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Monday, March 16, 2015

Bill Self reiterates nothing has changed with Cliff Alexander

Kansas forward Cliff Alexander watches warmups on Saturday, Feb. 28, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse. Kansas University officials announced that Alexander will not play against Texas after they were alerted to a potential eligibility issue involving Alexander by the NCAA.

Kansas forward Cliff Alexander watches warmups on Saturday, Feb. 28, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse. Kansas University officials announced that Alexander will not play against Texas after they were alerted to a potential eligibility issue involving Alexander by the NCAA.

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Kansas University basketball coach Bill Self spoke with ESPN’s Andy Katz Monday about freshman Cliff Alexander and indicated he won’t play in the NCAA Tournament.

This comes less than 24 hours after Self told media on Sunday evening he didn’t plan on commenting on the freshman unless something changed with Alexander’s situation.

“I think I said nothing has changed (to Katz),” Self told the Journal-World Monday afternoon. “So we’re moving forward as we won’t have him.”

Asked by Katz about the chances Alexander might play in the NCAA Tournament, Self said: "I think the same as it was last week and the week before and the week before that; not very good. We're certainly moving on with the likelihood he will not be available to us. If he is, of course that would be a big bonus, but at this time I don't think so."

Asked about the chances the NCAA and Alexander might actually meet this week, Self said: "I don’t think it has anything to do with what he wants to do or with what the NCAA wants to do. They just have to have all the parties on the same page. I’m not privy to that information so I don’t know where all that is. I’m hopeful that’s the case. I know that’s what he wants. Certainly, I don’t think we are at the point where that is going to transpire yet.”

Comments

Suzi Marshall 4 years, 3 months ago

This is a dead story and an unwelcome distraction, for now.

I hate to even comment on this but the only thing of interest would be Alexander is now with Paul Stafford with the Dallas based law firm, Stafford & Barrow. This firm specializes in "Personal Injury" litigation. You can bet they took the case on a contingency and are preparing to sue both Kansas and the NCAA. The bases of the lawsuit will be that parental loan documents are a private matter. Stafford will claim that Kansas holding Alexander out of post season play has damaged his reputation and illegally damaged his mark value.

Ashwin Rao 4 years, 3 months ago

When does anyone have control over who gets to play other than the coach? Even if the original case was not there, it is upto Coach to determine who plays... I don't see a case against KU... NCAA has only informed KU about the potential issue, so they are also off the hook.

Suzi Marshall 4 years, 3 months ago

Does not matter if you see a case or not. What matters is what the Alexander family feels they are entitled to receive and the encouragement an attorney may provide, who wants a big pay day.

Personally, I think they will will get clobbered in court and will hurt Cliff's reputation. However ...

Joe Ross 4 years, 3 months ago

With respect, your answer to Ashwin lies short of certainty with regard to Cliff's and his family's desire to sue The University.

Brandon Dey 4 years, 3 months ago

Never going to happen. A lawsuit puts everything on the table. The exact thing they are working very hard not to do.

At this point there has been no reckless behavior by the NCAA or KU. Quite the opposite in this case. There has been no press by any of the three parties calling the other one out or questioning their intentions. It would be very hard at this point to prove harm has been caused.

Joe Ross 4 years, 3 months ago

Good point, Brandon! If they sued, then the loan records could be subpoenaed. Once they are, the grounds for their case are dismissed.

Suzi Marshall 4 years, 3 months ago

Brandon and Joe, you are both wrong. Alexander's lawyer will try to argue the loan papers are a private matter with the parents and therefore not material to the "personal injury" illegally imposed upon Alexander.

Why do you think he has retained this type of law firm commonly knows as "ambulance chasers."

Joe Ross 4 years, 3 months ago

Even from your perspective, if they have to "try" then there is no definitive outcome, in which case you can neither call yourself "right" or us "wrong". It's completely illogical.

In the second place, there are a lot of private documents that get subpoenaed in court. Medical records, protected by HIPAA, can be subpoenaed. Personal privacy can be contravened by a court for legal purpose. As Cliff would have the burden of proof to show injury, he could only be described as such if the loan were not taken against his future earnings AND the NCAA wouldnt talk to him because he could not divulge the papers to show it. But the NCAA does not have power to subpoena, a court does. And they can subpoena private documents.

Suzi Marshall 4 years, 3 months ago

I think we are all saying the same thing in that they can "try". As I said earlier, perhaps in another post, I think they will get clobbered in court for exactly what you state, i.e. the court can subpoena those documents.

Alexander has dropped out of the DE and NBADraft first round mock drafts.

Armen Kurdian 4 years, 3 months ago

That's just it...'potential' issue, so they throw it at KU, and KU gets in trouble if they knowingly play a player who may have eligibility problems. Coach Self has no choice but not to play him, and he probably can't express his true opinion on the matter lest he gets the school in trouble.

This is plum ridiculous, and maybe ruining Cliff's career because of something someone else did that he may not have even gained any material benefit from, at least directly.

Someone somewhere is trying to protect their own skin and in the process is hurting a guy who could be an NBA all-star one day.

I can just see it now that a couple of months from now the NCAA will say, "Oh our mistake, there was nothing wrong here," but too late for this season. BS.

Michael Lorraine 4 years, 3 months ago

Isn't holding him out basically for show by telling the NCAA that we are concerned about the issue. If the NCAA ultimately rules that Cliff is ineligible it wouldn't matter if we played him or not. Either way, all the games he played in this season would be forfeited and if we had to forfeit the regular season games we are not eligible to play in the tournament.

Vernon Riggs 4 years, 3 months ago

I doubt that it will ever get that far. Defending a civil suit, the NCAA would be able to subpoena documents (loan papers) and depose witnesses under oath (Cliff, Cliff's mom, the loan company employees). All of which isn't good for Cliff or Kansas. This will all end with Cliff claiming he and his parents are without fault, the NCAA knowing but not proving there was wrong-doing and Kansas stating they were just simple innocent by-standers. Wink, wink...good as a nod. Lots of smoke but no flames.

Steve Zimmerman 4 years, 3 months ago

I'm not familiar with NCAA rules and all, but one thing I wonder is if there's any major ivy schools that got their players under scrutiny by the committee. How come UK, with the most NBA talents, or Duke, NC, never have to go through this ordeal. At least in the recent past. To me this looks like another Selby story, only this time, it's during even crucial time for KU.

Aaron Paisley 4 years, 3 months ago

What are you talking about? Kentucky's been investigated at least 3 times since Cal has arrived. Enes Kanter playing in Europe, Eric Bledsoe having his grades altered in HS to be eligible (similar to Darrell Arthur's situation), and Anthony Davis allegedly getting paid. UNC just got done with their academic scandal that most definitely included basketball players. Duke had to deal with a similar issue in 2010 with Lance Thomas. All major programs have had issues in the past and they very rarely ever any significant punishment from the NCAA because they lack the ability to subpoena people and documents.

Steve Zimmerman 4 years, 3 months ago

Thanks for the education, Mr. Paisley. That's pretty sad, Cal has escaped so many violations and yet still managed to play his players deep into the tournament.

Brandon Dey 4 years, 3 months ago

Syracuse is not having fun this year either.

Herb Warren 4 years, 3 months ago

So how does this mess play out? NCAA does not get what they want so they just stand by the stove and let the pot simmer. NBA draft declare deadline comes along and Chiff has no choice but to declare. Whoever hired the law firm pays the bill and everyone moves on fat and happy (except maybe Cliff).????????

Don Papst 4 years, 3 months ago

I am sick of hearing about this. I am sorry for Cliff, but we need to move on and wish Cliff the best. We are not going to have him for the tourney, and probably not ever. Lets concentrate on getting as far as we can in the Dance with what we have. Then go hard after Zimmerman or Rabb and Newman and Brown. Good luck guys!!!! ROCK CHALK!!

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