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Wednesday, September 18, 2013

Scout praises 2016 KU recruit in new ranks

Kansas University basketball recruiting.

Kansas University basketball recruiting.

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Jayson Tatum, a 6-foot-7 sophomore forward from St. Louis Chaminade High who has already received scholarship offers from Kansas University and Missouri, has been ranked No. 4 in the Class of 2016 by Rivals.com.

The initial rankings for high school sophs were released Wednesday by Rivals.com’s Eric Bossi.

Of Tatum, who was headline performer at the recent KC Prep Invitational in Shawnee, Bossi writes: “Tatum is a highly skilled wing player capable of playing multiple positions. At times he will remind you of a young Shaun Livingston while others it is like watching Kyle Anderson at a young age. More and more he is developing into the ‘point forward’ role, and his playmaking and desire to make big shots during clutch situations is off the charts. His high school has produced stud prospects such as Bradley Beal and NBA All-Star David Lee, and Tatum looks to be next in line.”

Josh Jackson (6-6, Detroit Consortium), Harry Giles (6-9, High Point, N.C. Wesleyan) and Thon Maker (7-foot, Martinsville, Va., Carlisle) are ranked Nos. 1 to 3.

Blackmon sets UM visit: James Blackmon Jr., a 6-3 shooting guard from Marion (Ind.) High, who visited with KU’s Bill Self on Tuesday and received a Jayhawk scholarship offer, will make an official visit to the University of Michigan the weekend of Sept. 27, UMhoops.com reports.

He originally committed to Indiana before his freshman year of high school, but reopened his recruitment in August. He’s had in-homes with Self, Kentucky’s John Calipari, North Carolina’s Roy Williams, Indiana’s Tom Crean and Michigan’s John Beilein.

Blackmon has taken unofficial visits to Michigan, Michigan State, Kentucky, Louisville and Indiana since the decommitment, UM Hoops reports. He said he wants to visit Michigan, KU, Kentucky and Indiana.

Self in Texas: KU coach Self on Wednesday again raced from 6 to 7 a.m. Boot Camp to an in-home visit, this one in Texas with Myles Turner, 6-11, 225 senior from Trinity High in Euless. The No. 6-rated player in the Class of 2014 lists KU, Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, Arizona, Ohio State, Texas and Oklahoma State. Turner had planned on attending Late Night in the Phog on Oct. 4, but recently accepted an invitation to attend the USA Developmental National Team mini-camp on Oct. 4-7. Thus he will have to reschedule.

Deep team: One can envision a scenario in which Bill Self’s six incoming freshmen, plus transfer Tarik Black and red-shirt frosh Landen Lucas, all make the rotation this season. Self also has returnees including Perry Ellis, Naadir Tharpe, Jamari Traylor and Andrew White III. It all adds up to what ESPN.com calls the “nation’s deepest team.”

KU is followed on the deepest team list by Louisville, Florida, Duke, Virginia, Harvard, St. John’s, SMU, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Kentucky and Villanova.

“It’s not exactly the 2008 national title team in terms of talent and quality depth, but Bill Self has plenty of players who can help,” writes Jeff Goodman. “It starts with freshmen Andrew Wiggins, Wayne Selden and Joel Embiid, continues with sophomore Perry Ellis and senior big man Tarik Black, and also includes junior guard Naadir Tharpe. Sophomore Andrew White is talented and Jamari Traylor can serve a role — as can big man Landen Lucas. There are also three freshman guards who can all play: Frank Mason, Brannen Greene and Conner Frankamp. Senior Justin Wesley, who averaged nearly 10 minutes a game two seasons ago, returns after missing last season due to injuries. The quality of the bench remains somewhat unknown, but that’s still 13 players if you’re counting at home.”

Comments

Michael Luby 7 years, 1 month ago

Regarding ESPN's deep team assessment of KU. Yeah, its very deep. CS could run 10,11 guys this year without much drop off in talent,skill, athleticism. Atleast, I think so. But lets look at the '13 starters vs the '08 starters only. The 08 bench is clearly more experienced and every bit as talented IMHO. Please take this with a shaker of salt because of the obvious experience difference. First up, Naadir vs RussRob. Edge to Russ, he is a bit taller, was a senior, played better D. Didnt both he and Chalmers ave 3 steals each per game or there abouts? Chalmers vs Wiggins, no brainer there. No disrespect to Chalmers who is a KU legend but Wiggins will be better. Rush vs Selden, Edge Rush because he was a senior. I have no doubt that Selden will be very good but the lack of D1 experience tends to make you think Selden as a freshmen wouldnt beat Rush as a junior. But, this match is harder to quantify because Selden is just as tall, long, athletic as Rush and he is probly 15 lbs heavier and known for being more of a slasher if Im not mistaken. Selden is gonna be a beast for us, no doubt. Now, The Designer Ellis vs Shady. I call a draw. Maybe even edge to Perry. He is going to be a soph and so was Arthur. He will be one of our lead scorers this year, so was Shady. He has found his game in the latter part of last season and it will carry over. Ellis will be better this year. Maybe even double double better. And lastly Tarik vs Dblock. I call draw here too. Senior vs Senior, both real big guys to rule the paint. Production wise I expect similar results from Tarik, strong on D, can put up shots close to the rim if he has to as a starting C.
SO, I think the 08 squad has the edge. But consider this. What if KU gets to the Final Four this year? Will any other team at that point be able to say they are better from top down than KU is? Maybe. But, not in my head there isnt. Its all speculation at this point but I just dont think Louisville or Michigan St or Michigan could contain KU this year if they happened to meet in the post season.

REHawk 7 years, 1 month ago

Then, of course, we had Collins and Kaun leaping off the pine in '08.... Gotta cross our fingers that Mason/Frankamp/AW3/Greene and Embiid/Lucas/Traylor can become huge difference makers by late April. One thing which could help this team soar is the lethal 3-pt. shooting and potentially fine freethrow shooting of this group of underclassmen. If AW3, Frankamp or Greene can dependably pop off the bench to inject successful long shots whenever called upon, we might continue to thrive with less experience than the '08 team.

Michael Luby 7 years, 1 month ago

Thank you Jaybate! That means alot.
I think we are all super excited to see this team play this year. RE, agreed. '08s bench was supreme and Im guessing that our young bigs and guards that come off the bench this year will produce big because they will have to. C.S. will make sure of it.

Michael Luby 7 years, 1 month ago

Oh wait, correction on my part, Rush wasnt a Senior he was a JR. Still his experience trumps Seldens beastly muscles.

hawk316 7 years, 1 month ago

“It’s not exactly the 2008 national title team in terms of talent and quality depth...” writes Jeff Goodman.

But with an equal amount of experience, I could see this year's group potentially approaching that terrific '08 team in terms of talent and depth. And that's saying a mouthful. But, of course, such comments are very premature and highly speculative since we have not seen this group play together even once.

Titus Canby 7 years, 1 month ago

Great analysis Lulu. As an old geezer, IMHO the '86 team had the best starting 5 ever: Greg Drieling Danny Manning Ron Kellogg Calvin Thompson Cedric Hunter With Archie Marshall and Mark Turgeon coming off the bench. Still can’t believe we lost to those dreaded dukies twice that year.

It’s also hard to beat the 02 team of Gooden, Collison, Boschee, and Hinrich, with Lee, Simien, Langford, and Miles as freshmen. Fastest team ever.

3GJayhawk 7 years, 1 month ago

Good comparisons! I'd only change 1 thing... swap Wiggins and Seldon so we are going apples to apples with Chalmers and Rush. So it's Chalmers vs Seldon at the 2 spot and Rush vs Wiggins at the 3. In that case Chalmers is likely the greater at his position and Wiggins likely trumps Rush.

Eric Culp 7 years, 1 month ago

First of all, lulu or whatever your name is that was to long of a post, 2nd? Why are we comparing this team that hasn't played yet to the 08 team, let this team create their own legacy and year, that team played together for three seasons before they won it all, that being said super stoked about this year though rcjh!

Dirk Medema 7 years, 1 month ago

"Why are we comparing this team that hasn't played yet to the 08 team?" = “It’s not exactly the 2008 national title team in terms of talent and quality depth, but Bill Self has plenty of players who can help,” writes Jeff Goodman.

Reading comprehension. Hmmmm.

Michael Luby 7 years, 1 month ago

My point in actually comparing both teams is that I believe there is something worth comparing. We have guys on the team right now who have played. We know, for the most part, what to expect from Naadir and Ellis and even Tarik because he is a 5th yr senior. We also have guys on the team who havent... Obviously our freshmen sensations Wigs, Selden, Embiid. But, those guys have loads of talent and athleticism. Granted the 08 team was more experienced and I addressed that. But More talented? I disagree. Even though I gave the 08 team the edge over all, simply because they won it all and were loaded with upper classmen. I think the 2013 team has more talent and will be more athletic.

REHawk 7 years, 1 month ago

jhawkinaz, we are filing our very own sports articles during halcyon days for LJW hoops reporters, most of whom are now glued to the gridiron. These dream stories and fantasy imaginings, articles within articles, keep us all pumped prior to LateNight. Occasional glimpses and bits of genius appear daily in these posts, more so than in the usual ho-hum presentations by the LJW staff.

Evan Bilyeu 7 years, 1 month ago

He is comparing it to see what are our chances of being a top team and hopefully win a NC. We do it because we are pumped to see them play and to see how well we will do!

Ted Hume 7 years, 1 month ago

...too is to long two spell out completely...

sorry hawkinaz, I just see this sooooo often in posts it's hard to resist sometimes. -no fiction, minimal malice-

Andy Godwin 7 years, 1 month ago

Plenty of players but Self is not known for going 10 deep. Developing trust of his players gains playing time and that starts with defense.

Michael Luby 7 years, 1 month ago

Coach Self seems to be a creature of habit, specifically speaking about how many players will see time this year. He has a dozen that Could see time, but only 8 at the most will see time. Our starters this year at first are pretty much a given. Naa,Wigs,Selden,Perry,Black.
Bench? Way to many players and unknowns to say for sure. One thing for absolute sure is there will be loads of competition for guys to separate themselves and prove to Coach that they can impact the game and are deserving of time off the bench. Most likely only 3 guys will make this cut. Thats just how C.S. rolls.
Once again to reference the '08 team, their starters were Russ Rob, Chalmers, Rush, Shady and Dblock. Bench was Kaun,Collins and Aldrich, not necessarily in that order. But, 8 guys. thats it.
Like I said, this team now, they Could play 12 easy without too much drop off. But they wont.

KCJHawk08 7 years, 1 month ago

Actually, Roderick Stewart got decent playing time in '08, too. HCBS used a 9-man rotation that year until Stewart got hurt during the tourney.

ParisHawk 7 years, 1 month ago

Not what I remember. Rodrick Stewart played while Rush was recovering from his ACL. When Rush got healthy, he went back to his usual 32+ minutes and Stewart mostly sat.

During money time, the NC team had a 7 1/2 man rotation. Aldrich (8th man) had half as many minutes as Kaun (7th man).

Jack Wilson 7 years, 1 month ago

KCJHawk08 - Actually, not. This is like an urban legend or something.

Roderick Stewart was not .. repeat was not .. a rotation player in 2008.

From the start of Big 12 play through the Davidson game, Stewart played a total of 126 minutes. So over those 23 games, he averaged 5.47 minutes per game. In the four tournament games before his injury, he played 8 minutes vs. Portland St., 0 minutes vs. UNLV, 1 minute vs. Villanova, and 0 minutes vs. Davidson.

Not a rotation player.

Self used basically a 7+ rotation, with Aldrich getting sporadic minutes. For example, in the Big 12 tournament plus the first four games of the NCAA tourney, Aldrich played a total of 35 minutes in 7 games, averaging 5 minutes per game. Really, Self played a pretty tight 7 man rotation.

Stewart got the bulk of his minutes prior to Big 12 play beginning when he started instead of Rush (Rush was coming off the bench as a result of his ACL recovery). Once Rush was fully back, Stewart simply wasn't much of a factor.

KCJHawk08 7 years, 1 month ago

Actually, your numbers are wrong. Stewart played in parts of 33 games in '07-'08, averaging 11.6 minutes/game.

Yes, his playing time tapered off toward the end of the season, but he wasn't taken completely out of the rotation. In the OSU, KSU, and TT games (all near the end of conference play), he was in the game for 11, 9, and 14 minutes, respectively. The 3 games prior, he hardly played. But, in the 23 games before that, only twice did he record less than 8 minutes. And, more often than not, his minutes were in double figures.

He was still the next guy off the bench for HCBS, and was most definitely part of the rotation.

KCJHawk08 7 years, 1 month ago

Sorry, I just realized that your numbers were fromt he start of Big 12 play through Davidson. I should have read, thoroughly.

Jack Wilson 7 years, 1 month ago

Ok .. I was composing my post below when you made your follow-up. No worries.

Jack Wilson 7 years, 1 month ago

No, my numbers are exactly right. You are referring to the entire season, I was referring to the 23 games that started with conference play, as a stated specifically in my post.

The point is that Self used Stewart when Rush was recovering. Once Rush moved into the starting lineup, and certainly to start conference play, Stewart's role when to nearly nothing. You cite three games -- that should tell you something. Of the 23 games I cite, 13 of them were 6 minutes or less. Not a rotation player.

Check your numbers again.

KCJHawk08 7 years, 1 month ago

Again,sorry for posting before reading you post thoroughly enough. I was just scanning it the first time.

So, yes, his minutes lessened once Rush came back. That doesn't mean he wasn't part of the rotation that season, though. You are essentially throwing out everything he did while Rush was recovering simply because he was filling in for someone. It doesn't matter how he came about his minutes. He played, and that's a fact. The numbers across the length of the season back that up. Mop up guys only get in for 2-3 minutes, and he had several games like that. But, the majority of his games were in a larger role. Even in the games when he was in for 6 minutes, that is enough floor time to justify referring to him as a role player, especially when you consider the minutes weren't always at the end of blowouts.

But, the fact that he averaged 11.6 over the course of a season, during which he played significant minutes in games at the beginning and still got decent minutes in some games at the end (the games aforementioned) is certainly enough to recognize that he was a role player on that team.

hotrodm 7 years, 1 month ago

Coach needs to put in a 10 man rotation early in the season, and see what shakes out for later in the season.

texashawk10 7 years, 1 month ago

I believe Self has already said the rotation is going to be shortened pretty early because of the schedule. There's only two true cupcakes on this schedule (ULM and Toledo) and we know Self coaches to win every game as opposed to someone like Izzo who typically takes some November and December losses to gain experience for more players. We'll know by Thanksgiving what the rotation will look like just because of the schedule.

Jesse Johnson 7 years, 1 month ago

Depth chart prediction (because this is always fun):

1 Tharpe/Mason 2 Selden/Frankamp 3 Wiggins/Greene/White 4 Ellis/Traylor 5 Black/Embiid/Lucas

Thoughts: I think the starting lineup is indisputable at this point other than the possibility of Embiid eventually taking over as starter at the 5. I can only see Lucas playing mop up minutes this year, but that's ok as he will still have three years left after this year.

The hard part is figuring out the backups for the 1-3 positions with the four players we have there. I think a RS is probably going to be in order... but who? Mason and Frankamp have different skillsets, floor general vs. hot hand. It would be hard to remove either from the rotation.

Greene and White could both play either the 2 or the 3, but there is only room for one of them (unless Frankamp or Mason RS). White has a year of experience, some people say this gives him the edge because Greene is basically the same player but is only a freshman. I disagree. Remember Greene was ranked #10-11 by ESPN before becoming a victim of the early commit syndrome, dropping his ranking to about the same as AW3s (a littler higher still, and in a much more loaded class). And from what I've seen in the scrimmages and highlights, Greene looks every bit more ready to play and contribute than AW3 did as a freshman. I think a RS could be for AW3 what it was for Releford after his freshman year. Your thoughts?

Jesse Johnson 7 years, 1 month ago

I could also see HCBS sliding Selden over to point when Tharpe is on bench. In that scenario he could hand Mason a RS to let him develop more this year leaving PT for Frankamp, White and Greene. All I know is there is not enough PT for all our depth at the 1-3 and my hunch is that a RS or two will be handed out like in 2010 when both Releford and Little RS.

Jack Wilson 7 years, 1 month ago

jesse - No, no, no. Don't fall victim to the urge to designate anyone a point guard simply because they are a good player. Folks anointed Releford or KY a back up point guard last season when Tharpe struggled early, and speculated that they could back up EJ. No way. They can't handle the ball well enough. Self has never permitted a non-ball handler to be a point guard. Combo guard means you can play point. Selden is not a combo guard.

Here is Self's quote - “I think Wayne could maybe be an emergency point, maybe in certain situations,” Self said. “I think Andrew (Wiggins) could be a guy who could eliminate pressure by bringing the ball up too. Those guys are pretty gifted as far as handling the ball goes. Those two are natural wings. We use them to initiate maybe every now and then.”

"Every now and then" -- Selden and Wiggins could help here and there, and could help break pressure. That's it. Before Self even said it, we knew it already.

But you make a great point on the redshirt deal -- hard pill to swallow for a top 50 player though, whichever one it is.

Woody Cragg 7 years, 1 month ago

 HEM...The word "initiate" always reminds me of Foxworthy's red neck dictionary...as follows-
"I tell ya boys, it was sad. My Momma just flat out ate herself to death. First she ate a half a pot o' ham & beans & pan o' cornbread, then she ate a whole dang fried chicken, then she ate 5 pounds o'taters & gravy, (sob, sob).................

                                .... INITIATE a whole dad gum cherry pie"!

Jesse Johnson 7 years, 1 month ago

Thanks for the quote from HCBS. That seems to indicate he probably won't use him as a point guard ever. But in my defense, Selden actually HAS been described as a combo guard. The headline in the kusports.com article that announced he had committed to KU declared as much: http://www2.kusports.com/news/2012/oc...

Furthermore, in the article, Eric Bossi said this about Selden: “I don’t really even know what position to call him, because he can play the point, because he’s good at pick-and-roll. He’s big enough to play the 3. He can play the 2,” Rivals.com national recruiting analyst Eric Bossi said. “I wouldn’t call him a shooter, but he’s a big-time athlete. He makes plays happen off the dribble."

Hawk8086 7 years, 1 month ago

I think Selden is the perfect 2nd ball handler that Self desires. He can handle the ball well enough to be effective in Self's offense (or even bring the ball across the timeline to give the PG a break), but that doesn't mean he is a PG. Until proven otherwise, I think you have to give White the leg up to be the first wing off the bench........obviously Greene or Frankamp could play well enough to change that. I would say, at this point, if anyone redshirts, odds are that it would be Greene or Frankamp.

Jack Wilson 7 years, 1 month ago

jesse - I had read that stuff too. But you know, those combo guard references to Selden are interesting, and it obviously is kind of funny given my combo guard comments -- if he is a combo guard, he really can play point. But it was Self's comments that kind of cemented my opinion here.

Selden actually played some point on his AAU team and did so in the McDonalds game this season. The deal is, and it's obvious you know this already, is that there is huge difference between playing point in AAU and a McDonalds game, vs. high D-I college. The ball handling skills required are incredibly high, as well as the ability to pass out of the intense pressure.

But this is just my opinion. A clear possibility is that Selden is adequate enough to be the "point" for 8 minutes per game (vs. Tharpe's 32). It just didn't seem that way from what Self said.

Hawk8086 7 years, 1 month ago

HEM,

I agree that it is a possibility, but I think it is more likely that either Mason or Frankamp provides the "breather" minutes for Tharpe at PG. Sounds like Mason may have the leg up there.......but that is only conjecture on my part.

Jesse Johnson 7 years, 1 month ago

Agree. Just pointing out that your comparison of people thinking KY was going to play PG was not a very fair comparison.

jhox 7 years, 1 month ago

Speaking of guards, I've been watching videos of this Blackmon kid that decommitted from Indiana, and I'm not seeing anything that makes me think he's worthy of an offer from the elite programs, yet all are going after him hard. He appears to be a good spot up shooter, with a nice pull up jumper as well, and he handles the ball reasonably well, but I'm not seeing elite level quickness worthy of his ranking. In fairness, sometimes quickness doesn't translate well to videos, but in his highlights, the only kids I'm seeing him get by are clearly slow footed kids.

I saw a 6'6" shooting guard from Houston at a tournament in Texas this week named Tevin Woods, he supposedly even has a 7'1" wing span, who had every bit the skill level this Blackmon has (and he looks quicker), yet he's not had a lot of high D1 offers (he's supposedly a package deal with his twin, which has apparently hurt him somewhat.) Texas Tech did offer both he and his brother. I did hear he was on Louisville's radar but they were not interested in the twin. But the bottom line is this kid isn't even rated a top 100 player. He scored over 30 a game in this tournament with an ankle injury in the first half of the first game. The kid was clearly the best player in this tournament, hands down, which had some top 100 players in it. There was nobody else close to this kid. His twin didn't play, so I can't speak for his game.

These rating services frustrate the heck out of me. They put a kid in the top 100 when he's in 8th grade because he has a big body and dominates smaller kids, then it takes an act of God to knock them out of the top 100. Unfortunately, D1 coaches can't see everyone and tend to focus on the ranked players only. That's how kids like Alex Burks ends up at a CU, or Treavor Releford at Alabama.

Sorry for the rant. This Blackmon kid surely has more on the ball than what I'm seeing, or Self wouldn't be offering, but what I'm seeing doesn't appear to me to suggest an "elite" type player. I've heard rumors (could be sour grapes) suggesting that Indiana was relieved he decommitted as they had soured on him a bit.

Cedric Spire 7 years, 1 month ago

This team is deeper than the 08 team but just younger! This proves Goodman doesn't know much.

08 had 1 lottery pick in Rush, 1 other first rounder in Arthur. Chalmers a second round pick, Collins a second round pick.

14 team has the #1 pick in Wiggins, lottery pick in Seldon, Lottery pick in Embiid, possible lottery pick in Ellis if he stays a third/forth year, Black has been mentioned as a possible 1st round pick, Greene a possible 1st rounder in 3-4 years (if he can shoot as advertised). Who knows about Frankamp if his talent will translate well to the college game could be a possible (Redick type shooter)!

Jesse Johnson 7 years, 1 month ago

Agree, although a minor correction: Collins didn't even get picked, he was called up by MJ after the draft and given an offer to play for the Bobcats.

ParisHawk 7 years, 1 month ago

Totally agree. Comparisons to the 2008 team that leave out experience are pointless. 2008 was basically the 2007 team with a year of experience - both individually and together.

Bring back everybody but Black from this year's team and next year's team would be an overwhelming favorite for an NC - not gonna happen.

And as said many times by others: outside of rotation players, depth is insurance and investment in the future, nothing more. Rodrick Stewart was great insurance when Rush got injured, but sat when Rush came back.

During the Conference schedule and post season, I will be very surprised to see more than 8 true rotation players, barring injury.

Andrew Horigan 7 years, 1 month ago

Jackson and Kaun were both second round picks too. I have to add because we had 5 players get drafted, one a bench player. I think that is pretty impressive.

BayPark 7 years, 1 month ago

Didn't McLemore also go to Chaminade--for a time anyway?

Kevin Huffman 7 years, 1 month ago

No. I think BOTH David Lee & Bradley Beal did.

Both went on to Florida for their time in college.

Would be interesting if Tatum did the same.

REHawk 7 years, 1 month ago

Beal and McLemore did play together. Was it just summertime AAU?

texashawk10 7 years, 1 month ago

McLemore played at Wellston HS in St. Louis for 3 years, then Oak Hill in Virginia and then CLC in Houston.

Joe Baker 7 years, 1 month ago

It's never too early. Get em' while they're hot. I know a kid that's being highly recruited. Scouts say he's painful from deep, can block any shot, and will be a OAD the minute he's released for NCAA play. His length and wing span are phenomenal. His potential is unlike any other recruit. His ceiling is higher than any other. His LDC (Labor and Delivery Coach), Dr. Doogie says he will be an instant Academic All-American before his time. His GPA is off the charts.

Reports say every major blue-blood is in line to sign this kid. Rumor has it that KU's Bill Self is once again in the lead and expected to have another stellar class in the not too distant recruiting world. When asked about uk's coach John Calipari, the kid didn't budge and word has it the visit "ended with the recruit's mother getting indigestion." It doesn't look too bright for Calipari's recruiting future.

Lastly, parents say, he bleeds Crimson and Blue. Matching Rock Chalk diapers make him a Vitale Diaper Dandy. He is yet to be named as the parents are still discussing with family members just exactly what name would be fitting for the talented bball prodigy.

Analysts and NBA GMs are now discussing the OAD rule. Many believe it will change so these kids can enter the NBA 'early.'

I love recruiting and it gets more interesting every year. My futile attempt at recruiting humor.

; - )

REHawk 7 years, 1 month ago

Yep. Sign em while they're diapered! Considering Wiggins' genetic code, that might not have been a too farfetched long ago early signing....

Hawk8086 7 years, 1 month ago

Reminds me of John Thompson's comment when he was asked to comment on Patrick Ewing's son was born (while Patrick was playing for Coach Thompson). Coach Thompson said: "I'd like to get his footprint on a letter of intent."

Tony Bandle 7 years, 1 month ago

RANDOM THOUGHTS.

1] I honestly think you can subtract Lucas and White from this gang of rotationers. I see Traylor as a situational sub for this season. Also, despite their different skill sets, it will most like be either Frank or Conner at the back-up.That gets the rotation down from 12 to a more "Self-Like" 8 players.

2] HCBS has shown a pattern of one back-up at the front line, one at center and one at the back line.

3] Best Guess, Wiggins, Black, Tharpe, Selden and Ellis with Mason, Embiid and Greene first off the bench with maybe Frankamp coming in as a scoring boast on occasion.

4] The good news for the other guys is that this team has such superior talent, players 9 through 12 will see lots of PT. in mop up time.

5] Wesley averaged 10 minutes a game??!! I would have never guessed at that.

6] Forget about Jayson Tatum...the Chaminade coach is in tight with Billy Donovan and just like Lee and Beal, Tatum will end up at Florida....book it!!

Hawk8086 7 years, 1 month ago

Oak,

I think Traylor will get some minutes on the front line. His experience will count. You can rotate in 2 big guys. Mason (or Frankamp) as backup PG and either Greene, White, or Frankamp off the bench to spell Selden or Wiggins.

Tony Bandle 7 years, 1 month ago

Agreed....I guess my definition of rotation is guys that will get in every game for significant PT. Jamari could be a big surprise this year if his offense improves and his fouling diminishes.

Jack Wilson 7 years, 1 month ago

Oak - I think your rotation thoughts are right on there, with Traylor being the "+" in an 8+ rotation (like he was at the end of last season).

But I'm curious as to why you have Greene over White?

And on Wesley, he average 8.6 .. not 10; so the article above stretched it a bit.

Page Butler 7 years, 1 month ago

No one is even considering the impact that Tyler Self will have this year. Why is he not in the conversation? :)

ParisHawk 7 years, 1 month ago

Because (seriously) we don't know who his roommate is. When Zach Peters had his concussion problems Tyler became his roommate and watched over him. Tyler will help in hidden ways more than your usual end-of-the-bench guy because his Coach has absolute confidence in him as a person.

jay_cheese 7 years, 1 month ago

It's only a week long this yr and started this past Monday. Rockchalk

Steve Gantz 7 years, 1 month ago

They compare this sophomore Tatum to a young Shaun Livingston (what does that mean anyways?), someone I only remember because I grew up in Illinois and follow Illinois hoops still, and to someone named Kyle Anderson. Then the writer says he comes from the same HS as David Lee and Bradley Beal. Heard of Lee, but Beal? No clue. I guess Tatum won't be expected to be too successful if the people he's being compared to are no name players.

One of our guys, I think it was Rio Adams, was compared to Dwayne Wade by one of these talent evaluators. All of these guys get compared to some stud, I wish they'd stop.

Steve Gantz 7 years, 1 month ago

No I'm not. I pay a lot of attention to KU and the Badgers and big 10. I just looked up his stats and yes, he's good and I hope when Tatum comes he's the next Bradley Beal!

Kevin Huffman 7 years, 1 month ago

Beal was drafted like what? 3rd two years ago, or something like that? By the Wizards.

Wizards are excited about their Wall / Beal backcourt for years to come now.

Not only that but Beal took UF pretty far that year - '11/'12 season....lost in the Elite 8 to Louisville.

Hawk8086 7 years, 1 month ago

Plus, he was a heavy KU lean, but then committed to UF, I think, in his junior year. When Self was asked if the National Championship had helped him in recruiting, he responded, "Not lately" in what appeared to be a reference to Beal choosing Florida over us.

Steve Gantz 7 years, 1 month ago

Does Bill Self get to these in home visits on a KU owned jet, his own jet, or some other means? Just curious.

REHawk 7 years, 1 month ago

Heck, he pilots that Jayhawk! Hires Billy G. to slip aboard incognito to assist as a steward who serves drinks.

Jonathan Allison 7 years, 1 month ago

He's a Jay, Jay, Jay, Jay, Jayhawk riding on a Kansas gale

Tony Bandle 7 years, 1 month ago

All klidding aside, he might be given a ride by some wealthy alumni. I'm pretty sure there is no "Jay Jet", but I could be wrong.

Rian Ankerholz 7 years, 1 month ago

I'm sure KU still has a jet, probably an upgrade from the old Lew Perkins' days. I found this story about his jet usage:

In some cases, Perkins flew when he could have driven in three hours or less — to such cities as Wichita, Hutchinson, and Lincoln, Neb. He also flew to places like New York, Rhode Island and Palm Springs, Calif., usually on the university's eight-seat Cessna Citation Bravo jet. When he couldn't get the university's plane, he chartered one or used planes owned by boosters.

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/15/1447588/records-reveal-perkins-extensive.html#storylink=cpy

Jonathan Allison 7 years, 1 month ago

I'd guess that he most likely flies on a private chartered jet.

It would be interesting to see how much KU budgets for Bill Self's recruiting travel.

Tony Bandle 7 years, 1 month ago

Latest ranking I could find on basketball recruiting budgets:

1] Kentucky.

2] Kansas.

3] Florida.

4] Arkansas.

5] Oklahoma??!!...man, they're wasting a pile of money!!

UK and KU were both approaching half a mil.

texashawk10 7 years, 1 month ago

OU's getting better again and Kruger will have them competing for the Big 12 in the next couple of years if he stays there long enough.

ParisHawk 7 years, 1 month ago

Duke's recruiting is paid partly by USA Basketball...

Woody Cragg 7 years, 1 month ago

Those who know my posts have seen this before......

                                                                               .........The Global Hawk.

Navy Global Hawk....
         Like Stir Crazy-Wilder & Pryor...
                       WEBAD  baby, WEBAD!

Navy Global Hawk.... Like Stir Crazy-Wilder & Pryor... WEBAD baby, WEBAD! by globaljaybird

Woody Cragg 7 years, 1 month ago

USN Global Hawk Drone...Now they see it, then they don't....

wrwlumpy 7 years, 1 month ago

Jayhawk 1.

Mangino had to sit in the middle or the plane would continue to circle.

Kip_McSmithers 7 years, 1 month ago

That looks exactly like the plane I'll never own.

timcampbell 7 years, 1 month ago

I don't care if there better or not than the 08 team. Just win another championship, then we can compare teams

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