Advertisement

Sunday, December 13, 2015

Bragg brings energy in relief

Kansas forward Carlton Bragg Jr. puts up a pair of three goggles as the Jayhawk bench celebrates a three-pointer by Perry Ellis during the second half, Saturday, Dec. 12, 2015 at Sprint Center.

Kansas forward Carlton Bragg Jr. puts up a pair of three goggles as the Jayhawk bench celebrates a three-pointer by Perry Ellis during the second half, Saturday, Dec. 12, 2015 at Sprint Center.

Advertisement

Kansas University’s basketball bench consisted of just one person — Carlton Bragg — during the second half of Saturday’s 82-67 victory over Oregon State in Sprint Center in Kansas City, Missouri.

Bragg, a 6-foot-9 freshman forward from Cleveland, scored six points, dished three assists, grabbed three rebounds and swiped two steals while playing eight minutes in a half in which KU turned an 11-point deficit into a 15-point victory.

“That’s being coached, and it’s staying ready. When your jersey (number) is called, be ready,” Bragg said. “It was fun. I can’t wait for more, though.”

Bragg, who flushed a dunk off a pass from Frank Mason III, actually had three assists on three straight second-half possessions. He fed Wayne Selden Jr., Devonté Graham and Mason on baskets that gave the Jayhawks a 68-55 lead.

“Just playing together, just not being selfish,” Bragg said of the key to his assists.

In the first half, Bragg scored two points with one rebound and two turnovers in five minutes. Coach Bill Self used 11 players the first half and just six the second half, until the final minute when he subbed in five players.

“He explained how the first half we came out slow, with no energy,” Bragg said of Self’s halftime message. “Coming out of the locker room, we had to bring energy, play together and play as a team. We had to pressure the ball and get stops.”

Senior Hunter Mickelson, who started and played 10 minutes the second half, hit a pair of 12-footers to cut an 11-point deficit to 44-39 with 17:30 left. Wide open, the 6-10, 245-pounder also attempted and missed a three-point shot.

“I was fortunate enough to get in a good spot in our offense. I was able to knock a couple shots down,” Mickelson said.

Of the three-point try, he noted: “I knocked down, I guess, two (jumpers) before that. I missed one in the short corner. We were running our regular offense. The ball kind of got swung around to me. I went ahead and shot it. It felt good coming off. I put a little too much on it. I don’t know if I’ll be shooting any of those (again) anytime soon.”

The Jayhawks were pleased with the comeback victory.

“Coming out of halftime, we were definitely fired up and wanted to change things and turn it around,” Mickelson said. “Getting some rebounds and getting out on the break, blocking guys out and limiting them to one shot helped us out a lot.”

The Jayhawks, who are in final exams this week, will meet Montana at 1 p.m. Saturday in Allen Fieldhouse.

Ayton update: DeAndre Ayton, a 6-11 junior center from Hillcrest Academy in Phoenix who is ranked No. 4 in the Class of 2017 by Rivals.com, tells the Louisville Courier-Journal he has a top three of KU, Duke and Kentucky. Ayton, who is originally from the Bahamas, is also considering San Diego State and others.

Comments

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 4 months ago

It was nice to see a glimpse of what he's capable of. It's starting to look like Bragg and Diallo will be here next year (barring any ill-advised decisions, or a huge uptick in minutes played) which could be an amazing frontcourt and Lucas and Colby coming off the bench.

Tony Bandle 5 years, 4 months ago

Don't forget about Thon Maker who really likes KU as well!!

Robert Brock 5 years, 4 months ago

KU needs Marquis Bolden and Jarrett Allen - not some tall dude who fancies himself as being a SF.

Rodney Pain 5 years, 4 months ago

I wouldn't count on Cheick sticking around just yet. If he can pull the starting job in about a month or so, he'll still be a high enough pick that he'd be better off going than staying. I agree with Brock too. We'd be much better landing Bolden. He's the perfect fit for Self's offense and a pretty good defender too.

Bryce Landon 5 years, 4 months ago

Great, just what we don't need - another overhyped, underperforming player who already has one foot out the door en route to the NBA.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

You've got to give them a little time before you start calling him overhyped and underperforming. Let's see how he does in the remaining games before conference play starts.

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

Talk to Joe Joseph. He's convinced the sky is falling because Self will never ever get another.... Hard to imagine why the term Chicken Little gets used...

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

Jay, you are the only Chicken Little here. Your comments get dumber and dumber.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

I think that Brock has it right.. Jarrett Allen has been leaning towards Kansas and wouldn't be surprised if he committed in January. Also, Bolden is the one that Self and company have put the most work into. He is still leaning towards Duke but I think we have a decent shot.

And if you want a third choice, getting Josh Jackson would be a great way to top off next year's recruiting class. Currently it is almost a three-way statistical tie between Kansas, Kentucky and Arizona.

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

Who do use for your odds/percentages? There are a lot of opinions. Curious which ones you trust most.

I agree with your projections. Would much rather have Bolden or Maker.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

Jay, there are a lot of opinions, but yours are dumber than most.

Kent Richardson 5 years, 4 months ago

B&M or C&H posted a line of 15 points, 10 boards, three assists and 2 blocks. With a shortened rotation it's not a stretch to see 20 and 15 or better. Night in and night out. Then we can run out more and advantage our speed.

Our full court pressure was effective against someone, in Maui, if I remember right and against OSU according to Bill. If Cheick can get the rudiments of that we could see some high flying stuff. Amazing what a strong comeback effort does for my level of pumpedness.

Matthew Peters 5 years, 4 months ago

Thon maker is the truth. If he were to come to ku that would be great. But i do see carlton bragg coming back for sure he needs to grow strengthwise but i compare his game to chris bosh and he did flourish from the start in the league.If chieck diallo has a strong tournament either big12 or ncaa he is most likely gone in my opinion.

Kent Richardson 5 years, 4 months ago

If it's strong enough i'm okay with that.

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

Thon is a unique talent that would be a great signing.

Paul Pierce is The Truth.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

Even among your endless stream of absurd comment, that stands above. Comparing Thon to Paul Pierce? A kid who hasn't played a game in college to an NBA All-Star.

Your endless stream of stupid comments are an insult to the intelligence of every other KU fan. You can't actually be a fan and be this ignorant. You must have gone to school at Mizzery.

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

Did you do that to intentionally seem stupid or are you really that stupid?

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

Jay, you've proven that you know nothing. Don't embarrass yourself any further. Seriously. Being childish isn't a remedy

LJ Gee 5 years, 4 months ago

Jared, you sound like a jerk and quite frankly, kind of dumb. Jay wasnt comparing Thon to Paul Pierce. If you read the thread, he was clearly disagreeing with the original comment that "Thon maker is the truth". He CORRECTLY points out that while Thon is a unique talent, ONLY Paul Pierce is The Truth. Get off your high horse and learn to read before you start attacking other people. Thanks and have a wonderful day.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

El, where is the outrage when Jay spouts the same non-sense daily?

RJ King 5 years, 4 months ago

Jared . . . slow down. Jay is saying in his opinion Maker is talented, and that KU would be a better team with him on it. He was also disagreeing with Matthew Peters calling Thon "the Truth," and that rather Paul Pierce is The Truth.

You may disagree regarding Maker, but neither of Jay's sentences could possibly be regarded as baiting, outlandish, childish, or stupid.

Really tired of the knee-jerk reactions. I realize Jay has presented a different personna in the past, but for God's sake . . . can you bury the freaking hatchet?

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

El and RJ, your comments show that I am winning the contest!

Most of personal attacks are direct quotes of Jays (check his comment history). Mischaracterizing someone else's comment is number (4) in the Jay playbook.

David McNickle 5 years, 4 months ago

Is there some prize for winning the internet? Jared- If you don't know who The Truth is, originally Walter Berry and then Paul Pierce, then throwing out insults about one's intelligence, especially concerning basketball(because this is a basketball thread despite your attempts), is somewhat hypocritical. Grow up. Move on.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

David, you didn't know there is a prize? Jay wins it everyday. I am just quoting him.

Kent Richardson 5 years, 4 months ago

Thon looks like Embiid with more hops. Don't know about offensive skills yet.

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

Have you seen some of his video? He does things that are amazing.

Joe Joseph 5 years, 4 months ago

Bill Self can likely kiss all future blue chip big-men recruits goodbye if Diallo drops from the NBA big board.

What OAD big would come to KU after what happened to Alexander and (potentially) Diallo?

Even if Self did nothing to retard the development of these two, the perception will be that Bill Self (and his system) don't get freshmen bigs to the NBA.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing, mind you. Keeping kids around for more than a year or so. But we have also seen how the truly skilled OAD bigs (Davis, Towns, Okafor) have impacted their teams. Those are the types that Self is already struggling to land and may never.

Kent Richardson 5 years, 4 months ago

Your observation regarding talented bigs is born out on the NBA stat sheet. The centers from UK are about 5 deep. It is the PF from college, the 6'8 "to 6'9" who are not as prominent. The super skilled like Wiggins are still around 10 years later. Where are the real bigs going? Not to us for sure since Embiid.

Tom Jones 5 years, 4 months ago

Even a dumb high school kid is smart enough to know KU wasn't the problem with Alexander or Diallo.

Kent Richardson 5 years, 4 months ago

The nature of the beast shows that HS kids don't pay attention to what happened before their time. Any lingering reluctance because of how someone did or didn't develop at KU is automatically overstated either way.

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

When Bill Self signed Embiid he was UNRANKED. He was an injury away from being #1 and went #3. Kids, their parents and coaches remember that too.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

You know for a fact that kids, their parents, and coaches remember the Embiid was unranked when he signed with KU? Did you personally poll every kid, parent and coach in America to learn this? LOL.

Your moronic comments are a greatest hits of internet idiocy.

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

Are you still in school? Your parents health care coverage will afford you at least some mental health coverage. Here's the KU center for students .https://caps.ku.edu/

If you're are actually an adult and not covered, there are several options for low income people to get help.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

Jay, has having your opinions exposed as blatantly wrong really made you this angry?

Perhaps commenting in public isn't for you. LOL.

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

He was unranked by both Rivals and ESPN when Kansas signed him.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

Kids today KNOW that Embiid was only ranked after he singed with KU, but before he stepped foot on campus. That will make all the difference in the world to recruits. Bill Self clearly developed him before he ever arrived. LOL.

Keep that nonsense coming. Jay, you are keeping me laughing all day.

David McNickle 5 years, 4 months ago

I know he was the #1 center but wasn't Wiggins the overall #1?

Kent Richardson 5 years, 4 months ago

Texas gets a nice win over Roy and NC. Supposed to have ushered in a new era for the Longhorns. Shaka is reported to be preaching togetherness and sharing the ball and stopping practice to make them run when they are not communicating with each other. They didn't display that on Saturday. With about four minutes left all of NC's four and five stars started jacking up threes and missing and Texas instead of going inside to Ridley returns the favor.

Texas was up two with about two minutes to go because Ridley was being good inside. Roy calls a TO and Texas then allowed four straight layups by NC who go up by three I think. Taylor and Felix each wanting to be the man continued not to be and Lammers, who, I think along with Ryan Spangler from OU, is a 9th year senior, hits one but can't stop himself and air balls the next one. NC said hey we can score inside so let's jack up some more threes and misses, Taylor decides he will be the man for Texas and pusses up a weak semi-floater. It caroms out to Felix who rainbows it in.

Still a me first team at Texas so a nice win but I will keep them at the spoiler level and not yet a contender until something changes.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

Did you get a chance to see Texas/UNC? It was highly competitive with both teams making shots or free throws. The only better game so far (I'm not counting KU) has been Maryland against UNC.

Texas has already improved since parting ways with Rick Barnes.

Steve Zimmerman 5 years, 4 months ago

It's really fun watching Bragg on the court. This kid is as good as advertised.

Harlan Hobbs 5 years, 4 months ago

The key to being a OAD isn't how well you are prepared for the pros. It comes down to where they think your potential is. Rest assured, if someone is designated as a lottery pick, he is almost as good as gone.

Big men have a distinct advantage in this area. Despite being damaged goods at the time of the draft, Nerlins Noel and Joel Embiid were high draft picks based upon potential. On the other hand, smaller players have to be more of a proven commodity.

Paul Pierce may be one of the best examples ever. No doubt he was viewed as a good player when he left KU, but did anyone really think that he would have the kind of long and marvelous career that he has had? He's one of the top 5 KU pros of all time, along with Clyde Lovellette, Wilt, Jo Jo, and Danny. Also, wouldn't want to forget Nick Collison and Kirk Heinrich who have had long, if not as illustrious, careers.

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

NBA scouts like size. It's produced some comical draft failures.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

Speaking of comical failures...how about every ignorant comment from Jay.

Michael Lorraine 5 years, 4 months ago

Yep, it's all about a player's upside. The NBA is only making these kids play a year of college ball so they can get a preview before they shell out millions on potential stars.

John Boyle 5 years, 4 months ago

I have an idea. Lets ask Jared Reeves and Jay Scott to restrain from posting for a couple weeks. They spend so much time trying to p*ss each other off that they never make any valuable contributions to the discussions. Maybe a timeout and sitting in the corner until they can play together is called for. A little civility training would help as well. Thanks and may God Bless both of you.

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

Feel free to counter any of the dozens and dozens of purely basketball related points I've made if you wish.

I'll happily debate you with the level of civility that comes easily in exchanges that I've had with actual adults. You've taken a questionable step toward proving your inclusion in that group.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

Jay, stop crying and man up. You wouldn't know a purely basketball point if it was gift rapped and delivered personally from Bill Self. You are making a fool of yourself.

James Smith 5 years, 4 months ago

Crazy Jay where to we begin…. KU won 12 Big 12 Championships in a row Bill Self is in the HOF MSU was not in the 2015 Final Four Graham is a lock down guard even though he let an MSU freshman make 3 key 3 pointers to beat us. You bring up Alford that he did not guard all the time and Graham only played 25 mins. You mention in one post about young teenagers and having off nights but Alford is not is that situation. Somehow Graham from the bench shut him down.

The best one is that Embid was unranked…

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2013/order/true you must have missed 6th is ESPN Poll.

25th in this one… http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2752/0

Keep it up and we will have a Top 10 for December for you!! What a pathetic life you live!!

James Smith 5 years, 4 months ago

You said he was not ranked. He was ranked using your tactics. Being from Cameroon and less than 2 years of playing BB kept him out of the top 100. Once KU recruited him more attention was given to his abilities and then put in the rankings. Well at least you have conceded your other Crazy remarks. That is a great start to recovery.

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

Couldn't read the article James? Can't help you then.

James Smith 5 years, 4 months ago

Sorry that you can't read. That says a lot maybe if you ask nicely we can get you some help. Sorry for picking on you. Did not realize that was one of your issues.

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

It's in the second paragraph Jimmy...

"Embiid, a 6-foot-11 native of Cameroon, is not currently in the ESPN 100" Right there, in the article announcing that he's going to Kansas.

Maybe they had something on SI Kids that had smaller words.

James Smith 5 years, 4 months ago

Also keep in mind that he was unranked as a Junior but ranked as a senior. He committed to KU in November of 2012 and barely into his senior year. So before the end of his Senior season he was ranked. Playing time had a lot to do with that.

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

Can't read the article James? It's that simple. All your childish insults don't change reality.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

Jay, kids today KNOW that Embiid was only ranked after he singed with KU, but before he stepped foot on campus? That will make all the difference in the world to recruits. Bill Self clearly developed him before he ever arrived. LOL.

Do you say this stuff to intentionally seem stupid or are you really that stupid?

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

Joe, most of my personal attacks are direct quotes of Jays. So, basically, we are the same person. But I am winning the contest!

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

You didn’t hear? There is a contest to see who can do the best Jay impersonation! Here is how you play:

(1) Find a mark, and attack their position.

(2) Attack them personally (i.e. “idiot” “Chicken Little” “child”)

(3) Attack their position with a simple conclusion (“that is idiotic), but no analysis

(4) If necessary, mischaracterize their position

(5) If asked to support your attack with facts or details, balk at the idea

(6) Never play defense or respond to the facts presented, just keep attacking them.

(7) Like your own comments

(8) ALWAYS have the last word

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

Jared, You've really lost it. I'm sorry I drove you this far over the edge. Really. I apologize.

James Smith 5 years, 4 months ago

HMMM wonder who liked your comment Jay?? Guessing Crazy Jay!!

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

When other posts mocking his comments are all getting likes...

Who liked yours? Are you projecting? You need help James.

James Smith 5 years, 4 months ago

Maybe you can get EL Jay to like yours too and then it does not look so obvious.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

Jay, looks like someone can dish it, but can't take it. LOL. You want to call a truce now? LOL.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

Looks like someone is getting desperate. You're making a fool of yourself.

Bryce Landon 5 years, 4 months ago

Bill Self was supposed to appear today on The Jim Rome Show and didn't. Wonder what happened to him...?

Barry Weiss 5 years, 4 months ago

I still think Coach Self should give Cheick a shot at starting a game. I don't think we can count on him being here next year. If the NBA thinks he's in the lotto status, just on his raw material, he may go. I'd like to get some production out of him now. He appears to be the alpha dog we've been in search of. We just need him to pass off a bit more. That's a good problem to have.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

Jay, you are completely delusional and paranoid. Only a troll would try to list personal information about someone else without regard to verifying its truth. Any other crazy conspiracy theories? Are the martians responsible also?

Jay Scott 5 years, 4 months ago

Is that your way of saying that AF JAG Attorney Reeves is a different person?

Let's hope so. KU Law, The Air Force and our service men and women don't deserve that kind of humiliation.

Matthew Peters 5 years, 4 months ago

Jared you are a complete loser. go play with your star wars toys and if anybody thinks that when i said thon is the truth i was comparing him to PAUL PIERCE then you sir need to lay the pipe down.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

Matthew, checking threads is important. My comment was a reply to Jay.

Brian Skelly 5 years, 4 months ago

In theory this should be a 'deep' KU team. But if Self doesn't trust the guys on the bench to get the job done, they just arent going to play a whole bunch. I dont view this as a plus, but it appears to be where we are at.

Matthew Peters 5 years, 4 months ago

My main argument with a bill self strategem is that it usually involves leaving players out that are far too talented to be left on the bench. People have been in his ears for years and years to open up his rotation and he's heard but i dont think he quite gets the message and when its far too late in the season for said bench players to actually have an impact. Really my only criticism of self in the coaching department.

Jared Reeves 5 years, 4 months ago

I love the public condemnation I am getting for quoting Jay's "witty" comments and trolling tactics. This is great. I just wonder why the hypocrites don't speak out when Jay says it the first time.

Humpy Helsel 5 years, 4 months ago

OK. I've been dealing with negative energy all day at work. Yikes! It followed me home! Change in direction...has anyone considered what past KU team, overall, had better shooters than this group? I think this group compares to the 1986 team, at least at this stage. Any other ideas?

Dirk Medema 5 years, 4 months ago

'86 would have been amazing with a 3-pt line.

Erich Hartmann 5 years, 4 months ago

Laughable, look at the jr-high style bickering above in this thread. And the LJW thought they could fix that sort of thing with the Facebook sign-in? No, that was about advertising...

After having read LJW stories and posted comments for years, I quit posting here for the most part--> just not fun anymore. Still read some of the articles.

But I will continue to post multiple times per day on the "other" site, where many of us would rather just talk basketball. Other KU fans and Alums, who aren't looking to shoot each other down. What is the point of that??

John Randall 5 years, 4 months ago

I do have to agree that this message board is continuing a serious backslide in quality of comments since the policy on userIDs and obvious pandering for little kiddies gained momentum a few years ago.

The articles and blogs are still among the best, but jr hi spats among spoiled brats sends me elsewhere for actual meaningful commenting ...

Commenting has been disabled for this item.