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Sunday, January 19, 2014

Road no easier for slumping BU

The KU bench watches the final seconds of KU's 81-58 loss to the Baylor Bears Saturday in Waco.

The KU bench watches the final seconds of KU's 81-58 loss to the Baylor Bears Saturday in Waco.

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Baylor’s No. 12-ranked basketball team, which figures to sink in the AP poll after losses to Texas Tech and Oklahoma last week, today travels to a place not conducive to slump-busting.

The Bears (13-4, 1-3) visit Kansas University’s Allen Fieldhouse — where they are 0-10 all-time — for an 8 p.m. Big Monday clash against the Jayhawks (13-4, 4-0). That 0-10 record includes just three games decided by 10 points or less. The Bears, let the record show, also lost in Hoch Auditorium in 1951, meaning BU is 0-11 on KU’s campus.

“Baylor is a very talented team,” KU senior Tarik Black said, caring more about the fact the Bears beat Kentucky (67-62 in Arlington, Texas) and Colorado (72-60 in Dallas) in the nonconference season, than stats from the past. “They can come out and beat anybody in conference any night of the week. They’re not somebody we should underestimate by any means just because they took a loss (66-64 to Oklahoma on Saturday at BU). We took some losses early in the season. See where we are today and how talented we are. They are the same-type team. We have to come out and be prepared and be dead serious with them.”

Senior forward Cory Jefferson leads BU in scoring (13.1 ppg) and rebounding (8.4 rpg), while junior point guard Kenny Chery is right behind with 11.9 ppg and 5.1 assists per contest. Sophomore center Isaiah Austin averages 10.4 points, 5.7 boards and 2.8 blocks.

Three-point bomber Brady Heslip averages 10.8 ppg with 46 threes in 99 attempts (.465).

“We’ll get a hungry team on Monday, but they should get a hungry team, too. We are not leaving here happy,” KU coach Bill Self said after Saturday’s 80-78 home victory over Oklahoma State.

It was a game in which the No. 15-ranked Jayhawks held a 19-point first-half lead.

“We’ll come out and give as aggressive an effort as we’ve given all year on Monday,” Self said.

It should be interesting tonight to see how freshman Andrew Wiggins responds to his worst game of the season, a three-point, two-rebound outing against Oklahoma State. Wiggins, who hit one of five shots, played just one of the final nine minutes.

“I know he’ll be fired up,” said freshman guard Frank Mason, who scored six points and grabbed four rebounds in 18 minutes Saturday. “We’ll all get him fired up and ready to play as a team because that’s what we should do as a team.”

Wiggins remains KU’s leading scorer at 15.1 points a game, ahead of Perry Ellis (12.9), who had six points versus OSU in just 18 minutes.

“I talked to him (Wiggins) on the bench today. I talk to him every day at practice. I talk to him every day when we are not at practice,” Black said. “You are going to have a bad game. We are all human. Nobody is going to be perfect. You are going to have actually more than one bad game. The thing about it is, how do you bounce back? Or if your shot isn’t falling, what other things are you doing to help the team? That’s what I talked to him about today (during OSU game). When your shot is not falling, rebound the ball, get some deflections, use your athleticism, do some other things you are capable of, because he’s a very talented player.”

Black scored eight points off 4-of-5 shooting while playing nine minutes the first half and none the second. He dunked hard after storming down the lane and accepting a pass from junior point guard Naadir Tharpe. That dunk gave KU a 29-15 lead, to the delight of the fans, who forced OSU coach Travis Ford to call a timeout.

Black was asked if he envisioned crowd-pleasing plays like that when he decided to transfer from Memphis to KU for his senior season.

“When I transferred, I was looking at the big picture,” the 6-9 forward said. “One dunk doesn’t win a lot of games. My main goal was to come to a program where we had an opportunity to win big. You see what we’re doing right now (4-0 in league with wins in seven of the past eight games).”

Of point guard Tharpe, who had 21 points Saturday after scoring 23 versus Iowa State on Monday, Black said: “Fantastic. A guy like him, being one of our leaders ... he’s been in the program awhile. We expect him to step up to the plate like that. Really and truly, we wouldn’t have won the game (vs. OSU) without him. We need him every night; every night, the same thing.”

An unsung hero Saturday might have been sophomore forward Jamari Traylor, who had nine points and three boards in 19 minutes. Black and Traylor like being on the court at the same time.

“It’s chemistry,” Black said with a smile. “Me and Jamari are cool and have a relationship beyond the court. We’re from similar backgrounds, understand each other. It helps our relationship and actually shows and displays itself on the court, our feeling for one another.”

Tidbits: Self is 11-4 all-time against Baylor, including 11-3 while at KU; BU’s Scott Drew is 3-11 versus KU. ... BU, which trails KU 19-4 all-time, has won two of the last three meetings — in Waco last year and in the 2012 Big 12 tournament. ... BU has lost by an average of 16.5 ppg in its 11 setbacks in Lawrence. The closest BU has come to winning here was an 81-75 loss on Jan. 20, 2010. That BU team went to the Elite Eight. ... The Bears’ other two wins vs. KU were on Feb. 12, 2001, in Waco and March 12, 2009, in Oklahoma City. ... Prior to last season’s win in its final regular-season game, BU had lost 12 consecutive regular-season games vs. KU by an average of 16.3 ppg. ... Heslip has made multiple threes in 14 of 15 games in which he has attempted at least three treys. He holds the school record with a 42.9 career three-point percentage and ranks fourth with 229 career threes made. ... Heslip averages one turnover every 74.6 minutes played. ... Isaiah Austin is tied with Willie Sublett for sixth in BU history with 106 career blocks. He needs 28 more to pass Ekpe Udoh (133) for fifth place. He’s scored in double figures in 10 of his last 11 starts. ... Ish Wainright, a freshman out of Raytown (Mo.) South High and Montrose Christian in Maryland, has 13 assists and three turnovers in 66 minutes played over his last six games. Prior to that, he had 15 assists and 20 turnovers in 148 minutes played over his first 11 collegiate games.

Comments

Steve Zimmerman 11 months ago

Dear Mr. Black, I hope you know by now, one dunk does win you respect. More dunks, more respects from fans, from opponents, from NBA draft officials. A guy like you, as you know, should be playing like that night vs OSU. You don't settle with bunny hops!! That power-dribble straight-up dunk should be used more & more. You are that powerful!

I'm glad to see how many dunks we saw vs OSU, I really hope our team starts to feel the joy of doing it more and more (especially Ellis). This is KU, where basketball was invented, they should play at a high level of basketball game like vs OSU. It was the most exciting game - lots of SC TOP-10 highlights - I've ever watched this season so far.. except the fact that Wiggins...

We have sent a clear message: KU is ready. Here's to another B12 champion! ROCK CHALK!!!

Scott Yessen 11 months ago

Tarik deserves as much of the credit for Joel's progress as anyone. He brings toughness and and more than anything, a great attitude especially when things aren't going well. In my opinion, he has done his job with this team....so far.

Dirk Medema 11 months ago

When Jo got ejected, Tarik caught him as he walked past the bench and had him sit next to him. They later came to make Jo leave the court, but Tarik didn't leave him hanging earlier, and started talking him back up before the officials came back. He addition this season may be the last piece that takes us over/to the top.

Brett McCabe 11 months ago

Listened to Black in the post-game and that guy has a long future ahead as a sportscaster. Sharp, funny and confident. He'll be even better on the mic once he makes broadcasting his craft.

Until then, keep bringing it!

Titus Canby 11 months ago

I was thinking the same thing about him being a sportscaster, hopefully after a nice NBA career. He's incredibly articulate and his answers aren't just the standard cliches. I'm impressed.

Dirk Medema 11 months ago

I was thinking of him on the end of the bench. Self has brought Jerrence along.

Danny Hernandez 11 months ago

The best part of Tarik's maturity is that he didn't sulk when he wasn't starting or getting benched. He's a true leader and I for one am glad he chose to play his final year for Kansas. He's a great teammate and knows how to talk to Wiggins, Selden or any of our other talented freshman. Tarik could only get 1 minute a game and he wouldn't sulk.

By the way, what's going on with Andrew White? I was sure he'd be contributing 8-10 minutes a game this year. His D is better than average.

Brianna Zaleski 11 months ago

You'd better believe his D IS the problem. And the fact that he can't hit an open shot when he is in there. My money is on him transferring.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

Can we just stop with the transfer stuff? Please? Come on, people. we scream and cry about players who aren't willing to sacrifice, put in the work and be ready when their time comes and now we all think that if he isn't getting major minutes as an unready sophomore that he should go be a "me-first" player and transfer?

Maybe the guy actually appreciates playing for the University of Kansas. Maybe he actually thinks that this coaching staff and training staff are one of the best in the business. Maybe he actually thinks that he would rather contribute here for 1-2 years, learning and winning along the way, than get major minutes at some smaller school.

He gets more out of PRACTICE at Kansas than he would get playing as a starter at some small mid major school. Let's stop trying to run him out of town. I admire the hard work that the staff reports that he is doing and I look forward to seeing it pay off for him .Think about how satisfying it will be for him if he is able to work himself into the rotation. I would personally give him a standing "O" on every shot if he were to be a regular player in the next two years.

Jack Wilson 11 months ago

Benz: Your point is a good one in that we don't know what's going through his mind. You said "maybe" he appreciates being here. Sure. Conner Teahan did it. But it's easy to put 2 + 2 together here.

And no one's trying to run White out of town. Again, you mistake simple discussion in favor of the narrative you choose to write about.

It's really just a numbers game. You said that he may get more out of practice than starting at a "small mid-major."

White only gets to do this once. So far, in 1 1/2 seasons, he's played very little. He was a top 50 guy ... not a player that would be relegated to play at a small mid major. Self said that his off season work was excellent.

Self then recruits over him, signing Wiggins. That happens. Then Self essentially does it again with Oubre. That happens. But White has to do what's best for him. The numbers game makes it appear that he might not play next season, particularly when Self seems to be favoring two freshmen -- CF and Greene -- for the 5th perimeter player scrap minutes.

If it appears to White that he won't start in his junior season, he definitely should transfer. I hope the best for the kid. As mentioned, he only gets to do this once. Guys don't come to college to practice. They want and deserve to play -- deserve in the sense of personal fulfillment (as opposed to beating out the competition). Sitting as a freshman, ok. As a sophomore, maybe. But as a junior, as a top 50 guy, no way. Right now, the writing is on the wall.

Brianna Zaleski 11 months ago

I couldn't have replied better if I tried. I am definitely not trying to run AWIII out of town. I hope he red-shirts and sticks it out. However, with the way Self is recruiting and with how AWIII is getting minimal mins and not taking advantage of the ones he's been given, the writing is on the wall, IMO. And really, my statements about him transferring are my feelings about what is best for him. He's an athlete, a basketball player. He wants to play basketball... in games. Nobody wants to be recruited to practice, not even at Kansas. His best chance at that, appears, to be elsewhere.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

Let's compare two sophomore seasons at KU:

A) 6.2 minutes per game, 2.3 points per game, 1.8 rebounds per game B) 8.9 minutes per game, 4.1 points per game, 1.8 rebounds per game

Thank goodness Player A, Jeff Withey, chose to stick it out instead of thinking that his best chance "appears to be elsewhere"... Here's hoping that Player B, Andrew White, makes the same realization.

Walter Bridges 11 months ago

Player A Jeff Withey TRANSFERRED from Arizona!! He did NOT stick it out. He packed his bags and left.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

This is beyond simple discussion. When enough fans start to question it, it starts to become a topic from the MEDIA. When the media starts talking about it, the players ears catch wind of it. If he wasn't thinking about it before, he might be after that. If he was thinking about it, he just thinks about it more.

Why SHOULD he transfer? We don't know what he wants out of his time here at Kansas. From everything I have read and statements he has made, he is happy here.

Players don't DESERVE to play, they deserve to be given the opportunity to earn the RIGHT to play.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

It boggles my brain that the same people that get frustrated by the lack of experience and maturity of this team actually want a player to leave the program to do "what's best for him". So what if White never gets to be a starter? Maybe two years from now he is the experienced senior that comes off the bench and provides valuable stability and leadership along with a deadly three and solid defense.

The kid doesn't have lights out NBA talent; if he plays pro it will be overseas somewhere. Coming off the bench at Kansas isn't preventing him from still attaining that. Why not train against better teammates, work with better coaches and compete for better accomplishments?

Jack Wilson 11 months ago

Benz: It boggles my mind, really, how you approach discussions. Anyway, you predictably continue to respond to straw man arguments. That is, arguments no one is making.

No one wants AW3 to leave. I sure as heck don't. Who said that? Who said they want AW3 to leave? That's a strawman.

Regardless, your comparison to Withey is irrelevant. Who did we land in recruiting to play over him at the center position. Right, no one.

And yes, players deserve to play ... as a I noted (if you caught my qualification there), that they don't deserve to play from a competition standpoint, but from a personal fulfillment standpoint, they do. I'm not sure that even registers with you. You act like the guy in a conversation that is waiting to talk more than listening (or reading in this case).

If he desires playing time. If he wants to play in college basketball games. And if his prospects are bleak here. Then he should consider transferring. Pretty simple.

So you know, Jesse Newell asked him about the transfer topic a few weeks ago. His vague answer is perhaps what Suzi is referring to.

Would you advise your son who had worked his entire life to play college basketball and to potentially play professional basketball to waste away on the bench, when he could be playing elsewhere? Further, as I'd mentioned, this isn't all about that .. it's also about enjoyment and fulfillment. He goes through this one time. Four seasons. As is, he'll have two season left to play.

If there weren't players ahead of him, as your Withey example illustrates, this would be a different discussion. But as of now, for the three perimeter spots, he's behind Tharpe, Mason, Greene, Frankamp, Oubre (#10 player), and Selden if he comes back.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

"And yes, players deserve to play ... as a I noted (if you caught my qualification there), that they don't deserve to play from a competition standpoint, but from a personal fulfillment standpoint, they do."

"Personal fulfillment?" As an athlete, "personal fulfillment" is when you set a goal, put in the work to achieve that goal and eventually reach that goal. Andrew White likely set "contribute to the Kansas basketball program" as a goal when he signed his LOI and reported to school. Some goals are easy to accomplish. Some goals are very difficult .Some goals are never achieved.

"Would you advise your son who had worked his entire life to play college basketball and to potentially play professional basketball to waste away on the bench, when he could be playing elsewhere? "

If my son's goal was to play for and contribute to the University of Kansas basketball program then YES, I would. I would help him finds ways that he could achieve his goal, not advise his to give up on his goal. I teach my child that how you pursue a goal is more important than the accomplishment of that goal.

Getting starter minutes now at a different school may give him the "satisfaction now" but giving up on a goal for "satisfaction now" is a decision that has lifelong impacts. Averaging ten more points a year does not.

"I'm not sure that even registers with you. You act like the guy in a conversation that is waiting to talk more than listening (or reading in this case)."

I am sorry that you feel that you are so intelligent that anyone who doesn't agree with you is simply "not listening". We come from different vantage points and different experiences fuel our viewpoints. That's all. I believe that an athlete should work as hard as they can to achieve their goal and not quit on it at the first sign that it might be even more difficult than originally anticipated. You obviously feel differently.

Kye Clark 11 months ago

"I am sorry that you feel that you are so intelligent that anyone who doesn't agree with you is simply "not listening"."

No, pretty much everybody is hip to your act. The board antagonist. Someone says something you don't like, and you attack them, even if it means twisting and distorting their original point.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

I wasn't aware that only positive posts were allowed here. I will try to be nicer so no one gets their panties in a wad. Maybe someone can just post the rules so that anyone outside of the regular clique can be aware before they step on any toes...

Like I said, the fan rumblings about White transferring got loud enough that a local reporter actually brought up the point to White in a interview. That is unacceptable. In no way, shape or form should we be feeding into that at all.

How about if we go with "I sure hope that White gets a chance to prove what he's capable of" message. Seeing White accomplish all of his goals at Kansas benefits both him and the team.

I'll just ignore the posts about transfers from here on out. That, whining about refs and playing time are my pet peeves. Again, so sorry to hurt your feelings.

Kye Clark 11 months ago

There you go again. Nowhere did I have to say all posts have to be positive. But, as other posters (HEM) have noted, you pick fights that aren't there.

As for "the fan rumblings about White transferring got loud enough that a local reporter actually brought up the point to White in a interview", you are assuming that members of the media aren't capable of making the same (and in this case, obvious) connections that the fans on the board are. You assume that the reporter wouldn't have had an inkling as to the notion without reading what the board rats post here.

But since you're deeming what's acceptable and what's not, maybe you should write the rules that you said we need in the post below. Sorry if we offended your delicate sensibilities about AW3's time here.

Rodney Crain 11 months ago

Hmmmm wonder where I have heard this before about Benz... Kye I agree with you.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

No, you just slam anything that I say that isn't "I agree oh great and mighty poster". It's the same thing.

I assume only that KU fans would want to do everything in their power to help the team and nothing that could in any remote way do anything to harm the team. I am not saying what is or is not acceptable; merely that it is surprising what other people are comfortable doing. Am I overly paranoid about the possible backlash? Sure, by it doesn't mean it is unwarranted. I'd rather be overly careful when it come to the psyche of college aged athletes under a tremendous amount of pressure. That's just me.

Brianna Zaleski 11 months ago

"Like I said, the fan rumblings about White transferring got loud enough that a local reporter actually brought up the point to White in a interview. That is unacceptable. In no way, shape or form should we be feeding into that at all".

Absolutely ridiculous comment, Benz. Do you think Jesse Newell is not capable of discerning that a player might or might not be considering transferring without help from online posters? Moreover, do you think JN can't see the writing on the wall or the potential writing on the wall? The reason JN brought it up is because there is a logjam at guard for us this year and next year at least. CF and BG are being given the mins over White. This is an issue that is coming and JN wouldn't be worth his salt as a reporter if he couldn't come to this conclusion himself.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

Without help? No, but why feed the fire? It can be assumed that the Kansas Jayhawks could win a home basketball game without any fans attending the game. Does it mean that we should stop going? It can be assumed that this year's team might even communicate better on defense if the fans weren't yelling so darn loud. Should we stop doing that?

I am not saying it is a certainty, I just don't like to see KU fans ever feeling that the best place for a KU player might be somewhere else, especially when you have zero clue as to what is goals are.

Brianna Zaleski 11 months ago

Look dude, I'm a huge KU fan too, I just realize that it might not be the best for EVERY player. To say that a player might flourish elsewhere because of more opportunities, is not detrimental to the kid or our school. It's just being realistic and hoping that player find success... Even if its not in Lawrence.
If AWIII sticks around (which I would encourage as well as take a redshirt), do you honestly see him playing in front of the current set of guards we have now (sub Wigs for Ourbe next year)? If so, we are underachieving. Greene is really talented and figures to be in Self s long term plans for sure. CF is a fearless sharpshooter who will only get more deadly each year. I don't know much about Ourbe, but I don't see White out playing a 5 star, top 10 recruit.
Tell me where the mins are?! At practice?!

Walter Bridges 11 months ago

Funny that Andrew White III is shooting over 46% from the floor and 37% from the three. Not outstanding numbers but certainly he is capable of hitting open shots.

Walter Bridges 11 months ago

Nobody gets more out of PRACTICE then they do by actually playing in games. AW3's final ranking was #42 Scout and #51 Rivals and could have gone to several schools. He received offers from Texas, Georgetown, Oklahoma State, Georgia Tech and quite a few others. None of these schools are small mid-majors.

He didn't come here to sit on the bench. He said he chose KU primarily “because of the opportunity. It wasn’t because of the hype that comes with Kansas. Seeing them play on TV, I see an opportunity to play as a freshman, and their style fits my strengths.” White is the type of player who has excelled at Kansas and often form the nucleus of the type of teams HCBS has had in the past.

I don't understand your need to tell anyone to stop voicing their opinion even someone as clueless as Brianna. At this point, with Kelly Oubre coming in and I don't see Selden going into the draft, where does that leave him for next year? Redshirting - so he can keep getting that PRACTICE?

Benz Junque 11 months ago

Whatever. So long, Andrew. Take Frankamp with you. He's probably "better off" elsewhere as well...

Benz Junque 11 months ago

I sure am glad the 2012 KU team that played for the national title had more dedication to their goals that some folks on here do.

Elijah Johnson: I remember these same conversations about him his first two years as many KU fans blasted Self for wasting his talents on the bench. His patience and work were rewarded. Travis Releford: Finally a full time starter his senior year, went from role player in spot minutes to our best on ball defender, likely through HARD WORK IN PRACTICE guarding great players. Jeff Withey: sucked so bad as a soph most KU fans never thought he would be even a good rotational player let alone the record holder for most blocks in an NCAA tourney EVER followed the next year by being in the running for NDPOY. T-Rob: runner up for national POY in his first year as a starter. Would have been first big off the bench that year had the Morris twins not left early for the NBA, including Markieff who most were shocked left early. Kevin Young: seriously? Dude was shagging balls for some women's JUCO team or something like that a few years earlier. Came to KU to be a part of it and learn and ended up as a starter on a Final Four team.

The history of KU favorites is lined with players that waited their turn and put in the work. Darnell Jackson is one of my all time favorites. I just hope that Greene follows their example and puts in the work. If he is as "me first, right now" as it appears that so many people in our fan base apparently are, then he will be transferring.

My guess is that people are just bracing for the disappointment now so that if it happens they won't be as shocked and bummed. If they are wrong then they are pleasantly surprised. Kinda like the folks that thought playing a bad game against SDSU meant KU was going to go 9-9 in conference.

Brianna Zaleski 11 months ago

You are on a roll with the hyperbole... I've fed this troll long enough

Walter Bridges 11 months ago

" T-Rob: runner up for national POY in his first year as a starter. Would have been first big off the bench that year had the Morris twins not left early for the NBA"

But they did and TRob excelled. Would he have been POY runner-up if he came off the bench? Why do coaches try to imitate real playing conditions, even bringing in speakers to simulate noise conditions?

And I don't get your entire last paragraph..maybe you can dig up some examples. Here's a comment I remember..I'll leave it at Anonymous:

That was not good. KU came out AGAIN and started the game with two straight turnovers and it went down hill from there. They missed a ton of bunnies largely because they were scared of getting their shots blocked by the long armed SDSU players who swatted a number of shots and influenced many more. KU does not look good. At all.

They honestly have regressed in the last month. Their complete lack of awareness in blocking out was the most startling. At what point do you realize that SDSU keep putting back missed shot after missed shot and put a body on a guy? Those players should be pretty embarrassed with their efforts at that end of the floor.

Walter Bridges 11 months ago

Benz..honestly, I would hate to see him go. I think he has it in him to be one hell of a player but you're a smart guy, where do you see him breaking into the lineup?

Next year's guards include Naa, Mason, Greene Selden, Kelly Oubre and maybe Frankamp if he doesn't redshirt. KU could have 7 top-50 guards. White lives right up the road when I taught school in Chesterfield. I wanted to see him be the 1st option but it hasn't happened.

Walter Bridges 11 months ago

Kevin Young NEVER started in the Final Four. Now you're just making things up.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

Nobody gets more out of PRACTICE then they do by actually playing in games.

I disagree big time. Practice against Embiid and Black and the coaching that accompanies it is more valuable to Lucas right now than playing 10-15 minutes against the backups of some PAC 12 team if he were to transfer back out to the Pacific NW.

Brianna Zaleski 11 months ago

And why am I clueless, Walter? Is it because I'm a woman? That's sex discrimination, Walter. I should have known, men are pigs!!!

Walter Bridges 11 months ago

Brianna, I apologize for the rude unwarranted comment..

I'll do better in the future.

Suzi Marshall 11 months ago

I really like Tarik alot as well. He's always positive no matter the obsticles and looks out for his team mates, He's the kind of guy we need in the military leading troops in the field.

I've been wondering for a long time now about AWIII, I also feel like the transfer thing is in the works. Self will not play anyone knowing he plans to transfer.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

Self will not play anyone who isn't ready to contribute. Period. If Whte was the best choice right now, Self would play him.

And for crying out loud, we have had a ton of close games against elite competition all in a row. Even the guy AHEAD of White in the rotation (Greene) isn't getting many minutes right now. Our Big 12 schedule is majorly front loaded. Once we get into the TCU/TT/WV/UT portion of the schedule I would bet both Greene and White play more.

Brianna Zaleski 11 months ago

"And for crying out loud, we have had a ton of close games against elite competition all in a row. Even the guy AHEAD of White in the rotation (Greene) isn't getting many minutes right now. Our Big 12 schedule is majorly front loaded. Once we get into the TCU/TT/WV/UT portion of the schedule I would bet both Greene and White play more."

You do have a point here. But I think Self lets Greene and CF get the first crack at meaningful mins in mop up games.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

Someone has to get first crack. I would assume that Self is using a more selective reaasoning than "eenie, meenie, miny, mo" to pick who goes out there first off the bench. White has the chance to earn the spot. If he cannot beat out Greene and Frankamp for that spot they why should he be out there?

Does anyone really think that Self has some type of favoritism of Greene and Frankamp over White and that is the reason he plays then instead of White? I seriously doubt it.

Jack Wilson 11 months ago

Benz: Would you not agree though ... hypothetically ... if Self knows White is going to transfer, that Self would not play him over CF or Greene if the margin of difference between them is not that discernible? Again, hypothetically.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

If I am required to answer purely that hypothetical question then yes. But I think the odds of that being the case are 0.000001%.

Walter Bridges 11 months ago

I know a bookie here in NYC...I'll take that bet : )

Matt Spitzli 11 months ago

I expect to see Mr. Black on some D-1 coaching staff, down the road.

Brad Farha 11 months ago

I want to see him as a Tight End next year with the Jayhawks.

Bryce Landon 11 months ago

I remember how someone said we'd start off 1-4 in conference after the SDSU loss. We are now 4-0 in the league. I'd say that SDSU loss, as ugly and painful and disgusting as it was to watch, has brought us together as a team.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

How tough is the Big 12 this year? Here a breakdown of this week's AP Top 25:

Big 12: 6 teams (of the 10 in the conference) Big 10: 5 teams (of the 12 in the conference) ACC: 3 teams (of the 15 in the conference) AAC: 3 teams (of the 10 in the conference) SEC: 2 teams (of the 14 in the conference) Atlantic 10: 2 teams (of the 13 in the conference) Pac 12: 1 team (of the 12 in the conference) Big East: 1 team (of the 10 in the conference) MVC: 1 team (of the 10 in the conference) MWC: 1 team (of the 11 in the conference)

Ranked Big 12 teams have TEN GAMES against conference opponents currently ranked. That's insane.

Bryce Landon 11 months ago

I hope we wear red tonight against Baylor. No way red conflicts with Baylor's green.

Lance Cheney 11 months ago

WE LOST TO BAYLOR ON SATURDAY??? Oh wait, I was just looking at the outdated picture that seems to accompany every article on here. My bad.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

It WOULD be nice if they could at least take 5 seconds and edit the caption of the photo if they are going to reuse it for a story.

Kye Clark 11 months ago

For those following the AW3 discussion, here's the position Benz has set himself in: if AW3 doesn't transfer, then he comes on the boards and chastises everybody for speculating on it all year. "I was right, you are all stupid for thinking he was going to transfer." If he does transfer, then he comes on the boards and chastises everybody for making it a reality. "I told you when enough fans start to question it, it starts to become a topic from the MEDIA. When the media starts talking about it, the players ears catch wind of it. Well he caught wind of it, that you all didn't want him here, and now he's gone. Good job, I hope you're proud of yourselves for running him off. I tried to get you to stop bringing it up, but you wouldn't listen, and now he's gone."

Either way, he's already playing the long game with this topic to give himself another excuse to antagonize the posters. Although not sure why he bothers; doesn't seem like he ever really needs an excuse.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

Wow, I'm famous.

Tell me what I am thinking now, this is fun.

Luca Rossi 11 months ago

RockkChalkk Thoughts:

1) Smart is ridiculous. Does he think he's playing soccer with the flopping and acting jobs he was doing? Time to turn in your man card bro. Its unfortunate he felt that he couldn't win against KU straight up and felt the need to pull those shenanigans. Hope he enrolled in a few theater classes at school so he can keep his GPA up.

2) Doug Gottlieb is even more ridiculous. His continual anti-Kansas comments are getting out of hand. Why even try to hide it anymore? Its unprofessional the way he takes his biased side against them during commentary and play by play with everything he says.

3) Game clock management: This was an issue I had with the team a week ago and has seemed to improve. Its not great yet but its getting better.

4) Turnovers: Still an issue. Needs to be corrected or it will be the downfall of this team in March.

5) Brannen Greene: Still needs more minutes. The guy hits a greater percentage of his shots in the game when compared to Frankamp and obvoiusly White. His D is decent and brings great energy.

6) Big Man Combos: I thought Black and Traylor had good chemistry playing together on the inside. I'd like to see more of them on the court together. Hopefully Self sees it too and works his substitution pattern to allow for it.

7) Pay Heed! Pay heed to Tarik Black's words about taking Baylor too lightly tonight. They are a good team that is reeling lately. Take them out of the game early and finish off this great streak of big wins against ranked opponents.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

1) What boggles my brain as well is that referees have to be aware of this, yet they still get duped by him. They watch games of these teams to prep for the games they will call. They had to know it was coming. My 10 year old saw the replay and asked "what is he doing?" and she's never played the game in her life. How do they allow themselves to get so easily fooled?

Benz Junque 11 months ago

5) Whose minutes should Greene have? I don't see a roster that includes both Wiggins AND Greene on the floor at the same time. I know you said Frankamp, but weren't people just calling for HIM to get more minutes a few games ago? And White isn't getting any minutes so there aren't any of his minutes to take. If Greene is going to take minutes, it's going to be from WIGGINS and does anyone want to make that switch defensively?

Next year. Oubre is coming in to "replace" Wiggins but I think he will play less significantly less minutes than what Wiggins is getting. Even when Wiggins is spacing out on offense and would normally be pulled, he is playing lights out lock down defense. Since he is the only one of the only guys on the team to be doing this on a regular basis it appears that Self is very reluctant to take him out.

Next year I think both Greene and White will get many more minutes as I don't expect Oubre to be near the defender that Wiggins is right out of the gate. Odds are that Greene and White will be better defenders than him when next season starts, justifying more minutes since there is probably no drop off at that end of the floor.

Brianna Zaleski 11 months ago

Next year. Oubre is coming in to "replace" Wiggins but I think he will play less significantly less minutes than what Wiggins is getting. Even when Wiggins is spacing out on offense and would normally be pulled, he is playing lights out lock down defense. Since he is the only one of the only guys on the team to be doing this on a regular basis it appears that Self is very reluctant to take him out.

You are spot on about this. However, Greene and CF are getting those mins, not all 3. HCBS has a history of squeezing out talent that just doesn't fit, ala Micah Downs, Galindo, other shooters who couldn't be made to defend to Self's standards.... It's not personal, it's just the way things are sometime.

Benz Junque 11 months ago

You envision a lineup with Tharpe, Selden, Frankamp, Ellis and Alexander at the same time? We better be playing against some shorties. CF is a generous 6 feet tall or so. White is an easy 6'5". CF is going to be backing up Tharpe and Selden, not Oubre.

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