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Wednesday, September 18, 2013

Scout praises 2016 KU recruit in new ranks

Kansas University basketball recruiting.

Kansas University basketball recruiting.

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Jayson Tatum, a 6-foot-7 sophomore forward from St. Louis Chaminade High who has already received scholarship offers from Kansas University and Missouri, has been ranked No. 4 in the Class of 2016 by Rivals.com.

The initial rankings for high school sophs were released Wednesday by Rivals.com’s Eric Bossi.

Of Tatum, who was headline performer at the recent KC Prep Invitational in Shawnee, Bossi writes: “Tatum is a highly skilled wing player capable of playing multiple positions. At times he will remind you of a young Shaun Livingston while others it is like watching Kyle Anderson at a young age. More and more he is developing into the ‘point forward’ role, and his playmaking and desire to make big shots during clutch situations is off the charts. His high school has produced stud prospects such as Bradley Beal and NBA All-Star David Lee, and Tatum looks to be next in line.”

Josh Jackson (6-6, Detroit Consortium), Harry Giles (6-9, High Point, N.C. Wesleyan) and Thon Maker (7-foot, Martinsville, Va., Carlisle) are ranked Nos. 1 to 3.

Blackmon sets UM visit: James Blackmon Jr., a 6-3 shooting guard from Marion (Ind.) High, who visited with KU’s Bill Self on Tuesday and received a Jayhawk scholarship offer, will make an official visit to the University of Michigan the weekend of Sept. 27, UMhoops.com reports.

He originally committed to Indiana before his freshman year of high school, but reopened his recruitment in August. He’s had in-homes with Self, Kentucky’s John Calipari, North Carolina’s Roy Williams, Indiana’s Tom Crean and Michigan’s John Beilein.

Blackmon has taken unofficial visits to Michigan, Michigan State, Kentucky, Louisville and Indiana since the decommitment, UM Hoops reports. He said he wants to visit Michigan, KU, Kentucky and Indiana.

Self in Texas: KU coach Self on Wednesday again raced from 6 to 7 a.m. Boot Camp to an in-home visit, this one in Texas with Myles Turner, 6-11, 225 senior from Trinity High in Euless. The No. 6-rated player in the Class of 2014 lists KU, Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, Arizona, Ohio State, Texas and Oklahoma State. Turner had planned on attending Late Night in the Phog on Oct. 4, but recently accepted an invitation to attend the USA Developmental National Team mini-camp on Oct. 4-7. Thus he will have to reschedule.

Deep team: One can envision a scenario in which Bill Self’s six incoming freshmen, plus transfer Tarik Black and red-shirt frosh Landen Lucas, all make the rotation this season. Self also has returnees including Perry Ellis, Naadir Tharpe, Jamari Traylor and Andrew White III. It all adds up to what ESPN.com calls the “nation’s deepest team.”

KU is followed on the deepest team list by Louisville, Florida, Duke, Virginia, Harvard, St. John’s, SMU, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Kentucky and Villanova.

“It’s not exactly the 2008 national title team in terms of talent and quality depth, but Bill Self has plenty of players who can help,” writes Jeff Goodman. “It starts with freshmen Andrew Wiggins, Wayne Selden and Joel Embiid, continues with sophomore Perry Ellis and senior big man Tarik Black, and also includes junior guard Naadir Tharpe. Sophomore Andrew White is talented and Jamari Traylor can serve a role — as can big man Landen Lucas. There are also three freshman guards who can all play: Frank Mason, Brannen Greene and Conner Frankamp. Senior Justin Wesley, who averaged nearly 10 minutes a game two seasons ago, returns after missing last season due to injuries. The quality of the bench remains somewhat unknown, but that’s still 13 players if you’re counting at home.”

Comments

Ralster Jayhawk 7 months ago

"Scout praises 2016 recruit...". Great. Now let the kid get back to strength training and eating properly and putting in a whole lot of reps in every skill today's bigs need (all skills). Hopefully he gains further height and muscle. Leave the kid alone. Are we really enlightened by hearing some scout drool over a 15yr old? What's wrong with that picture, oh man...

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Ralster Jayhawk 7 months ago

Nobody equals the '08Champs, until they actually win a championship. I thought the MorrisHawks (overall #1 seed) were untouchable, then a good christian boy shoots KU out of the gym vs. VCU, and we get to watch Puke win the easy-path NC. I waited for a Duke-demolition by Self's team that never happened. I guess we try again this non-conf.

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timcampbell 7 months ago

I don't care if there better or not than the 08 team. Just win another championship, then we can compare teams

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wrwlumpy 7 months ago

Jayhawk 1.

Mangino had to sit in the middle or the plane would continue to circle.

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Steve Gantz 7 months ago

Does Bill Self get to these in home visits on a KU owned jet, his own jet, or some other means? Just curious.

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Steve Gantz 7 months ago

They compare this sophomore Tatum to a young Shaun Livingston (what does that mean anyways?), someone I only remember because I grew up in Illinois and follow Illinois hoops still, and to someone named Kyle Anderson. Then the writer says he comes from the same HS as David Lee and Bradley Beal. Heard of Lee, but Beal? No clue. I guess Tatum won't be expected to be too successful if the people he's being compared to are no name players.

One of our guys, I think it was Rio Adams, was compared to Dwayne Wade by one of these talent evaluators. All of these guys get compared to some stud, I wish they'd stop.

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William Blake 7 months ago

With all this focus on future top recruits... do we dare redshirt anyone this year?

It not only prolongs their stay, but also makes it tough for them to transfer because the one year sit out period starts eating away at their eligibility.

Self spoke about this a couple years ago. He questioned how much depth is good for a team and program. At a certain point, the best interest of the players gets compromised... not only in the lack of deserved PT, but on issues like RS.

For example, there are a couple of players on this team that could benefit from a RS. But will they be offered one?

There seems to be a threshold... where on one side a school remains a top-respected program which looks out for the players... versus the other side of becoming a one-year NBA holding program for OADs.

It seems like we are trying to stand in the middle of this threshold. Can that balance in the middle be maintained?

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jay_cheese 7 months ago

It's only a week long this yr and started this past Monday. Rockchalk

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Evan Bilyeu 7 months ago

When is the last day of boot camp??

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guithawk 7 months ago

No one is even considering the impact that Tyler Self will have this year. Why is he not in the conversation? :)

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William Blake 7 months ago

I'm curious where all this recruiting momentum goes.

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Tony Bandle 7 months ago

RANDOM THOUGHTS.

1] I honestly think you can subtract Lucas and White from this gang of rotationers. I see Traylor as a situational sub for this season. Also, despite their different skill sets, it will most like be either Frank or Conner at the back-up.That gets the rotation down from 12 to a more "Self-Like" 8 players.

2] HCBS has shown a pattern of one back-up at the front line, one at center and one at the back line.

3] Best Guess, Wiggins, Black, Tharpe, Selden and Ellis with Mason, Embiid and Greene first off the bench with maybe Frankamp coming in as a scoring boast on occasion.

4] The good news for the other guys is that this team has such superior talent, players 9 through 12 will see lots of PT. in mop up time.

5] Wesley averaged 10 minutes a game??!! I would have never guessed at that.

6] Forget about Jayson Tatum...the Chaminade coach is in tight with Billy Donovan and just like Lee and Beal, Tatum will end up at Florida....book it!!

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Joe Baker 7 months ago

It's never too early. Get em' while they're hot. I know a kid that's being highly recruited. Scouts say he's painful from deep, can block any shot, and will be a OAD the minute he's released for NCAA play. His length and wing span are phenomenal. His potential is unlike any other recruit. His ceiling is higher than any other. His LDC (Labor and Delivery Coach), Dr. Doogie says he will be an instant Academic All-American before his time. His GPA is off the charts.

Reports say every major blue-blood is in line to sign this kid. Rumor has it that KU's Bill Self is once again in the lead and expected to have another stellar class in the not too distant recruiting world. When asked about uk's coach John Calipari, the kid didn't budge and word has it the visit "ended with the recruit's mother getting indigestion." It doesn't look too bright for Calipari's recruiting future.

Lastly, parents say, he bleeds Crimson and Blue. Matching Rock Chalk diapers make him a Vitale Diaper Dandy. He is yet to be named as the parents are still discussing with family members just exactly what name would be fitting for the talented bball prodigy.

Analysts and NBA GMs are now discussing the OAD rule. Many believe it will change so these kids can enter the NBA 'early.'

I love recruiting and it gets more interesting every year. My futile attempt at recruiting humor.

; - )

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BayPark 7 months ago

Didn't McLemore also go to Chaminade--for a time anyway?

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tnjayhawk 7 months ago

This team is deeper than the 08 team but just younger! This proves Goodman doesn't know much.

08 had 1 lottery pick in Rush, 1 other first rounder in Arthur. Chalmers a second round pick, Collins a second round pick.

14 team has the #1 pick in Wiggins, lottery pick in Seldon, Lottery pick in Embiid, possible lottery pick in Ellis if he stays a third/forth year, Black has been mentioned as a possible 1st round pick, Greene a possible 1st rounder in 3-4 years (if he can shoot as advertised). Who knows about Frankamp if his talent will translate well to the college game could be a possible (Redick type shooter)!

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Jesse Johnson 7 months ago

Depth chart prediction (because this is always fun):

1 Tharpe/Mason 2 Selden/Frankamp 3 Wiggins/Greene/White 4 Ellis/Traylor 5 Black/Embiid/Lucas

Thoughts: I think the starting lineup is indisputable at this point other than the possibility of Embiid eventually taking over as starter at the 5. I can only see Lucas playing mop up minutes this year, but that's ok as he will still have three years left after this year.

The hard part is figuring out the backups for the 1-3 positions with the four players we have there. I think a RS is probably going to be in order... but who? Mason and Frankamp have different skillsets, floor general vs. hot hand. It would be hard to remove either from the rotation.

Greene and White could both play either the 2 or the 3, but there is only room for one of them (unless Frankamp or Mason RS). White has a year of experience, some people say this gives him the edge because Greene is basically the same player but is only a freshman. I disagree. Remember Greene was ranked #10-11 by ESPN before becoming a victim of the early commit syndrome, dropping his ranking to about the same as AW3s (a littler higher still, and in a much more loaded class). And from what I've seen in the scrimmages and highlights, Greene looks every bit more ready to play and contribute than AW3 did as a freshman. I think a RS could be for AW3 what it was for Releford after his freshman year. Your thoughts?

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texashawk10 7 months ago

I believe Self has already said the rotation is going to be shortened pretty early because of the schedule. There's only two true cupcakes on this schedule (ULM and Toledo) and we know Self coaches to win every game as opposed to someone like Izzo who typically takes some November and December losses to gain experience for more players. We'll know by Thanksgiving what the rotation will look like just because of the schedule.

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hotrodm 7 months ago

Coach needs to put in a 10 man rotation early in the season, and see what shakes out for later in the season.

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Michael Luby 7 months ago

Coach Self seems to be a creature of habit, specifically speaking about how many players will see time this year. He has a dozen that Could see time, but only 8 at the most will see time. Our starters this year at first are pretty much a given. Naa,Wigs,Selden,Perry,Black.
Bench? Way to many players and unknowns to say for sure. One thing for absolute sure is there will be loads of competition for guys to separate themselves and prove to Coach that they can impact the game and are deserving of time off the bench. Most likely only 3 guys will make this cut. Thats just how C.S. rolls.
Once again to reference the '08 team, their starters were Russ Rob, Chalmers, Rush, Shady and Dblock. Bench was Kaun,Collins and Aldrich, not necessarily in that order. But, 8 guys. thats it.
Like I said, this team now, they Could play 12 easy without too much drop off. But they wont.

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akgjenkintown 7 months ago

Plenty of players but Self is not known for going 10 deep. Developing trust of his players gains playing time and that starts with defense.

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jhawkinaz 7 months ago

First of all, lulu or whatever your name is that was to long of a post, 2nd? Why are we comparing this team that hasn't played yet to the 08 team, let this team create their own legacy and year, that team played together for three seasons before they won it all, that being said super stoked about this year though rcjh!

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Michael Luby 7 months ago

Regarding ESPN's deep team assessment of KU. Yeah, its very deep. CS could run 10,11 guys this year without much drop off in talent,skill, athleticism. Atleast, I think so. But lets look at the '13 starters vs the '08 starters only. The 08 bench is clearly more experienced and every bit as talented IMHO. Please take this with a shaker of salt because of the obvious experience difference. First up, Naadir vs RussRob. Edge to Russ, he is a bit taller, was a senior, played better D. Didnt both he and Chalmers ave 3 steals each per game or there abouts? Chalmers vs Wiggins, no brainer there. No disrespect to Chalmers who is a KU legend but Wiggins will be better. Rush vs Selden, Edge Rush because he was a senior. I have no doubt that Selden will be very good but the lack of D1 experience tends to make you think Selden as a freshmen wouldnt beat Rush as a junior. But, this match is harder to quantify because Selden is just as tall, long, athletic as Rush and he is probly 15 lbs heavier and known for being more of a slasher if Im not mistaken. Selden is gonna be a beast for us, no doubt. Now, The Designer Ellis vs Shady. I call a draw. Maybe even edge to Perry. He is going to be a soph and so was Arthur. He will be one of our lead scorers this year, so was Shady. He has found his game in the latter part of last season and it will carry over. Ellis will be better this year. Maybe even double double better. And lastly Tarik vs Dblock. I call draw here too. Senior vs Senior, both real big guys to rule the paint. Production wise I expect similar results from Tarik, strong on D, can put up shots close to the rim if he has to as a starting C.
SO, I think the 08 squad has the edge. But consider this. What if KU gets to the Final Four this year? Will any other team at that point be able to say they are better from top down than KU is? Maybe. But, not in my head there isnt. Its all speculation at this point but I just dont think Louisville or Michigan St or Michigan could contain KU this year if they happened to meet in the post season.

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