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West Virginia defeats Kansas, 62-61

  • 8 p.m., Feb. 16, 2015
  • WVU Coliseum, Morgantown, WV

Monday, February 16, 2015

Buzzer-beaten: Perry Ellis, Jayhawks take last-second loss hard

Kansas guard Frank Mason III (0), Perry Ellis (34) and Landen Lucas, background right, walk off the court as West Virginia fans storm the court after defeating the Jayhawks 62-61 Monday, February 16, 2105  in Morgantown, W.V.

Kansas guard Frank Mason III (0), Perry Ellis (34) and Landen Lucas, background right, walk off the court as West Virginia fans storm the court after defeating the Jayhawks 62-61 Monday, February 16, 2105 in Morgantown, W.V.

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— Perry Ellis’ eyes were moist as he met the media after missing a short shot at the buzzer in Kansas University’s 62-61 loss to West Virginia on Monday night at WVU Coliseum.

“Definitely, man,” the junior forward said, asked if he took the setback personally. “I feel like I could have made that shot, but it didn’t happen, so I’ve just got to turn it around.”

Ellis, who scored 19 points and grabbed five rebounds, accepted a long baseball pass from inbounds man Jamari Traylor, who took the ball out after Juwan Staten hit what turned out to be a game-winning layup with 3.9 seconds to play. 

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WEST VIRGINIA 62, KANSAS 61

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Ellis caught the ball in stride, but misfired on the potential game-winning try.

“Jamari threw a good pass. I just missed it, man,” Ellis said. “Maybe I rushed it a little bit. I should have made that. Unfortunately, I didn’t.”

Of course, the Jayhawks weren’t blaming Ellis, who came up big with 15 second-half points.

“It’s the same thing you’d see from anybody. He had his head down. We told him he’s good,” said freshman Devonté Graham. “It’s tough. He had a layup and missed it for the game. Anybody would be devastated in a situation like that, but he’ll be good.”

Coach Bill Self liked the way KU put itself in position to win after Staten went coast to coast for his late layup.

“The end of the game was perfect. Jamari made the best pass of the year, Perry catches it right in stride and has an uncontested layup. Basically we just miss the layup,” Self said.

“I told our guys (during time out at 8.3 seconds, KU up, 61-60) if anything bad happens and they score, we have no time outs left. The nearest guy get it and throw it long and the nearest guy go run (with ball). It worked out perfect,” Self added.

“I’m not upset because we missed the shot,” the coach continued. “I’m upset because we let Juwan get behind us when that was our whole game plan, keep the ball in front of us. That’s on me. 

“He (Ellis) will get over it. Guys make shots, miss shots all the time. He can’t let that bother him. But I am anxious to see how wide open he was. He may have been surprised how wide open he was there late.”

The Jayhawks feel they lost this one when Staten accepted an inbounds pass in the backcourt from Gary Browne on the wing. He picked up a head of steam and hit the layup that beat KU with 3.9 to play.

“I think it was a bad play on me and my teammates. We didn’t keep him in front of us. That was the whole main point, make him catch it in front of us and being strong help,” guard Frank Mason III said after scoring 18 points and dishing two assists.

Noted Self: “He (Staten, 20 points) made a nice play but we couldn’t defend it worse. In a situation like that you’ve got to keep the ball in front of you. It’s my fault. I told Jamari to try to deny him with Frank. He got behind Jamari and behind Frank. We were going to switch everything. You’ve got to keep the ball in front of you. We did a crap job of that. He made a good play but certainly we couldn’t have defended it any worse.”

KU, which trailed, 19-8, at 9:41, lagged by just three at halftime, 33-30. The Jayhawks had nine turnovers against the WVU press, while forcing seven Mountaineer turnovers. KU finished with 14 turnovers to the Mountaineers’ 11.

Staten hit four of 10 shots and scored nine points in 17 minutes the first half. He finished with 20 points in 32 minutes. Mason and Kelly Oubre Jr. had eight apiece for KU in the half. KU hit one of four threes to WVU’s four of 11 in the first half; the Jayhawks made six of 11 to WVU’s eight of 21 for the game. KU led by as many as seven in the second half.

“It’s a tough place to play and they are a great team,” Ellis said.

KU dropped to 21-5 overall and 10-3 in the Big 12; West Virginia improved to 20-6, 8-5. KU will next meet TCU at 3 p.m. Saturday in Allen.


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Comments

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 4 months ago

Apparently nobody told Selden, Graham and Alexander we had a game tonight. I don't get alot about this team. Why so many key players can give such inconsistent efforts? How can Selden play such a terrible game when he's been on such a great run? Will Alexander ever put out the effort to be a player? It seems like Self has tried everything possible to get Alexander going.

From time to time, I want to go out on the court and slap Ellis when he gives those hang-dog looks. Although Mason made several critical mistakes late and Ellis missed the decisive play, I wish the entire team can give the effort these two are giving ... game after game.

Reggie Flenory 5 years, 4 months ago

MAN IM SAYING!!!!!! you would think that these guys understand that every game they play the other team wants to knock the crap out of them we come out of the locker room to calm to passive there's no fight in this team there's no Thomas Robinson in this locker room I get so sick of seeing this team come out so laxidasical and play teams there a're well under our talent level giving them confidence giving their crowd something to cheer for we need to come out and snatch their throats out of their neck from Jump Street now people in West Virginia really think they can really hang with us

Tyson Ailshie 5 years, 4 months ago

WVU has absolute no business beating this team. And that's what has me so steaming mad about this loss. We just gift wrapped the win for them.

Reggie Flenory 5 years, 4 months ago

Right!!!!!!!!!! It's like are you serious????????? Can't drop games like this period we need to have the mentality that we are going to come out and throw haymakers for 40 minutes we're not going to let you breathe whe're not gonna let you blink we're going knock the taste out your mouth and dare you to get up

Allin Herring 5 years, 4 months ago

Yes WV had a lot of business beating us! I was worried about this game all year. The full court in your face defense is what I was worried about as every team this year who has pressured us tore us a new one because this is just a weak team! They can not rebound, play defense, no post presence, and can not shoot inside and can not focus for more than two trips down the court, Only real positive is they can shoot 3's. They are the worst team we have had in 25 years. We are lucky we are in 1st in the Big 12 because everyone else has beaten each other but our lead may not hold up with one more WV game and a road game at OU! Enough of our one and done Cliff Alexander! If he can not take the defensive pressure this late in his freshman year then Cliff you better start studying guy cause your NOT a OAD!!! Not even close!

Tom Jones 5 years, 4 months ago

We definitely blew several chances to win it, but there's no shame in losing in Morgantown this year. They were desperate. It was one point.

It happens.

Jory Collins 5 years, 4 months ago

I'm guessing it's because they're 18-19 years old. Consistency isn't part of their profile yet.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 4 months ago

Age may be an excuse for inconsistent performance but is not an excuse for lack of effort.

Allin Herring 5 years, 4 months ago

So if this guys are OAD's when do propose they find this consistency?

Jory Collins 5 years, 4 months ago

What does 1 and done have to do with consistency? All early NBA guys are picked on potential. Go through the draft and look at impact rookies, hard to find one on a good team.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 4 months ago

You get my vote for the worst comments on this article. First you say this is the worst team KU's had in 25 years and now you think OAD and consistency go hand in hand. Don't forget that Andrew Wiggins was as inconsistent as anyone and he was not only OAD, he was also the first pick (NBA much not agree with your assessment) and he's going to be rookie of the year. He's also improved his stats every single month he's been in the NBA. So in other words, OAD's can certainly be inconsistent and the NBA will still pick them first and they can still be successful in the NBA.

Walter Bridges 5 years, 4 months ago

The only one and done player played outstanding all game Allin..

Al Balderas 5 years, 4 months ago

Someone also forgot to tell Perry Ellis that the game actually starts at the beginning of the first half. The Jayhawks wouldn't have needed his last-second layup had he decided to score more than five points in the first half. Ellis is about as inconsistent as they come. He only shows up on time when the team is playing the TCUs of the conference.

Walter Bridges 5 years, 4 months ago

Greene has gone MIA also the last two games..

Tyson Ailshie 5 years, 4 months ago

Frank Mason has just been beaten like a drum by the opposing team point guard for the last two games now. Chery now Staten. He just cannot stay in front of his man and it cost us a game winning drive to the hoop.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 4 months ago

Oubre should have dropped down off the shoulder to support. Most elite PGs will make that play when give that much room to operate.

Sam Constance 5 years, 4 months ago

"Most elite PGs will make that play when given that much room to operate and four steps without dribbling"

Agreed.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 4 months ago

Perry Ellis should not have abandoned his post to cover a sub 20% 3 point shooter. At worst, make Staten hit FT's and at best alter the shot enough to make Staten miss that lay up.

Ted Adams 5 years, 4 months ago

To his credit, he has had to deal with more moving screens than any one person should the past two games. He should be allowed to wear full body armor with the way he gets tripped, knees thrown out at him, hip checked, and shoulder jolted as he tries to defend.

Andy Hess 5 years, 4 months ago

THANK YOU! How is it that ZERO officials see this?

Walter Bridges 5 years, 4 months ago

The refs might as well stayed home..their performance was all-around pitiful.

Steve Zimmerman 5 years, 4 months ago

Refs had let WVU played aggressively, but those fouls they called on KU plays were just bs. I'm proud we battled enough to lose only by 1! We still have a chance to crush them here in AFH. Ellis will learn from his mistakes, hopefully. I'm more frustrated with freakin Selden.. he just has to stop flopping and start dunking or finishing the basket STRONG!! Isn't he the strongest in the team?

Tyson Ailshie 5 years, 4 months ago

Agree. The most frustrating thing about Selden is he has shown, plenty of times, the ability to play above the rim and hit open shots consistently. We really needed him to show up today and he didn't. He, like Wiggins did, needs to work on ball handling.

Steve Zimmerman 5 years, 4 months ago

Well, Wiggins at least is a much more consistent shooter. But boooy, Selden was on the floor for 28 f minutes only attempted 5 shots, 3 TOs. Ok, with team's best assist (3, cough). Clearly, in this game, Ellis, Oubre & Frank 'Brick' Mason have got to be our best 1st option. They earn the rights to stay for at least 30 minutes each game!

Tom Jones 5 years, 4 months ago

Brick?

Frank's our second best shooting % guard, second among rotation players in FT shooting and second in 3pt shooting %.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 4 months ago

Don't provide stats to these people, they already "know" based on their own mind's altered reality...no amount of stats will fix that!

Sam Constance 5 years, 4 months ago

Aside from the awful and inexplicably missed shot clock violation in the second half that turned out to be the difference in the game, this was what frustrated me the most.

If you are going to allow one team (WVU) to reach in, drape themselves all over offensive players and make lots of contact with ballhandlers--something that I thought was made a point of emphasis to put an end to last year--then you need to allow the other team similar defensive freedom. It's almost like the refs had it in their mind that "well, this is how WVU plays and they are experienced at it, so when they reach in, they probably aren't actually committing a foul, but KU doesn't usually play this way, so they are probably fouling on those reach ins".

It's not often you see a team that got so may looks in the paint only attempt 11 free throws. Especially against a team that is so aggressive defensively.

Dave Miller 5 years, 4 months ago

I was surprised by the low number of whistles this game. And, as you stated, especially against a team that is so aggressive on defense. And the same number of whistles for each team? How often does that happen?

It's like the officials decided that once a certain number was reached, they put a cap on the whistles. I just don't "get" officiating this year. It's either blow the whistles all night long and disrupt the flow of the game or forget they even have whistles. Sheesh...

Reggie Flenory 5 years, 4 months ago

We are under sized and to make it worse we don't come to every game ready to fight we walk out like its a game of hop scotch we play flat, we can't get our best big man on the floor in cliff Alexander because he is too slow to guard stretch fours he is not strong enough to guard true power forwards and he's not tall enough to guard length he has no position Kansas may end up winning the big 12 but we will only go as far as our front court takes us

Jerry Walker 5 years, 4 months ago

"he is too slow to guard stretch fours he is not strong enough to guard true power forwards and he's not tall enough to guard length" - Reggie

Sad man...but true. The only way he overcomes any of that is with extreme effort. And that's something he hasn't bought into. He'll be a difference maker if the light comes on and stays on.

Allin Herring 5 years, 4 months ago

Yea by his Senior year!! And to think this guy was suppose to be a OAD??

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 4 months ago

Bunnies, learn how to make them. How many points have Selden and Ellis specifically left on the court because they can't make shots inside of 2'.

We can talk about the blown defense on Staten and several other issues being why KU lost tonight, facto of the matter is Perry Ellis had a lay up to win the game and did what he does way too frequently and botched a freaking bunny. How many and one's has KU missed out on because they can't finish through weak contact? I'd bet KU has left a couple hundred points on the floor this season because they can't make bunnies or finish through contact. This team is soft and all about finesse.

Mike Riches 5 years, 4 months ago

I'm with you 100%. Especially on finishing through contact. Selden had one play where he got hit, then had a wide open layup, and missed it. Then he went 1-1 on the free throws. That was 1 point that should have been 3...

Sam Constance 5 years, 4 months ago

Pinning this loss on Ellis is startlingly tone deaf. Making a layup after catching a full-court pass while running full speed with three seconds on the clock isn't exactly a "bunny".

But... that's what a lot of KU fans apparently like to do to the players of their team.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 4 months ago

You know else Ellis did that impacted the outcome? He was more concerned with guarding a sub 20% 3 point shooter than protecting the paint. Mason got beat off the dribble by the one of the best players in the country, Ellis did not stay home to protect the rim and gave Staten an uncontested lay up.

Also, if the missed lay up by Ellis wasn't a common occurance, then fine, I'd lay off, but how many times has Ellis missed a bunny or had his shot blocked this season because he doesn't go to rim with any strength or authority.

RJ King 5 years, 4 months ago

I could not agree more with your last paragraph. If your kicker misses the extra point to win a big game, it's heart breaking - but you can look back on all the other plays in the game and not blame the one guy.

If your kicker misses chip shots all season long, then it's not a fluke.

Walter Bridges 5 years, 4 months ago

You're right of course BUT missing that shot at the end of the game wipes out all he did well. It shouldn't, it's not fair esp. w/so many other blown opportunities but that's what this game will be remembered for.

Allin Herring 5 years, 4 months ago

OH how true how true! They play like bunnies and miss bunnies!

John Randall 5 years, 4 months ago

For Christ's sake, Perry, DUNK THE DAMN BALL !

IF some little $#!t cuts in front, RUN HIM DOWN ! It has to be a blocking foul if he's running across your path to the basket.

This isn't something to figure out on the spot. the aggressive play is GO TO THE HOOP. No time for flinching, messing up footwork – time after time we have to watch this on what should be straight-forward dunks and layups.

By the way, you did give great effort on D and the usual finesse on offense. Just a hell of a way to end it.

Sam Constance 5 years, 4 months ago

And yet, KU players were called for charges on at least two different occasions where the WVU player didn't have position in front of the direction the KU player was progressing, but fell down after sliding under to generate contact.

Also, to you and everyone else who is saying dunk the ball, a dunk takes more time on the game clock than a layup. He knows he has only three seconds. The only thing more frustrating than missing a layup is probably making a dunk but having it waved off because it is still technically in your hand when the buzzer sounds.

Walter Bridges 5 years, 4 months ago

He had nearly the same time Staten had to drive the length of the court..4.4 - 3.9. If that isn't enough time to dunk the ball from 2 feet away then he shouldn't be out there.

And the shot clock doesn't start until Perry caught the ball.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 4 months ago

You might want to watch the replay before saying he should "dunk the ball from 2 feet away". His two steps to the basket were finished and he had to jump while he was still on the big 12 emblem that's below the free throw line. It was closer to 12 feet than 2 feet.

Benz Junque 5 years, 4 months ago

Sad to see the up and down level of aggressiveness out there for KU. The KU team that won @Texas and vs. ISU can beat any team in the nation. Sadly, those are the only two games this year where we have seen a consistent level of execution and defensive intensity.

That said, KU was completely jobbed out there last night. The basket made by West Virginia after an obvious expiration of the shot clock was bad and the fact that the referees did not call Staten for taking four steps from the three point line to the rim was an unacceptable mistake that clearly changed the outcome of the game. After the Big 12 conference overstepped their boundaries and issued a public statement of apology to ISU for the whole EJ charge no-call, I wonder if they'll do the same for Kansas? Maybe the refs can split Huggy Bear's $25,000 bonus for beating Kansas. No team in Big 12 play has gone to the line less than 22 times against West Virginia this year. KU shot just ELEVEN free throws.

Allin Herring 5 years, 4 months ago

Can beat any team in the nation?? Not sure we can come close to Kentucky? I was at that game and it was the worst beat down of a KU team I have ever seen! The only thing this team has improved on since that game is their 3pt shooting!

Shane Johnston 5 years, 4 months ago

I agree about the two calls you mentioned, but I don't have a problem with shooting 11 free throws. The more aggressive team should get the benefit of the doubt with foul calls. The game is more fun to watch that way than one where each team shoots 30+ from the foul line.

More important than the turnovers was the fact that their pressure sped us up in the half court. Too many rushed shots in the first half. Offensively, it often looked like were were content to play keep away in the half court without going towards the basket. Very poor organization. We can't continue to shorten the game by half by playing no more than 20 minutes of good basketball on a regular basis.

I'm not saying we played 20 minutes of good basketball in this one. The offensive rebounding was poor throughout. The two possessions where we gave up four (?) a piece were absolutely demoralizing.

Jerry Collins 5 years, 4 months ago

Hey folks, calm down. I see a lot of 180 degree comments from those posted in the last few days. I realize this loss hurts but we're still leading the conference with 5 games to go with a team that some picked to finish 3rd or 4th. I respect Suzi as one of the most knowledgeable contributors to these stories day in and day out but I was disappointed in her comment to another story. I hope it was just frustration for her to say, "This is my least favorite team in 30+ years". I hope this team changes her thoughts on this before the year is out. I still enjoy her mostly spot on posts. We will beat WVU by 15+ at AFH. One last thing, don't hang your head Perry Ellis, you played a great overall game

Jonathan Allison 5 years, 4 months ago

I'm surprised by all of the negativity. I'm frustrated by the loss, too, but I thought that KU played really well for most of the game.

We showed toughness and resiliency in coming back from a horrible start and embarassing their press for all by 5 minutes of the first half.

Ellis and Mason played great games. Oubre played a great game.

Mason had some critical errors late like the TO under the basket, but I don't fault him for Staten's last basket. Traylor missed on the switch and got behind Staten.

Ellis forgot that he had 4 seconds on the last chance shot. He could have gathered himself and sealed the W. Selden got fouled on the rebound.

The officiating was bad, but it was mostly even, however WVU had a made basket on a putback with about 7 minutes left that I can't believe didn't get waived off for a shot clock violation. They never even showed a replay, but I thought the ball was clearly still in his hands when the horn sounded.

JD Roth 5 years, 4 months ago

It's KU fans, negativity, least favorite team, all that BS comes with the territory. West Virginia got tired due to KU eventually handling the press. The follow shot spoken about by West Virginia was a shot clock violation, also the fact KU was sped up a few times cost them. You put forth great effort Perry, next time remember the clock does not start until the ball touches your hand, then go ahead and slam down a game winning break away dunk. Relax KU fans, damn! Iowa State loses at Oklahoma State on Wednesday at a crazed Gallagher-Iba Area 'Dedicated 1938' and the lead is 2 with 5 to go. Chill out....

Sam Constance 5 years, 4 months ago

You thought correctly:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-BEiH_CQAA8NYI.jpg (still image of the shot clock violation shot. It's so obvious that it's inexcusable that the refs missed it in real-time).

Interestingly enough, the ref who missed it is the same one who came charging down the sideline to overturn an out-of-bounds call that the baseline official called out on WVU. Also the same official that came charging in to call a little hand-check foul on Mason late in the game that resulted in a turnover for KU. Also the same official that had the best angle for Staten's 4 steps to the basket.

The entire crew was bad, but that dipsh*t single-handedly cost this game.

Walter Bridges 5 years, 4 months ago

Thanks for posting that Sam... I missed it completely. Does that qualify me for being a BIG12 referee?

Shane Johnston 5 years, 4 months ago

The frustrating thing about the game is that WV is a terrible shooting team. It would not surprise me if they are the worst shooting team on our schedule this year. Of course when we don't put them away, all it takes is a couple timely threes and an open layup to flip the game...

Good point on Perry. He played well yesterday and the previous game was the best I remember seeing him go. Very physical underneath and aggressive with the ball. There were a couple plays against Baylor where he really knocked people around. Funny that it takes Valentine's day to bring out the nasty in Perry Ellis.

Walter Bridges 5 years, 4 months ago

I can go w/Perry playing well but physical? No.

3 years w/Andrea Hudy and not much improvement. That doesn't happen often. If Traylor had Ellis's skills...WOW.

Jonathan Allison 5 years, 4 months ago

the hardest thing for me to swallow is the defensive rebounding. In my mind I felt like WVU got more O Rebounds than we did D Rebounds and I was right. 22 vs 21. That's embarassing. I can't even really explain why, except that the Kansas players were out of position and were out muscled for the ball.

Andy Hess 5 years, 4 months ago

It's hard to grab a board when you're being pushed out of the way and the refs swallow their whistles like they did last night. Yes, they need to toughen up on the boards, but fouls are fouls for a reason.

Mike Riches 5 years, 4 months ago

"The Jayhawks feel they lost this one when Staten accepted an inbounds pass..."

Nope. We lost this one when we gave up 20 offensive rebounds. Sorry but we should have been up by 15 points at the end of this one, the last shot shouldn't have mattered...

Micky Baker 5 years, 4 months ago

In my view, WVU pulled this one out of you know where. They're never that clutch. But it wasn't that last 8.3 seconds that lost us the game. It was the two previous possessions of ours that did. Mason turned it over on one. He didn't need to drive it all the way through, and he lost the ball on his own. That would have allowed us to take another 20 seconds off the clock, thus the 8.3 seconds would have never happened. He needed to force WVU to foul him or take time off the clock.

But everyone knew that WVU is the best defensive team in the country, the best offensive rebounding team in the country, etc. These things should not have surprised anyone. For so many, it did. We're KU fans and we should know basketball better than this. I get you were disappointed in the loss, but the emotions are unreal when we lose and the games we have lost in the conference were close games. We've lost 3 games at this point in the conference many times before. Why are there so many negative people about this? In fact , we lost 3 out of the first 5 conference games in 2008. Why are the memories so short?

Allin Herring 5 years, 4 months ago

Maybe because the 2008 team had way more talent than this current team?

Micky Baker 5 years, 4 months ago

But nobody went off like this when that team lost. That team also had more experience than this one.

Shane Johnston 5 years, 4 months ago

This is 3 out of 5 is in mid February. We're becoming a team that really struggles to win away from Allen. Not a good sign for late March.

Micky Baker 5 years, 4 months ago

Shane, you act like we're not playing good teams and that every one of them is a struggle. Let's be real. We have the number 1 strength of schedule in the country. We aren't playing nobodies.

JD Roth 5 years, 4 months ago

Because they are KU fans... Love their KU basketball, sometimes wear their emotions on their sleeves, deep down good people, but sometimes too invested....

Dave Miller 5 years, 4 months ago

I agree that KU fans: Love their KU basketball Wear their emotions on their sleeves And deep down are good people I can't agree that KU fans are sometimes too invested. I'm totally invested. I'm in "it" forever, I'm in "it" all the way, and I'm in "it" in as deep as a person can be. Rock Chalk Jayhawk!!! Go KU!!!

Russ McCaig 5 years, 4 months ago

...forget the missed bunny, forget Statens road trip layup...remember 4 missed potential FT's (including front end of 1&1) in the last 2 min...would have sealed the deal...our 'inner-Memphis' got us...on paper I had this one written down as a conference loss; however, with the way we played I was more emotional (upset) with the loss than usual being that close to the "W"...need to get over it so we can press on and win out....RCJH

Michael Lorraine 5 years, 4 months ago

You can win alot of games in crunch time without making a FG if you can control the clock, don't turn the ball over and make your FT's.

Jim Pendleton 5 years, 4 months ago

I will say it again people - yes there is bad officiating, in every game. But quit acting like a few missed calls decided the game. The same things that haunt us every loss, and even some wins, reared its ugly head in a big way in this game.

I could have overlooked the usual other problems, had we just rebounded the ball. WV had 22 offensive boards, 22! Twice they had four off boards in one possession. The second chance points they got off these was the difference in the game period. I know you are going to give up a few of these from time to time, but if we even hold them to say seven or so, we win this game by double digits, and all the stuff at the end isn't even a factor.

I don't really think their press hurt us that much. Yeah there were a few turnovers from that, but most of the mistakes we made were self inflicted, like Wayne not catching the ball & dribbling it off his leg, or twice someone just stepped out of bounds.

Other than the obvious that you have to make shots, this team will win or lose going forward on whether they rebound the ball and finish around the basket. I have said I like our talent, and we could go aways in the tourney, but games like OSU and last night will get them an early exit home if they show up in March. Rock Chalk!!

Sam Constance 5 years, 4 months ago

I usually agree with this sentiment... but in this case, one call was LITERALLY the difference (on the scoreboard) in the game.

The foul calls are what they are. You have to play through bad foul calls (or no calls) because they are subjective, they are hard to get right 100% of the time, and they tend to go both ways and even out (or close enough) over the course of 40 minutes.

But playing through a missed shot clock violation is no different than if a team were to win by 1 point after being credited with three points on a two-pointer. It's no different than if KU had been credited for Oubre's layup that he hit after the halftime buzzer.

Shane Johnston 5 years, 4 months ago

One call has literally never been - and never will be - the difference on the scoreboard. .

RJ King 5 years, 4 months ago

The offensive rebounds were most frustrating!

1) Were we THAT out of position?

2) Were we outnumbered because they send so many rebounders in at the expense of defending the fast break?

3) Or are they such a BAD shooting team, that the rebounds go to areas where you wouldn't expect to find one?

Shane Johnston 5 years, 4 months ago

Number (3) is possible. But then Brannen would have led us in rebounds.

RJ King 5 years, 4 months ago

Now that's funny. :-)

But actually I do think BG's been way better of late.

Jocelyn Kennedy 5 years, 4 months ago

1) - Maybe in the beginning 2) - Yes!! 3) - Of course!! Those balls were everywhere but under the basket!

You have nailed what I was struggling to put my finger on!

Brian Leiker 5 years, 4 months ago

Mick Allen 5 years, 4 months ago

Frank is taking some heat unnecessarily. He did have a turnover late but answered on the next possession with a drive and 2 points, once again giving us a 1 point lead. His last shot with 8 seconds to go was a good take that he laid up just a little high on the glass. Suzi please point out the" several mistakes" Frank made late. He had 2 turnovers for the game and the first was early in the second half. Two is not the definition of several. On Staten's 4 step winning lay up, HCBS said he was partially responsible because he told the team to switch on all screens for Staten. Tyson, you opine that Mason was beaten like a drum by Staten off the dribble. Self has called Mason our best on ball defender all year. Are you aware Tyson, that Staten is the preseason Big 12 player of the year? Staten got some of his points off Graham and off switches off the picks. Mason scores 18 and shoots a better % from the field than Staten. Yeah Staten really kicked Frank's ass didn't he Tyson? Perry, Frank and Kelly are our 3 players who showed up. The mass hysteria that accompanies one of our infrequent losses continues to amaze me.Criticism is inevitable, but make sure there is a factual basis for your criticism. As many have pointed out our lack of rebounding was a much greater factor in our loss than the effectiveness of WVU's press. I feel for Perry as he scored 15 the second half and kept us in the game. He has 3 options on his last miss. Because he was in full stride when he caught Jamari's perfect pass, consequently he had built up considerable forward momentum and caused him to release the finger roll a little closer to the hoop than he anticipated causing the ball to carry too far and hit the heel of the rim. Perry had more time than he realized. He had time to come to a full stop and go off 2 feet and bank the ball in. His finger tips were at rim height when he released the scoop finger roll which means to me when he takes it all the way to the rim he had the clearance and the altitude to throw it down with a one handed flush. Of the 3 options, he unfortunately chose the 1 with the greatest possibility of being unsuccessful. Let's move on and win our 11th straight conference championship.

Jonathan Allison 5 years, 4 months ago

great comment on all topics. You clearly saw the same game that I did.

Tom Jones 5 years, 4 months ago

Anyone blaming Frank for...well...anything, really, should have their head examined. He's been this team's best player for months.

Tyson Ailshie 5 years, 4 months ago

I watched Chery blow by him many times off the dribble as well. He's just too slow laterally to stay in front of the really fast, elusive guards. That's all I was saying. Just call it like I see it. This whole team needs to get better defensively.

Shane Johnston 5 years, 4 months ago

Agree. Think about how much pressure it puts on Frank when he's the only reliable ballhandler on the floor. Previously, we haven't responded well to pressure, but we've been much better with both Frank and Devonte on the floor. Not yesterday. Also, Wayne really struggled and I worry about his two open court turnovers affecting his confidence going forward. Teams should try like heck the rest of the year to deny Frank the ball and make Wayne bring it up.

There was one possession where Frank dribbled a wide loop around three defenders to beat the press. Yesterday, I felt more comfortable 1v3 with Frank rather than 1v1 with Wayne.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 4 months ago

Mick, I hate to come off sounding ultra critical about Mason because I truly love the effort he puts out every minute of every game. Like Self says, "you are going to make mistakes but make them going 100 mph" or something like that.

Since you asked, the mistakes Mason made were all game long which were not getting the ball to guys in scoring position, i.e. Greene and others. He also made countless errors going for rebounds, i.e. charging in amongst the bigs letting rebounds go over his head for the WVA guards to clean up. On the one hand you have to admire Mason for going after the ball amongst the bigs but jeezzz, we'd be much better off if he roamed as a mid-fielders going after long rebounds.

Speaking of guards rebounding, if you want to torture yourself, re-watch the game with an eye on Graham, Selden and Greene.

I also feel for Ellis. The guy is playing his heart out.

Jim Pendleton 5 years, 4 months ago

Wow, now you feel for Ellis! You called him a mental midget in another post.

Rodney Crain 5 years, 4 months ago

Whoops-a-dasiy.

This was always going to be a tough game to win for us. What makes it tough to stomach is having a chance to win it, over and over, and not being able to take advantage of it.

This is our team this year. Coach searching the bench for 5 players who can defend and score every game. Like us he has no idea who it will be game by game. Scoring droughts, bad rebounding, opening a half by giving up double digits leads, key players disappearing, missed free throws costing us games and on and on.

You can count on two fingers how many times we have played a complete game this season.

Still we have a great shot at an 11th conf. championship, we will be seeded high in the NCAA tournament, end the season ranked and win 25+ games or so. It is the best we can do, which is not bad.

We could win anywhere between 1-4 games in the NCAA, nothing more. Seems about right for this team.

Walter Bridges 5 years, 4 months ago

I thought so once..now I highly doubt it. We will lose at least one and maybe 2 conference games, will not win the BIG12 Tournament and win maybe 3 games in the NCAA.

If only KO leaves, I think next years team will have a real shot at the title.

Rodney Crain 5 years, 4 months ago

Jonathan there are 5 games left in conference, 3 possible in B12 Tournament, 6 in the NCAA possible.

I can see us getting to 28 or 29 which is why I put the + in there, but 30 is a stretch to me. I said 25 to try not to over reach.

Likely we lose two more games in conference. I think we will lose a game in the B12 tourn., I see us losing the first game of the sweet 16. That is 7 more wins. Nice season. If we win 30 that means one more championship, and a Final Four. I would love that, but I just do not think we can do that with this team.

If we can get in the West Regional where the Zags will be I think we have a chance to get to a final four. Any other region I just do not think we can get past the other number 1 seeds.

Jonathan Allison 5 years, 4 months ago

I think that we lose 1 more league game (@OU or vs. UT). I think that we win 2 or 3 in the Conf. tourney. I project us facing KSU, OSU, and ISU. I think we'll mop the floor with KSU. OSU won't beat us two times. ISU is always questionable. If we win the conf. tourney then we're a #2 seed, and if we lose then we're a #3. From either position we're capable of an Elite 8 run, however, the road is tough if we're a #3 because we would have that potential matchup with the #2 in the Sweet 16.

So realistically I see us winning 29-31 games. 29 if we lose to ISU and get a #3 seed and lose in the sweet 16. 31 if we win conf. tourney get the #2 and reach the elite 8.

Jim Pendleton 5 years, 4 months ago

Good points, except that you would have the 2 vs 3 potential matchup in the Sweet 16, regardless if you are the 2 or 3 seed.

Jonathan Allison 5 years, 4 months ago

it's true but when I look at the potential #2s vs the potential #3s I think that we have a much better shot against most of the #3s. right now Lunardi has OU, ISU, Utah, and Notre Dame as #3s. We should win that game. But he's got Zona, Nova, and Wiscy as #2s. Those are toss up games at best for KU.

Tom Jones 5 years, 4 months ago

Damn, RC, you were doing pretty well for a week or so...oh well.

Hang in there, buddy.

Christopher Hauser 5 years, 4 months ago

It takes 40 minutes to lose or win a basketball game, not just the last three seconds. We lost because we did not keep WVU off of the offensive boards. Rebounding is all about hustle and want too. Everyone has to put their body on a man when the ball goes up against a team that crashes the boards like WVU. Losses like this hurt more then blow outs because of the could have, should have, would have aspect but I choose to believe this will be spun into a renewed sense of motivation and hunger for this team and that while no loss is good it may prove to be benificial down the stretch.

Jaston Archie 5 years, 4 months ago

Whatever happened to the Kansas teams that would dominate their opponents and would occasionally have to make a play late in the game to win which they would usually make? Every game seems to be a grind it out, schizophrenic, crappy game where I start watching it so excited but soon thereafter begin to curse and fume at the pathetic play and facial expressions of these impostor KU players. I'm sorry but some of those players are too insecure to play for Kansas. If you can't perform in the clutch i.e. Mario Chalmers, then you need to go somewhere else. "Soft" is just another word for insecure and unconfident. Seriously, Perry, you miss a wide open layup to win the game? But I'm over it, its time to recognize this team for what it is, a little above average. On the bright side, every team in the country except for Kentucky is a little above average so its par for the course. I guess my expectations for these players are too high, but we as Kansas University cannot lower our expectations, it's impossible. Kansas is basketball. Kansas = Winning. Period. Anyway, I'm out. Peace and Love!

RJ King 5 years, 4 months ago

"every team in the country except for Kentucky is a little above average so its par for the course."

wwwwwhhhhhhhh???

Oh, I recognize it now. The sound of credibility flying out the window.

Paul Christiansen 5 years, 4 months ago

Good points by all. Why do we miss point blank shots! And why are we standing around on Defense and let these "other" teams get their own rebounds and out-hustle us? I know that Frank Mason has more than saved our bacon this season but why would everyone just Stand there and let Staten drive for an "uncontested lay up? Then Jamari Traylor throws The most perfect pass ever and we miss. Ask Bill Self.

Michael Leiker 5 years, 4 months ago

Somehow I'm not worried in the slightest this morning.

Gerry Butler 5 years, 4 months ago

I know this one thing for sure. Cliff Alexander is an absolute joke on the defensive end of the court, big reason he didn't get a sniff of the floor in the 2nd half I believe, I don't know how many times I have seen this guy get left hanging on to his jock, he is a HUGE defensive liability has such a long ways to go. in a way even though he not even close to being ready would almost hope he does go ahead and declare for the NBA they don't play D in the NBA either until the playoffs open a scholarship for us, little tongue in cheek, little frustrated, but dam he has no shot absolutely none outside of 6 feet, can't get his shot up over 6ft 10 if he doesn't dunk then he is screwed, and to keep making excuses for getting beat is what losers do we are not losers, leave that crap to the wanna-be's bad calls made both ways didn't cost us the game. what cost us the game sure the hell doesn't help when you give up 22 offensive rebounds, how pathetic is that, that comes from all about desire, the want to, 50/50 balls you give a team 3,4, even 5 opportunities to score hell even I could score given that many chances, people wanna put the blame on the refs was it the refs fault when with KU up by 1 with 8.9 secs left and when everybody and their brother in the field house knew staten was going to get the ball and he was the one going to take the shot, so I'm asking is the ref's fault that Ku opened up like the RED SEA and Staten had a wide open lane to the basket? was it the Ref's fault that when Jamari laid the perfect pass to Perry and he wants do his typical finger roll instead of flushing the ball does this guy now how to be aggressive? dunk the dam ball he was in front ya Staten was there in front of him which made it more difficult for the finger roll then it would of been if he would of flushed, he takes it up for the flush chances are at worst Staten has to try and block it, as it was all he did was run in front of him was those the ref's fault? 2 very, very very big plays in the closing seconds I mean REALLY? WV missed enough shots we had our chance, but we turn the ball over 14 times stupid turnovers, dribble the ball off your foot WAYNE? just plain have a guy come from behind you and take the ball, no talking from teammates, no court awareness Brennan? just flat out getting the ball flat as Stripped from you and then foul WAYNE? 22 offensive rebounds ? a point guard who has the ball in his hands a lot and has trouble lately knocking down free throws FRANK? missing clutch free throws with 57 secs left in the game LANDON? the refs had nothing to do with any of those WE lost the game but still at the top we will be fine GO HAWKS

Christopher Hauser 5 years, 4 months ago

I think maybe your expectations may have been a little too high for the kid coming out of H.S.? Thats natural, mine were probably a little to high too. Cliff has never claimed to be a one and done guy and he is not clearly. Having said that, he is just as far along if not farther along then Trob was his freshman year and probably about the same as Markeef Morris was his freshman year. Should Cliff be further along then he is? That is a tough question to answer but I think that he is definately still thinking too much and that is making him a step slower. The light bulb will come on. It took Perry till the Big 12 tournament of his freshman year to get it and play closer to his freshman ceiling so as hard as it is I think we have to look for the small stuff in Cliff like consistant box outs or not taking plays off in order yo judge his progression.

Shane Johnston 5 years, 4 months ago

Cliff hit multiple shots beyond 6 feet on Saturday. Against any team besides Kentucky, he can be an adequate rim protector this season. He can't hit shots and impact the game if he doesn't get minutes. Other than getting Wayne going, the single biggest thing we can do to raise our ceiling in March is to get Cliff more minutes in the short term.

Rodney Crain 5 years, 4 months ago

Gerry I Love it, The Red Sea defense. That is great!!!

Clarence Haynes 5 years, 4 months ago

So we lost! Hope that this young team learned from it and moves favorably into the post season! Rock Chalk!

Dale Rogers 5 years, 4 months ago

If that was an "uncontested shot," how come Ellis ended up on the floor? It appeared to us he was fouled, but I guess they don't call fouls on last second shots for fear of getting it wrong. Ellis should not feel bad. We scored 61 points and missed others. Any of those others make it and it's a different result. Any of WVU's shots don't make it, it's a different game. No one person is responsible for the loss. It takes a team to win and a team to lose. Still a terrific season so far.

Allison Steen 5 years, 4 months ago

The worst thing about this loss? Listening to you babies whine. You all have got to be kidding me? I used to not understand when other schools fans said KU fans are the worst because I consider myself and most of the ku fans I surround myself with to be very level headed. But now I know, they're talking about you guys!

We have a one game lead, with a decent road ahead of us where I see us losing one game and otherwise sailing. Start putting your faith in the team or go away. Rock chalk!

Shane Johnston 5 years, 4 months ago

I am a KU fan that is happy as long as we play good basketball. The most important thing for this team is to be playing good basketball when the tournament starts.

It doesn't make sense to me to overlook bad basketball just because we have a one game lead. Why should the fact that ISU lost at TTU affect how you think about KU vs WV?

Allison Steen 5 years, 4 months ago

I'm not talking about overlooking anything. I'm talking about the dramatic statements by fans on here. Its obnoxious. Do you know how many times written on this website this season has said "this is the worst team in 25 years". I have seen it probably 25 times.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 4 months ago

I agree, it's like the brains of some of these "fans" completely shuts down if we lose and they can't make rational statements for a few days. It's unbelievable. If it's a loss in the the tournament that was "in the bag" and then we somehow lost it like the Michigan game a few years ago, it's a little more understandable. This was a loss to a ranked team, on the road, in a hostile environment, to a bad matchup that we've been worried about all season, while still maintaining the lead in the Big 12. It hurts like every loss hurts but come on, it's far from the end of the world. Every team has bad games multiple times throughout the season. You win some you lose some. We've won WAY more than we've lost. Get over it and move on! There is plenty more basketball this season and this game most likely will have no influence over anything when the season is over.

Bob Bailey 5 years, 4 months ago

Looks as if we will be hard pressed to get a joint win with IS.

Some time back it seemed Ellis had trouble finishing at the rim. Early the announcers said we missed the first 8 layups, something like 10-2. The staff seems to think we have to go thru Ellis. How about the first 8 layups? And the philosophy is over riding. We didn't do much with 3 ptrs first half. Worse than that, the break-the- press didn't look anything like Roy's break the press till the last play.

Roy broke the press with easy buckets at the end. But we have to get buckets with Ellis. Didn't even work the second half, Ellis with 19.

Hey, we have one of the best coaches in the country. But, we may have to settle for a tie with IS, and just one win at NCAA, because we can't/didn't adapt to their 3 pt game, not even with ours.

We'll probably lose a good group to the draft. Unfortunately, not more than half of them will be in the NBA. And the crummy Owners who qualify to get the early draft shots, don't have the coaches that can develop players. It would be better for those owners to hold off till they develop enough to play HORSE. Ah well, such is the world.

Allison Steen 5 years, 4 months ago

If you mean lose Oubre to the draft, then yes. Who else is going this year? No one. Or no one else should.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 4 months ago

Lets revisit this at the end of the year and see how wrong you are:

--Looks as if we will be hard pressed to get a joint win with IS. --We'll probably lose a good group to the draft

Caleb Longbine 5 years, 4 months ago

i still cant figure out why we did not have a big rim protector in the game like cliff or landon on that game winner for wvu just in case he got by frank to swat it away. that game reminded me of the closing seconds of regulation of the last boarder war except we had trob there to block their game winner.

Gerry Butler 5 years, 4 months ago

OH Alison, I love you always rosy approach. you enjoy your blinders? I challenge you to test me on my loyality to my Jayhawks. but if your head is so full of smoke and your Crimson and Blue blinders are so tinted them I'm sorry. I as well as a lot of other here do have faith, again never challenge me about that, but what we DO HAVE which guess you don't we also have reality, agreed, yes maybe 1 more loss and that being at Oklahoma, but when a team, plays bad individual players play bad then they are man enough to accept critisim , you accept accolades when you play well you also accept the other side, you have to realize it is what it is you can't go out get your ass pounded on the defensive glass, giving up 22 offensive rebounds, you can't turn the ball over and a lot of them unforced, you have to be able to ge in front of someone when you KNOW they are going to be the one to take the final shot, there was like 3 Ku players in or right close to the lane when Staten came down the lane it was like let me get the hell out of the way. plus there will be more then Kelly leave. period. I would be willing to bet you though be it a very stupid move I'm here to tell you don't have a stroke if you sit back and see Cliff declare for the NBA after the season is over. w don't know his financial status, he get bad information, heard today the NBA projected draft has him as the 17th pick in the 1st round, Kelly 9th. MONEY talks very very loud be huge mistake but agai it is what is it. I'm a very loyal fan have been all my life seen lots of players come and go I still thinlk we are fine but I also don't always try and sugar coat things this team has MAJOR FLAWS GO HAWKS

Allison Steen 5 years, 4 months ago

I absolutely don't have blinders on, I am very realistic. I never questioned your loyalty, and I never called anyone out specifically. But time and time on this website I one day see some really excited comments and then the next following a loss I see "THIS IS THE WORST TEAM IN 25 YEARS" "BILL SELF DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HES DOING" "IM GIVING UP ON THIS SEASON" I get being disappointed after a loss, I am, but you would think the teams entire plane crashed.

Its common knowledge that the big 12 winner (or co-winner) would have to 4-5 losses. Guess what? We have 3. My approach isn't always rosy, I just get tired of you all constantly b*tching. I think we tie the big 12 and don't get out of the first weekend and will be extremely lucky to get to the sweet 16. I am realistic. There is a difference between being realistic and being rosy or being dramatic. You all are dramatic

Allison Steen 5 years, 4 months ago

We have had flaws all season. Why are you expecting perfection? We don't have the height we usually do, and that results in a different type of team and much frustration. Some of our players are inconsistent, some of our players arent playing to their ceiling, and thats a bummer. But Self has made necessary adjustments and it has resulted in us being 1 game ahead in the best conference in the country. So move on from this loss (as this rosy girl never expected us to win this game anyways, and most of you shouldn't have either. i put this in the loss column a long time ago) and go on to the next.

Being realistic means you don't expect a win last night, which results in me not having a panic attack like majority of people here.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 4 months ago

You wanna know what pissed me off about that game last night. EFFORT, this team had NONE on the defensive glass and got their butts kicked all night long in the interior. If it was a 1 time, chalk it up to being a fluke, that's not the case with this team and it pisses me off because that is the ONE THING a player has 100% control of.

This wasn't the first time KU has lost a game because of poor effort this year. The Temple game was no effort, and the OSU game was poor effort, and last night was poor effort. I can live with a loss as long as the effort is there because sh*t happens. I will not back off criticizing this team when poor effort is why they lost. This is a team with Final Four talent, but won't get past the weekend because they don't play with effort all the time.

Perry Ellis should be an absolute nightmare of a match up with his ability to drive. Instead, he gets to the rim, craps himself and either gets a shot rejected or shoots too hard anticipating contact. He has left probably in the neighborhood of 100 on the floor this year because he's scared to play aggressive near the rim. The Perry Ellis that played in the tournament in Orlando us a 1st team All American candidate because that Perry Ellis took it defenses and fought for rebounds. That's the Perry Ellis KU needs and that Perry Ellis can take KU to the Final Four. The Perry Ellis that played last night, that Perry Ellis was scared of contact and was the biggest reason why KU lost and not just because of that lay up. He shyed away from Staten on his lay up and was constantly being boxed out on the defensive glass letting WV get more offensive rebounds than KU had defensive rebounds. I will praise Ellis when he plays well, but I will bust his butt on here as well when he plays like a pansy like he did last night.

You wanna know why KU lost last night. Because they are soft in the paint. Allowing more offensive rebounds than getting defensive rebounds is nothing but a lack of effort and aggression on the glass. If KU gives up half of those boards, they win by double digits.

Gerry Butler 5 years, 4 months ago

again Alison you try to read too much lol.don't expect perfection. What I do expect like so many other fans is a little more consistency. one game a good 1st half, a crappy 2nd half, or a crappy 1st half and a good 2nd half, not expecting perfection, what I do expect is better effort rebounding, better effort for 50/50 balls. all that boils down to is desire, the want to, effort. I'm so glad that your not and if you are then you might want to reconsider dramatic, again its called reality. I don't think we tie for the championship, I still believe we win the championship out right. again its about consistency, this team has no leader, no vocal leader this team has not a guy to call out others or as a group now you can say I'm nutts, just remember then coach self must be nutts many many others must be nutts coach self said just last night they have no vocal leader PERFECTION? PERFECTION? perfection? no not wanting perfection, its more CONSISTENCY have seen them do it, no reason they can't do it. they have done it this season, look at the TEXAS game try telling me WV is better then Texas we beat texas on the boards then turn around and get our butts kicked on the defensive boards by 22 against WV just 1 example. LOVE MY HAWKS

Janet Olin 5 years, 4 months ago

I was very encouraged by the grit and perseverance KU showed coming back from double digit deficits. They regrouped after a horrid start, made adjustments, and competed hard. It's disappointing that blown defensive coverage with 4 seconds to go and a botched layup by Ellis will be a lasting memory for many when there were many good plays. I wonder, like most of the fans, whether Selden will ever attack the basket and Ellis finish at the rim, but one or two players are not to blame for this loss, and hopefully there will be learning and adjustments before OU and WVU in AFH. Rebounding still needs to increase but they're improving.

Michael Lorraine 5 years, 4 months ago

I'm over it. Iowa State faces two tough road challenges this week and we host TCU. We are still in control of our own destiny. I like our chances.

Micky Baker 5 years, 4 months ago

It would seem to me that if we lost by 20, then there would a reason to not be over it yet. We lost by 1 on a last second shot. Hey... it's not the first time that's happened to us. It's the first time that I remember that there was this much negativity over it when played a nationally ranked team on the road though.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 4 months ago

Agreed, it was going to be a tough win, everyone said this going in. We lose by 1 and the world is ending for 2/3rds of the people on here.

Don Papst 5 years, 4 months ago

Yes Michael, ISU faces tough road games. But why should we be in the position of having to beg other teams to bail us out? We also face two tough road games yet. That is what I am worried about. I believe we will hold serve at home, at least we should. We are very tough in AFH. If we do win the three home games, we still need to win at least one on the road. That would give us at least a share of the title I believe. If ISU loses another game, great, but we should not have to hope and pray for that to happen. At the time of the OSU loss, I felt like that game would come back to bite us. Now I feel the same about this loss. Sure hope not as I would like to have 11 in a row. ROCK CHALK!!!!!

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