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Kansas defeats Oregon State, 82-67

  • 7 p.m., Dec. 12, 2015
  • Sprint Center, Kansas City, MO

Saturday, December 12, 2015

Less is more: Shortened rotation propels KU

Kansas guard Wayne Selden Jr. (1) celebrates with a flying chest bump to teammate Kansas forward Jamari Traylor after a timeout by Oregon State during the second half, Saturday, Dec. 12, 2015 at Sprint Center.

Kansas guard Wayne Selden Jr. (1) celebrates with a flying chest bump to teammate Kansas forward Jamari Traylor after a timeout by Oregon State during the second half, Saturday, Dec. 12, 2015 at Sprint Center.

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— A wide assortment of Kansas University basketball players, 11 in all, played two or more minutes in the first half on Saturday night, the Jayhawks trailing Oregon State by as many as 14 points in a dismal 20 minutes of play.

The five starters — Perry Ellis, Hunter Mickelson, Wayne Selden Jr., Frank Mason III and Devonté Graham — plus one reserve, Carlton Bragg, monopolized all but one minute the second half as the Jayhawks maybe proved less is more in an 82-67 come-from-behind victory over the Beavers in Sprint Center.

“They way we were playing, there really wasn’t a reason for him (Bill Self) to sub, because we were playing with so much energy,” Graham said of a second half in which KU outscored the Beavers, 54-28 — at one point turning that 14-point deficit into a 16-point lead.

“I was surprised we played the whole second half and got no break. He kept asking us if we were tired. We kept saying, ‘No, we just want to win,’” Graham added.

Self — who said the first half was the “worst we’ve played all year” and second half “was the best we’ve played all year” — wound up using Selden (22 points), Mason (18 points), Ellis (13 points) and Graham (10 points) 19 minutes the second half. Mickelson (seven points, six boards) played 10 minutes the second half and the one sub, Bragg (eight points, four boards, three assists), went eight minutes.

“The more we fell behind (first half), it seems, the more energy we lost,” Self said. “Subbing certainly didn’t do anything for us. Guys, when they come off the bench, should provide energy, be uplifting for your team. It (bench) wasn’t at all tonight.

“The second half, I planned on playing everybody again (like first half). When we got on a roll (a 14-0 run that turned 48-41 deficit into 55-48 lead) and got going good, guys said they were not tired. I didn’t see any reason to sub. We haven’t had the bench ever play like the starters the second half. The reality is, we’ve got to be better when you get an opportunity and give us some positive energy when you come in the game.

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“What Frank, Devonté and Wayne showed me,” Self continued, “is you can pressure and still stay out there the whole time, because the second half is the most we pressured all year long. It seems that should be the most tired they should be (all year). It was the polar opposite. They had energy. It was contagious. I didn’t see any reason to sub.”

Selden actually had a chat with two of his teammates after that abysmal first half in which Oregon State freshman Tres Tinkle, the coach’s son, torched KU for five threes and 16 points.

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“There wasn’t panic (at halfdown down 39-28). It was fixing what we had to fix. I told Devonté and Frank we had to fix it. The team goes how we go,” Selden said. “We came out and played with more energy, guarded, were more efficient on the offensive end, took better shots and got in the lane.”

Self conceded there wasn’t any “X’s and O’s” talk at halftime.

“There was not a lot of strategy at halftime. You want to play, you’ll play harder,” Self said. “(Play) with more energy, play to scouting report and play more focused. It wasn’t technical.”

Senior forward Ellis, who had two points off 1-of-5 shooting the first half, went for 11 points off 3-of-5 shooting (4-for-4 from line) with seven boards the second half.

“We were more aggressive as a whole. We didn’t have a presence at all physically in the first half,” Self said. “We’d get it in tight and had guys miss layups, flinch. We let him (Gary Payton II) dunk it on our head. How do we let a guy dunk it on our head like that? It gave them confidence. Guys have to get more aggressive. Perry has to get aggressive. He’s playing like he did when he was 18. He’s not 18. He’s a 22-year-old man. When he’s aggressive, he’s terrific. I thought Devonté the second half was really good (nine points, four assists). Hunter scored the ball to start the half (hitting two of four jumpers, missing a three). Carlton was great off the bench. Some guys will be disappointed they didn’t play. The way we look at it is, some guys had opportunities the first half. The second half we went the direction we had to go.”

Self said his decision to go with just six players and cut the rotation could make for some interesting practices because he has had some teams in the past that didn’t make use of much manpower off the bench. He’s willing to have a short rotation if need be.

“We’ll never max out if we don’t play and understand (the) bench is energy,” Self said. “They have to lift the guys when they come in the game. If we get to where we can do that, hopefully we’ll be dangerous.”

KU (8-1) will meet Montana at 1 p.m. Saturday in Allen Fieldhouse.

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By the Numbers: Kansas 82, Oregon State 67

By the Numbers: Kansas 82, Oregon State 67

Comments

Suzi Marshall 3 years, 11 months ago

That first half was painful and as much as the second half was great, I wish Selden and Graham would hit their FTs.

Looks like Bragg is about to take over the starting 5 at the 5.

Reggie Flenory 3 years, 11 months ago

Praise God because he gives us a little of everything, a little defense , rebounding , good 18ft shot and can pass in,the post hunter, traylor, and Lucas unathletic self can sit on the bench and cheer the rest of the season

Doug Cramer 3 years, 11 months ago

The 5 should go to Mickelson. Proof is in the pudding. He's not the sexiest pick, but he does nothing but block and alter shots in the post, hits jumpers, and makes great decisions in his half court offense.

Self's system works best with a long shot blocker at center.

Rodney Pain 3 years, 11 months ago

My only real complaints about Hunter are his rebound and foul rates. His defensive rebounds are fine, but doesn't do much on the offensive boards. He's no Jeff Withey in terms of blocking shots without fouling.

Jared Reeves 3 years, 11 months ago

Doug, I agree that Hunter deserves more pt, but I really like what I saw from Bragg. His passing ability for a big was fantastic yesterday.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 11 months ago

I thought about this before posting. Mickelson played a little over then 30 min. while Bragg only played 13 min. I think Self wants to have his upperclassman take the lead on the court. If they don't get the job done, that's when we'll see the underclassmen getting the majority of the minutes.

Mark Lindrud 3 years, 11 months ago

Have felt that we need to shorten our bench to 8 guys. How else can we create continuity within the guys playing on the floor? Can't create rhythm and fluidity with 11 guys sharing minutes. Figure out the rotation, and let's dominate so we can become the Final Four team everyone says we are.

Tony Bandle 3 years, 11 months ago

The GOOD - we won the game. The BAD - the bench contribution. The UGLY - the whole first half.

Play Frank, Devonte, Perry, Hunter, Wayne, Carlton, Chieck, Brannen...that's it. Everybody else is on a "as needed" basis. Honestly, Svi hasn't shown me a thing, Vick is too young, Landen is offensively hopeless, Jamari gives hustle and muscle and that's about it and the rest of the bench guys need to come up with some Monmouth Moves.

I am already beginning to miss Rick Barnes. Texas is starting to concern me.

If we miss one more two foot tip in, I'm going to start sceaming. We miss more bunnies than Elmer Fudd shooting at Bugs!!!

Rodney Crain 3 years, 11 months ago

North Carolina lost that game due to rebounding. Big win for Texas, gives them confidence. Oh by the way there was no court storming after the game. Nice to see.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 11 months ago

Texas' lack of court storming can be attributed to one of three things:

1) Texas fans are football fans first and foremost and don't have the same passion for basketball.

2) Texas basketball has grown accustomed to success under the Penders and Barnes regimes and saw no need for a court-storming.

3) The athletic department must have put into place a policy against court-storming that we aren't privy to after the debacle in Ames, Iowa on Thursday.

In any case, I hope those pig-slopping white trash Iowa State fans took note of how the Longhorns won with class.

Jared Reeves 3 years, 11 months ago

Great post Tony. I completely agree with your rotation.

Rodney Crain 3 years, 11 months ago

Wow what a huge comeback in the 5th set by KU women's volleyball!!!! KU wins 3-2 over top ranked USC after being down 4 in the last set. USC was only 2 points from winning and KU scored 6 straight to win. WhooHoo!!! Today is the day of comebacks in KU sports!

Great win driven by huge 54 point second half. Selden was driven in the second half. Great effort by the few that played. Short bench but coach did what it took to win the game. Its a W no matter the detour we took in the first half.

Have to address free throws, and boxing out for rebounds but this was a nice win.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 11 months ago

Women's volleyball is in the Final Four for the first time. It would be great to see them go all the way.

Steve Zimmerman 3 years, 11 months ago

OSU is definitely a worthy of opponent. A dangerous one. They have NBA style athletes. Either we got lucky the shots falling in the 2nd or our guys are now more confidence in shooting. HCBS sooner or later will realize, his hi-low is no longer effective against most teams. If we discipline our bigs in shooting, quickness, leaping/rebounding, footwork - everything will fall into place. He can even do hi-low in that matter. But if he focuses too much with strategies in practices - maaan.. I can guarantee our team will face an early exit year after year. Molding the players with skills is more important than X, Os.. Hopefully we are in the right direction this time. Our guards are proven to be lethal - this is great!!

Jared Reeves 3 years, 11 months ago

Steve, I am not sure I agree the hi-low is "broken," but I agree that it may not fit this team's strengths. We don't have a true low post scorer. Our guards are the strength of this team.

If we play 5 players who can spread the floor, like we did in the second half, rather than have two in the post, we should hit our peak. Ellis, Bragg and Hunter can all stretch the defense. I think they should get more pt in that scheme.

Against smaller teams, maybe go back to the hi-low.

Steve Zimmerman 3 years, 11 months ago

Well, Mr. Reeves, I didn't really say 'broken'. Those kids need to be equipped with skills first, not fed with lots of strategies (hi-low). I guarantee you, even against smaller teams - the hi-low will not prevail. Teams these days are quick, they can be trouble to the post players. It will work only if our bigs are well-trained with footwork, agility, can dribble well, dunk-at-will, play with court vision awareness. Diallo and Bragg are good candidates. It's too late for the rest.

Jared Reeves 3 years, 11 months ago

Steve, I think we will have to agree to disagree. Also, "broken" was a paraphrase of your statement, "his hi-low is no longer effective against most teams."

Jared Reeves 3 years, 11 months ago

This will probably be controversial, but rather than focus on the defense and how it related to our overall play, I will flip it on its head (because offense matters just as much as defense).

The first half, we had no energy on offense. Our low energy on offense translated to low energy on defense. I thought our defense was bad but not terrible. However, defense can look terrible because sometimes a guy who is shooting 3-15 from 3 point land, will go 5-5 in a half, or have a guy like Valentine of Michigan St. who seems like he can't miss for a game. We can't just rely on our defense to bail us out every game, because you can't predict when an opponent's bench player will strike it rich with "fool's gold." Once we played with energy on offense, in the second half, it helped our defense. Mason and Selden should be the MVPs of this team for it to reach its peak.

Jared Reeves 3 years, 11 months ago

I wonder how long it will take Jay Scott to respond. It seems he has a crush on me because he can't stop following me around. I am sure he will say my comment is "stupid," like the boy who has a crush on a girl and hits her for attention.

I am happy to respond to anyone else who doesn't have a crush on me.

RJ King 3 years, 11 months ago

Should've quit while you were ahead. This comment is totally unnecessary. Just baiting.

Jared Reeves 3 years, 11 months ago

RJ, victim blaming is why trolls thrive. If "baiting" is the only way to have him stop trolling me, so be it. Once he stops trolling me, I will stop "baiting" him.

Jay Scott 3 years, 11 months ago

Baiting is a "strategy"? My goodness. You really need help. Here are some time tested "strategies".

1) Don't say comically asinine things. Your moronic comments are a greatest hits of internet idiocy. 2) When asked a straightforward question about the substance (lack of really) of your comments, answer. Your standard trolling babble is cowardice personified. 3) Don't insult people who show how stupid you are.You look even more stupid. 4) Grow up. These forums are for grown ups. You surely aren't one.

Jared. Making fun of you is neither rewarding nor challenging. It's incomprehensible to think that you could make it easier or more hollow. You have.

David Robinett 3 years, 11 months ago

Texas did not storm the court because they have a superiority complex, not an inferiority complex like K State and Iowa State.

Kent Richardson 3 years, 11 months ago

Key play in the game. Wayne steels himself, squares up and nails that first three. Super big time play. Then we hit a few more to get back in it. The game was still in doubt until about three minutes to go. Frank and company started feeding the open guys and DeVonte and Perry responded. Hunter created his own shots. Carlton grew up before our eyes.

Frank and Wayne turned on some light bulbs in post season AA voter's eyes. The difference is not just stats but the ability to inspire and loft a team.

We did not and will not keep moving in this direction without Perry's talents being displayed. He lead us in rebounding and kept the second half run going by showing his outside game skills.

Our bench. whew. Cheick, Svi and Brannen looked lost on both ends. I think if Cheick would just let himself go he would contribute more. A new take on Free Diallo. Brannen running up the court and Carlton throws a short pass that, if good, would have smacked him in the back of the head and it wasn't an outlet pass either. We have seen this lack of awareness enough to see it probably will not change.

OSU was one tall team. I thought Wayne was Frank a couple of times.

The Oedipus triangle won the war in the first half but the Gods are fickle..

Gerry Butler 3 years, 11 months ago

Am I the only one that noticed?- - - No I know I'm not, as they re-played it multiple times on TV- - -What the hell is Greene doing? why the blatent push on the Oregon State player? the ball wasn't even close to the area Greene is just lagging behind, and then comes and shoves the kid, those are the kind of bone headed to lack of concentration plays that keeps that spot warm on the bench for you. Is he ever going to get things figured out, such a talent, but man got some issues

Steve Zimmerman 3 years, 11 months ago

It's the "best 3pt shooter" that HCBS, others have commented about him that makes him that way. Attitude.

Kent Richardson 3 years, 11 months ago

You are not the only one who noticed. I remember comments like WTF, bonehead, etc.

Jared Reeves 3 years, 11 months ago

Gerry, I am guess it was retaliation for a play we didn't see. Greene didn't seem pissed off when he did it, but definitely a bone headed play.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 11 months ago

Stupid play by Greene and an Emmy for the OSU player.

Clark Groseth 3 years, 11 months ago

...Or an Oscar! That was as good a dive as I have ever seen. As good as Shane Battier used to do for Duke.

Humpy Helsel 3 years, 11 months ago

Perry...! Coach just called you out, dude. Carlton Bragg, Jr. gave some great minutes last night. Very efficient minutes.

Brianna Zaleski 3 years, 11 months ago

Did anyone else notice Coach Self wearing an Under Armour shirt at last nights press conference? I would think Addidas would have rules against that

Harlan Hobbs 3 years, 11 months ago

Certainly agree with you, Jared and Humpy, regarding Carlton Bragg. He is extremely gifted. Unfortunately, the better he becomes, the more likely that he could be a OAD. He is far more polished than Cheick at this point, but I suppose the "experts" still would rate Cheick higher based upon his potential.

Kent Richardson 3 years, 11 months ago

Cheick has is not developed enough to evaluate him. Bragg has a way to go also but he does look like a BB player.

Jay Scott 3 years, 11 months ago

Mock drafts are equal part talent evaluation and a prediction of who is coming out early. Bragg has stated from the beginning that he sees himself as a multi year player. That keeps him off the board.

Rodney Pain 3 years, 11 months ago

You've got to cut Cheick a little slack. Missing 5 games to start the season is a pretty huge setback. I imagine once he feels comfortable his full prowess will go on display. Give it time, at least until mid January.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 11 months ago

I watched the game at the Hy-Vee deli in Topeka. After a miserable first half, I bought one of their chocolate pudding cups and ate it over halftime. Second half comes, and Kansas plays superb basketball.

I've found a new superstition: When I'm watching KU basketball at the Hy-Vee deli and KU is playing poorly, eat a chocolate pudding cup at halftime. :)

Robert Brock 3 years, 11 months ago

Plenty of time to practice - meaning, Cheick can continue to learn to play within Bill Self's system. So far, Bragg is getting it; Diallo needs more time.

Brian Skelly 3 years, 11 months ago

In theory this should be a 'deep' KU team. But if Self doesn't trust the guys on the bench to get the job done, they just arent going to play a whole bunch. I dont view this as a plus, but it appears to be where we are at.

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