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Sunday, March 29, 2015

Jayhawk-to-be Bragg wins state

Cleveland Villa Angela-St. Joseph forward Carlton Bragg, right, goes up for a shot against Lima Central Catholic forward Dantez Walton during the second quarter of the OHSAA Division III boys high school basketball championship game Saturday, March 28, 2015, in Columbus, Ohio. Bragg has committed to play for Kansas University.

Cleveland Villa Angela-St. Joseph forward Carlton Bragg, right, goes up for a shot against Lima Central Catholic forward Dantez Walton during the second quarter of the OHSAA Division III boys high school basketball championship game Saturday, March 28, 2015, in Columbus, Ohio. Bragg has committed to play for Kansas University.

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Future Kansas University basketball forward Carlton Bragg scored 12 points with five assists against no turnovers to help his Cleveland Villa Angela-St. Joseph team defeat Lima Central Catholic, 63-50, in the Ohio Div. III state high school championship game Saturday at Ohio State’s Value City Arena in Columbus, Ohio.

It was a rematch of last year’s title contest in which Lima Central edged Bragg’s Vikings, 64-62.

Bragg, the 2015 AP Div. III All-Ohio Player of the Year, also was part of a state title team his sophomore season. Villa Angela-St. Joseph became one of three Ohio schools to win six state titles and the only school to win a state title in all four divisions.

“We reached our goals and we made history. The good part of it is nobody can take that from us. It (banner) will be up there for life,” Bragg said at the postgame news conference available at highschoolsports.cleveland.com.

The 6-foot-9, 225-pound senior forward, who has orally committed to KU, played 17 minutes because of foul problems.

“Just won state, now on my way to Chicago for (McDonald’s All-America game). Let’s get it,” Bragg, Rivals.com’s No. 15-rated player in the country, wrote on Twitter.

Villa Angela-St. Joseph coach Babe Kwasniak was asked what he’d tell inquisitive KU fans about Bragg.

“I’d say they are getting a young man whose ceiling is the sky,” Kwasniak said. “He can be so good. Carlton hasn’t had one bad practice this year. He’s brought it every single day. People tend to see, to look for his faults. They don’t see where he’s come from and how much he’s done. I do because I was there when he started from the bottom. Now we’re here.”

Kwasniak, whose Vikings finished 23-4, added: “Phog Allen Fieldhouse is the cat’s pajamas. It’s maybe the best venue in college sports next to a football game at Army. I can’t wait. I have a lot of friends there (KU), too.”

Billy Thomas honored: The Missouri Basketball Coaches Association has named Barstow School coach/former Kansas University guard Billy Thomas as Missouri Class 3 coach of the year.

Barstow recently defeated Stafford, 61-46, in the Class 3 state title game.

Thomas’ Knights placed second at state a year ago, falling to Cardinal Ritter, 57-48.

“Last year we were wide-eyed and bushy-tailed, just happy to be here,” Thomas told ozarksportszone.com after the title-game victory. “The last four minutes of that championship showed our inexperience (getting outscored 14-3). We told ourselves that we’ve proven we’re good enough to get here, so the offseason was spent becoming good enough to win it. Today is the culmination of a yearlong process to get back to this point.”

Thomas' Barstow team went 29-2 this past season and 27-3 in 2013-14.

Transfer possibility: Jon Rothstein of CBSsports.com says Fordham freshman guard Eric Paschall, who is considering a transfer following the firing of head coach Tom Pecora, will visit Villanova and Providence. Rothstein says KU, Florida and UConn are “also in mix” for the 6-6, 205-pounder from Dobbs Ferry, New York. He was named Atlantic 10 rookie of the year after averaging 16.5 points a game this past season. He has received permission to contact other schools but insists he still could return to Fordham.

Thorne update: Charlotte junior Mike Thorne, a 6-11, 275-pound junior from Fayetteville, North Carolina, has told zagsblog.com he will visit Illinois April 17-19. He’s also considering KU, Arizona, South Carolina, Pitt, North Carolina State and Virginia Tech. He was recruited by Tech coach Buzz Williams, when Williams was Marquette coach. Thorne averaged 10.1 points and 7.3 boards last season. As a graduate transfer, he will be immediately eligible next season.

Comments

Erich Hartmann 6 years, 8 months ago

Is he 6'9 or is he really 6'7.5"? Maybe this is the type of MickeyD that has to go thru some maturation, thus we get him for 2-3 years, like we did Shady, Cole, Rush, Chalmers, Sherron.

If he's at 225 now, he could be 245 by his soph season at KU after Huditioning. I recall a 6'9, 245lb guy we've sorely missed named Thomas Robinson.

Jerry Walker 6 years, 8 months ago

Good question. From various scouting reports he's been listed at 6'8" to 6'10" and weighing from 205 to 230. Throwing in the shoes on/shoes off standard adds to the intrigue.

It may appear to be picking nits but his size and ability is critical to his role at KU. We learned that lesson with Cliff Alexander who was predicted to be a beast inside with a true big man presence. It turned out he was under-sized with over-hyped skills and motor but still a darn fine recruit.

Bragg is a great signing but its fair at this point to wonder about his size and where he fits in his Jayhawk future. It's all part of the joy/exasperation of being a fan and speculating on the future.

Reggie Flenory 6 years, 8 months ago

Carlton Bragg OFFICIAL Mixtape! University of Kansas Commit: https://youtu.be/FH1b5ihD1KE

He's a stretch 4 with range which we need badly

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 8 months ago

So he's a Perry Ellis or Jamari Traylor type offensive game. That's not what KU needs. They need a true back to to basket scorer that is the low in the high low offense.

Reggie Flenory 6 years, 8 months ago

This dude is nothing like Taylor or Ellis for 1 he's way quicker off the bounce and a much better ball handler and a legit 6'9

Shannon Gustafson 6 years, 8 months ago

You expected a 6'9" forward to be primarily a back to the basket scorer? Come on now...

Reggie Flenory 6 years, 8 months ago

the difference is Bragg is a stretch forward who can face up and has tremendous ball handling ability he can also space the floor vs cliff Alexander or a Thomas Robinson type who is more of a back to the basket style of player from what I have read on rivals.com and scout.com is a legitimate 6 foot 9 inches tall without shoes he may put on at the most 5 or 10 pounds of muscle I don't see his frame or his skill set putting on a ton of weight

Dyrk Dugan 6 years, 8 months ago

Bragg hasn't signed yet; and can't for a few weeks.

It's a technical point I know, since his commitment has been solid, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. :)

Reggie Flenory 6 years, 8 months ago

Bragg is a stretch 4 who can take his man off the dribble and has actual basketball iq and brings an offensive skill setCarlton Bragg OFFICIAL Mixtape! University of Kansas Commit: https://youtu.be/FH1b5ihD1KE

Jaston Archie 6 years, 8 months ago

6'6 205 pound guard? Wow, that would be awesome if he came to KU., maybe then Frank Mason can warm the bench like he should. Self wants him to be the next Sherron Collins so bad but he's simply not. That Fordham kid would add instant size and scoring ability to the lineup, plus that New York swag.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 8 months ago

How would that put Mason on the bench? That kid would be a 3 at KU.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 8 months ago

A 3? He's the size of Andrew Harrison at Kentucky, who's a PG. He would be a combo guard 1 or 2. He could be PG, Selden at 2, Brannen Greene at 3, Perrry 4, and Zimmerman/Thon Maker at 5

Walter Bridges 6 years, 8 months ago

Aaron, you are exactly right plus he would need to sit out one year. Overall effect on Mason...0%

Jaston Archie 6 years, 8 months ago

Actually, the whole point of mentioning the kid is that he's eligible to transfer and play immediately because of the coaching change.

Jonathan Allison 6 years, 8 months ago

the transfer rules don't allow him to be immediately eligible unless he has graduated early, regardless of his head coach being fired or whatever. He was a freshman this year and so it's safe to say that he will have to sit a year if he transfers.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 8 months ago

My bad, that is correct; however, if he transfers to a different conference, there is a possibility he could be eligible right away. He would just have to go through a process

Bernard Gregory 6 years, 8 months ago

you got issues with Frank for some reason and its definitely not his basketball skills , so you need to deal with that. You want to bench the most consistent player on the team the whole year. Explain your problem since you making these ridiculous comments.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 8 months ago

Yes I do have issues with Frank Mason. 1.) He's turnover prone 2.) He always drives to the teeth of the defense and gets rejected. 3.) He seems to have a low basketball IQ. And "most consistent"!? If you're going to make those ridiculous comments, please explain yourself. In what way is Frank Mason the "most consistent?" In turnovers? He is a good competitor, but he lacks talent, plain and simple. People talk about Bill Self as if he found some hidden jewel in Mason. NO, there is a reason he wasn't being recruited heavily by top programs. I have nothing against him personally, but as a player he's mediocre at best

Kurt Eskilson 6 years, 8 months ago

Mason averaged 12.5 ppg this season, was our leading scorer eight times, and only had six games where he scored under 10 pts. That. Is. Consistent.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 8 months ago

Well, Perry Ellis averaged 13.6 ppg. That.Is.More Consistent. Bernard argued that he was the "most consistent." Nonetheless, just based on eye-test, I don't think Mason is an elite player, and his ceiling is low. I would much rather have an Andrew Harrison, Tyus Jones type player, who is clutch and reliable. Tell me you can watch Frank Mason with complete confidence that he will take care of the ball and make smart choices. No way. He is turnover prone, and being a PG, that is unacceptable, no matter how "consistent" he is.

Arthur Ankeney 6 years, 8 months ago

I really like the look of Bragg. I'm not sure how much time he'll get next year competing for minutes behind a senior in Ellis, but I think he will develop a TON behind Ellis. Similar game types. Prefers to play face up but looks like he's got better ball handing and is gonna be much more athletic. I think Bragg's got the chance to really learn a lot of Ellis's moves and develop next year and be a tremendous star as a sophomore.

Steve Zimmerman 6 years, 8 months ago

Forget about recruiting players, how bout some talks recruiting head coaches? Izzou would be great, even if it's a long shot. Pitino would be even huge.

Scott Quiring 6 years, 8 months ago

Head coaches??? Why on earth would we get rid of Self? One of, if not the, most winningest coach in the last decade. So we've had a few years where we've exited early form the tournament - so what? So have numerous other teams. Self isn't the problem for KU - it's the one and done system the NBA promotes. If they would raise the age limit to enter the draft then we'd get to keep kids like Wiggins and Embiid a lot longer. But until that happens, every school in the country that isn't named Kentucky is going to struggle a little when they have to rebuild every single year. And by the way, I'm no Kentucky fan and I personally believe that there are some serious violations going on with their program and how they keep getting the top talent year after year after year.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 8 months ago

So what? The one and done rule isnt going away. You either have to adapt to this new era of college basketball or accept mediocrity. You're essentially saying we should just accept being a lesser program then the other blue bloods and just hope the NBA changes a system that it clearly has no incentive to change.

Steve Zimmerman 6 years, 8 months ago

Keep coach Self talk aside. Let's see, any teams that have rebuilt, but yet still in FF? How bout Duke? Louisville? Michigan St.? What am I thinking.. let's just be happy we won B12 already. it's B12..

John Kelley 6 years, 8 months ago

(Self isn't the problem for KU - it's the one and done system the NBA promotes).

That rule effects every team, why would it only hurt KU and no one else?

Bryce Landon 6 years, 8 months ago

No, Self IS part of the problem. His teams regularly lose games they have no business losing, he has FIVE losses in the NCAA Tournament to I-AA schools (Ol' Roy only lost ONCE to a I-AA school, Rhode Island, when he was here at Kansas), he has only two Final Fours and one national title when he ought to have four or five Final Fours and two or three national titles under his belt. Worse yet, he never takes any of the blame for it; he always throws his players under the bus (like when he cracked Topeka YMCA jokes about his team following that horrible loss to TCU). No one outside of Big 12 country cares that we've won the conference 11 years in a row; all they see is our underachievement in the Big Dance.

John Kelley 6 years, 8 months ago

Winning the Big 12 Conference regular season championships is very good needless to say but going out early in the NCAA Tournament is not. Especially losing to mid-majors Bucknell (2005, 14 seed); Bradley (2006, 13); Northern Iowa (2010, 9); VCU (2011, 11); Wichita State (2015, 7).

Jaston Archie 6 years, 8 months ago

I think a new coach search is a little premature, but I definitely agree with putting Self on the hot seat. All of these early tourney exits, especially against mid majors is getting old and unacceptable. He wins the Big 12 again, so what. For one, the Big 12 is overrated as shown by the tourney. There may be a lot of skilled players in the league, but the teams lack mental toughness. And secondly, Allen Fieldhouse is such a huge advantage. And he's just super negative and beats the confidence out of his players. Izzo or Pitino would be great though

Ben Simonett 6 years, 8 months ago

Fred Hoiberg. pay him whatever it takes!

Jaston Archie 6 years, 8 months ago

When looking for a new coach to replace one who loses early in the tourney, one who lost even earlier is not a good option lol

Ben Simonett 6 years, 8 months ago

the impressive part is hes actually getting to the tourney with IOWA ST!!!!!

i say give him all the resources that come with a job at a blueblood and see what he can do with them

A. J. Daggett 6 years, 8 months ago

I like Fred Holberg but what makes him any better. They had an older and more experienced team this year and exited in the first round of the NCAA. One of the biggest problems for KU is they always have a huge target on their backs and they"ll always get everyones best game. That's nothing that a coaching change is going to help.

Ashwin Rao 6 years, 8 months ago

So we can watch the rest of the tournament on TV after the 1st round? ;)

Bryce Landon 6 years, 8 months ago

Hell no! For one thing, he's shady; we don't need shady at KU. For another thing, no way he leaves his alma mater to coach at a conference rival.

Bryce Landon 6 years, 8 months ago

I agree. I've lost my confidence in Self's coaching prowess after 19 losses in two seasons and two bad losses in the Round of 32. That loss to Wichita State cost us more than a basketball game; it cost us our credibility as a program. Only a coaching change can restore that credibility.

Bryce Landon 6 years, 8 months ago

Gregg Marshall knows how to motivate his players to play hard and smart and give a full 40 minutes.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 8 months ago

Tom izzo in final 4 again. He is just a flat out better coach then bill self. period

And at this point you cant deny Kentucky and Duke, along with Mich st. are just better programs than KU in terms of succeeding in this new one and done era. all 3 programs do it in different ways but each is producing better results in March then what Selfs strategy is.

I'll trade Self's 10 straight conference tittles for Calliparis and Izzos number of final fours over the past 10 years any day.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 8 months ago

ABSOLULEY 100% AGREE! Although I wouldn't take Izzo's record once he gets to the Final Four

Steve Zimmerman 6 years, 8 months ago

Somebody has got to get deeper and analyze Self's strategy. Why doesn't it work in the tournament (it's been 7 years due)...? Or why MSU or the Cards was so successful in getting there year after year.. Heck, even the Shocke.. never mind.. But without the right kind of players, changing strategy or coach doesn't really matter..

Ben Simonett 6 years, 8 months ago

ignoring the 08 championship and the bucknell and bradly first round knockouts, here is how self has finished in his tournament runs:

04: lost in elite 8 07: lost in elite 8 09: sweet 16 10: rnd of 32 11: elite 8 12: championship game 13: sweet 16 14: rnd of 32 15: rnd of 32

just a high level look at this performance shows that in 7 out of the 9 tournaments Selfs teams lost in the second game of the weekend. Rnd of 32, elite 8, and the championship game are all played with only 2 days to prep for the next opponent. The frequency with which Selfs teams lose these games would suggest he and his staff are not very good at prepping for an opponent in a short amount of time

Ben Simonett 6 years, 8 months ago

add to this analysis the stark difference between the 08 teams performance in the final 4. The utterly destroyed UNC with the week of prep to get ready and then needed Mario miracle to get past Memphis on only two days prep.

they blew out villanova in the sweet 16 and then barely squeak by curry and Davidson in the elite 8.

Cody Riedy 6 years, 8 months ago

Geez, why did KU blow out UNC but struggle against Memphis, blow out Villanova and struggle against Davidson? Could it be that Memphis and Davidson were led by guys that were on there way to being MVP caliber players in the NBA (DRose before injury of course)?

Ben Simonett 6 years, 8 months ago

as opposed to the team that won the championshp the following year and had one of the greatest college basketball players of all time(UNC and Hansborough)?

Ashwin Rao 6 years, 8 months ago

I believe tournament is more suitable for a good (and consistent) shooting team, with great defense (secondary). We therefore need more permeter guys that can learn defense.

We will be much more exciting to watch (quicker, because we will be smaller), and we can depend on Lucas to do some swatting of the ball if needed.

Bryce Landon 6 years, 8 months ago

The only good thing about MSU getting to the Final Four is that it makes our victory over them in the Orlando Classic look more impressive.

Brian Wilson 6 years, 8 months ago

IF we don't get any more OAD Freshmen there are some rumored transfers that have not picked new destinations yet:

3.7 Star1 6'9" Tyler Harris RS Jr of Providence
3 Star 6'9" Conner McDougal Fr of ArizonaSt
4 star 6'10" Dominic Woodson So of Tennessee weight 310lbs
4 star 6'10" Joseph Uchebo Jr of Pittsburgh wt 245lbs

There are a few others... plus there are some that have not been rumored yet! Hopefully this will make a few of you feel better about the fact there may be some surprises in signings.

Shane Johnston 6 years, 8 months ago

Would really like guys who have a chance be here 2+ years. If it's a one-year guy who plays center, he needs to be a clear upgrade from Landen and Hunter .

Shane Johnston 6 years, 8 months ago

Last year at Charlotte, Thorne averaged 10.1 pts, 7.3 rbs, 0.9 blks and shot .534 in 26 minutes. Hunter got 7 minutes and Landen 15. Per 26, Hunter averaged 8.9, 6.7,3.7 at 0.500. At Arkansas, he was 8.5, 5.5, 1.9 at 0.470. Last year, Landen averaged 6.0, 7.4,1.0 at 0.532. Everything is per-26. Landen only played 5 minutes a game the year before.

For comparison, Tarik played 14 minutes at KU and 21 minutes his last year at Memphis. Per 26, at KU Tarik averaged 10.6, 7.5, 1.0 at 0.692. At Memphis he was at 10.1, 6.0 and 0.8 at 0.589.

Give Landen four more shots a game at the same percentage and his production is identical to Thorne's.

Rodney Crain 6 years, 8 months ago

Nice research and solid point Brian. Nice to see a post with some thought.

Tyler Capone 6 years, 8 months ago

Id like us to get that SG from Fordham I forget his name but we need a 2 guard that can actually contribute out there. Selden, Greene, Svi just aren't cutting it.

Brian Wilson 6 years, 8 months ago

I tried to find out about this Guard from Fordham and I can't find anything. The hardest thing to find is guys eligible next year. On my list, the only one that is guaranteed to play next year is Harris. The others have to be cleared, which is somewhat hard to do.

Cody Riedy 6 years, 8 months ago

In the summer of 2014, ESPN, and in November 2014, Athlon Sports, ranked the best coaches in college basketball. In both, they put Bill Self at No. 6, behind different orderings of Tom Izzo, Coach K, Billy Donovan, John Calipari, and Rick Pitino. One could argue about the exact order or for a couple of other guys to be mentioned in this group, especially considering career accomplishments (interestingly neither put Roy Williams in their top ten), but generally speaking, I'd say the vast majority of people who are paid for their thoughts on college basketball would more or less agree with this list. So to say Izzo or Coach K are better coaches than Bill Self is not exactly insightful or provocative. So maybe Izzo and Pitino are better coaches then Bill Self, fine. But none of these guys are coming to KU. All of those coaches, accept Donovan are also older than Self. So to say, Bill Self is the best coach KU could get, is not settling for less, its acknowledging that the greatest coaches of that generation already have jobs. Calipari missed the tournament two years ago. Donovan missed the tournament this year. Coach K lost in the first round in 2012 and 2014. Two consecutive disappointing (but not surprisingly so) tournament runs isn't enough to start talking about replacing Self.

Andrew Horigan 6 years, 8 months ago

I haven't thought about the best available coaches like that, but you make good points. Out of all the college coaches out there, Self is the best we can get. I'd just like to see less first weekend exits or unexpected losses to lower seeded teams in the tournament.

William Weissbeck 6 years, 8 months ago

No, but then look at tournament coaches. Look at this weekend's games. The better coaches are able to use their personnel to exploit the other teams weaknesses. MSU did not rely on Dawson and Valentine to win this game. Maybe Louisville's Rozier had a terrible game, and maybe MSU made sure the other team's star didn't beat them. Duke had only 2 TO's and played a very controlled game. Winslow ultimately was the factor, but any one of the starting 5 could have produced. There is a very different mindset in the tournament. Some coaches are better at instilling it.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 8 months ago

Those lists ignore the fact that those 6 coaches all have much more resources then the typical coach at a non blue blood program. if you took some of those coaches ranked 7-20 on those lists and gave them the same opportunitties the head coach of KU gets it is possible some of them could do more with those resources and opportunities then Self Has

Cody Riedy 6 years, 8 months ago

It's possible, sure. But Self got the KU job because he himself was once the guy winning at lower-tier programs (for example, he took Tulsa to the Elite 8 in just three seasons). It's been pointed out by some that one could argue that Self is already the best coach in KU's history. Add Roy Williams since he's been at North Carolina to the list of coaches above, and that it, that's the list of coaches who have been equal to or better than Self since he's been at KU, including the tournament. So yes, it is "possible" that there's somebody out there that could be better. But it's insane, after just two frustrating (but still highly successfully by virtually everyone but a handful of programs's standards) to talk about trading Self for a "maybe". You know Tom Izzo hasn't won a national title in fifteen years? Did you know that until this year, Self had been to a final four more recently than both Izzo and Coach K? Do you know Roy Williams and North Carolina haven't been to the Final 4 since they won the title in 09? That until last year, Donovan and Florida hadn't been to the Final 4 since they won the title in 07 and now this year Florida didn't even make the field? Do you realize how rare it is for programs to sustain the success KU has through successive coaching changes? Even in "amateur" athletics, no one is untouchable, but it's not even close to time to start thinking about trading Self for a "maybe will be better" that history says "probably won't"

Bryce Landon 6 years, 8 months ago

What would it take then? Do we want to go the way of Texas and miss the Sweet 16 seven consecutive years before making a coaching change? Missing it two years in a row is bad enough.

Cody Riedy 6 years, 8 months ago

If missing the Sweet 16 two years in a row were a fireable offense, then Izzo, Donovan, Coach K, Roy Williams, and Rick Pitino would have all been fired from their current schools.

Andrew Horigan 6 years, 8 months ago

The NCAA tournament is going on and we're celebrating a future player's high school championship...

Bryce Landon 6 years, 8 months ago

Dr. Zenger needs to give Self an ultimatum: Get to another Final Four within the next three years, or make other arrangements for this basketball program. For KU to only have two Final Fours in the twelve seasons Self has been at Kansas is underachievement. And don't talk to me about Self winning the national title in 2008; we can't hang our hats on that forever. Not when Connecticut has won two national titles since then (2011, 2014). Not when Kentucky has won a national title (2012, at our expense) and is on the cusp of another one this year.

William Weissbeck 6 years, 8 months ago

I think Self has somewhat the same problem as Rick Barnes. Either you have the talent and should be winning with it, or you aren't recruiting the right guys for the caliber of program. Granted a healthy Embid could have taken us far. But then there was Xavier Henry and Ben McLemore. Are we missing out on Kansas talent or overlooking it? Did taking Alexander hurt us in getting Myles Turner, even though he didn't light things up that much, either? What you can say for Izzo and Coach K is that you know the personality of their teams is the coach. When we say our team doesn't have an identity, isn't that the coach?

Mike Riches 6 years, 8 months ago

I may be in the minority here, but I really value what Coach Self has accomplished in winning 11 straight conference championships. In my opinion, winning your league is right there with going to the Final Four. Certainly it's not the same as winning a National Championship, but 75% of Final Four teams don't win at the end of each year, so most Final Four teams are just losers that made it a little bit farther than most. This year I would rather have seen KU win their league than go to the Final Four, just because of the streak. As Cody mentioned above, the fact that Self has been ranked above Roy, even though Roy has won it all twice in the last decade, shows that "experts" have a lot of respect for a team and coach that consistently wins their league. I don't think that Self should be worried about his job any time soon.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 8 months ago

in none of those 11 years has another team besides Kansas made a final four from the big 12. Dominating a league lacking any legitimate elite teams is not nearly as difficult as going deep in the tournament

Ben Simonett 6 years, 8 months ago

Question to all the Self supporters out there. Would you still be defending him nearly as passionately if Mario Chalmers doesnt make that miracle 3?

Gary Bedore 6 years, 8 months ago

Me thinks Self invented that play in which Chalmers drained the three. It's called chop and it's his invention. Self inventor; Chalmers the finisher.

Cody Riedy 6 years, 8 months ago

Personally, I'm not so much as passionately defending him (though I think his record is pretty defendable) as trying to point out how reactionary and near-sighted is the call to fire him is after these past two seasons and that its foolish to just assume that someone else would come in and do better. All I'm arguing is that Self has been pretty damn good, good enough, that I'm not willing to trade the success he's had on some up and coming coaches potential. Personally, I think it would take a 4-5 year stretch of seasons like the last two before I'd start thinking about a coaching change. Right now, who would you hire (that would actually conceivably take the job) if Self was fired today? Shaka Smart based off of 4 good seasons at VCU and one deep tournament run? Sean Miller based off of 6 good years at Arizona (with no Final Fours); he's 46, so not much younger than Self and why would he leave Arizona for KU? His brother based off a couple of years at Dayton? Gregg Marshall based off of a three year run with a core of players at Wichita State? There's only one coach I can think of off the top of my head that KU might be able to land and who has a track record and credibility enough that I would give more than a half-second of consideration for replacing Bill Self right now and that's Brad Stevens who's already succeeding in the NBA.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 8 months ago

I see your point. But to clarify, my desire to see a coaching change in not based on the past 2 years but the 11 year resume as a whole being less impressive then the resume of coaches at KUs peer programs

Mike Riches 6 years, 8 months ago

That's sports bro. If Notre Dame made its free throws late, Calipari would be in a very different place this morning. If the Morris brothers played better in one game, people probably wouldn't be as high on Shaka Smart. If Lorenzo Charles isn't there for the catch and dunk, would Jim Valvano be remembered differently? We can do if's all day long, but the fact is it happened. It's another reason though why I value conference championships. Those are not about miracle shots, or short winning streaks, they are about greatness over a significant portion of the season.

John Strayer 6 years, 8 months ago

Getting rid of Self is foolishness...however, that's not to say that Self doesn't have room for improvement. Things like losing in the second game of the weekend...overlooking lower seeds...mentally week teams....lack of killer instinct are all areas KU needs to improve. And here is a novel idea...learn/teach a team how to score!. I realize defense is extremely important...but a 55 to 60 game has a lot narrower margin for error than a team that routinely scores in the 80s. Maybe that increase in scoring needs to come from defensive steals turning into fast breaks.

Tyler Capone 6 years, 8 months ago

Can't believe Kansas fans want Self gone so bad. Self's don't grow on trees guys. I think he's recruiting the wrong guys IMO and I think that trend will continue with this Bragg kid.

Bryce Landon 6 years, 8 months ago

If Self can figure out how to beat MVC teams in the first weekend of the tournament and get us back to the Final Four, we'll stop calling for his head.

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