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Tuesday, May 27, 2014

Top basketball preps ‘package deal’

Kansas University basketball recruiting.

Kansas University basketball recruiting.

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Malik Newman and Diamond Stone, the Nos. 1- and 3-ranked high school basketball players in the recruiting Class of 2015, say they’ll definitely attend the same college as part of a so-called “package deal.”

“It’s 100 percent,” Newman, a 6-foot-3 combo guard and Rivals.com’s top-rated player nationally, from Callaway High in Jackson, Mississippi, told Zagsblog.com. “That’s the plan. We don’t plan on changing. We try to talk about it at least once a week.”

Newman tells Zagsblog that Kansas University, UConn, Kentucky, North Carolina State and Mississippi State are recruiting him the hardest. Duke is expected also to be a major player in his recruitment.

Stone, 6-10 from Domincan High in Milwaukee, said he has offers from KU and UConn. He’s also said to be considering Duke, Wisconsin, Marquette, UCLA, Arizona and others.

“Diamond is a great player on and off the court. He’s like a brother to me,” Newman told the Journal-World at the recent Jayhawk Invitational. “I look forward to playing with him in the future.”

The two will be playing for Team USA at the FIBA Under 17 world championships this summer in Dubai.

Duke last season signed two players who had long insisted they’d be part of a package deal — Jahlil Okafor of Chicago and Tyus Jones of Apple Valley, Minnesota.

Dozier on list: KU is recruiting P.J. Dozier, a 6-5 senior-to-be point guard from Spring Valley High in Columbia, South Carolina, Zagsblog.com reports.

Dozier, who is ranked No. 43 nationally, said he is considering KU, North Carolina, Kentucky, South Carolina, Ohio State, Michigan, Indiana, Clemson, Georgetown, Wichita State, Georgia Tech and Louisville. Dozier’s dad, Perry, played basketball at South Carolina.

Maker may reclassify: Thon Maker, the No. 1-ranked player in the recruiting Class of 2016, is considering reclassifying to the Class of 2015, Zagsblog.com reports.

Maker, 7-foot from Carlisle School in Martinsville, Virginia, is considering KU, Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, Memphis and others.

Lots of recruits in Minnesota: ESPN’s Reggie Rankin and John Stovall commented on several possible KU prospects at the Nike EYBL tournament in Minneapolis.

• Cheick Diallo, a 6-9 forward from Our Savior New American in Centereach, New York, who is ranked No. 8 in the Class of 2015, is considering KU, St. John’s, Kentucky, Pitt, Iowa State, Baylor, UConn and others.

“He rebounds at rim level with both hands and finishes with power above the rim. He runs the floor consistently and blocks and contests shots on and away from the ball,” Rankin and Stovall wrote in an article.

• Kassoum Yakwe, a 6-7 small forward from Our Savior New American in Centereach, New York, who is ranked No. 38 in the Class of 2016, is considering KU, St. John’s, Villanova, Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville and others.

“He is a long and athletic lefty forward who runs the floor extremely well, can block shots and defend in the low post,” wrote Rankin/Stovall.

• Tyler Davis, a 6-9 center from Plano (Texas) West High, who is ranked No. 20 in the Class of 2015, is considering KU, Arizona, North Carolina, Ohio State and others.

“He displayed excellent touch, feel and body control to go along with his great hands. Davis has done a great job changing his body by losing weight, which has led to a high level of productivity on the low block,”wrote Rankin/Stovall.

• Allonzo Trier, a 6-4 point guard from Montrose Christian in Rockville, Maryland, (originally from Oklahoma City), who is ranked No. 38 in the Class of 2015, is considering KU, Arizona, Louisville, UConn and others.

“Trier can score in a variety of ways and is a scoring playmaker with the ball in his hands. He gets to the rim and finishes above it on the break. He also slashes in between defenders, creating space with midrange pullups. He is super confident and backs it up with his offensive production,” wrote Rankin/Stovall.

• Malik Monk, a 6-3 combo guard from Bentonville (Arkansas) High, who is ranked No. 12 in the Class of 2016, is considering KU, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, SMU, Baylor and others.

“Monk is an athletic wing scorer who can get buckets by getting to the rim off the break or pulling up and nailing threes off the catch or on the move.He can score quick, and we love how he stays in attack mode,” wrote Rankin/Stovall.

• Caleb Swanigan, a 6-8 forward/center from Homestead High in Fort Wayne, Indiana, who is ranked No. 13 in the Class of 2016, is considering KU, Arizona, Illinois, Michigan Sate, Indiana, Purdue and others. “Swanigan rebounds everything within his reach with good hands, excellent timing and a nose for the ball. Swanigan also displayed touch and nice back-to-the-basket moves, including a textbook up-and-under,” wrote Rankin/Stovall.

Carter lists KU: Former Georgia Tech forward/center Robert Carter, Jr., has KU on his list of possible transfer destinations, his former AAU coach tells InsideMDSports.com.

Carter, 6-8, 247 pound sophomore originally from Thomasville, Georgia, averaged 11.4 points and 8.4 rebounds as a soph. He missed the first 10 games of the ACC season because of a torn meniscus in his left knee.

He has visited St. John’s and will visit Maryland on June 2, his coach said. He also reportedly is considering South Carolina. Carter was ranked No. 33 in the recruiting Class of 2012 by Rivals.com.

Comments

Beau Woolsey 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Maker is the best player to ever touch a basketball.

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Brett McCabe 3 months, 3 weeks ago

I've heard that he's also better than anyone who hasn't touched a basketball. Most comparisons show that he is a combination of Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan, with Rick Barry's free-throw shooting touch.

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Robin Smith 3 months, 3 weeks ago

I like your combo, but I wanna give Rick Barry a shout-out for more than just his free-throw shooting -- one of the all-time greats that people forget about.

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Walter Bridges 3 months, 3 weeks ago

I heard he was more like Magic Johnson crossed w/Kareem only better.

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Brett Forreal 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Maker would be huge get....reminds me of Durant.

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Rodney Crain 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Well as long as were not over hyping Maker....... come on really? I would take Wilt every single time coming out of High School playing as a freshman. No discussion.

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Scott Yessen 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Beau...what makes you say that.

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Beau Woolsey 3 months, 3 weeks ago

He's a 7'1 sophomore that can do this m.youtube.com/watch?v=BDZaJFd4aSk He is the future.

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Scott Oswalt 3 months, 3 weeks ago

He's definitely incredible. Just think if Embiid had played bball growing up.

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Ron Prichard 3 months, 3 weeks ago

I've seen a lot of stuff in my life, but...... That...Was...Awesome!!

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Rodney Crain 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Wilt Wilt Wilt He did that in college, he did that in the Pros against the best competition in the world.

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Walter Bridges 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Beau..TY for the video. This guy is unreal. Moved to Australia from Sudan when he was 5. If Self keeps putting players from outside the US into the NBA (Or top Euro like Kuan) maybe he can get this guy and give Wilt some competition as best ever from KU.

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Jim Stauffer 3 months, 3 weeks ago

It has been obvious for a few years now that coaches who think they can win the NC by out recruiting others are mistaken. There are enough players to go around for good coaches to coach them up and win.

Probably the best example is when Pitino won recently with good players while several schools with higher ranked talent finished behind them.

Hope coach gets some good players, but mostly I hope he turns them into a team like '08 and unlike the last two years.

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Benz Junque 3 months, 3 weeks ago

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Jack Wilson 3 months, 3 weeks ago

There is just more than one way to skin a cat.

The key is, which way is most effective for a team coached by Bill Self?

Contrast his "young" teams to his "experienced" teams. 2007-08 and 2011-12 vs. 2004-05 and 2013-14 are a few years that could be compared.

This debate on young players can't be waged in a vacuum. It has to be considered in light of what situation works best with coach Self at the helm.

That being said, I don't think for a minute that coach Self could have won the national title with the 2012 Kentucky Wildcats. And I don't think for a minute that coach Calipari could have gotten the 2012 KU Jayhawks to the 2012 title game.

Different coaches, different systems, different approaches.

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Erich Hartmann 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Jack Wilson, nail on head...perfect summation.

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Robert Brock 3 months, 3 weeks ago

No mention of Jaylen Brown? He would look good in Crimson & Blue!

Edit: Oops! He was at the adidas Gauntlet tournament. Nevermind...

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Tony Bandle 3 months, 3 weeks ago

ODDITIES FROM OAKVILLE:

1] Hope everyone had a nice hoilday and everyone is safe and sound.

2] If Thon reclassifies, you could have a recruiting trio of Stone Maker Newman.....job title for an apprentice worker at a quarry.

3] If they are truly serious about the package deal, recruit the heck out of one of them and get the other as a bonus.

4] KU's schollie situation for 2015.. Absolutely gone - 0 - no seniors or one year transfers; Highly likely - 1 - Barring injury, Wayne will go pretty much for sure; Fairly likely - 2 - Cliff and Kelly could go but there is a chance either or both may stay: Possible but not likely - 2 - Perry and Jamari both look like full term players; Hunter, Conner, Frank, Svia, Landon, Branden and DeVonte no way any of them leave. That leaves anywhere from 1 to 3 schollies. Here we go again!!

5] I wonder if Bill had a hint of Thon's intentions and is keeping that last schollie in his back pocket???

6] QUESTION OF THE DAY: Are recruits really much better now than in the past or is the PR machine just better at making them look "All World?"

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Titus Canby 3 months, 3 weeks ago

  1. If we get Stone Maker Newman, then we can quit recruiting Fred Flintstone.
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Aaron Paisley 3 months, 3 weeks ago

6) It's the LeBron James effect. LeBron got so much hype as a high schooler that ESPN and other outlets are constantly searching for the next LeBron. If you look at the total number of HS kids who entered the draft after LeBron, it was about the same total number of kids who entered prior to LeBron going to back to 1995 when KG entered. The difference however is that the time from post LeBron to the OAD rule being instituted is about half the time of KG to LeBron so the rate of HS kids going straight to the NBA doubled.

The hype machine of today is why I'm personally against going back to the old system of letting HS kids declare for the NBA draft. Even with the players who became stars coming straight out of HS, only LeBron was in impact player from day 1, guys like Kobe, KG, Dwight Howard, and Jermaine O'Neal took at least 2-3 years to develop into star caliber players. I'm glad that Adam Silver wants to go to a 20 year age minimum because that will allow these kids to get closer to being physically and mentally ready for the NBA.

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Walter Bridges 3 months, 3 weeks ago

You're forgetting Moses Malone. 18.8 ppg and 14 rpg. Yes..he did go to the ABA first but he was going to be an impact player wherever he went.

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Mark Lindrud 3 months, 3 weeks ago

We still have one scholarship left for next year. The question will be who might leave for the NBA early or unless anyone transfers next year.

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William Weissbeck 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Apparently no one is bothered by this AAU "team" straight to college trend.

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Jonathan Allison 3 months, 3 weeks ago

it does tend to rub me the wrong way, with more and more of these "package deals" happening in recruiting. But in fairness, these kids have every right to make their college selection from amongst all of their scholarship offers based on whatever criteria they so choose. And if playing with their best buddy is that important to them then it's fair game.

They have the right to campaign for their friend to get recruited for college hoops, but they also may have to accept the fact that being a "package deal" could limit their choices. However, if you're #s 1 and 3 nationally, I don't think that you're too concerned about having limited choices.

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Jay Beakum 3 months, 3 weeks ago

I’d rather not entertain a player or players who have demands, or who want to make deals. I don’t know these kids personally but as a fan reading these tidbits it comes off as immature, and even a little disrespectful to the coaches who are recruiting them. Not that any coach wouldn’t be happy to land the 1 and 3 ranked players, but to have a kid TELL you we’re a "package deal”? That would get my dander up.

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Aaron Paisley 3 months, 3 weeks ago

This is why KU did not land Marcus Smart. It was widely known that him and Phil Forte were a package deal and Self never seriously recruited Forte, just a token offer.

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Walter Bridges 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Kind of glad Smart went elsewhere in hindsight but was disappointed when he went to OSU. We already have recruited 'combos'. Everyone knew the Morris brothers were going to the same school. I know it's common for twins but I don't think it's that much of a difference. It CAN limit their opportunities plus who knows what happens if one likes a different school better.

In the end, each player will make a decision on what's best for him.

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Luca Rossi 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Wasn't Big Cliff saying he was a package deal with Jaquan Lyle? Maybe they just said they were going to play at the same school, cant remember. I guess my point is that things can certainly change between now and when the time comes to sign on the line.

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John Myers 3 months, 3 weeks ago

100% this. If I was a coach, I'd immediately stop recruiting either of them. Freakin' prima donnas. We don't need that.

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Lonnie Ross Dillon 3 months, 3 weeks ago

That's totally unfair. These kids (remember: KIDS) have simply stated that they want to play together so if you recruit one you better recruit both cuz they won't be coming to your school otherwise. There the ones being sought after and have every right to make that decision. The ones who say they won't come without a guarantee at a starting spot are the ones I'd avoid.

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Andrew Horigan 3 months, 3 weeks ago

If you look at it from their point of view, they know they are highly recruited and if top teams show interest in both of them, which they have, why not go play ball with one of your best friends? It's their college experience they can choose however they'd like. I think it'd be different if one was a top ten recruit and the other a +100, but that't not the case. It's only a package deal because some of the teams recruiting them have shown interest in both of them. KU has already been recruiting both of them, so maybe it's less of them TELLING the coaches, and more of them realizing the possibility.

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Jay Beakum 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Well I guess I don’t understand why they don’t just pick the school and go then? Why announce it?

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Jonathan Allison 3 months, 3 weeks ago

they're being interviewed by these scouting agencies every week and being asked about their decision making process and about what factors into their decision and about what school is currently leading and what school is contacting them the most and maybe they're just being honest.

It would still be reported in the new as "Stone and Newman are a package deal" even if they answered with humility and said "I feel blessed to have received any scholarship offer at all, and even more so that my best friend has received offers from some of the same schools. I've talk to him about it and we have decided that we want to play college ball together at the same school and we will go through our decision making process and announce our decision together"

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Andrew Horigan 3 months, 3 weeks ago

From the sound of their answer is seems the question was "do you consider yourselves a package deal?" and they answered honestly. Remember, they are 17 year-olds with little experience dealing with major news outlets before this year, and probably didn't think they'd sound a bit entitled. And it seems that KU has been recruiting both, as well as many other schools, well before this particular story came out. So I think it's a little judgmental to jump on these kids' case just because they want to play together. I'm just trying to look at it from their perspective before labeling them prima donnas that shouldn't be recruited by KU.

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Gerry Butler 3 months, 3 weeks ago

hey jay I think I agree with you. I mean yes these guys are obviously gifted players, but as you say a player TELLING a coach whoever that may be recruiting them that if you want me then you take the other also.if we are going to let these kids decide what scholarships go where if that is what it has come down to, the kid dictating whats going to take place why have a coach? do we really want a kid like that? ya, ya, ya, again I get it yes they are very talented obviously but is this what its come down to? you let this happen and then before you know it your going to have kids telling the coach when he is or isn't going to play at the college level. after all its the university that's giving the young man a paid trip through college I would think the coach should be the one telling who what is what. just sayin. ROCK CHALK

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Aaron Paisley 3 months, 3 weeks ago

If Stone and Newman are truly a package deal, then KU's not very likely to land them if they choose to commit early on in the process just because there won't be a guarantee of immediate PT at that point because it's not a certainty that Selden and Alexander will be gone at that point. If those two wait until the spring, that increases KU's chances of landing them ONLY if Alexander and Selden are locks or near locks to head to the NBA at that point. KU's involvement and chances of landing Stone and Newman really are dependent upon Wayne Selden and Cliff Alexander's futures are KU beyond this season.

As for the rest of players in this article, it's too early to really know who KU has a shot at simply because the future recruiting numbers are still too foggy to know who's going to leave when.

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Robert Brock 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Stone and Newman will choose Kentucky. Let's worry about the ones who are really considering KU.

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Tony Bandle 3 months, 3 weeks ago

I wonder if Bossi is going to update the rivals.com team recruiting ratings one more time.

KU at #7 with only two players is actually pretty amazing, but Cliff rated at #4 is a joke....he dominated the #1 guy in his own league....Kelly jumped from #12 to #6 which is also amazing this late in the game....Devonte now gives KU a borderline five star point guard....and Svia is touted as the being the best shooter in all of Europe..and one of the youngest.

On the court, these ratings don't mean squat but in the minds of the recruits and their families, I think they still hold value.

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Suzi Marshall 3 months, 3 weeks ago

He has plan to do so with Kansas going to at least 3rd. If he ranks Sviatoslav as a 5 star, which he is leaning toward, then KU has a good chance for 2nd.

At this point, I'm far more concerned about how they perform on the court.

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Brian Wilson 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Sviatoslav is not a 5 star player and I am not real sure he is in the top 15 as the article suggests.
-Mykhailiuk only averaged 5.8 points for the Monkeys in the Ukrainian Superleague.
-Myhailuk only scored 2 points in 13 minutes in the World Team vs U.S which Alexander and Oubre played in. Why didn't Myhailuk start if he is so good!
-his 25 point average comes from the 16 and under league.
Up until about 4 months ago, he was just a 2 star player by Scout. His impact is he is a project for a year or two down the road and will be keeping Frankamp at PG and Mason on the bench. Look at the list and how do you think it will pan out?

  1. Graham, Frankamp, & Mason
  2. Selden, & Mykhailuk
  3. Oubre, & Greene
  4. Ellis, Lucas, Traylor
  5. Alexander, Mickelson, Lucas

Mykhailuk looks to start after Selden leaves.

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Suzi Marshall 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Not a bad assessment Brian. I'm not so sure about Graham or for that matter Mykhailiuk since I've never seen them play. Traylor's weak play (shooting from mid range, defense, and passing) in the NCAA Tournament vs Stanford revealed some significant weaknesses. Switching the 1 and 2 to Selden and Frankamp, respectively, is my biggest curiosity.

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Brian Wilson 3 months, 3 weeks ago

I agree with you Suzi. If it were me I would start Connor. He is a smart player that I think is the fastest on the dribble that KU has had in a long time. But for whatever obvious reason coaches pick the best athlete even when the player that gets the job done is not the best athlete. It's about the only complaint I could ever have about Self or Roy or Larry. Once in a while....start the guy with skill, heart, smarts, and that winning touch.

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Jonathan Allison 3 months, 3 weeks ago

"for whatever obvious reason coaches pick the best athlete even when the player that gets the job done is not the best athlete."

Bill Self started Brady Morningstar and sat Elijah Johnson for two years. Self has a track record for playing whatever player he feels gives him the best chance to win the next game. He doesn't simply start the most athletic player or the highest potential player unless he feels that player gives him a better chance to win than the alternatives.

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Joe Baker 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Connor's IQ is high. But, "fastest on the dribble that KU has had in a long time"? I would tend to disagree. Really? Connor Frankamp is the fastest on the dribble now? And KU has had in a long time? WOW, that's a bold statement my friend. With whom are you comparing his dribbling skills to?

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Titus Canby 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Brian, I agree with you that the best player should play, not necessarily the best athlete. Look at what Self did with Brady Morningstar. He wasn't the best athlete, but as much as people complained about him on this site, he got the job done, and we were a much better team with him.

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Joe Baker 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Disagree with you completely on Traylor.

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Jonathan Allison 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Yes. Traylor to me was one of the best surprises last season considering his total body of work. His improvement in his FG and FT percentages was huge and his improved ability to contribute high energy while controlling his fouling was key to the team's success last season. There are probably at least 3 games last year that we couldn't have won without Traylor's impact off the bench.

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Walter Bridges 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Must be your depth chart. 5 of those players will only get clean-up minutes.

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Chad Lee 3 months, 3 weeks ago

To me Mason looks faster with the ball then Conner. That being said if Conner can improve like he did last year and not make mistakes, he might be the best pg we have. His improvement especially on D was astounding. if anyone watched the exhibition game against Pitt St he could not guard any of there players. in the Tourny he was our best defender by far at the pg

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Brian Wilson 3 months, 3 weeks ago

I agree with you about Connor's defense. Early in the season he looked like a deer in head lights but in the tourney he was up in the face of his opponent with his hands up. Tharpe always played back away from his opponent with his palms down.

I think Mason is a faster more athletic player than Connor. Mason may be able to straight line dribble and drive to the basket faster but his movement is more predictable and easier to guard.

To me, Connor's reaction to the person guarding him is quicker and his lateral movement with the ball is faster with better ballhandling and placement. He can turn, move forward, back up, and spin around all while putting the ball on the ground with greater speed and more control. A lot of people fail to realize just how highly ranked Connor is for a PG.

Using average rankings from Scout, ESPN, and Rivals

Naadir Tharps is a 4 star player, 16th at his position, 86th overall.
Frank Mason is a 3.3 star player, 20th at his position, and 96th overall.
Devonte Graham is a 4 star player, 29th at his position, and 58th overall.
Connor Frankamp is a 4 star PG, 10th at his position, and 43rd overall.
Interesting to see that 29 of the 58 best players in the class of 2014 are PG's. So, Connor Frankamp is the highest ranked PG on the team.

Self is a coach, and coaches like athletes. Don't be surprised if Coach Self ends up favoring Graham over Frankamp due to his athleticism. Personally I prefer skill, heart, passion, smarts, and clutch winners, that always somehow seem to get the job done. If I were Self, Connor would be starting the next three years. Frankamp will probalby end up being first off the bench at the 1 and maybe the 2 spot, although Mykhailuk may have changed that..

The way everbody gets hyped up about every new player coming in. Connor should have been starting from the Git-go last fall. Second guessing Self is not a way to make a living, but this past year I think Self committed to Tharpe to much and should have given Frankamp a bigger opportunity.

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Walter Bridges 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Whoever gives KU a better chance of winning will be starting. Athleticism might give someone the inside track but in the end it will not be the deciding factor.

Justin Wesley was more athletic than Kevin Young and initially was getting more minutes but in the end it was Young's energy and overall play that won him a starting position until Ellis took over late in the season and Wesley was reduced to clean-up minutes.

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