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Saturday, April 25, 2015

Transfer rule controversial

Kansas University basketball recruiting.

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It’s understandable if Cleveland State basketball coach Gary Waters is frustrated over the rule that allows players who have graduated with one year of eligibility remaining to transfer to another school and be eligible to play immediately.

Anton Grady, a 6-8, 225-pound junior from Cleveland, who averaged 14.3 points and 7.9 rebounds a game for CSU in 2014-15, has announced plans to transfer to a yet-to-be-determined school where he’ll be able to play without having to sit out a year. He said he’s heard from coaches from Kansas University, Kansas State, Iowa State, Xavier, Pitt, Dayton, Nebraska and North Carolina State.

Another Cleveland State player, 6-3 guard Trey Lewis, recently announced plans to transfer and be immediately eligible at Louisville.

“We addressed this at the head coaches meeting at the Final Four,” Waters told the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “This is just bad business, all the way around. I got to the Final Four and ran into 10 other coaches who had lost key players, immediate impact players, in their programs. That is a lot to lose in one hit. And you can’t blame it all on the kid. Behind the scenes, AAU coaches, high school coaches, even parents, are basically recruiting these kids out all over again.”

This is the rule that allowed Tarik Black to leave Memphis and be immediately eligible at KU in 2013-14.

“We benefited from the rule even though I don’t like it at all. I think it’s one of the bad rules we have,” KU coach Bill Self said recently. “From a national standpoint, I don’t think there are people out there trying to coax players out of programs. (But) the antennas do go up with this rule.

“In the offseason, guys who are transferring entering their senior seasons, people ask, ‘Will he be eligible immediately, this or that?’ Guys (coaches) are looking for immediate help. In the springtime, programs may be scrambling, maybe they didn’t get who they wanted in the early period. Transferring is fine. I think a transfer should sit (a year). If we are so concerned about academics, if that’s why you are transferring for academic reasons, why wouldn’t you want to get two years out of it instead of one?

“I wish there was more an academic component to it. The way the rule reads you are eligible immediately as long as the institution (one transfers to) offers something (area of study) you don’t have at the previous institution. People try to create a degree (at new school for the transfer). If you graduate and have one year left, sit a year and give them an extra year. That’s the smartest thing from an academic standpoint.”

More on Grady: The Cleveland State transfer has had injury problems in the past. He’s had two surgeries to repair the meniscus on his left knee, one on his right. His uncle is former NBA player Earl Boykins. Grady hit 48.8 percent of his shots last season and 64.5 percent of his free throws.

Chalmers camp moves to Lawrence: Former KU guard Mario Chalmers of the Miami Heat is bringing his Mario Chalmers Miracle Shot Basketball Camp to Lawrence this summer. It’s been held in the Kansas City area the past several years.

The camp, for boys and girls sixth through 12th grade, will be held from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m., July 18-22 at Sports Pavilion Lawrence. First 50 youths to sign up will participate in a free evening of bowling with Chalmers and guests. For information, go to MarioVChalmersFoundation.org or e-mail pamccormick7@yahoo.com. One can go to Chalmers’ facebook page at Facebook.com/mchalmers15.

Comments

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 2 months ago

I agree it's a bad rule. The intent is to try and help the kid attain a Masters degree that do choose this route. Instead, it's turned into kids who were late bloomers transferring to bigger schools to help their chances of making the NBA. If the true intent is to help kids obtain a Masters, make them sit a year just like a regular transfer so that way they're at the new school for 2 years which is how long most Masters programs take to complete anyways. If that's not the true intent, then quit BS'ing everybody about and don't make a kid sit out a year regardless of why they're transferring.

Brian Wilson 5 years, 2 months ago

It's a good rule! I disagree completely with these coaches and Bill Self. IMO they are whiners. First they take in one and doners and that's not this huge problem. Then they can dismiss a kid for pretty much any reason and that's not a problem. The kid may leave for the NBA after any season and that's not a problem. Then they red shirt a kid knowing he might graduate in four years and that's not a problem. Now all of a sudden, it's wrong to reward a kid that red shirts and graduates on time with the decision to level themselves up to a school that will play in the NCAAs while they try and get their masters, all because the coaches say it hurts the program. You have got to be kidding me.

First, If coaches can't plan on redshirts transferring after graduating then you are a poor planner.

Second, kids should have a right to reshirt for many reasons including medical,etc.

Third, transferring and losing a year or redshirting allows students the right to choose and change to school where they will get a chance to play, change majors, or improve their grades.

So, transferring graduates with one year remaining rewards the student with another chance to decide to play for a more competitive team, a play for team closer to home and family, or to play at a place where they can get more playing time in their final year.All that this rule does is reward those kids that get an education and graduate in four years and now the coaches don't like it. Well BooHoo!. All these coaches are wanting is a system that strictly rewards the "One and Dones" to come and go as they please! IMO, this rule rewards those players for their academics. This rule is good and should be left alone.

If we don't leave this rule alone the IMO we should reverse everything. Let's stop having redshirts when kids want a scholarship to college. Both parties should have to sign a four year contract not allowing any "One and Dones". Let's make this scholarship-contract binding to both parties with the school guaranteeing all four years while not allowing any player dismissal for anything other than NCAA approved academic reasons, family or medical chardships, or criminal prosecution. Let that contract provide for economic damages for breach of contract on both sides. let's see how the coaches like being stuck with the players they recruit and "How's them apples!"

Brian Wilson 5 years, 2 months ago

Jeeesh, you don't get it, plus, the only assumption I made was about what these coaches really think about OAD while speaking to the press and taking advantage of the rule while doing nothing about it.

YOU'RE OFF SUBJCT, your links - references only reply to their position on the "One and Done" rule, which is only a small part of my point about the rule on transferring redshirt seniors. The very coaches you reference have great influence and could have easily fixed the issue by now just by supporting and creating a rule disallowing 1 year scholarships. But they have chosen not to.

In contrast to these coaches and the NCAA's actions, this article makes it sound like this transfer issue is so pressing that they have to make changes to the rules before next season or something. I ask why? Is it because its become an inconvenience to them and they don't benefit?! And IMO, that's the reason why. It reminds me of a bunch of power hungry Walt-mart builders putting all the little guys out of business. So IMO, this rule is good, and completely fair for the players.

John Strayer 5 years, 2 months ago

What does it say about a person's character if they are so opposed to a rule, yet they become masters in it application? Just asking...

The whole "herd" mentality...or I have to do because everyone else is...can be view as a simple way to go.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 2 months ago

If a kid graduates from college he should be allowed to go wherever he pleases for his post-grad education in whatever field. If there seems to be a problem, Self's idea seems very reasonable to sit him a year.

  1. One year to red-shirt ...

  2. Three years to play and graduate - Undergrad Degree ...

  3. transfer and sits a year to - earn a Masters... or attend Law School

  4. plays his last year of eligibility - earn a doctorate or J.D.

A guy can earn a PhD or a J.D. if he plays his cards right.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 2 months ago

I'm not aware of any PhD or JD program that only takes 6 years unless a kid is an absolute genius which the vast majority of athletes are not. I'm not saying that to say athletes are stupid because the vast majority are not, but even 99.9% of regular students can't get a PhD in 6 years.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 2 months ago

He'd probably need to go to summer school. A JD, it usually takes 4 undergrad and 3 in law school. Likewise a PhD is about 7 years total, although some take a long time....much longer.

Mike Riches 5 years, 2 months ago

My dad got his PhD (from KU) in 5.5 years by doing summer classes, but I agree it's not common.

The only PhD I attained was that I was Poor, hungry and Driven...that did not take 5.5 years...

John Boyle 5 years, 2 months ago

KU offers a 6 year JD program so you really don't have to look far to find one.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 2 months ago

What would keep a kid from playing 15-20 years then if he just keeps getting various degrees? 5 years to play 4 for is good because that's approximately how long it takes an average student to obtain a Bachelors. If a kid isn't good enough to go pro, but still wants to obtain a post graduate degree, a scholarship to help them with that would be something good to do for a kid.

Vernon Riggs 5 years, 2 months ago

First the player has to earn an undergraduate degree. Which should be the Number One goal of College Athletics. Second, he couldn't transfer prior from one 4-year program to another 4-year program.. Third, he needs to have eligibility left. And fourth, the graduate program that he want to continue his education can be offer by his current university. If this is about the kids, then the current rules are fair.

John Boyle 5 years, 2 months ago

Please go ahead and get the puking out of the way, oh wait you already did with your comments. cowardly?? really??

Rodney Crain 5 years, 2 months ago

If a student athlete has graduated from College, they should have the same freedoms of any student who graduated. They can seek employment, try to play professionally, backpack through Europe, live in their parents basement, or if they have eligibility remaining and wish to seek another college team to play for, Transfer (seems the wrong word if they are no longer a student there?).

It is not right to put any limitation on them if they have a degree on what they want to do after they graduate. I just read the average student athlete in BB or FB during school has about 46 hours of responsibilities with their team and academics. Sounds like a job to me.

If the rule is bad, change it. If you do not like it and do not support it, then do not take advantage of it when you have the opportunity to. If you are scrambling in the Spring for players, (sound familiar), then keep your head down and move on to the next question.

I feel for the teams that lose players, but its the rule. Not everything is fair, just add this one to the long list.

Erich Hartmann 5 years, 2 months ago

The ClevelandState kid "heard from Kansas State..." (wonder if he could decipher the squeaks over the phone). If he could he might have heard Weber-downdraft describing "immediate playing time at all positions..." lol.

Gary McCullough 5 years, 2 months ago

As long as the basketball coaches award one year scholarships, the players should be free agents and available to any team willing to "hire" them. If this rule is so bad, then programs should tie an athlete up with a scholarship that guarantees a BA when they leave. And student/athletes that accept these four year scholarships would not be allowed to leave until the end of the contract. It kept me in the Marines, why shouldn't it work to end the era of OAD?

Brian Wilson 5 years, 2 months ago

Good post Gary. IMO, If a kid wants to go to college for free he should have to sign a 4 year binding contract.

Let the "One and Dones' pay for their own schooling! No more scholarships for "One and Dones"! If they leave early for professional basketball then they have to pay it back with interest and penalty.

Brian Skelly 5 years, 2 months ago

Hearing coaches whine about this -- including Coach Self -- is laughable to the Nth degree. Ivory Tower crap. If a kid actually does something wonderful by ending up with a degree, and still has eligibility left he should be able to play wherever some other team can take him. I saw Coach K complaining about this one day and wanted to puke. If they ALREADY HAVE A DEGREE where the #@$% do coaches get off thinking they can tell them when and where they can play?

I'll point out as well, as have some others here, that if Coaches wouldnt redshirt guys this wouldnt happen now would it? Im not against that by the way, but between that and running kids off who dont fit -- not exactly the 'academic' institution holding up its end now is it -- the schools and coaches complaining about this is embarrassing.

That said, I will tell you, at least with basketball, MOST schools will offer up 4 years of scholarship, regardless of the player. Now, it's NOT guaranteed, but most do that. Or at least "hold up" their end with it. Less so with football. It's kill or be killed there unfortunately.

Lonnie Ross Dillon 5 years, 2 months ago

Most kids exhaust their eligibility without a degree, so rewarding a kid who got his degree in 3 or 4 years woulds like the fair thing to do. I also think that so long as schools have the option of not renewing scholarships (i.e. year to year) then the kid should have the right to go where they want.

Problem is that this is Ivory Tower thinking. First, I would wager significantly that he majority of degrees that are earned by Div 1 athletes are feel-good degrees and aren't really setting anyone up for the future. Second, the rule was intended to allow a student to pursue a course of study not offered at his current school; however as implied in the article schools can basically make up a research topic and that fits the description. If anyone thinks any of these transfers are for that purpose you're kidding yourself.

As for making early departures pay back their scholarships, does anyone think that the threat of a $25K or so bill is a deterrent to a kid who thinks (right or wrong) that a multi-million dollar payday is waiting?

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