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Thursday, March 14, 2013

Keegan

Opinion: Iowa State gets final shot at payback

A row of young Kansas fans stretch themselves to slap hands with the Jayhawks as they leave the court following their 91-63 win over Texas Tech on Thursday, March 14, 2013 at the Sprint Center in Kansas City, Missouri.

A row of young Kansas fans stretch themselves to slap hands with the Jayhawks as they leave the court following their 91-63 win over Texas Tech on Thursday, March 14, 2013 at the Sprint Center in Kansas City, Missouri.

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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

KU coach Bill Self talks after win over Texas Tech

Kansas coach Bill Self talks after his team's 91-63 win over Texas Tech on March 14, 2013.

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Jeff Withey, Ben McLemore

Kansas players Jeff Withey and Ben McLemore talk to reporters following the Jayhawks' 91-63 victory over Texas Tech on March 14, 2013.

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KU-TTU

— For the Power and Light District merchants outside the Sprint Center, the Big 12 basketball tournament is about so much more than team loyalty. It’s about generating enough revenue to pay the bills through the inevitable slow stretches. Hence, all the long faces, the hanging heads, the grousing early Thursday afternoon as Oklahoma systematically padded its lead against Iowa State inside that big building across the street.

An estimated six times as many Iowa State fans flocked to K.C. for the event that bridges the regular season and the tourney of all tourneys. We’ll never know for sure, but it’s conceivable that for a merchant or two the difference between succeeding and going out of business could have been riding on the Cyclones staging a comeback.

Luckily for the nearby businesses and for basketball fans who enjoy watching an underdog whose style gives the heavyweight champion trouble, Iowa State point guard Korie Lucious stopped shooting and Will Clyburn and Melvin (it’s not his fault he has the same first name as Weatherwax; he’s one heck of a tough player) Ejim went to work.

Ejim scored 15 of his 23 points and Clyburn had 15 of his 17 in the second half, bringing the Cyclones back from a 13-point deficit with less than 10 minutes remaining to score a 73-66 victory.

Kansas had no trouble taking care of the other half of the rematch equation by blowing out Texas Tech, 91-63.

Iowa State-Kansas III, a basketball sprint in the Sprint.

Some schools play against each other for 10 years without generating as many memorable moments as KU and ISU did in two games during the regular season.

Elijah Johnson’s 39 points. Ben McLemore’s banked three-pointer on his way to 33 points on just 12 field-goal attempts in Allen Fieldhouse. McLemore scoring just seven points in Ames. Johnson’s apparent charge not called. Kevin Young raising his hand and baiting the referee into calling the foul on him instead of on Jeff Withey, who already had four fouls. Johnson’s unappreciated dunk at the overtime buzzer, triggering fans to hurl plastic mini-megaphones on the floor. An angry Iowa State booster charging Kansas coach Bill Self and verbally blasting his players while policemen stepped in and saved the guy from possibly doing something that could have resulted in him having handcuffs slapped on his wrists.

Forty minutes of regulation clock couldn’t decide either game with the score tied 79-79 in the first, 90-90 in the second. Kansas won both overtimes by a combined 36-16.

Clyburn, winner by landslide of the Big 12 Newcomer of the Year Award for which freshmen are not eligible, used his skill to help Iowa State earn a third shot at Kansas and then used his words to add spice to Friday night’s already compelling rematch.

“They beat us twice during the year, probably games we shouldn’t have lost, but, hey, I’m ready for payback,” Clyburn said after scoring 15 of his 17 points in the second half of the Cyclones’ 73-66 comeback victory against Oklahoma.

When that quote was run past a few Kansas players their answers could be summed up in one word: Yawn.

“I don’t think there’s a lot of emotion going into it,” Travis Releford said while tearing the tape off his ankle. “They’re a good team. We know what to expect from them because we played them twice. I think it’s going to be an overall fun game.”

Even if the title-game matchup should happen to pit both teams from the state Kansas against each other, such a matchup might not match Friday’s 6:30 p.m. semifinal tipoff.

“They came down close both games and they both happened to go our way,” Releford said. “For us to be able to match up in the Big 12 tournament to see who is the better team, I think that’s good for both teams.”

Both teams have the firepower to stage big comebacks.

“We have a team full of shooters,” Clyburn said, explaining Thursday’s comeback. “And one thing about shooters, you have to have confidence. Forget about making or missing. If you miss a shot, gotta shoot the next one. That’s what we have on this team, shooters with confidence.”

Shooters with a third shot at Kansas.

Comments

William Blake 1 year, 1 month ago

Strategy for success:

If this was my team... I know how I'd play it. Start with a couple of facts...

  1. ISU counts on perimeter offense.

  2. ISU played yesterday.

This is old school.... no one knows this strategy better than the master, Bobby Knight.

The way to beat a perimeter-shooting team is to run out their legs. Substitute frequently and keep'em running. Play tough stick-to-your-man d, and use the entire shot clock on offense, running lots of on and off ball screens. Keep the game paced with plenty of energy, while not rushing your offense. Many teams like to run what is called a "Princeton-style" offense to accomplish the same thing.

I can't stress substituting enough. We need to use our bench. Get some of these guys a few minutes here and there for "blow minutes" to rest our starters. Use Jeff's minutes strategically because we need a 5 who moves a lot.

There is a reason why hot perimeter teams tend to drop off in the second half... exhaustion!

I'd like to see us try more strategies to win games. Most of the time we are way too predictable. It's the same philosophy used at most of the big schools; make teams beat them at their own game. We already know ISU can run with us and take us to the wire. It seems they have more motivation to win tonight's game then we do. So lets mix it up a bit and actually have a unique strategy this time. It is a good test for how we can shift our game in March when we have to play very unique teams we normally don't play.

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Schlongthong 1 year, 1 month ago

I am also a KU fan and alum, Packy. But blanket statements about a team's fans are what's wrong with modern sports.

I hate the St. Louis Cardinals, and from my experience, their fans CAN be 100% insufferable and pompous. However, I know that there are likely countless fans that are good people. Though it pains me to admit that.

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packywacky88 1 year, 1 month ago

I wouldn't be crying about it 3 weeks later. Prior to this year, I attended 9 straight KU-ISU games in Ames. Although nice folks, ISU fans are clearly the biggest bunch of low IQ whining B-Ball fans out there. I served with Kansas Fans. I know Kansas Fans. Kansas Fans are friends of mine. ISU fans, you're no Kansas Fans.

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Schlongthong 1 year, 1 month ago

Hey Jayhawk fans who decry the heat the team is getting from the nat'l media:

Say the blown calls hurt KU rather than ISU.

Would you guys behave rationally and admit that there were blown calls earlier in the game that hurt ISU, or would you whine just as the ISU fans did?

I think we all know the answer.

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packywacky88 1 year, 1 month ago

I think they meant XII. Looks like they need to apologize for that too.

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packywacky88 1 year, 1 month ago

ESPN is reporting that the Big XXII Conference is preemptively issuing a statement condemning any potential "officiating errors" that might be made against the Cryclones tonight. Please tell me that sniveling, whining, poor excuse of an announcer Franscilla is not calling the game. BRING BACK KNIGHT!!!!

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kanofass 1 year, 1 month ago

Iowa ST. will win this one, no matter how much help the refs will try and give KU. Iowa ST. wins this one easy. Iowa ST. 74--KU 61.

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Jake Waddle 1 year, 1 month ago

I appreciate the advice... trying to bargain with my brother to take the free ticket and give me cash for bailing on me. then i can afford a better ticket. We have 4 hours left to drive so we'll see!

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JayHawkFanToo 1 year, 1 month ago

Once again. The no-call at ISU did not decide the game, Fran and Brent assertions to the contrary not withstanding.
If you are going to look at ball calls you have to look at all calls in context and not jut one in isolation.
There were actually two no calls in the play in question. EJ was bumped on his way to be basket (first no call) and a charge was not called one tenth of a second later (second no call). EJ still had to make the two free throws to tie the game and ISU still had 4.5 second left to score...do the analysts realize how many points have been scored and games decided in the last 4.5 seconds? Then, ISU had 5 minutes to prove they were the better team and failed miserably; why is this even an issue anymore?

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hawkmoon2020 1 year, 1 month ago

Hawks definitely need to bring their A game tonight and tomorrow, and show the BIG 12 pretenders who's boss. Also, I wouldn't go as far as saying ISU has "final shot" at payback. It's possible we meet up with them again during the NCAAs. Ditto for KSU. We could end up playing them 4 times this year too! LOL

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Jake Waddle 1 year, 1 month ago

Ok KU fans... HUGE dilemma that i need help with! I have been offered a ticket behind the isu bench for free. The terms from the source and my brother (isu fans) are that im not able to wear KU gear or cheer for them. I've already told them up yours but am i making a mistake to not take the $500+ ticket?! Not an option to double cross them once in the arena. Help me out or give me assurance that im doing the right thing...

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Sean Edmiston 1 year, 1 month ago

It's only payback, Keegan, because media blowhards such as yourself and Fran Fraschilla have over exaggerated the impact of the calls in the final minute and consistently fail to acknowledge the impact of horrible officiating in the first 39 minutes. As far as I'm concerned, Kevin Young getting called for that foul instead of Withey fouling out kind of made up for the fact that his 3rd and 4th fouls never really happened.

And whether or not that was a charge or a block is still debatable. Georges Niang's knee was moving and bending at the time he took the impact, which could indicate that his feet weren't completely set. I disagree that they HAD to make a call there. with the game on the line and a call that could go either way, it's better to make no call and not directly impact the result of the game with a call that could turn out to be wrong.

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Jack Wilson 1 year, 1 month ago

Best case scenario .. get ISU in semis, and KSU in finals.

Can shut two mouths in appx. 24 hrs.

That might help our efficiency rating.

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tis4tim 1 year, 1 month ago

I think we'll win by double digits today. Psychologically, ISU gave us their best shot in both previous games and still lost. That has to be at the back of their minds as game time approaches. And I can almost guarantee they won't hit 17 3-pointers today.

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justinryman 1 year, 1 month ago

I think that the crowd in the Sprint Center will mostly be cheering for ISU, except those in Blue and White. OSU and KSU don't want to play us and the neutral fan will be cheering for ISU cause of espn crying foul on the no foul.

That gives the players a chance to play with a chip on their shoulder, and I hope they do. I hope this game is out of reach at the under 12 TO in the first half. That way the announcers can't talk about fouls, or luck or anything else except how good a team KU is and how great of coach Self is.

Blow out the cyclones and send em home. 3 up 3 down. Just like a good pitcher.

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dahawk40 1 year, 1 month ago

Typical Releford, staying smart and composed with the media. He's lying through his teeth when he says there's no emotion going in to this game. I believe we're going to be amped. With a senior-laden roster and experienced lineup though, the pressure of this game plays in our favor.

McLemore's hot shooting day yesterday was a big encouragement. If he plays like he did against Tech, instead of like he did at ISU (7 pts), we should have a hot game.

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msezdsit 1 year, 1 month ago

I have heard enough about how bad the officials were in the "no call" and Withey's foul attributed to Kevin Young. There were so many bad calls against KU that the few that went in their favor were no more or less than "make up calls". I think KU is 20 points better than KU and they just need to go out and play that game instead of letting an inferior ISU team hang around. Hit em hard and hit fast and this one will be over early.

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jayhawkinATL 1 year, 1 month ago

It's going to be rainin' threes tonight...unless ISU is super-cold or we figure out how D it up.

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jayhawkinATL 1 year, 1 month ago

God, please...I don't want to witness Withey running around screens again tonight trying to keep up with his man...like a chicken with it's head cut off. Hope Bill figures it out with a suitable defensive scheme.

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Micky Baker 1 year, 1 month ago

You think Releford was just being low key? Of course our players are hyped for this game.

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Sam Constance 1 year, 1 month ago

Come on Keegan.

We've had to listen to the media drone on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the supposed "gift" that KU got in that game. Why the need to bring it up again? I'd argue that the Elijah Johnson play and the Jeff Withey foul issue were no more "memorable" than any of the TERRIBLE calls that cost KU points in the first half THAT NO ONE SEEMS TO [EXPLETIVE] REMEMBER.

Write about the game and the rematch and the implications and the memorable moments from the first two games, but just let the freaking end of regulation play die already.

As far as the game goes, I'm nervous, but I think the oversized chip that Iowa State is carrying around on their shoulder could end up being a detriment. They seem to think that they deserved to beat us twice and know that the only way that viewpoint can be at ALL validated is if they win tonight. That makes for a sizable amount of pressure to realize your own self-belief. That being said, KU is going to get no benefit from the officials, because even though the game was largely lopsided in favor of ISU until that final sequence, the media's political campaign against KU's win has put the officiating in this game in the spotlight.

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Phoghorn 1 year, 1 month ago

A total of two technical fouls will be called...

Over/Under?

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Phoghorn 1 year, 1 month ago

I thought they got ten minutes worth of final chances over the last two games...

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Sally Presson 1 year, 1 month ago

You bet we have payback!!! Those dang ISU fans acted like a MU fan, throwing things, yelling racial slurs and name calling!!! OF course the jayhawks will make themselves care about this game. We have to ram it down their throats, we're the better team fair and square. the jayhawks will have to beat th em down and put them in their place. Of course they are a good team, but KU is the best team!!! go get um Jayhawks!!! Send them crying home to their mamas

Rock Chalk

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Robert Brock 1 year, 1 month ago

I don't know if the Hawks can make themselves care about this game. All the energy will likely be with the Clones who had their feelings hurt in Ames.

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jaybate 1 year, 1 month ago

"That’s what we have on this team, shooters with confidence.” --ISU's Clyburn

Run shooters in transition, make shooters guard the weave in half court, strip shooters, hound shooters, body shooters trying to make cuts, block shooters, alter shooters, trash talk shooters, put shooters on the floor if they are hot.

Then confident shooters become frustrated cowards because of tired legs and constant harrassment.

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swunruhawk 1 year, 1 month ago

Not worried about tonight. It's next week that I'm worried about. Just enjoy this week.

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jaybate 1 year, 1 month ago

“I don’t think there’s a lot of emotion going into it." --Travis on ISU game tonight

Looks like no amp tonight.

Combine no amp with shooting back to average from 50% trey shooting and this could be a very tough game to win.

But no amp for the semi game is consistent with forecast.

Self seems unlikely to waste an amping unless the probability of a one seed can be greatly enhanced. The only way to greatly enhance that probability is by winning the tournament. That opportunity will not occur until the third game.

Assuming Self's history of not amping the team two games in a row continues, then the amping will likely occur for the championship game, which again, is the only game that can can achieve this. And that can only happen, if the KU team sent out flat yet again vs. ISU can labor for a win.

Another way of saying this is Self always plays to win it all. If he were more likely to win a one seed by amping for ISU and laboring in the Finals, he would do so. Recall, he amped for UNC in 2008 in the Semis, then they labored through Memphis "No SAT" State for a ring.

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nuleafjhawk 1 year, 1 month ago

I'm kind of tired of hearing what a class act "the mayor" is.

He's a cry baby - leading a team full of cry babies.

Cry-owa State Cry-clones

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William Blake 1 year, 1 month ago

Dangerous game. ISU has something to prove. We don't. Unless we develop some big time motivation we could pull what we did at Baylor.

I know many believe we need to preserve ourselves for the big dance. I'm not one of those people. I think we need as many games as possible to develop Perry and to work out more scoring options on offense.

Come on, Hawks... bring your "A" game today!

Rock Chalk!

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Dyrk Dugan 1 year, 1 month ago

KU must win this game decisively....if not, we get NO calls down the stretch.

if we're down two, driving to the basket less than a minute to go. they'll have to grab our shorts and pull them down for the foul to be called. we just won't get them. and on the flip side, if we breathe on them wrong if we're up two, then the whistle will be blown.

that said, i think ISU is making a mistake. and the local press here in KC...of making such a big deal of the game there. the Star noted not once but twice, in stories adjacent to each other on the same page, what happened in Ames. that and you get the stupid reference from the kitty coach in their Monday "celebration" of sharing a league title, and there is plenty of bulletin board material for Kansas.

the last line of the article about Iowa St today reads, "third time's a charm," from McGee.

i've never seen so much attention paid to a non call, which can be debated on the merits, in a regular season game before. it's really unprecedented. and now, ISU and fans, be careful what you wish for....the caution flag should be out.

KU 76 ISU 68 Go Jayhawks!

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Jim Stauffer 1 year, 1 month ago

Something that seemed to be true to me as I watched both of the previous games. ISU seemed to lose their legs and begin to miss their threes toward the end of the game.

I think KU needs to really work the ball hard so they have to expend energy on defense , thus bringing fatigue late in the game.

Most of all, it is really a breath of fresh air to see our game with ISU and KSU playing OSU. These are the most attractive matchups at this point in the tourney. If it ends with KU playing KSU, it would be story book for the Sprint Center and the surrounding merchants.

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jaybate 1 year, 1 month ago

Its increasingly obvious that referee foul and violation calling hinges significantly on whether another game is being cut away to. The KU-TTech game had a long intermission scheduled before the next game started, so the referees could (and did) call a bunch of fouls and violations.

The coaching formula grows increasingly clear.

If quick cut away planned after game, foul and violate pretty much non stop.

If no immediate cut away planned after game, play it close to the vest.

The games where there is not quick cut away planned should heavily favor KU's athleticism and skill, and the games with quick cut away's planned should be much tougher for KU, because the opposing coach will be able to use fouling and violations to deny KU's athleticism.

Time for Coach Self to check the cut away timing after the ISU/KU game.

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justinryman 1 year, 1 month ago

I posted this last night on a different thread, but thought I'd share it here too.

Lets start a pool on when the 1st foul against KU is called vs ISU tomorrow.

I will take :38 from the tip.

Also lets have a pool to when the first ISU foul is called.

I will take that the clock will read 14:12 on it.

What ya got?

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Choctaw 1 year, 1 month ago

ISU lives by the three and offensive rebounds. Block out and deny them those offensive rebounds without fouling and it puts all the pressure on their outside shooters. Then you can better control the flow of the game. Our offense is more flexible in that we have both inside and outside games but who shows up is the question. Nobody can take the night off.
No predictions but watch the offensive rebounds as an indicator of how it's going.
Lets put an end to this babble about bad officiating and win this thing! Go Big Blue

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Robert Brown 1 year, 1 month ago

This game makes me nervous. Say what you will about the last game, but this is not a good match up for KU. ISU easily could have won both games. We haven't demonstrated the ability to guard the three and ISU is particularly skilled at shooting the three. They are also skilled at drawing fouls by driving to the basket. I am sure their team will be amped up for this game. It is not a given that KU rolls over ISU in this game.

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Kent Richardson 1 year, 1 month ago

El Kabong Jeff and Baba McLooey beat down the F1 Cyclones.

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Steve Gantz 1 year, 1 month ago

How many times are we going to hear today/tonight through various media outlets about the call at the end of the game?

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Hawkamania 1 year, 1 month ago

Iowa State...Iowa State.

You guys got 51 points from making 3s and 29 points from the charity stripe that game in your house. Meaning, 80 out of your 96 total points came from the 3 and free throw line. 80! A school record 17 made 3s and 22 consecutive free throw makes still couldn't get you the win could it? How was it that a team that shot mainly jumpers and got DOMINATED in the paint in that game end up shooting more FTs then the other team by the way?

Take away your 3s and you have NOTHING Iowa State. NOTHING!

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 1 month ago

KU Jayhawks best not yawn too often as ISU can beat them. If they yawn more than once....after that they are asleep at the wheel.

ISA shooters cannot show up over confident because the Jayhawks will win the game without much effort.

Bottom line both teams have the capability to win. Both teams best not forget. Fans will be pleased to receive a great night of basketball from both sides. Have fun.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 1 month ago

Only 54 tickets available as of 3/15/13 in the AM.

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Michael Luby 1 year, 1 month ago

Our guards Trav, EJ and Naa need to light that fire... like now Fellas!!! Or Jhawkaustin is right. We wont win. We cant rely on Withey having a career night tonight. We Can and will have Ben doing just that. Repeat performance tonight for absolute sure. Watch out, movie reference coming! Give Sherron a big afro wig and put him in the game!

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timcampbell 1 year, 1 month ago

Live by the three, die by the three.

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Danny Hernandez 1 year, 1 month ago

but what happens if ISU's 3's aren't falling? They really have no inside game of to speak of

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Steve Zimmerman 1 year, 1 month ago

If KU came out and played like vs Tech, there's no way ISU would win this time. Not even a tad teeneey chance.

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d_bradley27 1 year, 1 month ago

Ours boys will be looking for a little payback of our own.... thrown objects, racial slurs, charging fans. We haven't forgotten. Bring it Cyclones. We've been waiting for you.

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