow of the game because self just played someone their token 3 minutes! Bill Self please find a way to trim down your rotation now! This is by far the ugliest, heartless, unorganized brand of basketball I have seen in your time as coach.

David Kemp 3 years, 9 months ago

Right on, this is Bills worst team when it comes to chemistry and playing together. We need to get back what worked against baylor

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Was that Bill's team too? Same players? Hmmm...

Shannon Gustafson 3 years, 9 months ago

Perhaps the point is that this "worst team when it comes to chemistry and playing together" is the same team that played against Baylor that you want them to play like...

David Kemp 3 years, 9 months ago

Disappointed in bills press conference. Over and over how well they played and we weren't that bad. Guards are not creating any plays and defense must get b better.once again I will say that I would rather see is lose with disallow or Bragg than win with Lucas or Taylor. The ceiling on those 2 was achieved 2 years ago. Bragg and disallow are getting better.

Michael Lorraine 3 years, 9 months ago

If they keep playing like this no one will storm the court after they beat us.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 9 months ago

Who knows... Maybe we should storm the court if we beat Texas.

Brianna Zaleski 3 years, 9 months ago

Jay, for someone who constantly criticizes others for their perceived faults, let me be the first to tell you that, tonight, you're wrong. If you think this game was simply won by the team who just made more shots and FT's, and that our complete lackadaisical demeanor and showing no heart whatsoever wasn't the main determinant, then you are an effing idiot. Now while most of us in here believe this to be true anyway, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not that stupid. If you watched this game, you could easily tell that our team was heartless and leaderless. OSU ran the same offense the entire 2nd half. High pick and roll/ pop. You're telling me our coach or one of our leaders can't figure out a way to make them do something different?... On offense, we can't run something different then having Perry get the ball at the top of the key and having him spin to the hoop only to throw up a high arching bank shot to avoid the shot blocker? Teams w heart don't fall for the same crap over and over and over again and somehow expect things just to turn around.... Quit being a dbag for a half second and admit this game was lost because our team played w no heart and our coach coached w no heart. Calling it anything different is simply trolling as per usual.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Sorry honey. The numbers tell the story a lot better than your angry and unfounded opinions.

Jaston Archie 3 years, 9 months ago

Pig. That language wont help you find a mate

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Jaston, you spend a lot of time worrying about my relationship status. Sorry, no. I'm not available. The Redhead says she's used to people flirting with me though.

Justin Daniel 3 years, 9 months ago

Kansas has really struggled since Coach Manning left. I'm not saying fire Self for Manning, only stating the obvious that whomever is coaching our bigs is not the same quality of coach,in that area, as Manning. We have some very athletic and skilled bigs with potential, I would love to see what Manning would do with Bragg. I don't think it is fire Self time, but it might be time to look at replacing our post coach. This loss exposed a number of our deficiencies and could be the difference in a 2nd round loss in the NCAA tourney or advancing to Houston, if corrections are made.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 9 months ago

One more year where KU misses out on the Sweet 16, and it should be "Fire Self" time.

David Kemp 3 years, 9 months ago

As much as I would like to see it, this team is not going to Houston . I think this team loses in round of 32

Jaston Archie 3 years, 9 months ago

Also, i will resist the temptation to take solace in the fact that Duke and UK are also struggling bc both of those teams are coming off of Final Four runs and of course a title win by Duke, and both sent many key players to the draft and have very young teams this year. KU on the other hand has a veteran group that should be playing at a much higher level. Obviously experience at losing in the 2nd round of f the tourney isn't very valuable

Doug Clark 3 years, 9 months ago

I been playing basketball and watching basketball most of my 48 years on this planet and I don't understand why these guys show no emotion or desire. These last 3 years has been the most frustrating of my life being a Jayhawk fan, I hate to lose at anything but these guys act like they could care less, I don't get it. When Wiggins was here he had to shoulder so much of the load because no one else would step up, Wiggins is gone but Mason, Ellis, and Selden are still here and are now supposed to be so experienced yet the same problems are still here. I love Perry and unfortunately he has to be the big dog even though his personality and inability to finish over any length at all prevents him from being the stud we need. Selden has disappeared again just like the previous 2 years, and though I love Masons toughness he still doesn't realize he is 5'10 and not 6'10 and can't just drive in the lane over and over and try to finish over the opponents big men, and he has yet to find a way to keep opposing guards from driving past him. These are the 3 major problems we have had the last 3 years and that's why we can't win big games on the road whether it be conference road games, big 12 tourney games, champions classic games, and ultimately nccaa tourney games. We need some players that have some desire, emotion, and hunger, if we didn't have the best home court advantage in the country the big 12 conference streak would have ended 2 years ago. I hope we get some recruits who show some mental and physical toughness and a desire to uphold the great tradition of Jayhawk basketball.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 9 months ago

The problem is, most recruits don't care to uphold the tradition of Jayhawk basketball or whatever college team they play for. They already have one foot out the door on the way to the NBA. Wiggins, you remember, announced he would enter the 2014 NBA draft before he even played an exhibition game for Kansas.

Jim Keen 3 years, 9 months ago

If you hadn't watched the game and just looked at the box score, without knowing the score, you'd KNOW it was a blowout. If you had watched the game, but hadn't looked at the box score, you'd KNOW it was a blowout. Of course, when you watch the game, follow the score, and then look at the box score, it all makes sense.... a PATHETIC showing. Passed up open 3's, couldn't hit 3's that did take, missed half of free throws, poor penetration defense, missed bunnies (again), out rebounded, low energy, out hustled. It's all in their heads. These guys CAN play great basketball. It's all in their heads!

greg robinson 3 years, 9 months ago

This just in from World Health Organization. Mysterious virus affecting upper echelon NCAA basketball programs. Infected teams are: Duke, Michigan State, Virginia, Kentucky, and most recently and seriously Kansas. The virus makes teams previously considered good appear.....not good. Symptoms include lack of effort, poor shooting, and no defensive intensity. A symbiant species known as fans appear to be suffering from emotional and physical trauma/pain. Scientists and coaches are frantically searching for a cure but as of this report are helpless. In the meantime fans are urged to check comment boards for possible solutions!

Bryce Landon 3 years, 9 months ago

Just because other "blue-bloods" are vomiting all over themselves in recent games doesn't mean Kansas has to be one of them; and that certainly doesn't excuse the Jayhawks' $#!+ty showing last night.

However, the way you worded your opinion was pretty funny, so points there.

Brian Skelly 3 years, 9 months ago

 My issue with this team primarily is similar to the past couple of seasons -- they dont appear to really want to play defense.    They can, and many times they will.    Prior to this group (really the past 3 years), most of Self's teams WANTED to stop the other team.    It was in their DNA.    I just dont see that with this group of guys.

 Tonights game was as bad as I can recall since the TCU loss a few years ago.    We just didnt even bother to show up.   Losing to OSU in Stillwater isnt a crime,  but doing so in this fashion in a year when OSU is likely to be a .500 team doesnt give me much confidence that this team has a deep run in the tournament in them.    And I think you can forget the Big 12 streak.    That thing died on the vine tonight.

Glen Miller 3 years, 9 months ago

Just some observations through the season and really last 3 years...

  1. Self will run through the post, no matter what. He's stubborn and this philosophy has deterred high ranked guards from signing here.

  2. This team lacks heart, the past 3 seasons teams have lacked heart. Ever since Manning left, the passion for the game and the school has diminished in my opinion.

  3. Since Manning has left, it is clear that our post development has suffered a significant blow. I knew we would miss him, but had hoped it wouldn't be this glaring. Sensing a theme here with Manning?!

  4. It's time to get Diablo and Bragg the minutes they need to be confident come tourney time. Sure, we may not win the league, but their experience and learning will he invaluable come March. Lucas is a reserve. Traylor is an energy guy. Mickelson is a stabilizer, but not a game changer by any means. Ellis is what he is and he is linited, but good at what he does. I think ylwe have seen what minutes will do for Diablo and Bragg.

  5. Mason is struggling in his own head. I can see him thinking as he plays much more than he did. If he can get out of there and just play, we will be better for it.

  6. This team is built more for a tourney run, than a conference run.... which I like. We play good for periods of time, which is perfect for the tournament if we get hot and feel confident. Seems like the grind of the league is already wearing on them.

  7. The pressure to NOT be the team to break the streak is getting to this whole team and the staff. Shoot 3's, run the floor, lock down on d to get easy transition buckets. That's what made us great early and what can make us great again. We gotta play lose and have fun....

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 9 months ago

Good post Glenn but I'm not sure el Diablo should get anywhere near this team nor have I seen any reason to say this team is better built team for a tourney run.

How many times have we been beaten by teams in the first weekend that we should have dominated -- like OSU?

Allin Herring 3 years, 9 months ago

I still believe that last year's KU team was the worst team we have had since the Ted Owen's years. The only thing that has changed on this years team is that they are a year older and we now have 2 OAD's that ride the bench ( though I do not think either are a real OAD or merit the rankings they recieved.) We still have a team that does play defense or rebound. We still have a team that does not play with heart or intensity. We still have a game plan to go through the post though we do not have a post. We still have a team that has a coach that refuses to make adjustments on defense if we need it. But after tonight's embarrassing lost and the WVS lost and the lackluster performance òf the other games since the OU game it is looking more and more clear that the only change in the future is a new Big 12 Champion! If Self does not find the key to how to get this team to play defense with intensity we will still have a team whose season will end in the first weekend ( like many of his team's have done). Which team do we have? The OU inspired team or the Okla. State team? Please snap out of the daze!

Jack Hoff 3 years, 9 months ago

Okay first off we all need to calm down and not overreact. Without question that is a bad loss and certainly surprising coming off a road loss to WVU and a lackluster effort against TCU. Surely I would have thought they would have been fired up to play the next team in their way but apparently not. If you're harping that the streak is over and and all the players are useless pathetic wastes of scholarships (exaggeration) then you're just overreacting to the moment. I'm not sure it's fair to say this team is heartless because as opposed to the past few teams they have at least a few games under their belt where they fought to secure a win over a quality team ie. Oregon State. And for most of the season they have been pretty solid. With that said I certainly think it's time Self figures out a shorter rotation that will get the job done. Landon Lucas aint cutting it right now. However, alot of this is on the players. A coach should not have to harp on Junior and Senior leaders to play a game with effort. They know they are going to get every teams best shot and if the leaders aren't stepping up it creates a trickle down effect. Everyone likes to complain about Self and his fools gold comment but this game is an example of exactly why he is right. Ku took wide open threes tonight and couldn't convert them, that led to lost confidence which led to slacking on the defensive end which gave OSU confidence and bam you have an old fashion ass whooping. That is exactly Self's point, when the threes arent falling, it exposes their weakness. Self is not wrong in that persective. Svi appears to be a great shooter in practice but when the real lights come on he clanks it. There are certainly alot of things Self needs to address, Devonte's lack of containing the ball and giving up penetration, Landon Lucas being the softest 6'10" player I've ever seen and how to get them to play more cohesively. Alot of the things they are doing now they haven't done all season so we have to beleive this is just a funk, if this continues and develops into an evident trend then the real problems start. However, hope for the Big 12 is still within reach, there is plenty of basketball to be played. Their performancce yesterday was certainly unacceptable but we can't write them off due to a bad three game stretch and ignore everything they have done to this point. Texon on Saturday should tell us alot about where their head is at. Rockchalk!

Bob Bailey 3 years, 9 months ago

Maybe we became a pot smoking team. One of the coaches is a smoker. How can you tell? Spatial judgement is off. Three inches off on a 14 ft shot guarantees it will not go down. When they are off on free throws, around 50%, when they are up around 80%, They are off! You think smoke on Wed, but they'll be ok Saturday, you are WRONG.

My personal experience, losing my wife to breast cancer at age 43, tells me it can have a lasting effect, knowing you are about to die, but can't give a damn. Looks like a pot muddled team to me.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 9 months ago

Let's assume for a moment that what you're saying is true. Is it possible that the team starting smoking weed in order to relieve soreness from the triple-overtimer against OU?

And by the way, I don't believe for one minute that any of the players have started smoking weed. Jerrance Howard, on the other hand...

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 9 months ago

Really sorry about your wife Bob -- sincerely but basing your knowledge of weed on the experiences of your wife may not have given you the full picture..

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