Sunday, November 8, 2015

What, Self worry? Not about 3s

Kansas head coach Bill Self directs his offense during the second half on Wednesday, Nov. 4, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas head coach Bill Self directs his offense during the second half on Wednesday, Nov. 4, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse.


Bill Self wasn’t alarmed at Kansas University’s 4-of-19 three-point shooting in Wednesday’s basketball exhibition opener against Pittsburg State.

“That’s one thing I’m not worried about,” Self, KU’s 13th-year coach, said Sunday of his Jayhawks, who hit 21.1 percent from three and 58.5 percent of their two-point tries in an 89-66 victory over the Gorillas.

“Even though we shot it miserably from the three-point line, I’m not worried about the shooting at all. I think one of the strengths of our team is going to be our perimeter shooting,” Self added.

The Jayhawks practiced once Friday and twice Saturday before taking Sunday off. Next exhibition is Tuesday versus Fort Hays State, set for a 7 p.m. tipoff in Allen.

“The other day we were 27-of-44 in our scrimmage from three (for 61.4 percent),” Self said after Wednesday’s game. “It’s fools gold because you don’t play as hard defensively because everything is going in. This was great for us to learn to be exposed what our weaknesses are, because if you make shots, you’re not exposed. The biggest thing is we have to play with more energy and athleticism.”

Self said effort has been intense at practice since the Pitt State game.

“We’ve gotten better since our last game,” Self said. “I thought we played very poorly in a lot of areas in that game (including staying in front of perimeter players). Hopefully we’ll be improved this week.

“I’m not overly pleased,” he added of workouts. “I think some key players, especially some returning guys, can step it up another level.”

Self said forward Landen Lucas, who was slowed by a sprained ankle versus Pitt State, “is fine. He’ll be 100 percent (for Tuesday).” Self said junior Wayne Selden Jr., “was sick on Saturday and missed a day. Everybody should be ready to go tomorrow (today).”

Self said “I don’t know” when asked when to expect a ruling in the Cheick Diallo initial-eligibility case.

Jackson scores 30 in Ames: Josh Jackson, a 6-foot-7 senior forward from Prolific Prep in Napa, California scored 30 points with 11 rebounds, six assists and three blocks in his squad’s 98-91 loss to Victory Rock Prep on Saturday at the Cornfield Classic in Ames, Iowa.

Jackson, the No. 1 player in the Class of 2016 by, is considering KU, Michigan State, Arizona, Maryland and others. He will not choose a school in the early signing period which runs Wednesday through Nov. 18.

“Josh is the finest high school player I’ve ever seen,” Prolific Prep coach Billy McKnight told “He is a super talented player and not just physically, but mentally. He picks things up so quick. His physical attributes are phenomenal. He’s an extremely unselfish player, phenomenal passer. And he really just makes the game look easy, even against guys that we have right now that are high-level players. He just does things that are incredible. He’s a treat to watch as a basketball fan and obviously we’re excited to have him, and he’s going to go on and do some unbelievable things.”

Lots of pros: The NBA announced that Kentucky has supplied the league with the most players of any college this season (21), followed by KU (19), Duke (18), North Carolina (16), UCLA (14), Arizona (13), Florida (10).


Suzi Marshall 6 years, 2 months ago

I'm hoping we improve 10x over what we showed vs PSU!

Why am I not all that surprised Selden is not well and Self continues to call shooting 3s "Fools Gold." ... consistency.

It's amazing Kansas is right on UK's heals for number of players in the NBA this season, considering how dominate UK has been recruiting throughout the Cal era.

Benz Junque 6 years, 2 months ago

Agreed. I'd love to see the numbers on the total number of players in the NBA that went to a school until at least their junior season. Guys that leave aren't really developed much by their college program and I suspect that the vast majority of UK guys in the league were OAD players that would have gone to the NBA regardless of what college they played for.

Rodney Crain 6 years, 2 months ago

Add lots of NBA players in the league to the long list on very positive points about KU and our surprising whiff on top 75 recruits so far in recruiting.

Brett McCabe 6 years, 2 months ago

Improvement is needed. The team looked distracted and unfocused. Let's hope for an amp up in energy this week so that we can see some of the real potential of this team.

Jay Scott 6 years, 2 months ago

"Improvement is needed"

Really? A college basketball team needs to improve from its first exhibition game? No way!! Are you sure?

Brett's next groundbreaking thought - Oxygen needed.....

Gerry Butler 6 years, 2 months ago

just a random thought. Wouldn't it be enlightening to be able to come to this site and once, just FOR ONCE, somebody NOT taking a dig or making some kind of smart a - - remark about another poster? Everybody should be able to come in here, put their thoughts, remarks out without wondering, how many was foaming at the mouth waiting with baited breath to take a pot shot at someone. Brett was simply making a statement, which was true they do need to improve, whether it's a so called exhibition game or not. Guess what- - -Tommorrow night is an exhibition game too, does that mean that don't have to improve because it's an exhibition? Some times, a lot of times it feels like romper room in here, dam grow up, trading insults with or abou someone REALLY? gets old really fast. Your right Brett need improvement for sure, one thing they better learn on how to move their feet and keep people in front of them, instead of matador defense, if that's what you wanna call that. It's ok Brett don't let what some people feel like it's their job to act like- - - -well never mind, you say what you feel or think all points so be able to be put here without a lot of junk,criticism . ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Brett McCabe 6 years, 2 months ago

Good advice for us all, myself included.

Suzi Marshall 6 years, 2 months ago

When done in good taste it adds to the fun.

Joe Ross 6 years, 2 months ago

several things. One, who is having the fun? If it comes to one poster at the expense of another, that kind of fun is no bueno. Secondly, "When done in good taste..." are appropriate words. Third, we need to keep civility in mind. Hopefully people have the ability to debate vigorously without feeling personally assaulted if intent to insult is absent, and without feeling the need to maintain a personal vendetta for weeks and months on end. I agree with the above comment which discusses the "atmosphere" of debate in this forum. Being respectful is the key. If that respect is maintained, then people shouldnt get too sensitive.

That said, I dont think the personal attack was warranted and it should be withdrawn. Jay's a big enough man to do that, I think.

Brett McCabe 6 years, 2 months ago

Some more of my unique insight: the player possessing the ball will need to dribble while walking or risk a traveling call. They should work on this skill, as a team, prior to the FHSU game. :)

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 2 months ago

Selden doesn't look like he did in the summer because he's getting over a pretty bad sprained ankle and that doesn't happen quickly.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 2 months ago

His Freshman year he had offseason knee surgery. Last season he had a nagging knee injury the final weeks of the season and this season he's starting off with an ankle sprain. I'm no longer convinced starting Wayne is our best option. Let Greene or Svi start the next exhibition. Greene is the most underutilized player I can remember at KU.

Kurt Eskilson 6 years, 2 months ago

Defense limits Greene's time on the court.

Rodney Crain 6 years, 2 months ago

I am not worried this team is loaded. Well slightly loaded, well hmmm, anyone hear anything on Diallo being cleared yet?

Jaston Archie 6 years, 2 months ago

NOOOOO, not the "fool's gold" campaign already. So let me see if I understand Coach Self, it's "fool's gold" when the team makes a lot of 3s because they won't play that hard on the defensive end, but KU got exposed in the exhibition game defensively even though they didn't shoot the 3 well at all?? Furthermore, It's "fool's gold" when they make a lot, but he's "not worried at all" when they miss a lot. This mentality explains why KU has become a team that just likes to win ugly and muck up the game, Bill Self only believes in defense and getting the ball inside. WHY? It's not like he has Wilt Chamberlain and Abdul-Jabbar in the post. I don't know what's more puzzling, his philosophy or the fact that players like Brannen and Svi would actually come here.

Jay Scott 6 years, 2 months ago

If only other coaches were as gullible as some of these posters.....While some here are panicking at the "Fools Gold" comments other coaches are laughing, knowing Kansas can and will shoot the three. Bill only wishes they would forget to guard perimeter snipers.

The real "Fools Gold" are the comically absurd comments here......

Jaston Archie 6 years, 2 months ago

Why would an opposing team forget to guard any of the "perimeter snipers" on this team, no one in the post is going to draw a double team. Plus, those snipers are more often than not on the bench, so the majority of the 3s are being shot by Devontae, Frank, Wayne and Perry, so of course the percentage is not going to be very good compared to if Brannen or Svi were shooting. Call it absurd if you want, but I talked about this last year as well, when Self insisted on getting the ball to Perry and Landen who just didn't/couldn't deliver. I do believe the inside game should be more potent with Carlton, Hunter and hopefully Diallo which will help Self's strategy, but it would be sad if a major role isn't found for Brannen or Svi just because they're not the greatest defenders out there

Shannon Gustafson 6 years, 2 months ago

You should probably look at last years 3 pt % by Graham, Mason, and Ellis and compare it to the % by Brannen and Svi. You'll be in for a shock.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 2 months ago

I'm not disagreeing the numbers but Self doesn't help their confidence much when they get yanked after 2-3 bad shots.

Greene has one of the best pure shoots I've seen at KU. I would like to see Self give Greene and Svi the green light and let them play through the rough patches and see if they can start hitting w/consistency.

Shannon Gustafson 6 years, 2 months ago

I agree that you gotta let shooters shoot and understand that the "good" times will win games but the "bad" times can be overcome with defense and better shooting from the rest of the team.

I just don't agree that statistically, Brannen and Svi are better than Graham, Mason, and Ellis and therefore should be shooting the majority of the 3's. I'd also much rather have 5-6 players that can shoot 40% from 3 than two that can shoot 50% from 3.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 2 months ago

Looking at all their 3 pt averages shows you are statistically correct w/only mason averaging more than 2 attempts per game.

Maybe I'm buying into the hype but when you hear Svi hitting 40+ straight 3s in practice and NBA scouts talking about Greene's form, you want to see it happen on the court. If we can't score inside, we don't have that knock down 3 player. Decent averages but few attempts.

Your logic is sound so I'm not really arguing against it. I just want to see if they can do it when it counts without the quick yank. Rest Selden and let both players go in the final exhibition.

I'm really curious to see how Frankamp does this season.

Shannon Gustafson 6 years, 2 months ago

Agreed, with 5-6 guys who can shoot the 3 that well (and who knows if Vick is another, he shot it well in Korea, he actually shot the highest % from 3 if I remember right), we need to let them shoot it because statistically, even if they miss a couple, they will make a couple. If they don't, they will make 3-4 in a row in a future game.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 2 months ago

Of interest, message board by writer, Dan McDonald says its KU or Houston for Jarrett Allen.

Mick Allen 6 years, 2 months ago

It's one thing if your shot doesn't go in and you are subbed out. It is another thing when your shot doesn't go and you are a liability on defense, which is a problem for both Svi and Greene, which makes for an even quicker hook. Neither Svi nor Greene can keep the ball in front of them on defense. While in Svi's case that most commonly occurs when he comes in at the 2 and has to guard the 2 or occasionally the 1 on a switch. If they are hot and hitting the 3 this can offset their lapses on defense. If they aren't hitting they can't rely on their ability to play defense to stay on the court.

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