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San Diego State defeats Kansas, 61-57

  • 3:30 p.m., Jan. 5, 2014
  • Allen Fieldhouse, Lawrence, KS

Sunday, January 5, 2014

Offensively challenged Jayhawks suffer rare home loss, 61-57 to San Diego State

A row of unhappy faces fill the student section as San Diego State grabs the victory on Sunday, Jan. 5, 2013 at Allen Fieldhouse.

A row of unhappy faces fill the student section as San Diego State grabs the victory on Sunday, Jan. 5, 2013 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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Kansas University junior floor leader Naadir Tharpe figures some soul-searching is in order following a once-in-seven-years occurrence — a home non-conference loss in Allen Fieldhouse.

“On Monday, I’m going to ask the guys, ‘How much do we really care about what’s on the front of our jersey? How much do we care about winning (for Kansas)?’” Tharpe said after Sunday’s 61-57 loss to San Diego State, KU’s first at home to a non-Big 12 foe since a 78-71 setback to Oral Roberts on Nov. 15, 2006.

The streak encompassed 68 games.

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KU coach Bill Self discusses his team's 61-57 loss to No. 21 San Diego State

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“I’ve been here a long time. Some of the guys ahead of me (on depth chart his first two years at KU) ... tears came down dudes’ eyes when we lost. I know nobody on this team wants to lose. Everybody, including myself, has to bring more to the table,” Tharpe added.

Tharpe, who was playing on a tender ankle that he sprained at practice Wednesday, was as cold as the frigid weather outside, missing eight of 10 shots on a day the Jayhawks hit a historically-low 29.8 percent of their shots.

It’s the worst shooting performance by a KU team in Allen since field goals and field goal attempts became an official stat in 1988-89.

“I thought, of course, our offense was totally inept, in large part because they really guard,” Self said of the No. 21-ranked (12-1) Aztecs. “There was definitely a lid (on basket), the biggest lid was they really guard. We made five shots outside of six inches — four threes (in 16 tries) and Frank (Mason) made a long two. Those are the only shots we made that were not layups. It’s hard to win if can’t make the defense pay for sagging.”

Of course, the shooting wasn’t the only problem. San Diego State outrebounded No. 16-ranked KU, 51-39.

“Rebounding we were obviously gawd-awful,” Self said, “and they whipped us physically. Still, we had a chance and the crowd tried to help us (cheering wildly down the stretch).”

One foiled chance came when the Jayhawks, who were down by as many as 11 (38-27 at 13:44 and 42-31 at 10:31), cut it to 57-55 following a Mason three with 1:21 left.

After a missed shot, KU rebounded, but the ball slipped through Mason’s hands as he was beginning to accelerate on the break. KU suffered had a big turnover with just under a minute left.

“Frank’s got the ball in transition and just loses it. I don’t know how. He said it slipped out of his hands,” Self said.

Next, with :46 left and KU still down two, the officials had to visit the monitor before ruling that a rebound had gone off KU freshman Joel Embiid out of bounds. San Diego State kept possession to a booing crowd’s dismay.

“It’s hard for me to be upset with officials if they look at it. They are not going to call it the wrong way on purpose. It obviously was off us,” Self said. “What I was hoping for, what I told John (ref, Higgins) ... I said, ‘If it takes six eyes and you can’t figure it out, at least we know it’s indisputable. So if it’s indisputable, call it a jump ball.’ The possession arrow was ours,” Self added with a smile.

“I guarantee you it was the right call. I don’t even have to look at it. No way they would miss that with three guys looking at it.”

KU had additional chances to force overtime.

JJ O’Brien missed the front end of a one-and-one at :34.6, KU gaining possession and calling time out at :20, still down two.

Perry Ellis (four points, 1-8 shooting) accepted the ball up high and was fouled on a drive. He made the first free throw, and after a San Diego State time out, missed the second at 11.9 seconds, as KU trailed, 57-56.

“Perry had a chance to make the free throw late, but you hate to put it on one free throw or one guy because there are 1,000 plays in a game that can help change the outcome,” Self said. “Everything is magnified late and we just didn’t get it done.”

Next, Xavier Thames (16 points, 5-16 shooting, 4-4 free throws) cashed two free throws at 8.3 seconds to give the Aztecs a 59-56 lead.

KU, in theory had a chance to tie, but S.D. State coach Fisher had an Aztec foul Mason at 5.7 seconds rather than let KU launch a possible game-tying three.

Mason missed the first free throw and hit the second.

Down 59-57, KU again fouled Thames at 4.6 seconds and he hit a pair of charities to wrap up the victory.

“The difference is this, and it’s something minor, but twice we put two guys on Thames on out of bounds under spot throw-ins and he still caught it,” Self said of the senior standout. “All we had to do was make somebody else catch it and they throw it to their best free-throw shooter and of course he’s going to make them because he’s clutch. That’s the difference. He just wanted the ball and we have to make our guys want the ball like that. That was just young guys playing against old guys and they just knew how to compete better down the stretch.”

Freshmen Andrew Wiggins and Wayne Selden went a combined 6-of-22 from the field, good for 20 points. Only Mason (4-8, 14 points) and Joel Embiid (3-5, 12 points) shot 50 percent or better for KU, which fell to 9-4 heading into Wednesday’s 6 p.m., Big 12 opener at Oklahoma.

“We’re a target,” Tharpe said, “everybody’s going to give us their best shot, especially in the league. “We can’t dwell on this. We have to focus in on what coach says, be in tune with what coach is saying and do everything we can to win.”

Comments

DaNeille Davis 3 months, 1 week ago

I hate to say this but I don't like this team. Mainly the freshmen. I don't think they care about the name on the front of their Jersey...only the name on back. Wiggins has been a huge disappointment. He's not playing like he's capable of doing.

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Allen Dimick 3 months, 1 week ago

Great game, best of luck the rest of the year.

Go Aztecs!

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Benz Junque 3 months, 1 week ago

Now that a day has passsed to calm down, does anyone realize that KU shot their worst FG% game in about 25 years and still had a free throw to tie with 12 seconds left against an elite, ranked team? Imagine when their shots start falling, because they aren't going to shoot 30% for the rest of the season.

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Suzi Marshall 3 months, 1 week ago

HEM, we looked for that in our after-action game review. SDSU packed it in tight and gave us the outside shot. For intance when they doubled the post on the block with OBrian and Davis, Spenser was left in the middle to cover cutters to the hoop. Shepard would cover the kick back to the wing while Thames would hang out on the far elbow. The right play in that case would be to make Shepard committ to the corner to cover the 3 ball while moving our Ellis (or Embiid) to the near elbow for a 14-15 foot jumper. If Spenser came up to shut down the short jumper, a drive or pass to a cutter from the weak side is then open. The problem with all this is Embiid woudl not take the short jumper....and we didn't put anyone on the court to knock down the corner 3 ball.

Look at Wiggin's and Selden's Js! Wiggins puts up a Phil Niekro knuckleball. There is a reason why the knuckleball is the toughest pitch to hit in baseball...nobody knows where it it so. Putting spin on an object to enhance control on a projectile is another reason we rifle the barrel of a weapon. Wiggins is firing a musket ball. How he developed that knuckle /musketball jumper with a father who played in the League and two brothers that plays is beyound me. As for Selden, he looks like he's tossing a medicine up there. The ball goes way back over his head before a final heave toward vacintiy of thehoop.

I don't want to get into the Self criticism game because he's earned a wide swath of respect, but I was surprised he did not give AWIII a good look vs Toledo and SDSU. You are dead nuts on we need either of those guys on the court 15-20 minutes taking about 7-10 shots. I'll take Frankamp at the 2....his D is no worse than Tharpe or Mason.

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Waylon Cook 3 months, 1 week ago

That was so ugly. Ugliest game I have watched in Self-era? I think so. Couldn't hit a shot. I love Self but something is off with him and this team. His rotation makes no sense. We lose to OU and I will seriously be counting down days to football season(ya its that bad)

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Brad Dole 3 months, 1 week ago

It is hard to watch some of these games after being spoiled so many years. I think we will be fine in the long run. I do wish Wiggins would be more aggressive and drive the ball more and finish strong. Our guard play and decision making has to get better if we are going to be a contender in conference play. RCJH

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Nick Rushton 3 months, 1 week ago

All four losses were to teams ranked in the Top-15 as of today. Still haven't decided whether to laugh or cry. Either way, that is some golden game-film to learn from.

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Jack Wilson 3 months, 1 week ago

Number 1 seeds have won 18 of the last 25 national titles.

This season, we just have to hope that the trend does not continue.

So many moving parts here.

One partial fix - simply find 15-17 minutes per game for Brannen Greene. Five from Wiggins, 6 from Selden, and a handful from Mason/Tharpe. That's all. No need for huge changes in the lineup. Let Selden develop. We just have two wings (Selden and Wiggins) that bring the same thing as their strength (slashing and driving).

Again, this is not a cure all. Just a partial fix.

And then just see if the dynamic of having a high level shooter in the game regularly changes the equation a bit. The key is "regularly."


On another point, we were just outcoached in a significant area yesterday. And note to the Self is God group -- this is not a slam. Every coach gets outcoached from time to time. Meaning, he's just a coach. A very good one; but not infallible. Fisher is a great coach, too. There are simply times when coach Self does not react correctly (and many times the analysis is in hindsight). But this is pretty easy.

Fisher had the strategy of doubling our post players and Self did not have an answer. What was our response? To dribble away from the double, to attempt cross court passes, and most importantly, to play passive rather than aggressive. Similar to our approach against the zone press. Playing not to make a mistake.

Let me ask you this: Did you see any perimeter players cutting to the basket when our post players were doubled? There was one time when Ellis hit Mason in the middle of the lane for a hoop off of a double. This wasn’t a cut, though. Mason was just there. The entire game there were no cutters to the basket. This is how you make them pay. They double, and your post player can shoot a pass to a cutter from the perimeter for an easy basket.

This is basketball 101.

Another thing that we did a few times was that we pivoted away from the double teams. What do you do if the offensive player pivots away? You close out and tight the trap. Did we ever try to split the double team?

But what we did, mainly, was play scared and non-aggressive. We routinely dribbled out of the double team, away from the hoop. Ellis and Embiid thus were rendered quite ineffective as they retreated. Ellis went 1-9. Embiid shot the ball a whopping 5 times. Embiid was provoked into a couple of turnovers throwing it across the court. I believe Ellis fumbled the ball away once on a trap.

What else would you expect off the double in the post? A pass to a shooter for a step in three. No dice there, either.

Fisher doubling the post was a main contributor to our poor two point shooting percentage. Not the only reason, but a main contributor.

Score that one to coach Fisher by a knockout.

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RJ King 3 months, 1 week ago

For comparison's sake, the up-to-date Ken Pom rankings show:

(Since spouse is a "Cuse grad, I chose Orange over Arizona.)

Avg Non-Conference opponents:

Kansas = 69.38 Syracuse = 150.46

Avg Conference opponents:

Kansas = 62.77 Syracuse = 64.66

Total Season projects to:

Kansas = 65.66 Syracuse = 100.65

Our competition so far rated over twice as strong. League play about even. I agree that Kansas needs to show more heart and aggressiveness. Their true character will show itself in the next couple of months. This brutal non-con might toughen them up. Or the alternative - they will lack confidence and play scared. I hope these losses don't demoralize, but provide opportunities for growth. Rock Chalk!

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Nick Rushton 3 months, 1 week ago

The four teams we lost to are all really good teams with excellent head coaches and any of these teams could make a serious run in the big dance. Those teams are all obviously more experienced than KU and it goes back to HCBS' quote "men playing against boys".

Note KU HAS LOST THE OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING BATTLE IN ALL FOUR LOSSES by an aggregate of 60-44. At this level, and with that type of coaching, talent, athleticism on display, I believe the difference truly comes down to who wants it more. Nova, CU, UF, and SDSU all wanted it more hence the more offensive boards, loose balls, and W's!

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Doug Mowery 3 months, 1 week ago

I see a team playing with a lack of confidence in their game. They are scared to take shots, passing it off to the next guy. We don't have a go to guy or at least a guy confident enough in being the go to guy. Like to see Wiggins step up and take control of the game, he has the skill.

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Ethan Berger 3 months, 1 week ago

One thing we need to remember is that our SOS has been one of the toughest in years for any teams at least out of conf. Seeing a lot of we finish 4th in our league but do you think Iowa State, OSU and K State would be where they are with our schedule. Before yesterday we had the number 1 RPI as a 3 loss team. It might take more time to gel and it might end our conf streak but do y'all really think it was going to last forever? I do wonder what happened with Greene and white. Sdsu was giving us shots outside the paint, we have to convert and those 2 would help. But its easy for me to look at a game and wonder. I don't have the luxury of watching practices. We have a lot to do but come on our 4 losses have been to good teams, all tea!s with good chances to win their conferences.

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Tommy Kueser 3 months, 1 week ago

I know that it is hard not to jump all over these young Jayhawks, but lets take a look back over the last 5 weeks. It has been a brutal schedule for 18 year old kids. This trial by fire is building character. Brininging them back to earth a bit. I see this paying dividends in March. Patience young grasshopper. Patience.

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Rich Hetherington 3 months, 1 week ago

Three notes from yesterday's game: 1- We were playing well and getting good looks early on in the game. It wasn't even the San Diego St. defense shutting us down, it was simply bad luck. We had drives to the rim that hung on the rim and didn't fall and other jump shots that did the same. 2- After being hit with bad luck shooting, and having a deficit build because of it, most of the players looked a little deflated and it showed in their shot selection, in their defensive intensity and in their aggressiveness at crashing the boards. The team was just too inexperienced to weather a poor (or unlucky) shooting start to the game and let it set the tone for the entire game. 3- I thought I liked Doug Gottlieb when he was on the 4 letter, but last night he seemed so anti-Kansas, it really agitated me! Every time a call could have went either way, he sided with SD St. He seemed animated and thrilled with each put back from SD St, but barely raised his voice for KU buckets. When we made a contested shot it was "ill-advised", whereas when SD St. did the same it was "AMAZING!". Did anyone else feel that way about his commentating? I thought he showed extreme bias and him being an Ok St. alum, I can understand why he's frustrated, but please don't let the angst spill onto the airway!

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Jim Congdon 3 months, 1 week ago

And this isn't even mentioning how Tharpe gave up two consecutive 3-point plays late, when we were on a roll and the crowd was screaming.

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Jim Congdon 3 months, 1 week ago

Just rewatched game in slo-mo and Suzi's early comment is on the money: Whoever Tharpe was guarding at the time was responsible, either by scoring or offensive rebounding, for nearly 25% of San Diego State's points. She called Tharpe the worst defensive guard for KU in memory, and may be right. He is always caught watching the game, rather than boxing out. And even though Self's main rule pre-game to him was "they want to go left and shoot mid-range," Tharpe always fell for the fake right.

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Chase Callahan 3 months, 1 week ago

Can't believe someone is actually posting comments about getting rid of Self. Sorry but that is just silly talk. Otherwise some pretty good comments on here. My opinion at this point is that, yes, this season was going to be tough for any dedicated KU fan (such as myself) because of the age/experience level of this team. However, I did hope/expect to see some improvement coming out of the holiday break. This team has not improved. They lack things which have nothing to do with age.......heart, toughness, intensity, and cohesion. Young or not shooting that low of a percentage is just embarrassing. It is one thing to put 110% on the floor and lose from lack of experience but from tip off the team acted like they just were not ready to play. I am thinking 4th place in the Big 12 (if lucky) and a not sure about the tourney. Hopefully they will make me eat those words.

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Chris Shaw 3 months, 1 week ago

I said after the Florida game that I would like to see Greene in a point forward role like Evan Turner at Ohio State 3 years ago. That most likely will never happen (not until next year at least) heading into conference play, and it might fail miserably, but you don't know unless you try.

I would definitely like to see it just to see how Brannen Greene responds. It might fail, but it also might just surprise someone as well. Totally out of Self's character and monotonous routine, but I would still like to see it.

Anybody remember when Coach K switched everything up and made Jon Scheyer a point guard? Hmmm....I am thinking some type of rotation change is needed on this squad.

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Tony Bandle 3 months, 1 week ago

Down deep, did any of us really think that this season was going to be easy?

Talent aside, almost the youngest team in Division One with one of the toughest schedules.

All four losses to ranked teams by a total of 17 points!

I looked outside and the sky was not falling [lots of snow but no sky].

I choose to remain stalwart with my cup still half full....we still have another twenty or so more lessons to learn before March.

RCJHGOKU!!

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Kevin Huffman 3 months, 1 week ago

We're not the target.

We're 4th in the Big XII. Right now ISU's probably the target. They're undefeated AND (1-0) in conference play.

OSU & Baylor also with better records and ranked ahead of us. They too should be targets.

Tharpe with a bit of an ego saying that "we're a target".

Well, sorry to burst your bubble but whenever a team plays a team - the other team's "a target".

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Rich Hetherington 3 months, 1 week ago

I believe we are really starting to feel the absence of Danny Manning. Last year we had Withey and Young, who had both benefited from learning with Danny. Now we have Ellis, Embiid, Black and Lucas, none of which had the opportunity to spend any time with him. We do have Traylor, who was able to practice with him for half a season, and I think just that time shows in his game from time to time.

I don't want to knock Self or anyone else on the staff, but how much better would Embiid, Ellis, Black and Lucas be if they were able to play with Danny Manning still on the coaching staff? Not to mention Wiggins and AWIII, and additional time with Traylor would have helped those guys too. These players would be better at boxing out, getting rebounds, and making 2nd chance points, plus better at blocking and altering shots. I really miss the big guy... a true Kansas legend both as a player and a coach!

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Steve Williams 3 months, 1 week ago

I think coach is losing this team, and we might not make the tourney, in which case.. He needs to go

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Kristen Brown 3 months, 1 week ago

Eybea great point. I was about to make that argument. Yes we have 4 losses. By the way I would wager there are probably 300 or so other teams in Division 1 who would gladly trade places with us today if we allowed them to. Of those 4 losses two were on last second threes that if shot ten times probably are only made 2 - 3 times. The Florida lost should have been a blow out but this time showed toughness and battled back to make a game of it. Which brings us to this most current loss. The ball wouldn't go into the basket at all. San Diego State had a lot to do with that, but once again when they clock is winding down there we are with multiple chances to win. The hardest part for a young team to learn is to close out games. They will get there. These young men are extremely talented and humble and it will happen. But for us fans to call them "weenies" or say they aren't tough is ludicrous. These kids are busting their hump representing the University of Kansas. They have not had any off the court issues so far this season other than Brannen Greene's issue in the offseason. I saw one poster who made reference to the NIT and was baffled. When I was in elementary school we did a play called Chicken Little and sometimes when I read this message board I get flashbacks to Chicken Little running around yelling how the "Sky is falling!" It is almost like we have been spoiled by the 9 straight conference championships. Someone else made a comment regarding the Thomas Robinson/Tyshawn Taylor lead team being better than this one. Well I would like to present a case against that using the facts. That team had 3 losses after the non-conference schedule was concluded to our 4. With this schedule being much tougher. But it turned into a pretty amazing ride for that team. This team has a much higher ceiling and the number 1 RPI. Which makes me think a more accurate comparison is to the way Tom Izzo usually schedules at Michigan State. He usually has a top 5 RPI will struggle sometime in December and kind of fall of the radar as he is molding his team and then come March while everyone else is falling apart his Spartans are ascending and putting themselves in line to compete for both conference and national championships. And I would argue it's a pretty good formulate he has going over there with all this Final Fours. This team will be fine. Our "shooter" on the bench that everyone is pining for are no good to us if their turnovers and defensive liability give up more points than their 3 pointers will bring us.

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Steve Williams 3 months, 1 week ago

I think it might be time to start re evaluating our coaching staff. Perhaps self has peaked and it's time to move on

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Jim Stauffer 3 months, 1 week ago

Some great comments here. One guy has been watching KU ball for all of 12 years. Spare me your tremendous experience. The comments of the others can all be summed up in " I just don't have the time or patience for these young guys to develop." Fact is, yesterday was a game of men playing against boys. We can only hope our guys become men soon. Our best hope of that is if Bill Self would coach them. Oh, that's right, he is the coach. Once I realize that, I know the players will develop as quickly and completely as they would anywhere in the world and I put my worries aside.

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Asad Zoberi 3 months, 1 week ago

It’s hard to win if can’t make the defense pay for sagging.”

Coach Self, I have a ton of respect for you but I am puzzled by your rotation philosphy. KU did not make them pay for sagging because the guys who can hit the three were on the bench.

All along KU has been struggling to shoot the 3 pointers and all along you have denied the opportunity from two of your best perimeter players. What do you expect when the three point shooters continue to warm the bench.

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Eybea Opiner 3 months, 1 week ago

The core of this team has played a total of 15 college games, including exhibitions. Tharpe and Ellis haven't started before. They have lost 4 games by a total of 17 points, two of which were on threes in the last seconds, and in the other two we were realistically in the game in the last minutes. Don't give up on this team yet.

As to the "shooters" on the bench, Greene only makes 27% of his threes, Frankamp 21%. Greene has contributed 11 fouls and 7 turnovers in his limited minutes, however.

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Joseph Kuebel 3 months, 1 week ago

This is the most disappointing team I have ever seen for KU baaketball. I've been watching KU religiously for the past 12 years and did not even watch this game. Forget this 10 straight conference titles- I'll be happy and overjoyed to even make the NCAA tourney. What a group of weenies. No mental toughness. This is the sorriest Jayhawk team I've watched in my lifetime. I am ao far beyond disappointed that I refuse to even watch- not because I'm a bandwagon fan (in fact I'm the furthest thing from it... It's just not healthy for me to put myself thru this. I'm done we just aren't even close to as good as we thought this year. Kiss the conference champ streak goodbye... Please at least make the NCAA tourney. OSU will beat us twice, I'll be shocked to see this team go 13-5 in conference.

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Matt Spitzli 3 months, 1 week ago

"KU suffered had a big turnover with just under a minute left." Cut "had."

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Jack Jones 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Ah, Suze ~ The game is so easy when you're sitting at home on your sofa, with the remote in your hand, isn't it? Look, I am as disappointed in how our team has played this season (note to myself ~ where did that team that beat Duke disappear to?) ~ but, we have to be realists and accept the fact that this is the least experienced KU team I can recall going back a long, long time. I saw a figure recently comparing the number of D-1 playing time minutes for this team v/s the national average, and it was absurdly low. Bill Self is a great coach ~ but, I would strongly suggest that you don't 'coach' experience ~ just as you don't 'coach' someone to be 7 ft. As a partial answer to the question I asked myself earlier (about the team that beat Duke) ~ this team has a whole bunch of extremely talented individual players ~ whose talent was on full display that particular night ~ and at times in subsequent games ~ and I'm afraid we are guilty of the common sports fan's malady ~ over-hyping our expectations. I believe we couldn't have a better coach to eventually form this group of super talented players into an extremely good team. Good enough to continue our string of Big 12 titles? ~ time and experience will tell. In the meantime, let me suggest that whining and moaning about the team or individual players will accomplish only one thing ~ I guess you will feel better ~ for a moment. Keep the faith.

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Chris Shaw 3 months, 2 weeks ago

I am really struggling with Self's lineup changes. I think what's funny is that fan's in the past have always complained about him not letting guys "Figure It Out". Well, he's certainly letting Wayne Selden figure it out and I think that decision is bringing down this team.

Selden's inability to figure it out through 13 games is a big cause of concern for this team IMO. If Wiggins and Selden can't hit outside jumpers and stretch the D for Embiid and Ellis and take pressure off of Tharpe and Mason...this team is going to continue to struggle from an offensive standpoint.

Selden is 6'5", 230 lbs and he has 36 rebounds for the entire season. He had 1 rebound in 26 minutes last night. The kid is built like a tank, but his inability to be consistent and knock down jumpers is a big downfall to this team right now. It's called a "Shooting Guard" for a reason.

What's even more amazing to me is that Self has 3 of the better shooters in the entire country sitting on the bench getting a combined 3 minutes. How does that stretch the "D" with them sitting on the bench? Non-conference is suppose to be the time to "Figure It Out" and I feel like Self lost a lot of opportunities for Brannen Greene to figure it out.

I can understand AWIII being hurt and bad timing of everything but he could have gotten more opportunities. I mean, I sat court side at the Florida game and AWIII goes for a ball with his teammate and it goes out of his bounds. His Fault? Maybe maybe not, but we haven't seen AWIII since.

Now that conference play is here....Self is going to have to unfortunately figure out a lineup and rotation and stick with it so these kids can build some confidence and figure out what their "Roles" are without looking over their shoulder.

FWIW...In two minutes of play I thought Landen Lucas showed more heart and desire than anybody else on the team. He got two 50/50 balls and an offensive rebound and showed a ton of effort. He may not be the most talented, but the kid is a big body that played well despite missing those two Free Throws. I thought he made the most of his time.

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John Fitzgerald 3 months, 2 weeks ago

I fear this season may be Selfs worst one yet. A lot of talent, but as we're seeing talent doesn't always lead to victory. We lack a severe amount of heart, and until these guys find out what it takes to play with heart, it's going to be tough to beat good teams. Maybe one day it will click and from there they will get it, but I'm not confident heart is something that's learned. They have to find it themselves. Self can only coach the game and keep them inspired, but he cannot motivate them, they must motivate themselves. I pray we overcome this and have a strong conference season. RCJH

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Benz Junque 3 months, 2 weeks ago

That was not good. KU came out AGAIN and started the game with two straight turnovers and it went down hill from there. They missed a ton of bunnies largely because they were scared of getting their shots blocked by the long armed SDSU players who swatted a number of shots and influenced many more.

KU does not look good. At all. They honestly have regressed in the last month. Their complete lack of awareness in blocking out was the most startling. At what point do you realize that SDSU keep putting back missed shot after missed shot and put a body on a guy? Those players should be pretty embarrassed with their efforts at that end of the floor.

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Suzi Marshall 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Gary,

Will you ask what the guys have against dunking the ball! We just finished reviewing the tape and these guys....Selden, Wiggins, Ellis and Black...all seem to prefer touch shots at the rim instead of jamming it down. That mystery rebounding foul called on Black at 14:29 was a play that Black had position for the rebound and should have dunked it off the miss intead of brining it down. Even Embiid, who minutes later had a shot blocked when he tried to ginerly lay it in off the glass instead of forcefully jamming it home.

If you get a chance to look over the tape, notice how SDSU plays big boy style jamming home every opportunity while we play like a group of HS momma's boys.

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Alex Berger 3 months, 2 weeks ago

A few small things our guys need that will come with time and experience:

  • Having a soft touch around the rim on layups (comes with getting used to the speed of the college game)

  • Moving on offense off-ball (would help our PGs out a ton)

  • Not letting the ball stick and keep making extra passes until easy shots open up

  • Boxing out

  • Switching on defense

  • Quick outlet passes after scores and rebounds to get us into the transition game

We just had a really bad shooting night, otherwise that game was there for the taking. SDSU, and other experienced defensive teams, will be the achilles heel of our team this year. I'm glad we are playing these teams in non-conf so that we can get some valuable experience. Hopefully we can get some wins against good teams to help with confidence though.

And Andrew Wiggins - DUNK THE BALL!!!

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Yonatan Negash 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Painful game to watch. It has to get better sooner than later.

I'm not as confident about this team as I was couple months ago.

Personally, I would rather have five guys with a lot of heart then guys that are overly hyped.

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