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Saturday, January 3, 2015

Keegan

Column: Kansas football long way away

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The vastly entertaining theater that has unfolded in bowl games, especially on New Year’s Day, hammered home a point that already should have been obvious. Kansas University is so, so far away from fielding a competitive football program.

One team after another featured quarterbacks who made defenses skittish with their running ability. High-speed, punishing blows delivered by so many kickoff coverage teams threatened to wear out the material on the arms of recliners across America. Big, fast pass-rushers flew off the edges to bury quarterbacks. Kickers made field goals.

Offensive lines built by high school recruits who made themselves ready through years of weight-room sweat opened huge holes.

The players looked so much bigger, faster and stronger than most who will start next season for Kansas.

Many teams that dominated Kansas were on the other end of the beatings in bowl games. The Big 12 went 2-5 in bowls and KU played its two most impressive games vs. the Big 12’s two winners, losing to Oklahoma State 27-20 and to TCU 34-30. The conference’s five schools that lost bowl games did so by an average of 40-25. KU lost to all five by an average of 42-10.

Arkansas absolutely manhandled Texas, 31-7, in much the same way as the Longhorns had their way with Kansas, 23-0. Oklahoma’s Samaje Perine repeatedly ran away from the Jayhawks with an NCAA-record 427 yards and five touchdowns in OU’s 44-7 slaughter. Clemson handled the Sooners, 40-6, despite 134 yards from Perine.

Complicating matters for new KU coach David Beaty, the NCAA yearly scholarship limit of 25 means his first roster likely will have at least 10 fewer scholarship players than the 85 allowed.

Mix in receiver Nigel King’s decision to make himself eligible for the NFL draft and the departure of seniors Nick Harwell, Jimmay Mundine and Tony Pierson from the offense and Ben Heeney, Dexter McDonald, Michael Reynolds, Jacorey Shepherd and Keon Stowers from the defense and Trevor Pardula and Justin McCay from special teams and it becomes difficult to imagine KU not getting worse before it improves.

Stemming the recent attendance decline represents quite a challenge. KU’s attendance was down 10 percent in 2014 to an average of 34,077. The only lower power-five conference schools: Washington State (30,794), Duke (27,291) and Wake Forest (27,210).

Beaty’s discipline to resist parting from his stated goal of building with high school talent faces a tough test, but it’s the only way to go.

Comments

Erich Hartmann 5 years, 10 months ago

The flip side of the coin:

TX 23-0 win over KU was enormously aided by Cozart's 3 INTs.

KSU's "vaunted" O-line (probably more accurate to say "better than KU's O-line") --> gave up 7 sacks vs. UCLA.

Please be aware that any espousing KState's system is ignoring that Snyder is unable to get 5star kids, thus has to do his developmental-track method. If you think that's the best that KU can do, then you are selling KU short. I refuse to support KSU/Snyder's system, because it is a plateaued system, held down by its lack of recruiting ability...and also by matter of principle: why espouse what is supposedly our bitter rival (ask any KSU fan who their hated rival is)? Would we covet what Mizzou did? Uh, y'all know what Fambrough would say to that notion. I guarantee I was rooting hard for UCLA. I will root for ANY BigXII team over KSU.

There is also that little dirty fact that KSU usually loses to bigger programs, as they blew the game to Auburn, and they didnt help the BigXII's perception with their performance vs. UCLA. And in both losses, their best player (Lockett) has a TD go right thru his 2 hands in the endzone. Haha, how much did Auburn and UCLA pay Tyler Lockett? The miffed TDs were that bad...and both proved to be potential game winners.

Simple question: During this time of restart/rebuild, is it impermissible to be a bit idealistic as we set our vision for KU football's program development? So, then, is it right to set our sights on the middle ground (KSU's system) or at the pinnacle of the sport (SEC), or at least in our own conference (OU or TX, historically speaking)?

Hint: Nobody outside of KS cares about KState. So, him having travelled and worked outside of this state, I'll tell you what direction KSU-grad Sheahon Zenger has decided on: he hired a recruiter. A Texan with Texas connections + prior KU/kansas connections. Zenger wants better recruits, period--this whole move is pretty transparent in its aim. Imagine the legacy Zenger would have if he could actually help turn KU football into a conference contender (one day...)? To spin Switzer's famous phrase a bit: Need the right Jimmies & Joes to execute those X's & O's...

And I dont buy that talk about "hard to get elite recruits to Kansas" (maybe to Manhattan), as Bill Self is regularly bringing top talent to this state for about a decade now...! Look, only time will tell if Beaty is the right guy, and the odds may even be against him...but I sure has 'heck' dont want a KStateEast or KSU redux. At least Beaty and Bowen have a lot of energy, and I hope KU alums/fans/admin will give Beaty 3-4 years to get his roster stocked up with his kids, coach em up, strengthen them, and see what they can do on the field.

(My apologies for offending any 'House Divided' KU-KSU households, but I refuse to root for anything KSU...my choice. And that's my whole point for KU Athletics--we can choose to aspire beyond what KSU does...)

Joe Joseph 5 years, 10 months ago

Not sure it's fair to label what Snyder has done - and continues to do - at KSU as "average."

If that's average and "middle ground," then yeah, I'd love for KU to be average. I'd be greedy and beyond foolish to expect anything more.

Ed Noyes 5 years, 10 months ago

Erich Hartmann is "spot on" as they say. Usually I think that I could have said something better than whomever but not this time and Erich "gets it". There have been a few times since I graduated in 1969...Orange Bowl loss to Penn State that shouldn't have been...that the Hawks were on the way that Erich describes, being derailed by coaching defections, loss of momentum, subsequent bad hires, fan apathy and then years of program malaise. Stop the cycle with CDB succeeding, staying & prospering. Erich is the "man".

Brent Held 5 years, 10 months ago

I am so glad you brought up that no one outside of KS cares about Kstate because it is so true. When I arrived at KU I couldn't believe the KS kids venting their distaste for Kstate because I couldn't care less about them.

Brent Held 5 years, 10 months ago

I am so glad you brought up that no one outside of KS cares about Kstate because it is so true. When I arrived at KU I couldn't believe the KS kids venting their distaste for Kstate because I couldn't care less about them.

Calvin Miller 5 years, 10 months ago

Pure hogwash. Zenger hired someone who he thinks is a recruiter. But recruiting to aTm and recruiting to KU are totally different.

Good coaching trumps recruiting always on a year in-year out basis. An individual game or two may be dependent on the level of athletes, but in the long run it's the coaching that wins games in college.
IF recruiting were the key element, then coaches such as Chizik at Auburn, Brown at UT, Kiffen at USC, Muschamp at UF, and Hoke at UM would have never been fired.

Add to that the KSU-Auburn game: Snyder easily outcoached Malzahn who had the far better athletes. The game was lost due to the 3 missed FGs.

Stewart Hanson 5 years, 10 months ago

Mr. Keegan, I appreciate your article. The fact of the matter is the University of Kansas Football program needs continuity and consistency. This is what I hope Coach Beaty will bring to the program. Our football program needs a coaching staff which will remain intact for longer than four seasons. Our football program needs an achievement based evaluation which is rationale, measurable, and time sensitive. The marketing of the football program needs to be relative to this "achievement based" model, in order to avoid selling the program neither short or long. Reality is the key. Give the KU Faithful effort, fundamentals, competitiveness each down and possession, and you will build a football program as well as a fan base.

Just be smart. There are so many examples of "how to build" a college football program, and they all require patience. Don't attempt to fool us, we know a con when we see one.

Doug Cramer 5 years, 10 months ago

I had much of the same feeling for 5 years now. But yeah, from a talent standpoint...this team is about as depleted as it could be. I'd be willing to bet that there are NUMEROUS FCS teams that have more physical talent than us.

Dirk Medema 5 years, 10 months ago

You keep harping on "the slowness of the coaching search", but there was nothing slow about it.

There was minimal difference in the level of recruiting being performed during the season by Bowen and the existing staff vs. a new staff during the season. Even more importantly, there wasn't a coach worth hiring that was available/willing to come to KU mid-year. This hire someone a mo nth or 2 earlier is just an illusion/delusion (not based in a reality the rest of the world lives in) in your head.

Micky Baker 5 years, 10 months ago

I agree with that,but firing Weis early in the season gave coaches and KU a chance to start looking and evaluating much sooner which I think helped in narrowing down the field. We don't have the luxury of just going out and asking Jim Harbaugh to go to Kansas. We also need to get more guys to visit the campus and Lawrence in general because there is a preconception that because it's in Kansas that it's a hick town. There are all kinds of comments like, "look at the white fans", as if going to a basketball or football game to root for the team is racist because they're mostly white people in the stands(like every other venue by the way).

Dyrk Dugan 5 years, 10 months ago

These columns are pointless; and also a repeat....a same song different verse.

We know, painfully know, that we "are far, far away" from being a competitive football team. We're 4-48 in the league the last six years....that's all you need to know basically. Weis brought the discipline....but no football players; essentially all of his JUCO recruits and transfers didn't work or worse, never played a single down. And Turner Gill didn't know really have it as far as discipline and actually organizing a program.

So now we bring in a coach who I believe follows the formula; accomplished assistant who has learned under successful head coaches (Mangino, Sumlin), and has risen thru the ranks on his own accord....and started out as a HS coach. He's young, energetic and can start building those recruiting relationships. The article on Rivals that talked about the Hutchinson KS HS coach saying no KU Head coach had ever visited the school about the team before Beaty, is all you need to know.

To return to respectability and possibly become a league title contender (which I believe should be the goal of ALL of our sports) we need to work our tail off...and I think the new coach is committed to it. Be innovative in recruiting, teaching and player development. Sure it will be hard....but there is literally nowhere to go but up. Let's get behind Coach Beaty and commit to it....our football history cannot end this way; too much tradition, and fairly recent excellence to show for it. Go Jayhawks!

Micky Baker 5 years, 10 months ago

With the departure of Nigel King, we should have 6 spots to fill now. We need to focus on the defensive line with these six spots, and I prefer to do a 2:1 ratio of high school players to juco players. We could use a couple of studs with good character coming out of Juco to somewhat bridge the gap and give the younger guys a year to build their bodies up, but we shouldn't do what Weis tried with the defensive line by going all out Juco. We might need to get another WR that has some length to him because they only guy we will have with any length for 2015 is Coleman, and he flopped this past season. I do feel comfortable with Avery and Mann returning, but we need another guy in the backfield who can spell the two guys.

It's really hard to know what to expect because we really don't know what kind of offense we're going to have in terms of the scheme quite yet. I don't know what kind of players we need for it yet either. Offense is important in keeping the defense off the field, though we are probably going to be better on defense than on offense in the early Beaty era even though we lost some studs who might be playing on Sundays from 2014's roster(Shepherd, McDonald, Heeney). I think it will be between Cummings and Willis, primarily for the QB position but I don't think Millweard will be that far behind. We should move Cozart to WR as he does have the ability to adjust to that role and contribute positively.

Regardless, in Beaty's first year we shouldn't expect miracles. Everything is going to be new for the offense including a lot of guys playing who have never played on the O-line and at the wide receiver positions. This could work out well since almost all the wide receivers are going to be true freshmen or redshirt freshmen. Tight End is going to be a question mark too. Who is going to be? Smiley or Taylor? Will Taylor be willing to block?

As we move forward, particularly after a couple of games in the upcoming season, we'll be able to learn more about many of these guys that haven't played any yet. I have a lot more to discuss, but will save it for later.

Doug Cramer 5 years, 10 months ago

Yes the D-line is in my opinion the most important position group in this sport. It's the single most reason as to why this program has suffered so badly since the Orange Bowl.

Dirk Medema 5 years, 10 months ago

It will definitely hurt losing King, but sounds like he was never intending to be here more than 1 yr anyway. He would have been "the man" next year at Maryland, and thought he could just step in and be it from day one here. No sense staying another year here when he could have had even more success at UM without the switch. It would be nice to get a WR boost in this class, but I'm afraid that's unlikely at this point. Not many instant impact WR's left, and virtually no one that is even considering KU.

Beaty has commented on a wide open spread attack, which is all the more need for WR's. It would be really nice if Taylor/1 transfer could workout for us. There are a couple young TE's that are coming, so maybe some of the young players will surprise us.

The JC RB looks like a good pick-up; maybe even better than Mann. Glad to see that he and the other JC's will all be on-campus for Spring ball. That in itself is a major improvement. Wasn't it something like half the Weis JC's that never made it to the field?

Definitely can't expect miracle results in year one. I'd settle for a step-up in recruiting - minor miracle.

Mark Lindrud 5 years, 10 months ago

We knew next year's team was going to be void of depth so it is better for Nigel to go pro so that he can fulfill his dreams and we might as well use that spot to get another young high school player to develop this program. We may as well expect that this year's class needs to be the first building block in creating a bowl team in the near future, and realize that next year's team is going to be what it is. How these guys are coached will be what recruits see so this staff is going to be important as well in addition to the players we bring in. I agree though we need to beef up both lines so that we can be competitive in the trenches.

Doug Cramer 5 years, 10 months ago

Love the fact that we don't have Charlie Weis's influence on kusports.com anymore.

Tom and Matt can write articles that are well grounded and realistic. No more kool-aid to get guys like the Micky Bakers of the world suggesting bowl appearances and Big 12 championships.

Agree with everything this article says. This program is in horrendous shape, and the only way to fix it is to focus on high school studs from Texas, that can play in the trenches.

Thankfully we're on the right track with our new coach.

Knowing that we have the right coach, we can sit back and enjoy watching the progress, like we did back when Mangino was here.

Patience is virtue

Ashwin Rao 5 years, 10 months ago

This is the honeymoon period... (with hope). We will see what next year (or the year after that) brings. :)

Micky Baker 5 years, 10 months ago

What? You called me out after my post earlier? It must really suck for guys who hate me that mention me in posts.

Dirk Medema 5 years, 10 months ago

With the up tick in collegiate football programs across TX (Baylor, TCU, TT, A&M, ... on top of UT), we are going to need more than "focus on high school studs from Texas". Definitely glad that Beaty has a TX HS recruiting strength, but we'll need more than TX leftovers if we are to succeed.

Definitely agree that patience is virtue/needed.

Micky Baker 5 years, 10 months ago

I don't think we're going to end up with leftovers from Texas, ultimately. The first couple of years, Beaty will be able to develop relationships with players who will be juniors this upcoming season, or at least with their coaches. This will probably be most evident in the Dallas/Fort Worth and immediate surrounding areas like Aledo, Terrell, just naming a couple. Aledo has some real good players that aren't really getting attention and they played against one of the national top 25 teams on ESPN from Maryland this past season. There are also some studs from Abilene and Wichita Falls that are often overlooked by UT, Baylor, and TCU. We stole Todd Reesing right from underneath UT's nose also. Reesing went to high school in Austin. There are opportunities to recruit in Texas like South Lake, Keller, all of the Dallas and Fort Worth ISD Schools, and all those other high schools including all the way out in Midland. It is probably also true that a 3-star athlete in Texas would most likely be like a 4-star in Kansas, or much closer to 4-star than a 3-star in Kansas. However, we have to go after the players that will fill the needs that we have. That will be the biggest challenge for a couple of years. I think Beaty will be able to develop the relationships with the right people on top of those he already has.

In the short-term, we might have to settle with guys that will take 2 years to develop but once we start having success, then more doors will open up. If by season 4 or 5 we get to 10 or 11 wins and go 8-1 or 7-2 in conference play then we will be able to win some big recruiting battles in the state of Texas if they see they have a chance to win the Big 12 and/or play in a major bowl game including the possibility of qualifying for the play off.

With that said,the play off needs to be more than 4 teams. It should be at least 8 in my opinion. I would have been interesting to see TCU get a shot at Ohio State for example. TCU destroyed Ole Miss and I think TCU might be the preseason favorite to win the Big 12 next season and will probably start ranked somewhere between number 1 and 3 in the country.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 10 months ago

No, the linemen SHOULD NOT be the Texas kids. In state recruiting of the small town Kansas and Oklahoma farm kids is where Beaty needs to look for his linemen. The emphasis in Texas needs to be the skill position kids that get overlooked locally because they don't have the right measurables. Places that have the dominant offensive and defensive linemen typically get those kids from rural areas that are country strong.

Terry N Tom Denner 5 years, 10 months ago

Lets not short change the kids here in Kansas. Kansas City,Ks / KCMO Metro area has just as much if not more talent than Texas. Lets keep these kids close to home.

Michael Lorraine 5 years, 10 months ago

I disagree with the notion that the lack of talent is keeping us from winning. Watch KU on any given Saturday and you’ll likely see a variety of missed blocks, missed tackles, blown coverage, etc. Given our level of talent we cannot contend for a conference title but we should have been able to win more than one conference game a year during the Gill/Weis era. Regardless of talent, eleven players have to execute on every play. We don’t.

Dirk Medema 5 years, 10 months ago

The article doesn't say that a "lack of talent is keeping us from winning". It says that the bowls illustrate a tremendous talent disparity, and that is absolutely spot on. What you are referring to is more like what Erich mentioned in the first post. KSU executes well, and is able to win because of it. Unfortunately, they also suffer from a talent disparity that keeps them from being elite.

You are right that the talent on hand could have resulted in more W's over the last 5 years. It only takes open eyes though to recognize the talent discrepancy relative to the elite teams.

Doug Cramer 5 years, 10 months ago

Michael - we've had some talent in our skill players. Some good runningbacks...maybe a good tight end...maybe a couple decent receivers.

We've had some decent line-backers and d-backs.

But ultimately, our talent in the trenches was more like FCS level since Mangino left. There's no questioning that.

Michael Lorraine 5 years, 10 months ago

I agree with your talent assessment but we have to look no further than North Dakota State and see that talent, or lack of it can still result in wins. And they ARE an FCS program. Must be the coaching.

Robert Brown 5 years, 10 months ago

As someone who has followed KU football for almost 50 years, I can confidently state that KU has never come close to a period of sustained success like Bill Snyder at KSU has experienced. I would take that in a second. During my time following KU which started with the 1968 Orange Bowl team, we have had three great seasons out of 46-- 1968, 1995, and 2007. They each came as a huge surprise and none of the teams were ranked in the preseason and there was nothing that happened in the previous season that even hinted at a great season.

Each of these teams followed up these great seasons with disappointing seasons. So I can't accept the argument that we were ever moving toward sustained success. Other than these three seasons I mentioned, KU finished the season ranked only two other times.

So, go ahead and diminish Snyder's accomplishments, but most of you would be very happy to have traded KU's success with K-State's success over the last 25 years.

Dirk Medema 5 years, 10 months ago

This is such a mish-mash of logic.

There have been 3 great years of KU football in 50 years.

KSU FB has been better than KU FB for most of the Snyder year.

KSU has been not been great for 25 years. (How many of the Snyder years would you consider great?)

KU has even been better than KSU for parts of the Snyder years.

If you are responding to Erich's post above, you have just as much of a valid point as he does:

You seem to be saying that you would be happy with being KSU/above average.

Erich doesn't want to settle for KSU/above average, and wants to shoot for elite. Shooting for elite requires elite athletes, and the "KSU" model does not include nearly enough elite athletes. There are only 11 on the field at one time, but it certainly takes more than that build an elite program.

Jonathan Allison 5 years, 10 months ago

fair arguments, but I would suggest that the 2006 season did in fact suggest that we were on the verge of something special in 2007.

I remember after the 2006 season when we were 6-6 I believe, we were left on the outside looking in during bowl season. I remember thinking about 4 close losses where we were either leading late or had a chance to win late and came up short each time (A&M - 3 pt loss, Baylor - 1 pt, Toledo 2OT, Nebraska OT). We were about 4 plays from being 10-2 in 2006. The defense was amazing, giving up something like 30 rushing ypg, and Jon Cornish was smashing faces and setting records, while Kerry Meier was playing average QB. The missing piece was Todd Reesing and the spread offense.

Mike Nicco 5 years, 10 months ago

Initially, it would be interesting to know Coach Beatty's recruiting pitch. Is he selling immediate playing time or building for the future? Is he willing to forgo next year's record to redshirt everybody or is he worried about next year's record influencing future recruiting?? We will be lucky to win 2-3 games no matter who plays. The only specifications next year's team should be based on are do they play hard every down, do they play smart (limited penalties and mental mistakes) and do they improve throughout the year. That will prove if we do/not have the correct coaching staff. Based on that, you knew the first year of Mason and Mangino that they were the right hires.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 10 months ago

KU's not going to get better as the year goes on next season because the total lack of depth will wear this team down come November and KU will have a couple of massive blow outs because of that.

Mike Nicco 5 years, 10 months ago

No doubt Aaron. I'm not disputing that will happen. It's before that happens when you can tell if the players are getting better and if the schemes are better. Are the players making fewer mistakes as the season unfolds? Are they in the correct position to make plays before fatigue makes them a step too slow? And when fatigue sets in, are they mentally strong enough to not make mistakes? Are they fundamentally sound. Mangino's first team was 2-10, but you could see improvement almost each game. If you only look at the score and win/loss record, then you're missing the big picture.

Fred Davis 5 years, 10 months ago

So let me get this straight - somehow striving to emulate K-State's success is illogical and that K-State hasn't done anything above average?

These are words really being typed from the keyboards of KU football fans?

Now that's Illogical.

While K-State WRs were dropping TD passes in Bowl Games, KU was looking for its umpteenth head coach in as many years. While Bill Snyder was grabbing 2 & 3 star recruits and coaching them up in a proven system and churning out wins in the process, KU was reshuffling its deck with a bunch of names no one outside of Lawrence knows....

(Oh, and ironically enough, Mangino is a Snyder disciple.)

Anyone who can't give credit to what has happened west of Lawrence for the better part of the last 25 years while KU has been mired as a laughingstock for the majority of that period isn't being honest with themselves.

I don't care what school you're at, it starts with being able to recruit and assistants that know how to coach. Beaty we know can recruit, and the jury is still out on what his as-yet-to-be-completed staff can do. Next year is going to be a struggle, there's no doubt about it, but I think Beaty went in knowing he was going to have some serious work to do right out of the gate.

Yeah, sure, we all want Kansas football to be elite. But let's get back to this place called Earth and see if they can string SIX wins together and become bowl eligible first.

Calvin Miller 5 years, 10 months ago

Fred Davis: One of the few logical posters on this thread. The key is being able to coach. Recruiting will only improve if HS prospects can see improvement in the W/L column and the potential for bowl games. Otherwise the recruiting pool consists of HS athletes with offers mainly from non-power 5 conference teams or FCS schools. I understand that the fanbase wants to be optimistic, but Beaty's first hire was a coach who has been at KU for most of his career and who has subpar results. That, combined with a new OC and new offense, won't win many games.

Robert Brown 5 years, 10 months ago

I think there is a lot of jealousy of K-State's success which some people cannot admit. This is what Snyder's teams have done:

13 teams ranked at the end of the year 14 bowl teams 15 teams that had winning conference records 14 teams with a least nine wins.

People, are saying they wouldn't want a program that has experienced that level of success.

KU may have three. 9+ wins in its history. In the last 50 years, we have ended the season ranked only five times. In the last 20 years, when half of FBS schools go to bowls, we have been to four bowls, two of which were played before Christmas.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 10 months ago

KU's had six 9+ win seasons (1899, 1905, 1908, 1968, 1995, 2007) and has played in 5 bowl games in the last 20 years (1995, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2008).

What's Erich's point is with KSU is that he wants KU to be a program that can win high profile non-conference games. KSU is always a well coached program, but their lack of talent shows up in big games when they play more talented teams that they don't see on an annual basis.

Robert Brown 5 years, 10 months ago

Really? You are going back to 1908? In the relatively modern era, KU has had three 9+ winning seasons and in three of Mangino's bowl seasons, KU did not have a winning conference record.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 10 months ago

Does KU's football history not go back to 1890? If you're only going to refer to modern KU history, then make that distinction in your statement. And what does Mangino having one winning Big 12 record have to do with anything in regards to whatever point you're trying to make by bringing it up. All I did was correct two errors to your version of KU history based on how your presented facts.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 5 years, 10 months ago

When will the university to recognize the football team with a "Late Night in the Fog" event.

The basketball team gets this sort of support and attention.

Calvin Miller 5 years, 10 months ago

Who is going to attend? Memorial is barely half filled for games and season ticket sales have been declining for the past 5 years.

Randy Bombardier 5 years, 10 months ago

Think we are on right track. Although I bemoan the evolution of football to resemble basketball on grass maybe we can take this as part of our identity. ..hey we're a basketball school. Right? As some have mentioned KU has fickle fans. The high flying spread sure to entertain will fill the stadium. We need that. Agree with the notion that we can get kansas kids for the trenches then search far and wide for gunslingers, burners, and guys who can go up for that jump ball. Maybe some kansas track stars that have some football experience. But we must absolutely have size on line, speed on edge, both offensively and defensively.

Bob Bailey 5 years, 10 months ago

The BIG problem is coaching. No QB, no DC. We can't do much better with recruiting, about as good as it gets.

JD Roth 5 years, 10 months ago

That 1998 Kansas State team led by Michael Bishop was elite. They were the best team in the Nation. Kansas State swept both USC and Miami in the 2000's. Kansas State beat the greatest college football team of all time, according to so called experts, in the 2003 Big XII Championship 35-7. I am the Dad of a KU Grad, but don't try to minimize the success of that Football Program in Manhattan because I will shoot you down.

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