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Oklahoma State defeats Kansas, 67-62

  • 1 p.m., Feb. 7, 2015
  • Gallagher-Iba Arena, Stillwater, OK

Saturday, February 7, 2015

No. 8 Jayhawks go stagnant in Stillwater

Oklahoma State forward Leyton Hammonds (23) knocks the ball away from Kansas guard Frank Mason III (0) to Oklahoma State guard Anthony Hickey Jr. (12) late in the second half on Saturday, Feb. 7, 2015 at Gallagher-Iba Arena. At right is Kansas guard Brannen Greene.

Oklahoma State forward Leyton Hammonds (23) knocks the ball away from Kansas guard Frank Mason III (0) to Oklahoma State guard Anthony Hickey Jr. (12) late in the second half on Saturday, Feb. 7, 2015 at Gallagher-Iba Arena. At right is Kansas guard Brannen Greene.

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— Holding a comfortable 14-point lead the first half against an Oklahoma State squad playing with a flu-ridden Phil Forte, Kansas University’s basketball team sure looked as if it would tighten its stranglehold Saturday on the Big 12 Conference basketball race.

Needless to say ... things didn’t quite turn out that way.

Harassed by a full-court press that forced KU into seven second-half turnovers (18 overall), the Jayhawks limped to just 21 points the final 20 minutes of a 67-62 defeat in Gallagher-Iba Arena.

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OKLAHOMA STATE 67, KANSAS 62

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The setback snapped KU’s five-game winning streak and dropped the (19-4) Jayhawks to 8-2 in the Big 12 — a game better than Iowa State, two better than West Virginia, Oklahoma and Baylor.

“I don’t think overconfidence was it. I think overall competitive attitude was it,” KU coach Bill Self said of the huge discrepancy in halves.

The Jayhawks led by 11 — 41-30 — at the break.

“You can’t look at any individual on our team and say they had a good game,” Self assessed. “We had a couple guys make some shots (KU hit 7 of 9 threes the first half; 3 of 11 the second). We didn’t play very well, didn’t coach them very well, didn’t do anything very well today.”

The Jayhawks did pass the eye test in scoring 41 points the first half off 56.5 percent shooting.

The second half? Not so pretty. KU hit eight of 30 shots for 26.7 percent against an OSU team that improved to 16-7 overall and 6-5 in the league.

“Just the fluidity,” KU sophomore Brannen Greene said of KU’s second-half woes. He hit three three-pointers and scored 10 points the first half, failing to score in the final half. “When they started pressuring us, we started our offense farther out than we wanted to. It just threw off everything. When you are able to start the offense around the three-point line, you are in scoring position. We weren’t in scoring position with our offense. They got after us and some of us got rattled.”

OSU used a 14-0 run to erase the entire deficit and grab a 44-42 lead just 3 1/2 minutes into the final stanza.

“No excuses. They outplayed us the second half and pulled it out,” added Greene, well aware of the conference implications.

“We’ve still got a one-game lead. It would have been nice to keep the two. Things happen,” he said. “Down the stretch we didn’t play like we usually do, that’s why we lost.”

Self didn’t blame the press entirely for KU’s woes.

“I don’t think we turned it over a ton because of their pressure. It got us out of rhythm some,” Self said. “When we did turn it over we got passive and obviously didn’t play aggressive. We did look bad early second half against their pressure. I’m not sure that was the biggest reason we lost the game. The biggest thing is we rebound the ball so soft. We were 20-9 on the boards the first half. They flippped the switch on us the second half (out-rebounding KU, 26-15). Our rotation rebounding was awful.”

Self did concede his Jayhawks, “didn’t come out ready to play the second half. Wayne (Selden Jr., 15 points, 4-5 from three) has a breakaway, slows down and lets a guy foul him from behind. Instead of it being an ‘and-one,’ we make one of two (from line).

“We take the ball out and throw it to them and they score. That kind of took the lid off the basket for them (to open second half),” Self noted.

As far as which player the team should look to bring energy at the start of lethargic halves, Self responded: “I think we should look to Jamari. Obviously that was not good today,” he added after Jamari Traylor suffered six turnovers while scoring eight points and grabbing six boards.

Junior Perry Ellis had 10 points off 4-of-10 shooting.

“We never got him going at all. We need him to be a good player for us, to be a numbers guy. He got 10 rebounds which is positive, but he has to do more than score limited points,” Self said. “Because he’s our best offensive player.”

KU, which fell behind by as many as seven points (59-52 at 7:21) did have a chance down the stretch. Self called time with 41.9 seconds left and 24 on the shot clock, the Jayhawks trailing by three points, 65-62. Frank Mason III and Greene missed inside shots, OSU immediately converting a layup on the other end, the students at that point preparing their mad dash onto the court after the final buzzer.

“We ran ‘elevator door’ for Brannen (trying to get him a three),” Self said. “They got through it and the plan was just to go get a quick two after that.

“I don’t know if that was when Perry got the ball knocked out of his hand. From my angle it looked like maybe we should be shooting free throws,” Self added of an inside shot by Ellis at 1:48 with KU down four. “Brannen had the ball at three feet. He tried to jump over a guy. Obviously didn’t score. Those were two biggest plays late.”

KU will next meet Texas Tech at 8 p.m., Tuesday in Lubbock.


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Tony Bandle 4 years, 9 months ago

Even Superman has his kryptonite and Hank Iba Arena seems to be Bill's. Even we we win done there, it always seems to be a struggle.

I am afraid the book on KU is becoming quite clear for the NCAA Tourney....press KU from the time they walk out of the locker room till the final buzzer sounds.

I still think we are good enough to, at the very least, be Big 12 Co-Champs this season but I do not see one player, Kelly, Cliff and Perry included, who is ready for the NBA.

Just think if no one left and everyone came back next year plus adding Bragg and Zimmerman!!!!

Steve Zimmerman 4 years, 9 months ago

I'm with Tony on the NBA readiness of our players. I also used to think Selden would ramp up his skills by now, but.. I don't think so.

Cliff, I used to imagine him as player that would have similar records as Okafor. But, up till now, Cliff has not been that productive - well, we really haven't seen him enough getting the ball or play. It would be interesting had he gone to the Devil's land.

Dale Rogers 4 years, 9 months ago

You can bet handling the press will be a priority in practices this week.

Allin Herring 4 years, 9 months ago

Should al;ready have been!! Yesterday was not the 1st time we failed against the press!! Not sure what is going on big Coach Self needs to take some responsibility in this! Always been a big fan of his but 2 times in less than a month we have blown double digit leads at half time. He needs to turn the cartoons off during half time and get the players to play with intensity even when they have a commanding lead!! It is much his fault as the kids even if they are the worst group we have had in 25 years!

Greg Lux 4 years, 9 months ago

We looks tired and lazy today. Without the early 3's this could have been more ugly then it turned out to be in the end. Bad ( Lazy ) passes, not holding on to the ball, little hustle, not blocking out, poor inside shooting, and an overall "I don't give a damn" attitude toward this game was what I saw watching from my recliner. Selden was a perfect example of our teams performance today when he had a run away dunk or layup and slowed down allowing the OSU player to foul him from behind. Selden would normally dunk that ball but seemed content to just lay it up and when fouled he didn't even try to make the shot. Just a totally lazy approach to a simple play like that can send signals to your whole team that you don't care enough to go strong to the basket. Who plays that way? Obviously we did today and we payed for it at the end of the game. There is a huge lesson here and I hope the guys who were on the court today learned from that lesson. " If you don't bring it every game you can expect to lose and lose you did today".

Kit Duncan 4 years, 9 months ago

Missed "bunnies", missed free throws, (especially the front end of one and ones), and generally careless ball handling cost Kansas this game. At least three or four fast break scores by OSU came on turnovers by KU players. This should have been a twenty-plus point win by KU, instead of a five point loss!

OSU was not the better team. They did however, take advantage of nearly every opportunity they had to score points.

Suzi Marshall 4 years, 9 months ago

7-24 on layups/dunks

10-19 FT shooting

18 TOs or nearly 30% of our possessions

That was a determined effort to play that badly.

Rodney Crain 4 years, 9 months ago

Exactly a very determined effort to play that badly.

It was like they were playing with over inflated balls or something.

What a joke of a 2nd half.

Armen Kurdian 4 years, 9 months ago

OSU made us look bad. They got us too flustered and we didn't recover. Against ISU we fought, but got outplayed in transition. This isn't the first time we've been cashing in three's like they are going out of style yet find ourselves in a nailbiter. Hitting that many treys I think gets the team a little lazy. We live and die in the paint. It's a win that OSU earned and well-deserved. We're still in good shape as we have won all our home games and took ones from Texas & ISU.

Walter Bridges 4 years, 9 months ago

1st concern: What happened to KO's play over the last several games.

His D fueled his offense, he should start again w/that and not the 3 ball.

Michael Leiker 4 years, 9 months ago

Why do they feel like they have to storm the court every year??

Tyson Ailshie 4 years, 9 months ago

Because that's what fan bases do when their program lacks a history of a winning culture. I find it downright embarrassing on their behalf.

Michael Leiker 4 years, 9 months ago

I was kinda making a poke at the hawks and the fact the OSU fan base should probably feel pretty good coming into this game every year at this point in the HCBS era.

Armen Kurdian 4 years, 9 months ago

Agree, it drives me crazy. I didn't see a need for them to storm it. Doesn't make me feel bad, I just think like Michael says they should go in expecting to win on their home court. Like it drives me crazy when we win a football game these days we have to tear down the posts. Not that there's any danger of Potter Lake overflowing its banks from too many goalposts...

Mike Riches 4 years, 9 months ago

If you had told me we would hold Nash to 5 of 14 shooting, and Forte to 13 points, I would have felt pretty good about our chances today. They tried several times to give it back to us late, but we never took what they gave us (missed free throws, missed shots, lack of hustle). The big question is how will we come out on Tuesday?

This feels a lot like two years ago when we lost to OSU in the first week of February. Our next game was a mid-week road game that we should have won handily (TCU). Instead of letting the loss motivate us, we came out lazy and stagnant, and watched our conference lead dwindle during a three game losing streak. Let's hope history DOESN'T repeat itself, and we come out with high energy Tuesday and beat Tech by 30.

Nathan Varvis 4 years, 9 months ago

Once again this team struggles in the second half. It seems like this team's biggest enemy is itself inasmuch as they are inconsistent. Selden continued his good play, but not enough effort in the second half. As a side note, Alexander needs to do more. I think he has been benched in the second half in the last 2 or 3 games.

Jaston Archie 4 years, 9 months ago

I just had a flashback to last year watching KU turn the ball over a million times. Like Self said, no one played well. Frank Mason turned the ball over like every possession and choked at the free throw line AGAIN. Jamari looked like he should be second string on a junior varsity team. Brannen Greene was soft as Charmin in the clutch, he tricked Self with his fools gold three pointers to keep Kelly on the bench, when In all actuality Kelly should be on the floor because he is just more clutch, and has a presence about him even if he isn't making shots. Same for Cliff. Why the hell does Bill keep his best players on the bench. Big time players are better in pressure situations. I also think it's time to put Selfs ass on the hot seat. No one ever questions him but it's time to ask the tough questions: why do you keep Jamari on the floor? Why do you insist that Perry be "aggressive" which means put your head down and lay the ball up over the backboard? Why is Cliff on the bench? Why do you micromanage the team, screw your system and let the kids play, the inside game is nonexistent. In conclusion, it doesn't really matter what happens now, but come March/April anything short of a Final Four trip is a massive failure and to get there, the best, most clutch, and Smartest players must be on the floor

Ross Hartley 4 years, 9 months ago

but come March/April anything short of a Final Four trip is a massive failure.......... This is just not true and unrealistic.

Kristen Downing 4 years, 9 months ago

What I think was embarrassing was not storming the court, but instead not showing up as a team in the second half.

Micky Baker 4 years, 9 months ago

What was embarrassing about storming the court was not us, but OSU. They've been there before. The second half of your sentence I agree with, but the first half wasn't us being embarrassed by it, but OSU pretending like they just ended a 20 game losing streak to us.

Joe Ross 4 years, 9 months ago

Im not going to argue over words. I agree with the general sentiment of your comment. We surrendered a 14-point lead and literally gave them a 5-point victory. Some might call that embarrassing and I can't fault them. I call it both disappointing and informative. Here's what we know about our team. When Kansas commits to playing inspired basketball, with intensity...then we can play with anyone. Maybe even Kentucky. But we also know that sustained effort is not a natural part of the fabric of this team (when we find it in them it is because it has been emphasized by Coach), and when we lose that effort we either a. dig a deep hole, or b., surrender a big lead. This has GOT to change, or no doubt a potential exit from the March tournament could come at the hands of an upstart no-name team and be exactly what Kristen describes: "embarrassing"!

It happens every year to someone...

Walter Bridges 4 years, 9 months ago

It happens to just about everybody over the course of a season. Often more than once.

Joe Ross 4 years, 9 months ago

With much respect, it happens much less often to good teams than what it has happened to us this year. Im just guessing here, trying to rely on my memory; but I'd suppose that we have either dug a big hole or lost a big lead six or seven games on our schedule already. BIG ONES! Among championship teams you look for consistency. Not just in the win/loss record, but in the character of your team. There are simply too many times that this team lays down when it has shown beyond doubt that it is capable of playing at a high level. Additionally, Kansas should not concern itself with what "everybody" does. "Everybody" is not Kansas, nor does "everybody" have realistic expectations of making the Final Four. The demands on a team that is competitive for lofty goals are higher than what can be anticipated for everyone else. More to the point, this is uncharacteristic for Bill Self-era Kansas coached teams. There is also the expectation that as the season progresses, that problems which ailed your team early in the season should not linger into February. And finally, we can not accept the fact that we surrender large runs to other teams face-to-face with the knowledge that the tournament is next month! The character of the team needs to be improved ahead of that time. There is no way around admitting that it's not the loss in and of itself that is troubling; it is the manner in which we lost that is worrisome.

Pam Rowe 4 years, 9 months ago

although being young may be an excuse for the team, it should not be for the coach. why are we not prepared?

Rodney Crain 4 years, 9 months ago

This was a wonderful effort by our team, and completely representative of their top 12 status as they were anointed with last week.

Where do I start, from top to bottom every single one of our players gave maximum effort and showed great poise, especially in the second half, when they were tested by a decent effort from OSU. Our coach did everything exactly right, he had our teams minds set correctly (especially in the second half) and our young team responded as anyone would hope. With great ability, shot selection and clutch free throw shooting we showed everyone that this is our conference and we rule it. We cannot be beat and we never give away a lead once we so deservingly earn it. Regardless of how often the refs., in every game, try to even the court or unfairly rule against us, which is all the time in every game.

It baffles me that anyone, anyone would ever doubt this team, their play or their ability to win an 11th conference championship, the B12 tourney and the NCAA tourney, where they will be a #1 seed.

I am aghast that anyone would post on this site anything but unconditional support for our program, team and coaches.

We are Kansas, that is all that has to be said. We win games before they start, we dominate, and our pedigree is beyond compare.

Anyone who does not click "like" to this 100% accurate post is not a KU fan and not worthy to post anymore on this esteemed site.

We are the Jayhawks!!!

RCJH

JD Roth 4 years, 9 months ago

Five straight trips down court without a shot and you deserve to lose. KU offered OSU a win on a silver platter and they accepted it. Somebody needs to inform OSU students that they have a history of winning back in the old days. Reminds me of young people who have no idea Kansas City was once a dominant AFL Franchise and played in Super Bowl 1 and 4. Back to my point, it is ridiculous that Oklahoma State fans storm the court...

Walter Bridges 4 years, 9 months ago

No one alive remembers OSU being a powerhouse and I doubt that the majority of their fans know their history..

Russ McCaig 4 years, 9 months ago

I made the trip to GIA for the first time for this game...after they stormed the court, I pointed at it and an OSU fan behind me said "We do it because we suck." Nice arena aesthetically, very poor sound, & about 20% of the seats open (capacity 13,600).

Tom Jones 4 years, 9 months ago

Someone missed their meds again....but another amazing post!

Rodney Crain 4 years, 9 months ago

This is perfect Tom, I was just telling someone you would comment and likely miss my point. You did, this is great, thank you, I just won the bet. You just made my night Tom Tom. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.

Like leading a horse to water, I knew you could not resist to post some unoriginal recyled thoughtless post. You came through for me with flying colors... lol.

It is amazing how often something so obvious escapes you... wait no its not.

sigh Tom you overblown, weak minded fool, I would try to help you understand my post but well, like I said common sense and reason are beyond your undeveloped brain to comprehend, even at a low level, like my post was written.

I am no longer going to be replying to your tripe. So have it... not going to waste any more time on your foolish comments which mean nothing to me, sometimes you just got to fish or cut bait. I am going to cut bait...

Thank you so much, this just validated what we thought. Could not have worked out any better than if I told you what to say.

This is just great oh my.

Thank you!

Tom Jones 4 years, 9 months ago

This was awesome, even for you.

"Which way did he go, George?"

James Donnell 4 years, 9 months ago

The second half was an embarrassment. Think of all the bad plays: Ellis' shot that he threw up over the backboard (what was that--actually, his shot looks different than last year, different mechanics--you can tell with his free throws), Selden's lazy layup (why does he not use his incredible athleticism and dunk over people?), ridiculous turnovers, especially by Traylor --6!! (why is he handling the ball and why is he even out there--has to be more than an "energy" guy), difficulty inbounding the ball over and over, etc, etc. In spite of the bad play, a couple made bunnies and made free throws (especially front end of the one and one's), and we win the game. All we had to do was play even with OSU in the second half to win easily. They didn't play THAT well. We were that bad. Unfortunately, we don't have much at all of an inside game. We force it inside with passes or dribble penetration that often end up with turnovers, missed free throws, or guarded shots by Ellis. When we are high energy, and everyone is clicking, we are pretty good. But we don't have much margin for error. Oftentimes, we are not that hard to defend.

Dave Miller 4 years, 9 months ago

Just about the only thing we didn't do was gift wrap this game for them with a pretty orange bow. Maybe we missed that also...

I can't add anything that hasn't already been covered. All I can say is I hope the team can tighten up, buckle down, and stop this kind of non-play now.

Tyson Ailshie 4 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, let's hope they get all of this lackadaisical effort out of their systems now so that we don't get embarrassed in the NCAA Tournament. Because, success in the tournament is all I give a whip about this year. I could care less if we win the Big 12 so long as we make a deep tournament run, ala 2012.

Jim Pendleton 4 years, 9 months ago

Said this the other day when the now infamous "KU a final four shoo in" story appeared. I have said all year that this team could be a Final Four team if they play well and keep the things that seemingly hurt them all the time to a minimum. I have also said that if they play games like they did yesterday, Temple, and even some of the games they won where they frittered away big leads, they could easily lose the first weekend as well.

I wish I could understand why year after year, we seem to have issues with guys missing layups or point blank shots. Just make the dang layup instead of trying to make a fancy play where one isn't required!

One and ones are often overlooked as there are a max of six you can have in a game. We had three yesterday where we missed the front end, potential six points lost! Percentage as a whole has not been good recently either. Even our best foul shooters are missing a decent number.

As bad as those items have been, we could have easily won this game had we just taken care of defensive boards. It happened several times yesterday, and often this season, where it just seems the other team scores almost every time they get an offensive rebound. First shot defense has been pretty good, just finish the play and get the board!

Hopefully we find a way to improve on these things in the next few weeks. Must continue to take care of business at home, and a minimum split of the four games on the road should be sufficient to get a tie for the title at the least. Always try to be an optimist, so let's start a new win streak in Lubbock. The Baylor game next Sat is suddenly a big one. Didn't see that coming a couple weeks ago! Rock Chalk!!

Walter Bridges 4 years, 9 months ago

This is a Sweet 16 team unless the bracket breaks in their favor.

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