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Wednesday, February 25, 2015

Kansas State fan cited for disorderly conduct

Kansas forward Perry Ellis moves to the sideline as fans rush the court following the Jayhawks' 70-63 loss to the Wildcats, Monday, Feb. 23, 2015 at Bramlage Coliseum. At right, a Kansas State fan bumps into Kansas forward Jamari Traylor.

Kansas forward Perry Ellis moves to the sideline as fans rush the court following the Jayhawks' 70-63 loss to the Wildcats, Monday, Feb. 23, 2015 at Bramlage Coliseum. At right, a Kansas State fan bumps into Kansas forward Jamari Traylor.

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The much publicized court-storming contact between a Kansas State fan and Kansas University basketball player Jamari Traylor following the Wildcats’ Big Monday victory in Manhattan has resulted in a citing for disorderly conduct.

According to a release from Kansas State, campus police met with student Nathan Power, who came in voluntarily.

K-State police issued Power with a notice to appear in court for disorderly conduct.

The release stated Power was “cooperative throughout the process,” and the K-State Police Department “considers this matter closed.”

Comments

Bob Dietz 5 years, 8 months ago

A slap on the hands, that is all. If Jamari Traylor had retaliated he would have faced a suspension similar or worse than the 3 game suspension Marcus Smart was slapped with last year. But with KSU's track record of allowing on court "group hugs" I guess I wouldn't have expected the thug to recieve worse.

Bert White 5 years, 8 months ago

Exactly what I was thinking... Hopefully K-State atleast comes out and bans him from the arena the rest of the season.

Vernon Riggs 5 years, 8 months ago

The statement was written by an attorney. K-State is going to let this foolish young man take one for the team.

Michael Lorraine 5 years, 8 months ago

This kid is a bigger hero on campus right now than any member of the basketball team. If the AD doesn't ban him from sporting events I will be disapointed.

Bob Reinsch 5 years, 8 months ago

If Jamari had retaliated, he might be facing manslaughter charges.

Vernon Riggs 5 years, 8 months ago

In my humble opinion, the K-State Athletic Director should be cited as a co-conspirator. His inactions and lack of foresight created an environment of lack of control and indifference. His strategy of hoping that KSU students develop a pride and belief that K-State is 'beneath rushing the court' is foolish and reckless. The excitement of the fans watching their team beat their rivals, the Kansas Jayhawks is understandable. Wildcat fans should be proud of how their team played the game. However, the K-State Athletic Department should have known of the possibility of the fans rushing the floor based on the last game in Manhattan. And, the Athletic Department had a moral and legal responsibility to protect the student athletics and coaching staff on the floor. Players should not go into the stands; fans should not go on to the court. John Currie, the K-State Athletic Director has let this young albeit foolish fan take full responsibility while, the Athletic Director has spent the day being interviewed by local, regional and national media outlets. K-State deserves better leadership than what John Currie provided on Monday night and the days that followed.

John Brown 5 years, 8 months ago

Maybe the Big-12 should ban Court Storming. If an occurrence happens award the opposing team two home games vs. the offender the following year. Loss of revenue can be a big motivator.

David Lara 5 years, 8 months ago

This is a rather brilliant idea. Punishes the fans most of all, which is the point. Can't prove yourself capable of hosting an opponent without resorting to hostility? You don't deserve to host the game the next year. This should be in the discussion should the big 12 decide to ban court storming.

Dirk Medema 5 years, 8 months ago

Interesting alternative until you consider the impact it would have on the other teams in the conference. Would it be fair to ISU and all the other contenders to have 9 home and 9 away games while one team has 10 & 8? Probably wouldn't fly.

Jay Beakum 5 years, 8 months ago

Okay then, just take away ALL their home games. Even Steven. : D

Clara Westphal 5 years, 8 months ago

An item in the news this morning stated that the Big 12 is considering banning court rushing and foul chants. We saw and heard both from K-State.

Vernon Riggs 5 years, 8 months ago

Institute a $25k-$50k fine for court rushing like the SEC and you would see 80 Purple-clad OOD Security Personnel standing arm--in-arm around the court for next year's Kansas game. People do what they get rewarded to do. People also do not do what they punished for doing.

Michael Leiker 5 years, 8 months ago

Keep seeing this suggested...just don't see how the economics would work out to pay security for every game instead of just paying a fine or two a year. Fine would have to be much more substantial to justify hiring security.

Vernon Riggs 5 years, 8 months ago

I would find it doubtful that even K-State would rush the court vs. TCU and vs.. Texas Tech. The games vs. Baylor, vs. OSU, vs. OU, vs. WVU, vs. ISU or vs. Texas in most seasons would still be somewhat unlikely. Honestly they don't have that many meaningful games. However, the games that have a higher profile would have more security. The games that didn't, would have less security. The Kansas games most likely would have the most.

Dirk Medema 5 years, 8 months ago

If the fines were based on an escalating scale for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ... offenses, it would eventually become motivating. If the fines were passed on as a surcharge to ticket holders, it would eventually get their attention, and result in changed behavior.

Michael Lorraine 5 years, 8 months ago

From a legal standpoint I'm satisfied but I think the AD should ban him from sporting events for a year.

Jay Reynolds 5 years, 8 months ago

Ban Nathan Power from sporting events for the rest of his collegiate years at Kansas State. That doesn't hurt anyone and sends a message. Nathan Power/Kansas State is a national twerp of the week outside of Manhattan.

Vernon Riggs 5 years, 8 months ago

Ban John Currie for hiring Barney Fife to be Chief of Security at OOD.

Joe Ross 5 years, 8 months ago

He will plead guilty to a misdemeanor violation of disorderly conduct, a sentence will be imposed but he will enter into a diversion agreement so that there is no consequence. Im satisfied with that. To throw someone in jail over a chicken wing is a pretty petty thing to do. I am much more concerned about the crowd behavior as a whole. What happened was dangerous for fans, media, and players alike. The league does not have a policy, unfortunately; but I would have liked to see them fined $50,000.00.

We have to remember however, that we have rushed our own field in football. I'm now against that too, by the way. At the time I thought it was no big deal, but in the aftermath of what happened I think I've been convinced otherwise. Besides, it's really not a good reflection on us when we tear down our goal posts after beating a lowly Iowa State football team. I could understand it if KState had won the Big 12 or we had won the National Championship, but a fine would still have to be given if there was a rule made.

Erich Hartmann 5 years, 8 months ago

Joe, you are too bright (&well-respected) to fall into the football-field quasi-analogy. First, that may have been the 1st conf. win for many of the upperclassmen players (IowaState), and that was also Bowen's 1st win. But more importantly, the KU fans went for the goalposts, not at Iowa State players.

Its all about intent--> This Nathan Power(puff) kid went FOR Jamari Traylor. HIS INTENT WAS ASSAULT (of the physical variety). Not to mention the verbal variety, heard on natl TV of the F-CK KU chant, nicely helping make all Kansans look bad by association ("Gosh, are people really that bad in Kansas?"). Chanting loud enough to be picked up by natl TV isnt just 10 dudes, its hundreds, if not thousands.

Where's the decorum? What if UNC or Duke fans or coaches were watching? They have a real, storied rivalry. They'd be wondering "so this is what poor KU and Bill Self have to put up with?". What would Jay Bilas (attorney and college bball pundit) think and say about this? Really we gonna push Bill Self physically???

Thanks to the KState people for helping make our state look bad...even in their moment of victory, they find a way to invite ridicule upon themselves.

I hope they partied hard enough to forget the fact their ballclub is still sub-.500, and is not going Dancing. And nobody would ask them to dance anyway, since they also showed that they are the UGLY stepsister.

Vernon Riggs 5 years, 8 months ago

Erich, after the ISU game, I justified the tearing down the goal post too. Now, I am not so sure on those actions. I don't think that we can have it both ways. It is hard to support 'tearing down the goal posts' but condemn 'rushing the court.' I think we need to be consistent. I like to think that our football team will enable us to get more familiar with winning and the goal post will stay put. I think the Golden Rule of Sporting Events might be: Players on the field. Fans in the stands. Again just my thoughts...

Walter Bridges 5 years, 8 months ago

AND he was going after his second target, Perry Ellis, when security pushed him away. He should have been detained by the security and charged w/simple assault.

I don't believe he deserves to have a felony on his record for life but disorderly conduct is a joke.

Erich Hartmann 5 years, 8 months ago

Vernon, I'll respectfully stick to my opinion. Tearing down goalposts is simply not in the same arena as physically targetting an opposing coach (Self), or an opposing player (Jamari). You cannot say 'have it both ways', by simple logic, that the ceremonial pulling of goalposts (that has been happening for decades and at many underdog universities) is the same thing as targetting opposing players and coaches physically!!! Show me if thats been happening for decades at underdog universities? Not. The. Same.

You need to stand by your people, sir. I stand behind Bill Self, Jamari Traylor and the safety of our team. I dont care if they dont like us royalty programs. Its not my problem they suck. Why on earth would you use a watered-down, tangential quasi-analogy to try to justify?? their actions.

Vernon, their actions are center focus. Not ours. Why would or should any Jayhawk try to justify such behavior. Why?

Tom Jones 5 years, 8 months ago

While it's also inherently dangerous for the students to rush the football field (and especially take down the goal posts), it's an apples/oranges comparison with rushing the court and targeting the opposing teams players or pushing their coaches up against the scorer's table.

Joe Ross 5 years, 8 months ago

@Erich and @Tom: I appreciate how the both of you disagree agreeably. It's nice feeling free to have an opposing opinion knowing that the point of debate is not a personal vendetta. The comments are moving in the right direction thanks to guys like you.

With regard to the incident after the KU-KSU game, only one fan that I know of physically targeted one of our players. To the extent that your comments address that kind of behavior I absolutely agree with you. But the danger to our players was not posed by that fan. Indeed, Jamari Traylor had so little fear of him that he did not respond at all, which is not the reaction you would expect from one who feels he is in danger and, as both he and Coach Self will attest to, also has a temper.

No. The danger was caused by a rowdy bunch of fans who did not intend to hurt individual players so far as the evidence suggests. Yet in their exuberance--non-thinking as it was--their misguided celebration was what put our players and coach at risk. In fact, Bruce Weber himself was pinned along with Coach Self, so we can't attribute any intent to harm outside of the specific fan who has been identified. To a certain extent, I can understand the crowd reaction because beating Kansas in basketball means something to a program. Beating Iowa State in football, on the other hand, is not much of an achievement. As you seem to suggest, these situations are not identical. But some of the distinctiveness is not favorable to our own case as in the comparison I've just described.

To conclude, Im not comparing the actions of one fan to the rest of a fan base. Im comparing the fan bases of both schools in rushing the field and court. While it was perhaps a bit safer to rush the field by virtue of the fact that it is a much larger area, to be consistent with any future policy you can't have either taking place. Furthermore, even though a football field is larger, our fans who rush the field dont evenly distribute themselves among all of its area; rather, they tend to congregate around a small number of foci and that can be dangerous for our own fans.

Erich Hartmann 5 years, 8 months ago

I didnt think it possible, but these stupid KStaters actually 1-upped Melvin Weathermax (to 50yr old IowaSt guy who tried to get in Self's face).

Just imagine how many KStaters may see that court storming video and actually approve of the "festivities"? Hundreds. And that's the crux of my beef with alot of their fanbase.

In Wichita, they call us "Snob Hill". Im sure the KStaters have their own phrases. Thank god we are NOT like them, as this entire episode proved. Eventhough this is a small rural state...here's a PERFECT example that we are not all alike.

At this time, I'd like to thank my fellow KU fans & alums for always showing decent decorum and respect in Allen Fieldhouse, as any royalty program would, and should. Hey, if others are too stupid to learn from positive examples, then that's their problem (among a host of other problems, evidently). RCJH

Erich Hartmann 5 years, 8 months ago

Again, regarding this weird goalpost not-an-analogy. Hmm, that KU-IowaSt game was on natl TV also. Hmm, I dont recall a bunch of national organizations, and the BigXII and Jim Rome and everybody else in some big uproar about KU fans pulling out their own goal posts.

That's just a damn weak argument folks. And a real poor attempt at an analogy. Does anyone think for a minute that its the "same" as Bill Self getting physically shoved into a table, or Jamari Traylor getting sucker-elbowed-from-behind? Or how about some 60yr old KU coach (Townsend) that was put in a position to try to physically protect his players?

Explain to me the logic that goalposts are =, or the same as physical assault and specific physical targetting. You cant, because they are not the same.

Justin Kruse 5 years, 8 months ago

It's the same in the sense that it's thousands of fans, the majority of which are students and young kids, rushing into a confined space, even though the football field is much larger. There's the same potential for injury, even though the intentions are opposite. The majority of K-State fans were on the court to celebrate with their team, but it only took a few foolish individuals to get to this point. As a fan, I've always been in favor of rushing the playing field after a big win in either sport. But, it's not too difficult to see the possibility of something going bad, even in a goalpost tearing down tradition. It's also pretty hypocritical to criticize teams for storming their court after beating us when we tore down the goalposts after beating ISU. just my thoughts.

Robert Rauktis 5 years, 8 months ago

Let this kid apologize…in person. On his own. See if the kid has cajones?

Clara Westphal 5 years, 8 months ago

He did not apolgize to Jamari and he did not apologize to Bill Self or KU. He only apologize to the K-State. What a weasel. .

Robert Rauktis 5 years, 8 months ago

Let this kid apologize…in person. On his own. See if the kid has cajones?

Russ McCaig 5 years, 8 months ago

I like the idea of suspending him from KSU sporting events x 1 yr. However, I would like for him to issue a REAL aplogy to Jamari and KU (as an entity) as his stated apology was to the KSU conglomerate only. This kid is in line at Hobby Lobby getting that picture, that he just had blown up to 24"x36", framed for his basement....'trophy'.

Ryan Woods 5 years, 8 months ago

When did KU fans get all high and mighty? This should be about tightening security or coming up with better visiting team exit plans. Why would anyone want to support a ban on court celebrations, where fans can no longer be a part of something special and celebrate with the team? If storming the court is banned the same will be done for football. The KU student section rushed the football field and tore down goal posts after we beat ISU. While we may get older, these scenarios are special for the students. However, maybe all the comments here are only coming from Jayhawk basketball fans and not KU athletics fans. In which case, your opinion shouldn't matter anyway.

Erich Hartmann 5 years, 8 months ago

Ryan, sorry, but you really arent calling out us KU alums who are here simply reacting to KStater's foolish actions, are you? We are not the enemy. If our opinion doesnt matter, then why does yours?

As a WilliamsFund member, and Lifetime Alumni, you need to know, mister, that I have attended every home football game in the last 7 years, rain or shine...In addition to being the 'obligatory' KU basketball fan, and a fan of college basketball in general. Why would you pick on us fellow Jayhawk, when Nathan Power and his comrades are at fault. We 'gifted' them a W, and look how they act. Stay focused on the problem, mister.

Harlan Hobbs 5 years, 8 months ago

Got to side with Joe and Vernon on this one. I didn't like it when we rushed the field after the ISU game. Not a federal offense mind you, but it mostly just showed stupidity for crying out loud. I understood it when we beat Nebraska at home in our Orange Bowl winning year under Mangino because we hadn't beaten them in Lawrence in decades. However, KU and ISU playing for 9th and 10th position in the conference didn't warrant such lack of reality.

As to the legal ramifications for the KSU basketball student who is charged with disorderly conduct, Joe hit the nail on the head, and I too am fine with it.

Right now, I'm just basking in the glow of Baylor's upset of ISU last night.

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