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Saturday, February 20, 2016

Notebook: Svi Mykhailiuk comes up big off bench

Kansas guard Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (10) puts up a three before Kansas State forward Wesley Iwundu (25) during the first half, Saturday, Feb. 20, 2016 at Bramlage Coliseum in Manhattan, Kan.

Kansas guard Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (10) puts up a three before Kansas State forward Wesley Iwundu (25) during the first half, Saturday, Feb. 20, 2016 at Bramlage Coliseum in Manhattan, Kan.

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— Kansas sophomore Svi Mykhailiuk, who had played just seven minutes the last three games, scored nine points off the bench in the Jayhawks’ 72-63 win Saturday at Kansas State.

Mykhailiuk shot 3-for-4 from three-point range, with four rebounds, two assists and a steal in 20 minutes.

“He likes K-State because those have been his best two games probably in league play,” KU coach Bill Self said.

Mykhailiuk had 10 points and four assists in KU’s 77-59 win over KSU on Feb. 3, in Lawrence.

“Those three threes he made were big. He was the best player in the game in the first half (two threes). They went zone two possessions. Him making the three right off the bat got ’em out of the zone,” Self added.

Big 12 lead: KU is two games up on West Virginia, Oklahoma and Baylor in the league race, with four games to play.

“We’re in good shape, but we need to go play great Tuesday (7 p.m., at Baylor). If you win Tuesday, you put yourself in terrific position,” Self said. “I’m proud of our guys. We don’t need to relax at all.”

Fans boo Greene: KU junior Brannen Greene, who drew KSU’s ire by dunking at the end of regulation in KU’s 19-point win over KSU in Lawrence, was the first Jayhawk out of the tunnel onto the court for warmups before the game.

Drawing boos, Greene immediately accepted a pass from a manager and went in and dunked. Greene did not score in five minutes during the game.

Purple posters: Some signs visible in the crowd: “Joe Buck > Bob Davis,” “Beware of the Storm,” “My grandpa posterized Perry Ellis when he was in grade school.”

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This, that: KU leads the all-time series with Kansas State, 190-93. ... Since Feb. 12, 1994, KU has won 51 of the last 56 meetings. ... KU is now 76-47 in games played in Manhattan including a 24-4 record inside Bramlage Coliseum. ... KU coach Bill Self is 26-5 all-time versus KSU, including 25-5 while at KU. Bruce Weber is 2-8 vs. KU, including 2-7 while at K-State.

— See what people were saying about KU's rematch with rival Kansas State during KUsports.com's live coverage


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By the Numbers: Kansas 72, Kansas State 63

By the Numbers: Kansas 72, Kansas State 63

Comments

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 4 months ago

I think Svi's game is much more complete than Brannen's. The only reason I can see Greene starting over Svi is that when Svi said he was coming here for two years, he meant it literally.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2591967-the-svi-mykhailiuk-waiting-game-will-the-lebron-of-ukraine-break-out-at-kansas

Joe Joseph 3 years, 4 months ago

Svi is better passer with a marginally better handle. If he's better defensively it's not by much.

Greene shoots 50% from three. Svi shoots a little better than 30%. You don't think that's a reason BG gets more PT?

Ben Kane 3 years, 4 months ago

Greene is much taller and a better shooter. Svi is a better ball handler and defender. both still make a lot of mental mistakes. Svi recovers from his with extra effort, Greene with more 3s.

Kurt Eskilson 3 years, 4 months ago

Svi is listed at 6'8" and Brannen is 6'7".

Robert Brock 3 years, 4 months ago

Greene is strictly a catch-and-shoot player. In some games, that is all we need. Svi has a better all-around game and we needed that against K-State.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 4 months ago

Self doesn't reward playing time by any one statistic, "Mykhailiuk shot 3-for-4 from three-point range, with four rebounds, two assists and a steal in 20 minutes." Svi can do more than catch and shoot.

The first thing that will get you more playing time for HCBS is defense and Greene is still unable to guard his man the entire shot clock.

Also, 34% is significantly greater than 30%.

Joe Joseph 3 years, 4 months ago

None of what you say explains why Green had been getting the lion's share of the minutes the past few games.

Svi is not a significantly better defender. If he were, he'd be playing A LOT more.

Svi was shooting just above 30% prior to yesterday's game. His 3/4 outing bumped it to 34.

Arthur Ankeney 3 years, 4 months ago

Svi is a significantly better defender than Greene. He's a good on ball defender and an average team defender. Greene is looking at butterflies usually. The reason Greene has gotten more minutes is that beauty of a shot. That shot that nearly makes Klay Thompson look like Shaq shooting a freethrow. Greene is a great boost that can electrify the crowd (or quiet them if on the road) with his shot. That's why he's gotten the minutes. Though I would rather play Greene for 2 minutes here and there and just run a couple designed plays for him each time. If he's in the game it should be to get him shots.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 4 months ago

If you go back to my first post, I stated Svi came to KU to play for 2 years and plans to leave regardless to either play in Europe or the NBA..

Conjecture but if true, of coarse Greene plays more minutes. And Self isn't always right i.e. AW3. Easily better than Greene or Svi.

Jay Scott 3 years, 4 months ago

AW3 is having a nice time being the only usable offensive presence on Nebraska's awful team.

JD Roth 3 years, 4 months ago

Looks to me like when Greene plays he rebounds the ball very well. I think they can compliment each other. We are a team.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 4 months ago

I don't really follow the PER stats for 40 min or PER 100 poss.. Maybe you know more than I do on how useful they are.

He had one rebound in 5 min against an undersized KState but does that mean 4 rebs if he played 40 min?

Dirk Medema 3 years, 4 months ago

I've noticed that he is usually at the rim on FT rebounds. Very quick getting to the rim. Wish he had that intensity more often.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 4 months ago

What the hell does Joe Buck have to do with Bob Davis? Buck doesn't broadcast college basketball, he doesn't work for the K-State Sports Network. Just some idiot KSU fan pulling something out of his backside.

Ryan Shelton 3 years, 4 months ago

It shouldn't surprise us that KSU is the only Big XII school to disrespect Bob Davis.

Humpy Helsel 3 years, 4 months ago

I am of the opinion Svi has a better handle than Brannen, is a better defender, and a much better passer. Svi's shot, given playing time and comfort, will fill it up at or at least near the rate Brannen does. The height thing is interesting as Brannen looks longer and taller than Svi, while Brannen is listed at 6'7" and Svi at 6'8". Why Coach goes with one over the other at different times, I don't fully understand. I am sure he has his reasons. A post just yesterday by someone stated, "I have written Svi off." As was on display yesterday, I wouldn't be so quick to do so. If he stays at Kansas, he will have a career of note before it is over. For Brannen, the skill set he must continue to work on is maturity.

Joe Joseph 3 years, 4 months ago

Svi has had time and plenty of opportunities for his shot to "fill it up."

SVI has attempted 73 threes and made 25 for 34%.

BG has attempted 52 and mad 28 for 54%.

In addition, BG shoots better from 2 and from the free throw line. He also rebounds at a significantly higher clip than Svi.

Svi had a great game against KSU. Hopefully he can keep playing well. His ceiling is probably higher than BG's, but he just hasn't been as effective as BG this season.

People need to stop hating on Greene. He's made some immature mistakes, but nobody can question his desire to compete and win. Also, he shoots better than 50% from three. His role is to knock down shots. So is Svi's. Brannen does does it better.

Jay Scott 3 years, 4 months ago

Svi is a far, far more complete player. Greene bring up the ball unguarded is a turnover waiting to happen. Svi, on the other hand is a capable ball handler, especially for a 3.

Being objective about Greene isn't hating. He has skills. They're not the same or as numerous as Svi's.

Joe Joseph 3 years, 4 months ago

There's been a heavy bias against BG for a while now. Most of it deserved. But a bias nonetheless.

I disagree with your notion that Svi is a far more complete player than Greene. Statistics simply don't back that up.

If Svi is a better defender, it's only by a small margin. He's more disruptive, but isn't much better at keeping his man in front of him. If he were a significantly better defender, wouldn't he be playing more minutes, consistently? Given Bill Self's preference for defense? The offensive numbers aren't even close. Greene kills Svi on offensive efficiency. Plus Greene is a much better rebounder.

I've said this before about Greene. You have to accept that he's going to turn the ball over. He's going to make one or two inexplicable boneheaded moves every game. But the reward you get for having him on the floor is more than worth it. Self has finally come to this realization. BG was hesitant to shoot yesterday, which is his role on this team. Self went with Svi because of it, which turned out to be a great move. Historically, however, Svi just hasn't been that consistent of a shooter.

John Pritchett 3 years, 4 months ago

Even in this game, Svi was frustratingly inconsistent. He started off looking confident and hitting everything. But then he shot a couple of air balls. Greene is more likely to stick a 3 when we most need it. I think the pressure gets in Svi's head too much.

Last night was an exception. I think Greene was afraid to shoot and miss given the intense scrutiny. Not trying was much more safe than trying and possibly failing. That's what I thought when he kept passing up those shots. I hope that's a one-time situation. We need him to be the ice-in-his-veins sharp shooter that he is.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 4 months ago

When we need it most - Greene is more likely to pass on open shots and is unable to create his own. In 12 min. he only took 2 shots missing both

RJ King 3 years, 4 months ago

1st sentence disagree. 2nd sentence explained above.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 4 months ago

O-2, yanked after 5 min. for passing up open shots. Self explanatory..

Excuse the pun.

Arthur Ankeney 3 years, 4 months ago

Greene's rebounds are bogus. Over half of them are off freethrows where he just steps in and grabs the ball. Another fourth are from reaching over a smaller guard on his own team who had position. He definitely makes more of an effort for them so I'll give him credit for that. I think Greene tries harder. I just don't think his game is rounded. I'm with you in that he has earned more minutes, but I do not think it's becaue his game is more well rounded than Svi. Svi would make a better starter (if Wayne weren't in front of him) and Greene makes a better bench guy. He just has more enthusiasm and spunk and that has earned him the bench minutes. If they're both here next year and Wayne is gone I would expect Svi to get the starting spot with Greene picking up extra bench minutes.

Mike Greer 3 years, 4 months ago

I can tell you why coach had Svi in this game more than Brannen, Brannen had a couple of open threes and passed them up. Coach pulled him and Svi went in and drilled two of them right off.

Dirk Medema 3 years, 4 months ago

It's happened the other way around before as well. Coach has many options this year, and tends to cycle through them if only for a minute or 2 to start. Perform well, and stay in the game. Screw up and he cycles on to the next guy.

Mike Tackett 3 years, 4 months ago

JJ it's not all about offense. The minute BG steps on the floor you know what will happen with the other team's O, drive on BG. Terrible D.

Jay Scott 3 years, 4 months ago

Greene played more than Svi because he shot better. Past tense. Svi has the stroke to be a 40%+ shooter. Svi at 40% is a far superior player than Greene at 50%. Greene rebounds reasonably well but is a disaster defensively and a turnover factory. Svi is infinitely more complete. The Jayhawks need him to guard 6'8 wings in March. Svi playing closer to full potential makes Kansas the toughest team in the country.

Joe Joseph 3 years, 4 months ago

But Svi isn't a 40%+ shooter. He's a 34% shooter.

Greene is a 54% shooter.

Jay Scott 3 years, 4 months ago

Joe. Did you read the post? Every NBA scout agrees Svi is a better prospect.

Joe Joseph 3 years, 4 months ago

"Svi at 40% is a far superior player than Greene at 50%."

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Dirk Medema 3 years, 4 months ago

"Svi has the stroke to be a 40%+ shooter."

Unfortunately, for all his NBA potential, he hadn't even been a 30% 3-pt shooter in BigXII play (27%) before KSU.

Svi is more complete, but 54% is ridiculously potent shooting. On this team, there isn't a great need for more complete players, hence the reason Lucas is becoming such a valuable player. They need players that can fill a role, and Greene can be better than anyone at putting up points, when he works to get open and takes his shot. When he doesn't, it's time to cycle on to the next option. The beauty of a deep bench even if players aren't getting a high usage rate.

Jay Scott 3 years, 4 months ago

There's a huge need for someone that can match up with a 6'8-6'9 wing as the tourney starts. Selden can't guard someone 3-4 inches taller. At this point it's the Jayhawks most obvious weakness.

Greene has no hope whatsoever of being defensively effective. There will be a game or games where Svi playing 25-30 mins will be necessary to win.

Mike Greer 3 years, 4 months ago

It will be interesting to see who comes off the bench first against Baylor, Svi or Brannen. My guess is Svi, because of his performance against KSU. But if he's not on, or doesn't take the open 3s, coach will have Brannen in the game to see if he got his b@ll$ back. These guys have a job to do when they're on the court and it's shoot and make 3s. I think coach will put up with a defensive laps occasionally, as long as the 3s keep falling, if they don't fall, someone else is going to get those minutes. Everyone seems to like Brannen's stroke, but if he doesn't pull the trigger he doesn't have much redeeming value on the other end. And yes, he makes me nervous when he has the ball and isn't shooting. He doesn't seem to have the speed to drive the ball and I'm not sure why he tried that on Saturday. I really can't say I've seen enough of Svi recently to know if his D has improved, but he did have a nice Stl. and no TOs Saturday.

Tony Bandle 3 years, 4 months ago

Knowing Bill's leaning on vets, next season's starting line up will be Lucas, Mason, Graham, Greene with Bragg/Diallo fighting for that last position, assuming Selden is gone and Chieck is back.

Jay Scott 3 years, 4 months ago

If Svi is back it's very difficult to imagine Greene starting ahead of him.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 4 months ago

You could be right Tony but I see Diallo first off the bench behind Lucas early in the season and Bragg starting as the 4.

Pure conjecture at this point. Udoka and Coleby are wildcards

Mallory Briggans 3 years, 4 months ago

Greene is definitely a catch and shoot player. Ball handling is not very good ....Good ball movement or the second side as Coach Self refers to it is key to getting a good look . Also Graham and Mason must drive and kick the ball out to the open shooter Greene Svi Selden but Greene ,Svi ,or Selden must also have created the space to get their shot off .Setting good screens to get the shooters open are important as well ......But that being said as Oklahoma has found out relying on your outside shooting can be a blessing and a curse when the shots are not falling a good inside game is vital .......which at this point is a plus with Perry and Lucas.

Mike Mills 3 years, 4 months ago

Svi definitely has more upside than BG but just hasn't been as consistent. I may be wrong but I'm sure some of you on here find it easier to root for Svi than BG because the dude has been a bit of a head case the time he's been in Lawrence. As a result, it feels like there's some eagerness to throw BG's minutes to Svi after one good game. Take a look at the complete sample size and you'll see that while Svi is more gifted he just hasn't been as good.

Arthur Ankeney 3 years, 4 months ago

I completely agree with you. I LIKE Svi so much better, but BG does a lot for this team in terms of energy. Svi just doesn't have that kind of energy or, (strike me down for saying this) swagger, that Greene has. I think that gets a lot of guys going. I wonder if it's a personality thing or maybe a language/culture barrier thing?

Mike Mills 3 years, 4 months ago

Maybe a little of both. BG is very confident in his game and Svi doesn't exude that same confidence and "swagger" all the time. Along with BG I think most think the ball is going in when BG releases it. I think most aren't there (even seems Svi doubts it at times) yet when Svi shoots it.

Steve Macy 3 years, 4 months ago

When Svi is on, just like when Greene is on, it adds so much to the team. Svi is a lot better defensively, I know that there is not a quantifying way to prove it except the eye test, but he works at it. I like Greene, was surprised that he didn't pull the trigger on a couple of open looks he had, I thought he would be the one person to enjoy the boos. A good win, if we can just quit beating up Perry it could have been a larger margin of victory.
What happens next year? Will the Frosh on this team step up like KU big men have in the past? I hope so, and I expect it, kind of spoiled. Will the incoming man child be one of the few bigs to get serious minutes from the get go? Who knows, I am just going to enjoy this year. RCJH, going to be a tough one Tuesday, with or without Perry.

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