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Monday, February 23, 2015

Wildcats knock off No. 8 Kansas

Kansas guard Kelly Oubre Jr. (12) takes a swipe at a ball held by Kansas State forward Wesley Iwundu (25) during the first half, Monday, Feb. 23, 2015 at Bramlage Coliseum.

Kansas guard Kelly Oubre Jr. (12) takes a swipe at a ball held by Kansas State forward Wesley Iwundu (25) during the first half, Monday, Feb. 23, 2015 at Bramlage Coliseum.

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— The Kansas University men's basketball team lost on the road for the third time in four games, falling 70-63 to Kansas State on Monday night at Bramlage Coliseum.

The Jayhawks (22-6 overall, 11-4 Big 12) got another big time night from Perry Ellis (24 points on 10-of-16 shooting) but could not get much else offensively from anyone other than the junior from Wichita and followed up road losses at Oklahoma State and West Virginia with a loss to their Sunflower State rival to the west.

It marked the second year in a row that Kansas lost at K-State and the third straight road game in which the opposing team's fans stormed the floor following a victory. It also pulled Iowa State (20-6, 10-4) even with KU in the loss column with just a few games remaining in the Big 12 race.  

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Bill Self on the Sunflower Showdown & K-State's court-storming

Kansas University basketball coach Bill Self discusses the Sunflower Showdown & K-State's court-storming following Monday's 70-63 loss in Manhattan.

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Perry Ellis & Kelly Oubre shed light on what went wrong vs. K-State

Perry Ellis & Kelly Oubre shed light on what went wrong vs. K-State.

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K-STATE 70, KANSAS 63

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K-State (14-15, 7-9) got a career-high 20 points from Nigel Johnson and also got double-digit efforts from Nino Williams and Thomas Gipson.

Here’s a quick look back at some of the action:

• The game turned when: K-State responded to KU's 11-2 run to open the second half with a 14-6 run that tied the game at 47 and put both teams in position to scratch and claw for the final 11 minutes.

• Offensive highlight: It came early and, not surprisingly, it again came from Ellis, who continues to look as locked in as any player in the Big 12 right now. This time, however, sophomore guard Wayne Selden Jr. has just as much to do with the highlight as anyone. Just a couple of minutes into the game, with KU running everything through Ellis, Selden caught a pass on the wing in front of K-State's bench and threw a zipped diagonal pass to Ellis standing in the lane on the opposite side of the floor. After slipping past a defender who challenged the pass, Ellis cocked the ball behind his head with two hands and hammered it to give KU a 5-2 lead. Ellis went on to finish the half with 15 points.

• Defensive highlight: There weren't many. KU routinely struggled to keep the KSU guards in front of them and gave up too many points at the rim.

• Key stat: The Wildcats out-shot KU 47 percent to 39 percent on a night when Kansas missed far too many shots at or near the rim, including 10 in the first half alone. KU finished 22-for-56 from the floor, and outside of Perry Ellis' 10-for-16 shooting performance, went just 12-for-40.

• Up next: The Jayhawks return home Saturday for another showdown with Texas at 4 p.m. at Allen Fieldhouse. KU played one of its best games of the season in topping Texas 75-62 Jan. 24 in Austin, Texas.

— See what people were saying about the loss during the KUsports.com live blog.


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By the Numbers: Kansas State beats KU, 70-63

By the Numbers: Kansas State beats KU, 70-63

Comments

Cody Riedy 5 years ago

Team shot 22/56 or 39% from the field tonight. Take out Perry's numbers and the team was 12/40; 30% Take out Perry and Kelly and the team was 7/27; 26%. Or put one more way; Perry and Kelly made 15 out of our 22 made shots; 68% of FGM. And Kelly was only 5/13.

Tyler Capone 5 years ago

I haven't seen much improvement from this team. Kansas State was 13-15...I understand its a big rivalry but we have owned them and to lose to one of the worst K State teams in awhile is embarrassing. The fact that Cliff Alexander even has a scholarship is laughable at this point, and he was the #2 recruit in the nation? Besides Perry, Frank(sometimes) and Oubre(sometimes) this team is just not THAT good plain and simple.

Suzi Marshall 5 years ago

Alexander made it clear that his freshman season is a major bust. I hope I'm wrong but it does not look like he will develop into much of a player thanks to his slow feet, lack of a shot, inconsistent effort and low BBall IQ. We really need to sign atleast one quality big ... like Diallo or Maker or Zimmerman.

Tonight's loss, coupled with the WVa loss, makes it feel like the season is over. I feel like the emperor is naked and has been exposed.

Gregor Southard 5 years ago

I have been one of the few here the last two years who has not "freaked out" when KU lost a game. However, this team has no killer instinct and will be lucky to make it past the first weekend of the Dance. That being said, if everyone returns, which they should, then next year can be really special.

Brian Wilson 5 years ago

Well, I don't think Bill has exactly exposed himself. But I will say it amazes me when you hear on TV this past week what an exceptional job he has done with the youngest team in college hoops. Further props on Mason. He has looked better this year than last, but neither he or Graham are up to task. We sure could have used CF this year, which may be Self's fault since he sometimes suffers from that coaches disease that values athleticism over talent and results.

Cody Riedy 5 years ago

I'm guessing Self saw the results on the court in the practice gym and saw that Mason and Graham were better than CF. I'm guessing CF saw that too, which is why his daddy tried to make demands (or to put more euphemistically, "asked for assurances") and CF quit.

Brian Wilson 5 years ago

I agree with you about the whining. It remains to be seen about the so called results on the court. We shall see. But the reality is the recruiting. We put our eggs in the Myles basket and got burnt with a porr backup plan that overloaded ourselves at the 3 spot.

Aaron Paisley 5 years ago

We're getting the same thing out of Brannen Greene this year the people were hoping to get out of Connor, and Brannen is 7 inches taller.

Cody Riedy 5 years ago

@ Jaston - Dumb is the petulant, hyperbolic, hysterical, hyper-ventilating crap you just posted. If you have to remind yourself not to let this team of mostly teenage basketball players not ruin your life when they play poorly, I'm guessing you don't have much of a life to begin with.

Jaston Archie 5 years ago

"You don't have much of a life..." That has to be the most laughably arrogant remark I have ever heard. First of all, I was obviously reacting in the heat of the moment and this somewhat predictable outcome will not ruin my life in a literal sense. Secondly, you seem to suffer from self aggrandizement (which of course really covers up festering insecurity) , thinking that you are of a superior species that looks spitefully upon any person who would dare get emotionally invested in such a futile thing as sports. I mean who would do such a thing? Who, if they had a life worth living, would watch a group of teenagers play a sport and get emotionally involved, and God forbid they would even go on a message board to post a comment after the game. I'm sure you would never do such a pathetic thing like that would you Cody? Oh wait. Get off your high horse and face up to your issues and stop deflecting your crap on others

Cody Riedy 5 years ago

Arrogant? "deflecting your crap"? Your psychoanalysis is about as insightful and accurate as your commentary on the team. In fact, your reaction to my post was as hysterical as your reacton to the game and that you went off and exploded with a personal attack about my so call ed arrogance is actually a pretty classical example of the things you excused me of: i.e. inferiority complex resulting in projecting your own psychological make up onto others. You came on here and blasted the players and the coach in about as severe terms as you can without getting your post removed, as if they had personally failed YOU. I didn't criticize you for being emotional I criticized your post for being over the top or in other words exactly what I said in the first place: petulant, hysterical, hyperbolic, and hyper-ventilating. It's not about me, my problem is the condescending, self-righteous attitude fans take toward the team when they lose. You can be emotional, and you can be critical of the team, but offer a critique not baseless insults.

Jaston Archie 5 years ago

"It's not about me, my problem is (them)." That statement should put up red flags for anyone who reads it. When we can all say "it's not them, it's me" then we all can live a life worth living.

Erich Hartmann 5 years ago

CF had a problem with partying, and was booted off the team. Notice that not barely in Wichita 1 month, and that "problem" surfaced again. Self didnt publicize it, but CF blew his clean-slate chance with what he did in January. Now he has legal issues. You think Gregg Marshall will put up with that shiz?

Also, CF was last season's worst 3pt shooter (25%) for the season. What exactly has he shown in Div.1? Nuthin.

CF's childhood dream of playing for KU was simply felled by his own misdeeds. No one to blame but himself.

But why lament a departed non-contributor. He couldnt even beat out the talent on KU's roster, yet somehow "wants to play in the NBA" according to his dad's quote. The only reason he may sniff the court at WSU is that Tekele Cotton graduates, but then Rian Holland may have something to say about that. CF is NOT going to beat out Ron Baker, nor Fred Van Vleet.

Reggie Flenory 5 years ago

Ok let's alll take a deep breath and go to our happy place my happy place is back in my dorm in Atlanta Georgia the year when Mario Chalmers hoisted up that 3 point shot to send the game into overtime and we won the national championship.

now instead of being incredibly negative about this game and about this team I want to try something different on this message board I want to start off by naming three things that I am thankful for with this Kansas basketball team

  1. Perry Ellis consistency, productivity and leadership
  2. Kelly Oubres effort and willingNess to drive the ball to the rim to get buckets and draw fouls (such a novelty concept isn't it?)

  3. Devante Graham play on both ends of the floor

P.S. I MISS JOEL EMBIID AND ANDREW WIGGINS

Brian Wilson 5 years ago

IMO, this has nothing to do with coaching, but has tons to do with recruiting and player retention. We will continue to struggle as long as Ellis is playing the 4. It's not Perry's fault as he is not a Power Forward. But he also should not have been recruited to play the position. Ellis will have to play the 3 spot in the NBA and right now he is not good enough to make the NBA at that position. So, in the grand scheme of things Perry shouldn't really be starting. But we have no choice. Right now we only have two, maybe four pros. Alexander at the 4 and Oubre at the 3 and possibly Greene and Svi. Selden will have to play the point in the NBA for which at this time he does not have the skills to be successful. So, we have no starting center, Alexander is not yet a starting Power Forward and we have no point guard. Hunter and Jamari and Lucas are situational. Mason and Graham should be coming off the bench. Im not sure what is happening with Svi!

Reggie Flenory 5 years ago

Mason and Graham are fine our back,court is fine I agree though our front court is horrible cliff can't guard a rail Lucas is a back up Ellis is outra position

Tom Jones 5 years ago

Perry's actually a damn fine college four, Brian, and will likely never play in the NBA.

"shouldn't be starting"? That's funny...he's either first or second team all conference, and he deserves it. Pretty much any college team would love to have Ellis starting for them.

You're right, we have no center, but that's not exactly a news flash.

Aaron Paisley 5 years ago

MAKE YOUR DAMN BUNNIES!!! It really is that simple with this team. That and this team can't defend a cardboard cutout this year.

Justin Daniel 5 years ago

I think this team will unfortunately have a similar ending as that 04-05 team mentioned above, a 1st round loss in the NCAA tournament. I'm also not as optimistic as most when it comes to our chances next year. Besides Mason, none of the sophomores have made a significant improvement from last year. I am not convinced one more year will make them any better. That being said a "down" year for KU is still better than most years for other schools.

Justin Kruse 5 years ago

Two of the many things that really bothered me tonight... 1. Oubre sticking out his foot for the trip in the first half 2. Oubre's flagrant 1 after rebounding the ball under K-State's basket. That was totally unnecessary, a turning point in the game, and unfortunately reminded me of the Morris twins.

John Pritchett 5 years ago

You know you're watching a K-State game when ESPN runs a farmersonly.com commercial.

Tyson Ailshie 5 years ago

You know you're watching a K-State game when the fans storm the court like they haven't won a game in 10 years and then melee coaches and players.

Brad Farha 5 years ago

Really hate the K-State fan who ran right at Jamari Traylor and threw a shoulder into him on the court. Pretty stupid and cowardly. Could have gotten ugly. I know I'm posting this a lot, but I'm ticked about that.

Proud of Jamari for not retaliating.

Justin Kruse 5 years ago

That really bothered me too. It's one thing to rush the court and celebrate, but they sprinted onto the floor right at the buzzer almost looking for something to happen. Can't even imagine all of the things that were said to our players.

Don Burgundy 5 years ago

Can't blame it on lack of effort. We just simply aren't that good of a team.

Carolyn Hunzicker 5 years ago

Selfs game plan in the paint took our shooters out of the game. Good defense wins road games.......

Worst of all Bad attitude ...it shows Kansas never guards in your face on three point shooters...They did Seldon. what is your problem??????

Kristen Downing 5 years ago

They are saying on Bleacher report Self was almost trampled. True?!

Brad Farha 5 years ago

@Kristen - partly true. He was pushed up against the scorers table when he was shaking hands with Weber.

Erich Hartmann 5 years ago

KStaters fanbase ABSOLUTELY does not disappoint, proving yet again that they are NO better than IowaState's idiot fans. Its like knowing what that cow dropping will smell like before you even see it...and yep, confirmed every time.

So some KState purple pussies can brag: "Ya, man, I shoulder bumped Jamari Traylor!" or another could say: "Ya, man, I shoved Bill Self into a table!".

(Laughter)...and Aggieville parties hard in support of their SUB-.500 ball club's rare win...

Tyler Capone 5 years ago

im tired of us signing 6'8" power forwards and centers we need length. No not Landen Lucas length, Embiid length, Aldrich length. I feel like everytime I watch us play we get 0 blocks and we let the other team get a bunch of offensive rebounds.

Erich Hartmann 5 years ago

Then why is a guy like 6'7 Georges Niang of ISU so consistent and good? Did KState have a dominant guy that was taller than 6'9 in this game, or even on their roster?

Length is not the reason we lost to KSU, a sub-.500 team.

Tyson Ailshie 5 years ago

Cliff Alexander is NOT ready for prime time.

Erich Hartmann 5 years ago

Consider the decorum and mutual respect that exists between Duke and UNC, or if either of those teams plays KU...now contrast the behavior by KState people. Just begging for insults, while proving their absolutely massive inferiority complex.

Aaron Paisley 5 years ago

''I wasn't nervous for me, but there were several students that hit our players - not saying with fists, but you storm the court, you run in, you bump people,'' said Self, whose team watched the Wildcats storm the court against them last year, too.

''Somebody is going to hit a player, the player is going to retaliate, you're going to have lawsuits - it's not right,'' Self said. ''At least (celebrate) around center court.''

Bill Self's comments after the game about KSU's students basically being dumba**es after the game running inot KU's players intentionally.

AND

https://vine.co/v/OQP9LpziABU (Video of Bill Self getting forced against the scorer's table)

KSU, keeping it classy since never.

John Strayer 5 years ago

Bill Self is right...the Big XII Conference is going to have to do something about these court stormings. At some point someone is going to get seriously hurt. It doesn't have to be necessarily a player. Heck last night, the officials got caught in the middle of the storm. Saw one get "bumped" into by several KSU fans on the court.

As yes...for the record, I'm ashamed of the goal post "storming" that occasionally occurs at KU too. Why is it OK for a mob of people to get involved in trespassing and property damage just because of a sporting event victory. Just leave the stadium/arena and go find a party somewhere to celebrate. Worked for me 30 years ago.

Cody Riedy 5 years ago

For all the various troubles this team has displayed, this team could be dramatically better if we just had the equivalent of any of the near 7' bigs we've had over the past few years. Put T-Rob, Withey, Embiid, Aldrich...any of those guys on this team and I think they'd have a much higher ceiling. Obviously the guys I named were great players, but the fit they would have provided would have made a lot of other things click as well. With no recruit matching that description in next year's class; we could have the same problems next year. Obviously we need a rim protector, we need a back to the basket scorer, we need more rebounding, all of which the above examples provided. But a big like that can also create opportunity for a small forward like Ellis and can even create lanes for drivers like Mason by seeling off defenders and of course can be the alley-oop outlet.

Brian Wilson 5 years ago

Not true! We have several potential recruits that could choose KU for next year. Centers: 7'0 Stephen Zimmerman, & Thon Maker. and 6'11" PF Ivan Rabb (least likely but maybe) There are also a couple of players that are 3rd tier that we could go grab in a pinch including a few international players.

Tyler Capone 5 years ago

Length is a huge issue for this team Erich. This game was just a disaster but i'm talking about the whole season.

Nathan Varvis 5 years ago

@ Reggie--I would agree with ellis' leadership, but not necessarily his overall consistency for the year. the last week or so he has started to play like a man (or perhaps nicely, closer to his ceiling). That said, It does feel like doom and gloom, and though this is clearly NOT one of KU's more talented teams, there are some good things to take away even in losses.

PS: I was worried about how future big man development was going to be when Danny Manning left...my fears (so far) have come to fruition

Brian Wilson 5 years ago

And, although not 7 footers, Carl Swanigan at 6'9 and 280lbs could add some beef to the lineup. And 230lb 6'9" Chuck Diallo would be great behind Alexander. Alexander of course needs to do some running and get some foot speed for next year or he may odd man out. But both of these guys could possibly grow an inch or two before their Freshman years.

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