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Kansas defeats Baylor, 78-68

  • 8 p.m., Jan. 20, 2014
  • Allen Fieldhouse, Lawrence, KS

Tuesday, January 21, 2014

Four in a row: Kansas pulls off rare feat vs. ranked foes

Kansas teammates Perry Ellis (34) and Wayne Selden chest bump before Baylor forward Taurean Prince following a dunk by Ellis and a foul by Baylor forward Cory Jefferson during the second half on Monday, Jan. 20, 2014 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas teammates Perry Ellis (34) and Wayne Selden chest bump before Baylor forward Taurean Prince following a dunk by Ellis and a foul by Baylor forward Cory Jefferson during the second half on Monday, Jan. 20, 2014 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

Bill Self talks the good and not-so-good aspects of KU's play in win over Baylor

Kansas coach Bill Self liked aspects of what he saw out of his Jayhawks in a 78-68 home win over Baylor. And he addressed Andrew Wiggins living up to the so-called hype.

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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

Perry Ellis, Wayne Selden and Andrew Wiggins discuss KU's home win over Baylor

Perry Ellis, Wayne Selden and Andrew Wiggins talk with the media following a 78-68 Kansas home win against Baylor.

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Perry Ellis top Jayhawk vs. Baylor

Kansas 78, Baylor 68

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For the first time in a long time, a college basketball team has rattled off four consecutive regular-season victories against ranked squads.

Kansas University’s gritty, No. 8-rated Jayhawks, who entered the latest edition of Big Monday having beaten No. 25 Kansas State, No. 8 Iowa State and No. 9 Oklahoma State on successive game nights, bounced No. 24 Baylor, 78-68, to complete the string in Allen Fieldhouse.

KU, which received 18 points from Perry Ellis, 17 points and seven rebounds from Andrew Wiggins, 12 points from Joel Embiid, plus nine points and six assists from Frank Mason — not to mention one of the great hustle plays of all-time from Wayne Selden — became the first team since 1996-97 North Carolina to take four straight against AP top 25 teams.

The string can’t continue since KU’s next foe is against unrated TCU — tip is 8 p.m., Saturday, in Fort Worth.

Wiggins, who scored 11 points the second half — Ellis had 16 points after the two received some halftime inspiration from coach Bill Self — was asked if it was tough to play so many top-notch teams in a row.

“Not really,” Wiggins said. “We love the game, so basketball never gets old. It’s what we want to do in the future and do now. We might as well get used to playing good teams all the time.”

Said Self: “It’s a nice accomplishment, but it doesn’t really mean anything. It’s the way the schedule fell."

This one was close, with the outcome in doubt with KU up, 43-42, five minutes into the final half.

KU then went on a back-breaking, 17-4 run that put the game away, 60-46, at 7:55.

Naadir Tharpe opened the surge with a three, then Ellis hit a jumper and stepped in front of a Baylor pass to complete a layup and ensuing foul shot.

“I tried to hurry out there as quick as I can and get the deflection,” Ellis said of the steal and bucket and foul shot that gave KU a 51-44 advantage. “The first half ... I wasn’t being that aggressive. Coach let us know, me and Andrew, and we tried to pick it up,” Ellis added.

What followed the Ellis ‘and-one’ was a bucket by Embiid that was far from conventional. Selden chased a loose ball and as he was sailing into the northeast bleachers over the press table, he threw a pass that connected with Embiid, who hit a short jumper to give KU a 53-44 lead at 11:08.

Ellis had two points and Tharpe three more to go with two Selden free throws to complete the 17-4 run.

Of his talking-to at halftime, Wiggins said: “Coach told me to be aggressive, do what I do best, which is attack the rim, try to grab rebounds, get more involved.”

Asked about speaking with Ellis and Wiggins, Self said: “I do all the time. It’s becoming too common. Without question we tried to get them fired up at halftime.”

KU had a late scare when Tarik Black went down with a sprained ankle with 3:13 left. He left for the locker room, but returned to the bench with a minute left.

“He turned his ankle. I didn’t know you could hurt him. He should be fine,” Self said.

Black said he told trainer Bill Cowgill he could have returned to the game.

“I got taped back up and went back out there. It was painful at first, but it’s fine,” Black said. “I wanted to get  back in the game if the team needed me.”

The Jayhawks (14-4, 5-0) will be able to rest up a bit before Saturday’s game at TCU.

“I think we’re a tired team,” Self said. “Five games in 12 days against good competition ... I think we’re a little fatigued.”

• Wiggins’ parents, his brother, Nick, and some members of Wichita State’s basketball team attended. Nick, plays for WSU.

“It’s always a joy when your parents are there. Mom, dad, my brother, he brought friends too, brought the (WSU) team,” Wiggins said with a smile.

Comments

Reggie Flenory 7 months, 1 week ago

Great game we are being baptised in fire with good competition if wiggins could get strong wit his hands on the ball when he goes to the hoop he wont get ripped as much but it was good to see him fet more involved scorimg wise in the second half

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Keith Gellar 7 months, 1 week ago

outside of ISU and OSU, what is this good competition you speak off?

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Benz Junque 7 months, 1 week ago

KU's five conference wins are over the other five Big 12 teams that ALL currently sit in the To 25.

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Walter Bridges 7 months, 1 week ago

Keith..pay any attention to the polls? Baylor, OU & KSU were all ranked when we played them. Currently there are 5 Big 12 teams in the top 25.

Is the Big 12 or the Big 10 the toughest conference? I give a slight edge to the Big 12 but that's probably more based on bias..the other conferences are NOT in contention.

This will also help KU once tourney time starts.

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Brianna Zaleski 7 months, 1 week ago

And the WSU players couldn't have been more classy, when the ESPN reporter tried to bait them into saying something about being ranked higher than KU or KSU.

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RJ King 7 months, 1 week ago

totally agree - it was a nice, fun, good TV moment

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Keith Gellar 7 months, 1 week ago

WSU doesn't have to say anything. Based on last year and current year, they are the better team.

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Glen Miller 7 months, 1 week ago

Based on what? That they made the Final Four and are undefeated. I'm pretty sure that WSU never laced it up and played us in the time frame, right?? That means they've had more success, but does not mean they are the better team. I'm glad that the WSU players are classier than you are troll!!

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Gerry Butler 7 months, 1 week ago

uh, lets see how exactly how many RANKED teams has Wichita state played again? lol. I think they can thank god that Creighton is not in the league anymore Creighton is very very good and after they way they destroyed villanova at villanova last night? uh ya count your blessings. and for you to try to say the big twelve is weak SERIOUSLY REALLY? who in the Missouri valley is any good other the Wichita NOBODY the teams in your league is pretty pathetic obviously the AP and the coaches across America feel differently big twelve being talked about as the toughest conference in America, ku rpi is nu 1 and we are the 4th youngest team in all of college basketball, time for you to put your big boy britches on and check facts before you make absurd statements like that bub GO HAWKS

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Bruce Beckum 7 months, 1 week ago

That was a truly terrible question to ask three teenagers on national television. One of them actually had the perfect tv answer: "We're all just happy to represent the state of Kansas." And then Holly Rowe was laughing "with" them afterwards, like, "Hah hah hah. It's so funny that I made you feel horribly awkward on tv. Hah hah hah."

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Suzi Marshall 7 months, 1 week ago

DAMM!!!!!

Giving up 20 ORebs and only getting off 40 shots…and we get a dominating win. Our interior D is incredibly tough. We held them to 31% (10-32) from deuce land. Thank god we hit our FTs (26-29, 90%) and took quality shots. What is this team going to be like when they play a good 40 minutes!

Roch Chalk Fans, the Glory train is roaring down the track!!!

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Suzi Marshall 7 months, 1 week ago

Yes it was. BU's 3 pt shooting and second chance points kept them in the game.

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Walter Bridges 7 months, 1 week ago

Giving up 20 offensive rebounds, poor perimeter defense and a 10 pt win at home is hardly dominating

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Rodney Crain 7 months, 1 week ago

I am with Lonnie, not sure it was dominating. We deserved the win, but we were out rebounded, way to many OR. They had more steals, we played poor perimeter defense, and had to have a great FT shooting performance to win by 10. We deserved the win, we played better than them, but I am not sure we dominated them.

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Ross Hartley 7 months, 1 week ago

BU shot 80% from three in the first half and we still had the lead. We must have been dominating them in most every other area. Many of the ORs were long.

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Benz Junque 7 months, 1 week ago

Glad to see Self finally put Wiggins on Heslip. Andrew did not give up a single three to Heslip while he was on him.

Nice to get a comfortable win against a good team. KU has now faced and beaten all of the other Big 12 teams that are likely to make the NCAA tourney. With 8 games to go against the teams NOT likely to make the tourney, KU is in a great position in the conference title race.

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Walter Bridges 7 months, 1 week ago

Yeah..I thought Self made a really good decision. Wiggins D is improving geometrically.

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Kye Clark 7 months, 1 week ago

I would say it was a comfortable win. Maybe we can all agree on that? I definitely didn't feel it was dominating, but the run we went on in the second half created enough separation that I didn't see Faylor coming back from it. Enough to keep them at arm's length.

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Suzi Marshall 7 months, 1 week ago

Of course we were not dominating the entire game but we did have a dominating run in the second half that carried us to a comfortable win. I can not get over these past games which featured so many turnovers, giving up so many 3s (BU made 13 of them on near 50% shooting), and giving away so many OBoards.

These guys are still really learning to play and those close games early we narrowly lost, we are now winning. We are showing toughness, which when combined with better play...wow!

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Walter Bridges 7 months, 1 week ago

Glad we won again without putting out a 40 min game. If we had, then that would have been dominating.

As it was, it was a good home court win over a good team. Dominating? No.

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RJ King 7 months, 1 week ago

Thank you Wayne for bringing the hustle. Perry and Wigs need a halftime reminders? Tapes of Aaron Craft? How about watching Releford and KY? Imagine the talent of this year's team with the heart and hustle of the 2011-12 team! Sometimes it seems this group is waiting to BE more confident so that they can play hard, passionate, and aggressive. Actually, tough "Crafty" play would result in success, and thus breed confidence.

Still wouldn't trade this group for any other. NICE accomplishment! What a tough stretch to get through.

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Mick Allen 7 months, 1 week ago

Craft's tough play has not prevented 4 straight losses, including the last one to that prominent Nebraska program.

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RJ King 7 months, 1 week ago

True, and lol. Love both replies!

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Benz Junque 7 months, 1 week ago

Nebraska's two D1 programs put a national whupping on yesterday with Creighton dropping 21 threes on the road against the Nova team that beat KU. Good day for Nebraska teams.

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Bill Anthony 7 months, 1 week ago

I believe the biggest game changer was our 3 point defense after the half. Wiggins and, to a lesser extent, Mason locked down their hot 3 shooter (can't remember his name) for about 15 minutes and that's when Kansas had its run. Great defensive hustle.

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Bryce Landon 7 months, 1 week ago

Brady Heslip is his name. I'm am so sick of hearing his name; seems he's been at BU forever. :P

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Kye Clark 7 months, 1 week ago

Like Keaton Paige at Okie St. Seemed like that dude was there forever too!

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Mick Allen 7 months, 1 week ago

My man crush, Frank the pit bull Mason had an excellent game. 6 assists, 1 turnover and 4 for5, including 1 for 2 from three land. Did any one else notice how many open looks Naa turned down, before he went 2 for 3 in the second half from behind the arc? He is shooting the 3 amazingly well. I like our combo point play.

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Jack Wilson 7 months, 1 week ago

But didn't you know, he can't play against the zone ....

Looks like that's in the past. We've got a nice combo there. Mason is settling in, while still attacking; and Tharpe is probably our best outside shooter (that gets to play regularly).

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Benz Junque 7 months, 1 week ago

KU looked much better in the 2nd half against that zone. They were standing around looking at it for stretches in the first half as if they thought they would see an opening just materiaze out of nowhere. Self obviously made some adjustments at half. The bigs passed out of the double team quicker, the ball rotation happened faster and the guards were able to get into the middle of the zone faster as a result. They just need to do that right off the bat.

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Luca Rossi 7 months, 1 week ago

RockkChalkk Thoughts:

1) Glad to hear Tarik is ok. Every quote I read from this guy makes me like him more and more.

2) Good win but the defense still has room for improvement. Why do we need to wait for the other team's sharpshooters to get hot before we pick up the pressure on them? Why not do it from the start? We end up being reactive on D. Also, I've watched every KU game this year and being more than halfway through the regular season, I do not think we've forced a 10 second call. Also don't even think there has been a 5 second call!

With our team so deep, we could be applying way more full court pressure and on the ball pressure without the fear of tiring out our guys. We can reload with minimal drop off. I trust in Self but having such a deep team is a huge advantage that maybe he should consider installing a pressure package and take it for a test drive against TCU this weekend.

3) Recruiting: First update in a long time but still minimal details to share. Sounding to me like Turner is in a holding pattern until we hear what Embiid decides.

4) Turnovers: Did I read that Self was happy with the turnovers this last game? We must have ended with about 16 which I'm surprised he would be happy with.

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Glen Miller 7 months, 1 week ago

16 is better than the 24 we've been having.

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Michael Leiker 7 months, 1 week ago

  • I think Weis and Drew went to the same "Proper Utilization of the Timeout" coaching seminar

  • If we can somehow talk AW into one more year materials costs on the new b-school will be reduced significantly

  • 11.6 TO/Game last 3 by our Big 3 freshman starters - this has to scare you

  • Where does Townsend get his suits tailored? That blue suit he has been wearing this year is awesome

  • Self finding the right guys to play every game in every situation as he has done every year. His personnel management and feel is one of the rarest things in sports today.

  • Feb 10th shaping up like it means something...buy your tickets before KSU fans realize it

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Robert Brown 7 months, 1 week ago

Interestingly, while KU has beaten four ranked teams in a row, each of their last five teams they have beaten are currently ranked. OU was unranked when we played them, but ranked now. I imagine that Baylor will fall from the rankings.

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Keith Gellar 7 months, 1 week ago

WOW..is this what passes for bulletin board material here. i'm all for patting your self on the back, but when you give yourself credit for beating 4 ranked teams when 2 of them are Baylor and KSU which clearly don't deserve to be ranked, that's just insane.

OSU, ISU- i can see them being in the lower half..maybe in the 20s. No way Baylor and KSU are top 25 material. KU fans know this too. Really, the feat has been beating 2 ranked teams, so call it like it is. We're beating up on Big 12 garbage and bragging about it? wow..times have changed.

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Benz Junque 7 months, 1 week ago

Don't you have a Missouri Valley blowout against an NIT hopeful to watch?

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Keith Gellar 7 months, 1 week ago

funny you say that after KU has repeatedly lost to mid majors..LOL! #VCU #UNI #BRADLEY #ETC

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Benz Junque 7 months, 1 week ago

When you make the tourney 20+ years in a row, you are going to lose some games. It's a nice problem to have.

I am almost 42 years old and Wichita State has been to the tourney 8 times in my life, including just three times since Danny Manning graduated in 1988. That's pretty funny.

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Benz Junque 7 months, 1 week ago

As I said, all five Big 12 wins are against teams that will be in the ncaa tourney. Ranked/not ranked, it doesn't matter. Those are the five best teams not named "Kansas" in the conference.

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Larry Smith 7 months, 1 week ago

We don't rank them, we just beat them.

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Keith Gellar 7 months, 1 week ago

@ Larry- then quit bringing up their ranking everytime you mention them. Its like earlier part in the season when you couldn't talk to a ku hoops fan withotu them mentioning what a tough schedule Ku is playing. WE GET IT. you are playing a tough schedule, but don't be so insecure where you have to point that out every single time. Even bill self was doing it. heck- why don't they just post it on their jerseys so the opposing team players know it too and go easy. seriously.

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Benz Junque 7 months, 1 week ago

Keith, THAT IS WHAT THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT that we are responding to.

If you didn't think the topic warranted the use of your valuable time then move along...

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Benz Junque 7 months, 1 week ago

The rankings of the KU opponents are what the article is about. If you don't feel it is a topic worhty of conversation then by all means, remove yourself from the conversation.

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Benz Junque 7 months, 1 week ago

In case you didn't notice,, the topic of the article is the rankings of the KU opponents. If you do not feel the topic worthy of your time then by all means, remove yourself from the conversation.

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Mick Allen 7 months, 1 week ago

We would be quite secure if we played the WSU schedule.

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Glen Miller 7 months, 1 week ago

Have you guys even played a ranked team this year?? Go ahead and have your few years of fun troll. When your players leave and Marshall moves on to bigger and better things, it will be back to obscurity. WSU plays in maybe one of the weakest conferences out there now that Creighton is gone. I hardly think you have any kind of room whatsoever to talk about schedule mister 107.

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Kye Clark 7 months, 1 week ago

Forget the rankings then. Use other metrics like RPI, Kenpom, Sagarin, etc. KU has played a brutally tough schedule. Jesse Newell, former kusports.com staffer and current Topeka Capital Journal writer did some research and using Kenpom's numbers, KU's schedule is the toughest for any team in the past 7 years.

And while you don't want to give us any credit for Baylor & KSU, consider that they would be the second & third toughest opponents (again, using RPI, Kenpom, Sagarin, etc.) that Wichita State has faced all year. Only the mighty St. Louis Billikens rank as a tougher opponent.

So by all means, continue waltzing through the all but irrelevant Mizery Valley conference thumping your chests like you've accomplished something.

Oh, and one last thing junior - when you have the name "Kansas" on the front of your jersey, NO ONE takes it easy on you, which is perfectly fine by us.

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Benz Junque 7 months, 1 week ago

Just a reminder that the team with the most regular season Missouri Valley Conference titles is KANSAS. We left the conference in 1928 and we've still had more MVC success than any program in the conference's history.

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Rodney Crain 7 months, 1 week ago

WOW, a frustrated WSU fan, no surprise there are so many.

  1. To bad you do not follow the great example of how your players act
  2. I am so happy we do not, and have not, any plans to play your team. Not scared like many of you think, you just are not that interesting.
  3. wow, times have not changed, a small amount of success at WSU and the chest beating can be heard from all parts of the state.

So Keith thanks for well, well being a typical WSU fan I guess.

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Mick Allen 7 months, 1 week ago

Really Keith, show 1/10th the class your 3 players did when interviewed at the Baylor game at the greatest college venue to watch a basketball game. Now please fly in the face of repeated documentation and argue that with me.

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Gerry Butler 7 months, 1 week ago

you just don't know when to stop do you? again you know what they say success brings envy and obviously you have plenty of that, lets see when you wanna try and compare your once in a decade success to the 2nd winningest team in the game of basketball let us know, when you wanna try to compare your so called better team, lets compare schedules how many ranked teams do you play? not just this year but ANY YEAR you play Kentucky? nope, DUKE? nope, OHIO STATE? nope. GEORGETOWN? nope FLORDIA? nope VILLANOVA? nope OKLAHOMA STATE ? nope SAN DIEGO STATE? nope and these are just to name a few we play this type of competition yr after yr after yr we have been averaging 25-30 wins a year consistently against these types of teams we have national championships uh tell me how many has your powerhouse Wichita State team won again? how many NBA players does your powerhouse team have again or had playing or even on a NBA roster playing or not have? who has the longest consectitive NCAA tourney appearences in basketball? like 24 yrs in a row have you even made it to the tourney 24 times in your history little lone in a row? how many years in a row have you been in the top 25 little lone the top 20 or even top 15? when you have success constantly in stead of having a good yr or two once every other decade then HOLLA until then just be proud of the yr your having THIS year instead of tryin to talk crap on a legit team you wanna talk about KU losing to mid major, well check it at least you had the privelage of watching us from the stands of losing that so called game liie so many other years your not even in the tourney, I KNOW maybe you can win the NOBODYS INTERESTED TOURNEY you have no solid ground to try and compare your program to KU'S

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Benz Junque 7 months, 1 week ago

WSU played @ Georgetown and vs. Michigan State in the 2008-09 season (lost both). 2006-07 saw them beat a then #6 LSU and a then #16 Syracuse for their most impressive non-con results I have ever seen.

I am looking for a SEASON where WSU beat four ranked teams in the entire season. Going back to the 2001-02 season I haven't found one where they beat more than two teams that were ranked when they played let alone four.

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Bruce Beckum 7 months, 1 week ago

Words of wisdom from Trolly McTrollenstien

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Walter Bridges 7 months, 1 week ago

Call the AP or ESPN since you are so much more knowledgeable than they are. I didn't hear any KU player patting himself on the back..just a reporter reporting some facts. Take his job.

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Jack Wilson 7 months, 1 week ago

Ok, you're Scott Drew. You watch the KU-OSU game from Saturday, likely Saturday evening. You prepare items for practice Sunday to get your team ready for KU at AFH. You watch KU's 17 point lead go to 5 in less than 7 minutes during a stretch where OSU ran a 2-2-1 3/4 court press. KU threw the ball away a handful of times, and only made OSU "pay" one time with a easy bucket off the press during that stretch. You saw how KU approached the press, essentially with one press break strategy. And your team is 1-3 in league, an underdog, and desperate to turn things around. To win, you probably have to think outside the box. Further, you are planning to run a zone as your primary D ("to stop Wiggins from driving" ). You might also realize that KU has just one plus days to fix what it did wrong against OSU's press.

So, if you're Scott Drew, what do you do?

If you're Scott Drew, you don't run a 3/4 court full court press.

If you're Scott Drew, you lose.

If you're Scott Drew, you're one of the worst D-1 basketball coaches in recent memory.

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Rodney Crain 7 months, 1 week ago

He really struggles sometimes doesn't he? Can recruit, but when I look at their bench I look at coaching as a weakness for Baylor.

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Waylon Cook 7 months, 1 week ago

"we don't like losing" or something like that talking about streak they are on. True but you do a good of job at it.

BAYLOR-IOWA STATE can be billed as "Someone HAS to win!"

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Walter Bridges 7 months, 1 week ago

If I was Baylor, I would look for someone who can recruit AND coach.

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Joe Ross 7 months, 1 week ago

My Top 25: (AP ranking in parentheses)

  1. Arizona 18-0 (1)
  2. Michigan State 17-1 (3)
  3. Syracuse 18-0 (2)
  4. SDSU 16-1 (7)
  5. Florida 15-2 (6)
  6. Kansas 14-4 (8)
  7. Louisville 16-3 (12)
  8. Ok. State 15-3 (11)
  9. Iowa 15-3 (10)
  10. Wichita St. 19-0 (5)
  11. Iowa State 14-3 (16)
  12. Wisconsin 16-2 (9)
  13. Kentucky 13-4 (14)
  14. Duke 14-4 (18)
  15. Creighton 15-3 (NR)
  16. Ohio St. 15-3 (17)
  17. Michigan 13-4 (21)
  18. Villanova 16-2 (4)
  19. Cinci 17-2 (15)
  20. StL 17-2 (19)
  21. UMass 16-1 (13)
  22. Kansas St 14-4 (22)
  23. Memphis 13-4 (23)
  24. Gonzaga 16-3 (NR)
  25. Oklahoma 14-4* (25)

*I would have ranked Colorado in the top 25 if Spencer Dinwiddie were not out for the season with an ACL tear.

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Rich Hetherington 7 months, 1 week ago

Prior to yesterday's games, my Top 25 went like this: (I see you took yesterday into account Joe, but this is what I had before that) 1. Arizona 2. Michigan St. 3. Syracuse 4. San Diego St. 5. Villanova 6. Wichita St. 7. Kansas 8. Wisconsin 9. Florida 10. Iowa St. 11. Oklahoma St. 12. Iowa 13. Cincinnati 14. St. Louis 15. Kentucky 16. Michigan 17. Louisville 18. Ohio St. (likely to be a fringe team or off after loss to Neb) 19. Duke 20. UCONN 21. Memphis 22. UMASS 23. Pittsburgh 24. Kansas St. 25. Oklahoma

Next 10: 26- Baylor, 27- Colorado, 28- UCLA, 29- Gonzaga, 30- Texas, 31- Creighton, 32- Oregon, 33- New Mexico, 34- George Washington, 35- California

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Joe Ross 7 months, 1 week ago

Notes: You're right. I did take last night into account. However, I never thought 'Nova had the resume to justify a top-ten ranking, and even had they beaten Creighton I would not have placed them there. But the manner in which they lost--by nearly 30 on their home floor--solidifies my conviction that 'Nova is masquerading as a paper tiger. They've beaten Iowa, but their win over Kansas came when the squad was very young and if that game were replayed today I have no doubt that Kansas would handle 'Nova convincingly. They lost decidedly against the 'Cuse. I can't argue with where you have Iowa. They've lost to 'Nova, Iowa State, and Wisconsin. Sagarin has Iowa at number 3, and kenpom at 4 if you can believe it, and I'm probably a little influenced by those numbers. A lot of people are high on Cinci, but I think they're a case of fool's gold. They haven't really played any elite teams (though they've beaten Pitt, Memphis, and SMU). To me, the jury is still out on the Bearcats. I'm kind of floating on them until this time next month when they get Louisville. And finally, I think Duke is better than where a lot of people are putting them. Word on the street is that they lost a couple of games during a slump which followed on the heels of Mike Kryskieslkjdk (sp?) losing his brother. Besides, Jabari Parker is the truth and I believe he will step up when it matters most. Love your top-25 though. I think all people should try it about midseason, the point at which there is enough information out there on teams to form an opinion, and yet early enough to have a context of the landscape of college basketball heading into the tournament.

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Rich Hetherington 7 months, 1 week ago

I'm not sold on 'Nova either. They looked great defensively for most of the season, but outside of a couple games the competition wasn't really there. We'll know a lot more after their next 8 games that include playing @Marquette, @G-Town, @Temple, vs Xavier, @Creighton and @Providence. None of those teams are ranked currently, but none of them will be easy either!

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Tony Bandle 7 months, 1 week ago

OAKVILLE ODDITIES:

1] NOW THAT"S MORE LIKE IT!!!!...55 comments and counting. What a pleasure to hear from so many Hawks [even if much of it is squabbling, nit-picking and sarcasm..oops, I'm guilty too!! :) }

2] I had to turn off Fran and Brent just so I could focus on the game. Numerous times, action took place on the court during their wanderings and they never went back to fill us in.

3] 26 OUT OF FRIGGIN' 29 foul shooting and ESPN trested it like that was "just an average day at the foul line"!!

4] Jo Jo..no T's last night...good man!!

5] I think just before game time tip-off someone needs to start chanting "over-rated" to get Andrew fired up!!

6] I AM BUMMING...Trent Green, Mitch Richmond, Jeff Mullins, numerous parents...BUT NO OLIVIA WILDE!! Come on, Sudekis, get on the stick!!!!

7] What is it with chubby little white guys and who keep hitting tre's against us...McNamara, Paige, Heslip, that Ali VCU dude, just to name a few!!!!!

8] TCU deserves a whippin' Saturday that will put us at 6-0 in conference play. Frankly, the only hiccups I see will be at Baylor and Okie State. excuse me if I don't list the Octagon of Dumb.

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Jack Wilson 7 months, 1 week ago

The Octagon of Dumb reminds me of Roy's comment about Arkansas' 40 minutes of hell after we thumped them in the NCAAs... I think he referred to it as 40 minutes of "aw heck."

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Bruce Beckum 7 months, 1 week ago

This is completely unrelated, but after the ISU game, when folks on this board were talking about Hilton fans booing every foul called on their team, someone responded by saying that KU fans do the same thing. I doubted that, but have made a point of listening to the crowd's reaction the last couple of games. When a foul is called on KU, the crowd reacts with groans, gasps and yes a smattering of boos. However, the whole crowd does not boo every foul called against the Hawks like ISU or our furry purple friends down the road. As we know, KU fans are hoops-savvy, classy and above all, loud. Also, the Freemasons are not secretly in charge of the world.

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Benz Junque 7 months, 1 week ago

We boo questionable calls but not EVERY call like ISU seems to do.

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Walter Bridges 7 months, 1 week ago

And we don't flop or lie about getting elbowed. That was a pathetic attempt by Baylor to try and draw a flagrant. They should have called delay of game against Baylor.

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Linda Frost 7 months, 1 week ago

There was a crash and the sound of breaking glass in the top of the southwest corner of the fieldhouse during the Baylor game. Did some seats collapse?

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Ryan Shelton 7 months, 1 week ago

I was considering all of the offensive rebounds that Baylor grabbed, and it occurred to me that when a shot blocker goes up and misses, that leaves the rim open for someone to slide in and make the rebound (we'll call it the Embiid Factor.) But with the shooter and the shot blocker out of the picture, that still leaves us with a 4-on-4 opportunity to block out. Outside of treys that caromed back out to the three-point line, why are we allowing so many offensive rebounds? Perhaps something for Self to look into?

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Benz Junque 7 months, 1 week ago

Many times I see more than one KU big going for a shot block on the same shot. That leaves a guy in the post with easy access to any available rebound.

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Mick Allen 7 months, 1 week ago

No excuse intended here as we do need to be concerned about the number of offensive boards we allowed especially after playing such good first shot defense. But remember the baptists lead the league in rebounding with their 7 footer and 240 and 270 lb inside players.

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Nick Rushton 7 months, 1 week ago

Isn't it amazing to sit back and think how this team has grown so far this season?? Bill Self keeps saying in his post-game comments: we can get better, we can get better, we can get better... this broken record actually reminds me of Tiger Woods because he constantly says the same thing in interviews and that's what drives him: I can get better, I can get better, I can get better...

I believe this squad WILL get better because they've PROVEN they can get better during the season, not only this year but essentially every year under Self. Can't wait to see what this team is like after it cleans up the turnovers and demonstrates some consistent lock-down defense. They HAVE TO get better at this stuff because it's going to be the key to winning on an off-shooting night - particularly on the road and in the Tournament.

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Gerry Butler 7 months, 1 week ago

again guys sorry, but will someone please tell me haven't heard for absolute sure. WHAT has happened to Andrew White? not even a sniff on the floor for what? the last 6-7 ballgames? ya again I know he was hurt for a spell but now its like poof, gone I feel dumb but just don't understand where he has gone. I can understand again I apologize can't think of our other big guys name I understand why he isn't getting playing time, he has played well when he has got in but just soooo deep at the interior position but again just curious about Andrew. all help is appreciated guys thanks. GO HAWKS

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Rich Hetherington 7 months, 1 week ago

I was actually wondering the same thing. AWIII played well early in the season and it looked as though he was going to be in the main rotation down the stretch. Then he suffers some kind of hip-flexor, and has only appeared once (briefly) since then. Poor guy was a top 50 recruit and looked like he was going to have a decent sophomore campaign, but alas, Kansas is too deep, and apparently Self wants Greene and/or Frankamp to get the minutes when they're available. I project that if Seldon declares, AWIII will definitely be in the mix next season, but with Oubre and Greene here, and the possibility of having Mason and Tharpe playing at the same time, he may find it hard to get substantial minutes even then. I know he has a great work ethic and will give it his all, so only time will tell I suppose.

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Gerry Butler 7 months, 1 week ago

well guys wanted to update some things for our guest from Wichita state ( MR GELLAR ). some this and that: you call some of the big twelve teams garbage? don't deserved to be ranked? Kstate, Baylor, garbage? ok. Baylor SOS 22nd, Kstate SOS 36th and your beloved shockers? 71st. others you think are weak? Oklahoma 8th, Iowa State 10th, Oklahoma State 37th, and Texas 47th again your beloved shockers 71st. huh? whats up with that? and your talking how we are always talking about the toughness of our schedule? ok lets see: Ku's over all RPI 1st, your beloved shockers? 9th. conference games RPI KU 1st your beloved shockers 36th. non conference SOS KU 9-4 overall 3rd, your beloved shockers> 12-0 and 8th. KU's record for teams 1-50 8-4 -12 total your beloved shockers? 2-0- 2 total teams 51-100 KU 2-0 your beloved shockers? 6-0 teams 101-200 KU 4-0 your beloved shockers? 7-0 teams 201 plus KU zero your beloved shockers? 3-0. tougher conference. our conference weak? garbage? big 12 conference rank #1 Missouri valley # 11 team SOS KU #1 your beloved shockers? 71st KU opponents winning pct? KU 77% your beloved shockers? 55 % so before you wanna talk trash, garbage? all those teams you say are weak? garbage? don't deserve to be ranked? all of them are higher the n your beloved shockers, so where does that put you? facts don't lie ENOUGH SAID. GO HAWKS

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Gerry Butler 7 months, 1 week ago

as of right now latest bracketology they have projected the big 12 with 7 teams in, ku, okla, texas, k-state, iowa state, Baylor, Oklahoma state: texas 8th seed, Iowa state, 3rd seed, k-state 8th seed, Oklahoma 5th seed Oklahoma state 3rd seed, Baylor 7th seed and ku 2nd seed and yet we have people calling our league garbage GO FIGURE LOL. GO HAWKS

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tim deegan 7 months, 1 week ago

Wow, that was a great game to watch. And it looked like they were having fun too = per Self's recent advice. I kept waiting for a breakout game by Wiggins and admit to being disappointed when he didn't have one. But I loved how he shut down Haslip though.

Then I looked at his points at the end of the game and was amazed to see he led the team with 17 on top of seven rebounds. I thought when the heck did that happen? Then I read this article on him at fox sports and it really put things in perspective as far as expectations go. For me it's dead on - no more critical judging the guy for me. Like the writer of the article, I'm just going to enjoy him while he's here. Here's the link for anyone interested ( http://msn.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/forgrave-let-s-enjoy-wiggins-for-what-he-is-not-what-he-could-be-012114 )

And when did my hawks become a 26 of 29 free throw shooting team??? I can't remember how many times I've sworn at the tv watching them lose games by tossing bricks from the only position you know you're going to get to shoot from. Like the McD's tag line "I'm lovin it!" What a fun big dance this is going to be!

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