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Monday, December 1, 2014

Frankamp headed to Wichita State

Former KU guard chooses hometown Shockers

Kansas guard Conner Frankamp pulls up for a shot against UTEP during the first half on Saturday, Nov. 30, 2013 in Paradise Island, Bahamas.

Kansas guard Conner Frankamp pulls up for a shot against UTEP during the first half on Saturday, Nov. 30, 2013 in Paradise Island, Bahamas.

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Former Kansas University basketball guard Conner Frankamp has decided to transfer to Wichita State, Frankamp confirmed in a text message today.

The Wichita sophomore, who is finishing the semester out at Kansas, played one season at KU before leaving the team in October. He averaged 8.5 minutes and 2.5 points per game in 27 appearances during the 2013-14 season.

Frankamp announced before the start of the 2014-15 season that he would leave Kansas to pursue a bigger role.

Frankamp also visited Colorado and Creighton. He will enroll at WSU in time for the second semester and be eligible after the first semester of next school year.

Comments

Glen Miller 3 years, 11 months ago

I thought WSU "didn't want him"...... lol, I knew he'd land there.

Erich Hartmann 3 years, 11 months ago

Wanted to be closer to home. And soft ego, apparently. Not wanting to battle. Maybe not big enough to battle against Oubre, Selden, Svi, Graham...And maybe not tough enough to battle against Mason (or Selden). There simply was no position for him left. And besides, who wants to be the next Witherspoon, when the crowd chants "spoonie! spoonie!" ("frannie! frannie!") when you get your 4min of playing time at the end of blowouts?

Walter Bridges 3 years, 11 months ago

I think he could have competed..he averaged 8.3 mpg last year and with Tharpe (29 mpg) gone and this years 3 pt shooting percentage, he would have had the opportunity to increase his playing time..certainly more than 4 mpg.

I think it was more about confidence than ability. Either way, I guess it doesn't matter. He didn't have what was needed to play at Kansas.

Eric J. Baker 3 years, 11 months ago

Good god, I can't believe he even visited Creighton. As a Wichita kid that had to have felt dirty. I'm so glad he chose WSU.

Erich Hartmann 3 years, 11 months ago

Creighton plays outside-in, and spread 4 out and launch 3s. I'm surprised CF didnt go talk to Fred Hoiberg...but then Fred also is bringing in long-athletics, so CF may be outclassed on Hoiberg's roster, just like he got outclassed on KU's roster. He could be a star in a lesser conference.

Suzi Marshall 3 years, 11 months ago

Self probably learned a heck of a lesson when considering all that was involved in recruiting and keeping CF around. To think we gave up Phil Forte and Marcus Smart because of the commitment to CF.

Brandon Pope 3 years, 11 months ago

I will never lament keep Smart out of a KU uniform

Mark Palmer 3 years, 11 months ago

Agree with Brandon. never wanted smart at KU. he really got OSU a long way in the tourney. plus he is a jackass.

Ian Emerson 3 years, 11 months ago

You you guys crazy!? As a bonafide Celtic fan i completely understand why we drafted him. Heart, body, skill... the things we could have accomplished with him at the point...

Walter Bridges 3 years, 11 months ago

'As a bonafide Celtic fan' Well at least you aren't biased in any way.

Erich Hartmann 3 years, 11 months ago

But Marcus Smart could have benefitted immensely by the strict guidance and structure from Bill Self...

Now we get to see Self create his own 6'5 MickeyD "point guard" with Selden, who is coming along in stepwise fashion. His assists are far ahead of his own scoring so far, but that will come. Poor Smart was on a team he felt he had to do it all, or was selfishly trying to. Travis Ford = the weak link in Smart's OSU tenure...

Erich Hartmann 3 years, 11 months ago

Haha, note to Marcus Smart: Do you want to be like Lance Stephenson, or like DWade?"

Dillon Hayes 3 years, 11 months ago

Lance is a really good player and DWades great player, why wouldn't you?

Erich Hartmann 3 years, 11 months ago

So you missed the Heat-Indiana SemiFinals last year when we had psychoLance, blowing in Lebron's ear, flopping, and saying derogatory things to the media about Heat players? That same Lance who got called into Larry Bird's office, where he told him to "stop it!" point blank, and so Lance goes out the very next game and did something else on the court?! No wonder Bird dumped him off.

Of course Lance is a good player, very talented basketball player...BUT who knows what's going on in his head--what an embarrassing head-case he's becoming. Slapped himself in the face 2weeks ago to draw a foul, that replay was all over ESPN, you missed it?

I'd pick DWade 20times before I'd pick Lance. And I'd rather pick DWade and lose a game than pick Lance even if I won with him. Just another Ron Artest. Or some psychiatric issue...

Marcus Smart better wise up, his 15min might be closing...

Walter Bridges 3 years, 11 months ago

Michael Jordan thought he was worth 27 million for 3 years though psychoLance might be a fair description. Who knows...maybe Jordan gets Kobe to Charlotte w/his deal for Stephenson.

Plus, not so sure 'dumped off' describes what happened accurately.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/michael-jordan-sees-lance-stephenson-as-lebron-stopper/

At this stage in their careers, not sure many NBA execs would trade Stephenson for Wade.

Erich Hartmann 3 years, 11 months ago

Suzy, Ive thought about your phrase "Self learned a heck of a lesson", and just think its not applicable to CF. He didnt do anything for KU. If he stayed, CF himself saw he wasnt going to get the mpg he wanted...why? Because of the tall talent all around him. I think because of Self's recruiting, his roster already played out in front of him in the practice gym: CF got outcompeted by his own teammates--> Why is that a lesson to Self. I thought Self wants only the best players to play. CF wasnt versatile or big enough. That's not a lesson for Self...thats a law of basketball (there's always somebody bigger and better than you...as Cliff and Perry learned about Kentucky).

Scott Yessen 3 years, 11 months ago

Suzi...would Self have had to pull CF's scholarship to offer one to Forte?

Suzi Marshall 3 years, 11 months ago

No. Forte and Smart told Self they wanted to attend Kansas as a package deal. Self already had made a commitment to CF and hence his reluctance to off a scholarship to Forte. At the very end, Self really needed Smart and finally offered a scholarship to Forte but it was too late. Self was in a tough situation and his feelings of obligation to Frankamp cost us Smart...and we never got anything out of CF.

The LJW did an article on Forte's father. a Kansas Alum that played on the football team. www2.kusports.com/news/2013/feb/02/notebook-phil-forte-says-watching-son-play-his-alm/

Ian Emerson 3 years, 11 months ago

Wow, Suzi. What a piece of info i had never been told. Its amazing to think of what our past teams would have looked like if he had recruited Forte and Smart in a package deal. If i remember correctly, Smart and Forte played highscool or AAU ball together?

Jack Wilson 3 years, 11 months ago

I like the recruiting info, but I'm a little lost on the linkage and logic. Why would Self be hesitant to take Forte (who was a year ahead of CF) to keep CF happy? Forte was unranked and CF was top 50?

Further, Self accepted Frank Mason's commitment (in October/2012) before CF had signed on the dotted line (November/2012). Moreover, Self was recruiting top PGs like Barber and Jackson. Self even said in September/2012, again before signing CF, that we needed to sign a PG.

At that time, I thought that was clear indication that Self didn't think of CF as point guard. And making such a statement obviously didn't offend CF, as he signed anyway.

If the discussion then centers on CF as shooting guard, which Forte is listed as, heck, we signed Selden and Greene, both listed as shooting guards, in the same class (though Greene is more of 3).

Thus I'm not sure why an unranked Forte would be any threat to offending CF or threatening his commitment, whether as a PG or SG.

Help me with what I am missing.

Erich Hartmann 3 years, 11 months ago

Agree with your post, as usual. I think CF was simply not versatile enough for Self's purposes. He even said in October this year that CF was "not a PG". He saw what was happening in practices, no doubt, and the now-obvious improvement of Mason, who even when raw, played at a speed and physicality that CF was just NOT capable of, I dont care what all these Wichita people I know had been saying. Its like CF was the great white hope or something (if you listen to that Wichita rhetoric). Im sure now the Wichita spin will be that "we'll take you, CF, just to prove Self wrong". They'd be ignoring the fact, as I posted to Suzi, that Self's current roster just played itself out in practice. CF fell out as not-a-front-line guy. Same as happened to AW3. Or, they were naively asking for a mpg/PT guarantee that earn-your-mpg-Self simply will never commit to pre-season.

Walter Bridges 3 years, 11 months ago

I guess you need to attend KU practice sessions..or have insider info.

Rodney Crain 3 years, 11 months ago

Seems like a lot of discussion after the fact about some recruiting decisions that were mostly subjective. As Jack points out it seems to be off tangent as regard to what facts we know about them too.

CF decision to transfer was due to his PT, where he thought how he fit with our program. It made sense to offer him a scholarship regardless of how it affected the Forte/Smart offer.

I wish him well at WSU he seems like a good teammate and young man. WSU will offer his more playing time due to the weaker competition they face each year, so this makes sense for him too. Being in his hometown will also bring him built in fans who like cheering for the home town star. I think this is the best spot for him to play college ball and reset his career in the sport. I wish him well, but am not sure how much we will miss his play.

Martin Hanna 3 years, 11 months ago

Suzi,

I have seen you make the Smart statement several times on here. You have half of it correct. Forte's father being a Kansas Graduate.

Forte's father gave the Smart family a house to live in for a couple of years at little to no cost when Smart was in high school and part of Forte's AAU team. Since Forte was a graduate of Kansas University the gift would have made Marcus Smart ineligible to come to Kansas University. The coaching staff knew this early on and did not recruit Smart. CF had nothing to do with any offer.

Joe Joseph 3 years, 11 months ago

Do you have a source for this? Sounds like a bit of a stretch.

Suzi Marshall 3 years, 11 months ago

When Smart/Forte were at Flower Mound HS, my son's baseball team played in the FlowerMound HS baseball tournament. Since I was a Kansas grad, I had to ask some of the FM players if they knew anything, hence where I got my information. I heard about the house but understand Self did go hard after Smart but would not offer Forte until very late in the game because of his CF commitment. Nevertheless, you make a good point that a lot goes on with recruiting and very few know the correct story.

Robert Brock 3 years, 11 months ago

Smart's father was charged rent on the Forte landlord's house. There was a question of whether the rent was a fair market-based rent or a special deal. Nothing came of it.

Joe Joseph 3 years, 11 months ago

I hope Conner tears it up at WSU (he will). I also hope KU doesn't have to play WSU in the tournament the next few years.

Dale Rogers 3 years, 11 months ago

Best to you, Connor Frankamp. Will be routing for you and WSU, except if and when you play KU.

Gerry Butler 3 years, 11 months ago

WHY? would we be scared to play and for you to make the statement of hope we don't have to play W.S.U. in the tourney. why would we hope that? you scared? I don't think the players would be SCARED to play them. have they now become basketball god's since connor transferred there? what is it exactly that makes you make such a statement of hoping we don't play them? do you think they are a better team then teams we have played such as Michigan State? Georgetown? Flordia? Kentucky? Texas? any other of the high caliber teams we play year in yesr out Duke? North Carolina? Villanova? would love to hear why you wouldn't want to have to lay them, only thing I can come up with is that you would be scared to play them we play teams that are very strong year in-year out over and over and over. we back away from no one but yet now that connor has transferred there we hope we don't have to play them in the tourney? that's one of the kind of statements that makes a person go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? note to coach self Stay away from W.S.U. Joe says so. so it be spoken- - - - so it be done that's funny GO HAWKS sleep well we ARE NOT playing W.S.U. - - yet

Sean Doherty 3 years, 11 months ago

Whisky Monday happy hour was a good one huh? Tomorrow is a new day if you can avoid the morning eye-opener...

Joe Joseph 3 years, 11 months ago

Easy Gerry. I'm scared whenever and whoever KU plays.

Erich Hartmann 3 years, 11 months ago

I follow WSU, and will root for them to win the MVC. But as a KU alum, there is no way in hell that I'm afraid to play them.

Seriously, I'd like KU the get another crack at KY, and something tells me Self would, too.

We are talking about KU basketball. WSU is doing their bigmen 'by committee' this season. KU would battle WSU inside very tough. The guardplay would likely be a wash. It would come down to all the little things: fouls, FTs, rebounds, 50/50 balls. I mean, at the end of the day, we have 4 legit bigs. And 6'8 smallish bigs (Ellis + Traylor) will outclass WSU's 6'7 guys. Their 6'11 Nurger guy is OK, but is a skinny frosh yet. Jr-year Ellis is a load, ask Izzo. And bigCliff McDAA simply outclasses everyone on WSU's roster.

Sean Doherty 3 years, 11 months ago

My question is why didn't CF go to W-State to begin with? Was it just a selfish goal to be a Jayhawk? If what I've read is true, CF sure seemed to mess things up for KU if all he wanted was the pride to be a hawk. Not willing to stick with the program the way less talented players have and thrived in their latter years indicates its always been about numero uno CF. I think little of Andrew White and he at least stayed 2 years. Players should have a FOE contract between players. Conner, you're out! I can't congratulate him for landing where he should have been all along. Bill Self owns a good portion of the blame himself. He shouldn't be creating an atmosphere of animosity between players who want to stay 4 or 5 years and one and done players. I've been there. I played for a premier soccer team for 6 years. It was painful to cut a guy who had been a part of the program for years for a guy you just now is only using the team as a stepping stone towards the next year. I can see a 4 year player saying, "damn we gotta deal with this new player for a year, baby him and screw up our chemistry and lose this guy next year and do the same thing over again." It's all or nothing HCBS. We all have a hunger and pride but it can easily be destroyed by repetitive one and done's. Coach Cal has figured out that its 2 years or less and you're out. That assures there is no animosity and that players who deserve their coaches and fans respect either receive it or are gone to the next league. I personally believe Bill Self is botching what Cal is perfecting and it has shown.

Sean Doherty 3 years, 11 months ago

Or who knows really. It's just a thought.

Joseph Leon 3 years, 11 months ago

That's a really interesting point. KU is one of the few programs that could even attempt the Calipari model, but we're doing it a bit halfway, because like you say, we don't do 2 years and out. I personally like it when guys are expected to stay 3 years and then maybe leave after 2 if they're really good. OAD give not enough continuity for me and not enough time to enjoy the player development and become confident when the ball is in their hands.

Tom Jones 3 years, 11 months ago

"I personally believe Bill Self is botching what Cal is perfecting and it has shown."

I have read some silly things on this site, but...wow. Just wow.

David Kemp 3 years, 11 months ago

The problem is Bill develops plays and the recent OADs have been nothing but disruptive to the continuity of the program. In my mind the best of whatt KU represents have been in guys like Releford, Withey, Teahan, Taylor, and the list goes on and on. Bill Self is the coach Snider of BB and this is precisely why the primaddonas don't work well in his system.

Tom Jones 3 years, 11 months ago

Just curious...what KU players aside from Selby do you think are/were prima donnas?

Walter Bridges 3 years, 11 months ago

Dave, I happen to agree that the OAD players at Kansas have not lead to NCAA success but you are dead right about the prima donnas...I'm not sure I would even call Selby one. An injury at a bad time and too much in a hurry for NBA $$$ is how I remember his time at KU.

Cody Stumma 3 years, 11 months ago

KU was never meant to be a "One-and-Done Factory".

NCAA needs to grow a pair and make it like baseball. Either go right away or stay the entire time.

Benz Junque 3 years, 11 months ago

For a program trying hard not to be KU's little brother, taking KU's cast offs may not be a good idea.

Ryan Mullen 3 years, 11 months ago

Thanks Conner, you just set our program back 0.0 years.

Andy Hess 3 years, 11 months ago

Hopefully Marshall can handle CF's Helicopter Dad.

Janet Olin 3 years, 11 months ago

Good luck and all the best success to you, Conner. Jayhawks will continue to cheer you on.

Gerry Butler 3 years, 11 months ago

well joe, THANK GOD you don't play for KU. if our players took the approach you have of being scared of whenever and whoever they played we would BE SCREWED. you can't go into a game and play scard and or have that train of thought. if you do you might as well just mail in the score don't even bother to suit up why even play the game if your gonna play scared

Joe Joseph 3 years, 11 months ago

If I played for KU, the program would have far greater concerns than my own pessimism.

Erich Hartmann 3 years, 11 months ago

What Joe gets is what most of us fans (& even players) would admit is "butterflies". Performance anxiety. Like Wiggins said last year and Cliff said this year before their very first AFH games, both called themselves "nervous".

"Scared" is simply Joe's 'trademark' on this site.

Best example of all: How did we fans feel before the 2008 Final Four? To have to face #1 seed UNC, then potentially #1 seed Memphis/UCLA in the Champ game, I'd say most of us were real nervous. But I dont think the players were scared of anybody. They butchered UNC twice in the same game, and took a halftime lead vs. Memphis. They then immortalized themselves in the 2nd half vs. Memphis. I do think late game, at the FT line, that Memphis might have become scared...

Clara Westphal 3 years, 11 months ago

Connor's KU record does not look impressive because he had to be on the court to score. He seldom was. I wish him much success at WSU.

Chris Bailey 3 years, 11 months ago

Well I now have something in common with Frankamp! We both went to KU and WSU although I graduated from both so now I can still root for him. I think this is a great fit for him and he can be a starter by his junior year. I think as a redshirt Soph he'll contribute after he is eligible second semester. That team could make a deep run in March as VanVleet and Baker will be seniors then. Should be fun to watch. I think Frankamp could have been a good player for us this year and logged some descent minutes. Best wishes Connor!

Erich Hartmann 3 years, 11 months ago

I was bothered why Self even recruited Frankamp, as he gives up alot physically. A lot to overcome, when you are on a royalty program roster.

Self recruited CF as a shooter. As insurance. Well, when better, longer, more athletically versatile talent arrived at KU, CF became expendable...and it was CF's decision, as he saw he wasnt going to crack the lineup. He just didnt want to be a practice player.

Erich Hartmann 3 years, 11 months ago

Too bad Fate didnt give Frankamp another 3-4 inches and 30lbs...then he could have been another Tyrel Reed or Ron Baker. Basketball Law: There's always somebody bigger, faster, stronger, better. (And CF was forever going to be behind the Div.1 "size" curve in several areas and abilities.)

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