Tuesday, March 12, 2013

Jayhawks: ‘There’s nothing to celebrate’

The Big 12 trophy sits in the players lounge on Monday, March 11, 2013, at Allen Fieldhouse. Kansas University earned a share of the title with Kansas State.

The Big 12 trophy sits in the players lounge on Monday, March 11, 2013, at Allen Fieldhouse. Kansas University earned a share of the title with Kansas State.



The Big 12 trophy sits in the players lounge on Monday, March 11, 2013, at Allen Fieldhouse. Kansas University earned a share of the title with Kansas State.

Kansas State’s basketball players and coaches clipped the nets before about 3,000 fans Monday in Bramlage Coliseum in celebration of the school’s first men's conference hoops championship since 1977.

There was no such commotion at Kansas University — where the co-Big 12 champion Jayhawks, like the Wildcats, lost Saturday to see their final league record settle at 14-4.

“We didn’t pop any bubbly on the way back from Waco, trust me,” KU coach Bill Self said of the aftermath of the Jayhawks’ 81-58 loss to Baylor.

He did congratulate his players for winning a ninth-consecutive Big 12 crown on the bus ride from Topeka’s Forbes Field to Lawrence on Saturday night and, on Monday afternoon, handed each of his players league-title hats and T-shirts following a critical film session.

“I wouldn’t say we’ve celebrated at all,” KU senior center Jeff Withey said. “We lost when we won it. It’s not a very good way to win it.”

It’s safe to say there will be no pep rally in Lawrence this week in advance of KU’s Big 12 quarterfinal contest against either Texas Tech or West Virginia, set for a 2 p.m. tipoff Thursday at Sprint Center in Kansas City, Mo.

“Are they?” Withey said Monday when informed the Wildcats had scheduled a pep rally for Monday night. “We’re Kansas. We’re not going to do that. We’re just looking forward to the (Big 12) tournament coming up.”

Or as senior guard Elijah Johnson noted: “I mean, it’s nine straight, but we don’t celebrate until everything is said and done. There’s nothing to celebrate about right now, anyway.”

Though mighty disappointed in KU’s 23-point loss to Baylor — a game that took place after KSU’s loss at Oklahoma State — Self has made sure to tell his players “congratulations” more than a few times.

“One game can’t take away from what our guys have accomplished, what they’ve done through the course of the conference season,” Self said. “We are not real pleased the way we ended it. I’m proud we got a piece of it. I look forward to going to Kansas City and seeing what happens there.”

Self said he’s heard from several individuals who have said, ‘“Congratulations, great accomplishment, it sucks how you did it.’ That’s not true. It doesn’t stink. It’s a great feat for our guys.

“It’s never great losing the last game of a regular season. If you look at the body of work, since Jan. 10 it has been pretty impressive. Eliminate eight days (three consecutive losses), and it’s been really impressive. We’ll talk about it (title), but I don’t see any reason to be giddy about it or celebrate it in a big way because I want our guys to still sting, to still feel even though we’re happy with our accomplishment, why would we not put a foot on a throat (at BU)? Why would we take the foot off the gas? We’ve got to have that killer instinct so moving forward if we experience some success we don’t think that success automatically comes to you. You’ve got to work every day.”

Self said KSU was equally deserving.

“We’re not going to apologize for sharing it at all, and congratulations to K-State. I hate that they share it with us, but they deserve it because they had a great year,” Self said. “They won some big games away from home, too. It’s one of those things that I don’t know if people around here — and maybe rightfully so — really appreciate what it is, but from a guys’ locker-room standpoint, from a coaches’ locker-room standpoint, you want to be the best that you compete against. For us, that’s also (North) Carolina, Kentucky, Duke, Michigan State and some other people that we run against. The primary deal is, you spend 21⁄2 months of your season trying to win a league championship. Why would you discredit winning a league championship when you spend so much time trying to do it?

“To get nine in a row, or a piece of it, is pretty cool,” he added, noting everybody on the team has “maxed out.” “If they’ve been here five years, they’ve got five rings. If they’ve been here three years, they’ve got three rings.”

Withey said the BU game is now officially past tense.

“We’ve forgot about that game already,” he said. “We can learn from it for sure. At the end of the day, we are still champions. We won it with K-State. We did our job. We’re going to try winning the tournament. It’s all we focus on.”

Traditionally, winners of the Big 12 tournament also clip the nets.

“It’s for pride,” Withey said of the upcoming tourney. “Whoever wins it was best team in the league. We definitely want to win it. It’d help us get a No. 1 seed hopefully in the NCAA Tournament.”

Weber’s line sparks no comment: The Wichita Eagle’s account of Monday’s KSU pep rally reports that “coach Bruce Weber joked that he had hoped to celebrate a Big 12 championship a week earlier on Senior Day, but poor officiating — referring to KU’s overtime victory at Iowa State — got in the way.”

Reached by the Journal-World for a reaction to that news item, Self said: “No comment.”


Born_And_Raised_A_KU_Fan 1 year, 1 month ago

Just checked the series history between Kansas and Kansas State: Since the firing of Ted Owens in 1983, Kansas has won 67 of the last 76 meetings. That's right. KU is 67-9 against KSU in men's hoops, beginning with a 65-54 win by KU over KSU in Lawrence on January 28, 1984.


jhawkrulz 1 year, 1 month ago

Bruce Weber has issues: This year, they really didn't have a team, and had to run a four guard set. This counteracts height with speed. Usually, teams if they are good they can counteract this, by pounding inside and getting points. For KU, this year it actually plays into their strength. It allowed Naadir to run point, EJ to the 2, McL to the 3, Rel to the 4, and Withey of course at the 5. It allows matchup improvements for our entire team.

It seems to me to be a gimmick and typically has not gone well for the teams that face teams in the tournament. I can think of Duke and Missouri that both were running the 4 guard set last year. Duke because of a late injury and Missouri because they couldn't get forwards to go to school there (but I'm still surprised they get anyone to go there).

This year I think it will be interesting to see both KSU and UNC who are both running 4 guard sets to see how they do. I really think that it is a gimmick that with the right coaching can be exploited.


William Blake 1 year, 1 month ago

That trophy looks like a crystal catcher's mitt!


kay_you 1 year, 1 month ago

Did ou celebrate their conference football title?


Born_And_Raised_A_KU_Fan 1 year, 1 month ago

For those of you who are tuning in late and wondering why some of the responses don't make sense - another KSU troll was banned from the site. Since Saturday, when they forged a co-title with us, they've been a lot more brazen toward us.


Janet Olin 1 year, 1 month ago

C'mon, Jayhawk fans! In response to someone saying in Nov. KU, would go 14-4 in the league and be champion, almost every fan would say, "Hell, yeah!" Yes, coaches/players/fans are disappointed they didn't win it outright. Taking the low-key approach will hopefully keep the players focused for the tournaments (Big 12 and NCAA) Don't criticize KSU for celebrating its first league title in many years. We would be celebrating too if roles were reversed. Grow up and be happy for the players and their success.


Armen Kurdian 1 year, 1 month ago

Great! We have to share a title with K-State when it should have been our own. We suck! And HCBS sucks! And March Madness sucks! And the team sucks, and KU sucks, and the guy who sells pop on the second deck north side named Frank sucks, and puppies suck...

I'm trying out for the next D&D movie as a troll. How'm I doing?


jaybate 1 year, 1 month ago


A hot new thriller in which 22rd Century cyborgs trained to run the motion offense time travel to the present to dominate D1 basketball with illegal screens.

The cyborg teams are Duke, K-State, ISU and others. Some run the motion offense with a post, while others run the open post motion offense.

See sliding ball screens, drive blocking screens, feet chopping screens, and many more.

Just as the referees cannot call more than 35 fouls in a game, they also cannot call more than 3 moving screen violations. So: clever coaches coach their cyborgs to set moving screens on every play.

A few hold outs fight to play the game the right way.

But their leader warns: "Its what they do. Its all they do. And they absolutely will not stop setting moving screens until you start drive blocking them on their cuts and injuring them!"


joeloveshawks 1 year, 1 month ago

Why is this Kal guy posting on a KU board? Do any KU fans do this on other sites? I really hope not.


Kevin Jenkins 1 year, 1 month ago

No celabrations is right. Funny article that changed into a Webber bashing, okay. I am more interested in that our team can just put away this sharing business and hoist the trophy into the air, both the Big 12 and national championship. Just get your heads in the right place and show which part of the State rules..Yes our coached recruited our players and should know them better. So lets GO and show the kittes who we are and who they are. ROCK EM.


Jack Wilson 1 year, 1 month ago

Maybe I look at this the wrong way -- many here are essentially making fun of KSU for having a pep rally. Really? Suppose we tied for the Big 12 football title. You think Weis might have a few folks to Memorial Stadium? It might be a full weekend pep rally/party. KSU hadn't won a title for 34 or so years. No reason for us to look down our noses at them for it. It does us no good to engage in that -- we are an elite program. We play at a different level, and have expectations at a different level. Just fact. Conference titles are expected. Top 10s are expected. It's a different life. It's like the guy that gets promoted from assistant manager at Taco Bell to manager. His family should celebrate. But the orthopedic surgeon shouldn't mock the celebration, right? Different worlds. I think it demeans us to mock their celebration.

And I posted this the other day: I'm sorry, you folks that don't think Weber is COY really have your blinders on. KSU's talent isn't near our talent. No players that will get drafted and none that will play in the NBA. They weren't ranked in the top 25 in the preseason, and they were picked to finish 5th in the Big 12. Not only that, but coming in and taking over someone else's players is a huge challenge. To fend off transfers or other issues is a big deal.

We have two sure fire NBA players and and 4 senior starters that have been in Self's system for a number of years (3 of them).

Perhaps Weber can't recruit, but he sure as heck can coach. Self did a great job -- yes. But Weber's was simply more impressive in just looking at this season. That's all. Now, when we win it next season replacing all 5 starters, it will be a diferent discussion of course.

This was truly the best coaching job in the Big 12. If you can't recognize it, then you really are viewing life through crimson and blue colored glasses, and without any real objectivity.

Just my opinion.


Tony Bandle 1 year, 1 month ago

I love the header kinds of tells the whole story. Kansas State puts together a bogus net cutting ceremony days after their default crown and Kansas, casually puts the trophy on a table which appears to be in a day care center with no fanfare or ta-doo.


Thank God I didn't go to K-State's Architectural School....... i would have become the best silo designer in the St.Louis area!!!


JayHawkFanToo 1 year, 1 month ago

This is what Soren Petro posted about voting for HC Self ad Coach of the Year:

"I’ve already taken e-mails from KSU fans about my belief that you need to win the conference to win the coach of the year award stance and I’m sure there are many more to come after my choice of Bill Self. I have no problem with Bruce Weber winning the Big XII award or if he ends up winning the AP award as well once the ballots are tallied (I expect him to win it).

For me, it came down to how much of the coaching on the Kansas St. team was done by Weber and how much was done by Frank Martin? What percentage of the credit goes to Frank Martin for coaching the toughness in the Cats is debatable, what is not debatable is that Weber benefitted from it (not to mention almost every minute was played by Martin’s recruits).

In Lawrence, the entire team was assembled and coached for their entire college career by Bill Self. For that reason I gave the nod to Self. Had Travis Ford tied for the conference championship, I would have given the award to him."

He makes a lot of sense.


jgkojak 1 year, 1 month ago

This idea that it sucks is ridiculous.

Had we lost to Baylor on Monday and beat Texas Tech on Saturday we'd be celebrating. That's silly.

We know darn well what game (TCU) we should have won... we also know darn well that we had a game (ISU) that we should have lost. Its sports Karma.

We also know that your team usually loses in the Tourney by the method of most of your in-season losses. So expect us to be flat offensively and go on a 7 minute scoring drought in the Sweet 16.


stinkybulldog 1 year, 1 month ago

Bruce Weber is the squirrliest looking dude I've ever seen. I bet he laughs like Eric Gordon from Billy Madison.


Phognatic 1 year, 1 month ago

We are not infallible, but the behavior out of this year's team makes me proud. First EJ apologizes on national TV for an ill advised end-of-the game dunk and now these "win like you've been there" comments from Bill and our boys are refreshing.

K-State, I get it. You have so little to hang your cowboy at on. First basketball league title in 35 years? Frank Martin's recruits are going to be gone soon, so it's all down hill from here with Webs, so you think lets celebrate like hell as if we actually won the league. Sorry, tying us in a year we beat you twice, rules be damned, you didn't win the title. I still have no ill will towards K-State like Mizzou, but this is classic, blind sad K-State enthusiasm.


Sally Presson 1 year, 1 month ago

I'm sick to death of hearing about our 3 losses in a row, good grief, they more than made up for those losses and have given us a heck of a year!!! Let's encourage instead of making stupid wise cracks, these boys have made us proud in so many ways, we have a heck of a team and they are going to show you negative people what the Jayhawks can and will do at the Big 12 tournament and the NCAA tournament!!! Everyone of our players have a very strong and good character, I just hope the team knows how much they mean to all the Jayhawk fans.

Rock Chalk guys!!! Have a great tournament!!!


oddgirl 1 year, 1 month ago

just 3000 people? from the way K-State fans were jumping up and now about this on twitter, I would have expected that building to be packed.


Dee Shaw 1 year, 1 month ago

Not to get personal but I can't resist. Anyone else out there that can't stand how Bruce Webers voice sounds. Every time I hear that guy talk especially on the radio its like fingernails down the chalk board. It's this high pitch voice that is so annoying. Sorry just had to say that.


JayHok 1 year, 1 month ago

Some good posts here. No disrespect to KSU fans it's their coach that planned this crazy thing. Credit to many KSU fans for staying away from this knowing it was not the right time to cut a net especially after a tie. Bad bad timing. Biggest problem. Bruce Weber doesn't give credit to anybody else anytime his team loses. The other problem is he is just such a Whiner. Many KSU fans have to be covering their ears. The whining and not giving credit to other teams goes completely against all the values KSU fans supposedly embrace through Snyder which supposedly has transferred to themselves. Snyder is always the first to compliment another coach, team or player. Always the last to whine about a referee in fact he doesn't because that's what losers do. Not hardheaded enough to rip down the goalposts and make it public when they tied for the big 12 championship. Weber just revealed who he really is.


Kevin Huffman 1 year, 1 month ago

Might be some hope in the 2014 recruiting - at least in competing with UK.

Through the grapevine heard the talk of them likely landing No. 4 - PF Trey Lyles (from Indianapolis) & the thought is with already having signed Towns Jr. & then coupling that with Lyles, unlikely to go and get No. 1 J. Okafor (C). And if no Okafor, probably no Tyus Jones (No. 2 [PG]) - - - sounding like they'd target E. Mudiaye.

I'd seen us in the list of Jones's schools but not Oklafor's which is a curious thing with him being out of Chicago.

Having said all of this I've thought all along that those two were likely to go to Duke. A lot of rumors have been out there that J. Parker might even stick around for a 2nd year so that he could play 1 year w/ Okafor.


William Blake 1 year, 1 month ago

"Jayhawks: ‘There’s nothing to celebrate’"

Glad to know there is still "a sausage on a string" (something left to fight for). We can celebrate 9 games from now.

Weber is a blessing for us. He can coach well-enough to give us a competitive game, while he blabs his lip enough to always keep us charged to play them.

Perfect situation for us looking forward!

Thanks, Brucey!


MinorThreat 1 year, 1 month ago

I always thought B. Weber would be a great used car salesman. Like Bernie Mac in Transformers 1.


phoggy_toast 1 year, 1 month ago

Hey Bruce and K-State nation,

Withey stated it best -

“Are they?” Withey said Monday when informed the Wildcats had scheduled a pep rally for Monday night. “We’re Kansas. We’re not going to do that.

All KU has done since your last conference title in 1977 is:

Win 2 National Championships Participate in 5 National Championship games Appear in 8 Final Fours 30 NCAA tournament appearances including a nation leading 23 consecutive Win 14 conference tournament championships 20 regular season championships ....and by the way we have current streak of 9 straight and counting!!!!!!

That sounds like one hell of a 5 hour energy commercial......what have you done in those 36 years between conference titles?


Born_And_Raised_A_KU_Fan 1 year, 1 month ago

Bill Self's coaching job against Baylor sucked, but his refusal to dignify Bruce Bedwetter with a response rules.


Tony Bandle 1 year, 1 month ago

Weber has "Self" envy in that he never really got credit at Illinois because he had Bill's players during his good seasons and his own players during the rest of his not-so-good Illinois career.

Remember, this is the chucklehead who held a mock funeral to bury the memory of Bill Self!!!

Ideally, we meet Kansas State in the Finals and wipe the floor with them for a triple victory, season sweep of the Kitty Litter Kats!!


akgjenkintown 1 year, 1 month ago

Weber is a jerk, plain and simply who has an inferiority complex when it comes to Self. Glad Self continues to take the high road. In reality we would not have had to deal with this junk if KU had taken care of business at home against OSU, or on the road against TCU and then again at Baylor. They had their chances to win it outright. Great regular season overall, but still leaves a bad taste sharing the title with Weber.


FearlessJayhawk 1 year, 1 month ago

I feel as if KU didn't win anything. I'm not looking forward to the NCAA tournament because I doubt very seriously any team in the Big 12 is going very far. As far as K-State is concerned, they will continue to be K-State, always the bridesmaid, never the bride. Let them hoot and holler while they can because it ain't going to last long.


Terran Woolley 1 year, 1 month ago

Here....the funeral, the failure, the inferiority complex.....KSU hired the RIGHT guy!


Robert Brown 1 year, 1 month ago

I doubt KSU would have had as much success this year had Frank Martin stayed. KSU had a great year and I don't understand why people here refuse to give Weber credit. Where is all this bitterness coming from. We had a chance to win an undisputed championship and we blew it. At this point we move on. The tournament will be tough. We have a possible match up with Iowa State in the second round which could be a problem. I'm more concerned that we could fall to a #3 seed.


Phil Leister 1 year, 1 month ago

Prior to Saturday, I made some comments wishing for an OSU win so we wouldn't have to share the title. Quite a few people responded by saying, I wish nothing bad against K-State, they're not Mizzou, let's root for the state of Kansas. Now do you see why sharing it sucks so much? Weber is an insufferable piece and Manhattan thinks they're king of the Big XII now.


nuleafjhawk 1 year, 1 month ago

I'm missing Missouri less and less..................


Timmay97 1 year, 1 month ago

Unless I missed it.......why hasn't anyone commented at the fact that Weber has yet to "truly" have success as a coach WITH HIS OWN RECRUITS!!!!

He benefitted at Illinois with what Self left him making it all the way to the Finals. And again, without quite as much talent as he was left any Illinois, he benifitted with what Martin left him.....including a stud senior who could shoot.

I don't doubt Weber is a good coach, but it does kind of tick me off when I hear him get all this credit that I don't think is "completely" warranted.

In my opinion......let's see where K-State is 3-4 years from now. Then we will see how great a coach he really is. Cause if I remember right.....he got FIRED from Illinois.


Jason Keller 1 year, 1 month ago

Bruce Weber has a really punchable face.


nuleafjhawk 1 year, 1 month ago

What a perfect fit at Silo Tech on the Kaw:

A no class coach for a low class program.


Tophawk 1 year, 1 month ago

I don't know why people still think we have a shot with Randle or Wiggins for that matter..ain't happening folks...


fansincewilt 1 year, 1 month ago

Thank you, thank you Coach Weber. Thank you for that beautiful gift. I think our guys just might need that extra incentive that you just handed them. Thank you, thank you.


Michael Luby 1 year, 1 month ago

We are Kansas. We dont need to celebrate league championships. When it happens, we just go NEXT!


Janet Scott 1 year, 1 month ago

Finishing in a tie for first for Manure U in Big 12 basketball this year doesn’t even register as meaningful to them versus the following prestigious awards they’ve won: -- In 1935, the Nobel Prize for Manure Chemistry -- In 1962, the Artful Impressions Using the Fine Manures of the World Award -- In 1891, the Creating the Finest Manure-Based Perfumes of the World Award -- In 2001, the International Gold Shovel Award for Fastest Manure Shovel in the West


jaybate 1 year, 1 month ago

Jaybate's Basketball Mythbusters

Myth: Bruce Weber had surgery to have a foreskin removed from his head.

Bust: False. Bruce still has it.


Sarah Carr 1 year, 1 month ago

Stay classy, Hawks, and take care of business in Kansas City!


nostradavid 1 year, 1 month ago

Cutting down the nets at a pep rally two days after your last loss is really funny. ( It's been a long time since 1977.)

Almost as funny as plumber's crack camouflage ...

image vs. reality

image vs. reality by nostradavid


phogphan2000 1 year, 1 month ago

Some UK fans were pointing out this pic from instagram with Randle wearing a Wildcats shirt. Has probably been posted to some article already.

May not mean anything, may have been an upload of an old pic, but doesn't look good.


phogphan2000 1 year, 1 month ago

This seems like a great place to be, not down on themselves 'cause they kept the streak alive but also far from satisfied. They want the Big12 title, probably also really want a chance to spank ISU in KC. I just hope they are far from satisfied after that should they accomplish those goals. I also like that Jeff is talking 1 seed if they win the Big12, hopefully KU is a 2 like last year and it puts a chip on their shoulders again. It was ridiculous that people didn't even talk about KU as a 1 seed last year, the resume was as good as at least 2 other 1 seeds but not even given consideration by the media.

Wow, just when you're ready to let go of all the things Weber has said before.

I'm a Kansas, I have a brother that went to KU and have attended many KU games, but I'm not an alum. I also have had cousins go to KSU and I root for both teams. Having Weber at KSU makes it nearly impossible to root for KSU at this point, plus KSU fans in general are a lot more annoying than KU fans. Weber is trying really hard to do anything possible to spark a rivalry/debate/hype around KSU/KU. Well it's tourney time now Bruce, teams aren't going to sleepwalk against you the way they have all season in the Big12.

It does kill me that the nation is still making such a big deal out of a NO CALL. Not a bad call in the wrong direction which happens multiple times in every game, but a no call at the end of regulation which while I subscribe to calling the game for all 40 minutes, is more the norm than the exception. How many times have I also seen unnecessary dunks/pts scored by a team obviously about to win the game since EJ's dunk? Plenty.


Tophawk 1 year, 1 month ago

thanks for the bulletin board material Bruce!!! if KU/K-State meet it doesn't bode well for the Wildcats this weekend in KC...


texashawk10 1 year, 1 month ago

I sincerely wish Bruce Weber enough luck to keep KSU good enough to hang around for awhile, but not good enough to ever come close to beating KU. I just don't have the respesct for Weber that I do for Frank Martin because of all stupid crap he says and does. Martin didn't complain like a school girl without a date to a dance about officiating and Martin also gives credit where credit is due unlike Weber.

Hell, I even respect Norm Stewart as a coach and person infinitely more than Weber. Stewart is Missouri's Fambrough and played a significant role in making the Border War the rivalry that it was. Stewart was classy enough to come back to Lawrence after he retired and let KU honor him with a rocking chair and one last "Sit down Norm!" chant. That day showed to everyone how much respect Stewart truly had for KU and for what the rivalry meant. Do I like Norm Stewart, no because he the face of the enemy for many years, but I do respect the man and yes it's possible to dislike and respect them at the same time.

There are three coaches that I truly have no respect for as coaches and they are Weber, Scott Drew, and Billy Tubbs. Weber I already explained, Scott Drew is just a tool of a person. How pitiful is it when a coach has to beg the fans to rush the court? After watching the Danny and the Miracles special on CBS Sports, Billy Tubbs still comes across as the same arrogant a-hole he was as OU's coach.


nwhawk 1 year, 1 month ago

Dear Bruce,

Get used to what you're feeling.

Yours truly,


P.S. Stay classy.


Sam Constance 1 year, 1 month ago

What kind of joke is that? An unfunny one?

To me, Weber messed up the punchline. It should have been

"coach Weber joked that he had hoped to celebrate a Big 12 championship a week earlier on Senior Day, but poor coaching--referring to his inability to do more than hold a 2-point lead for 38 seconds out of 80 minutes played against Self's Jayhawks--got in the way."

Now THAT'S comedy. The coach of the year being unable to defeat a fellow competitor for said COY award and then having the balls to make jokes about officiating costing an outright championship.

What a little stain.


Ethan Berger 1 year, 1 month ago

I love Witheys comments. "We’re Kansas. We’re not going to do that."

I hate conf tourneys, they have to much weight on them. Ex. Liberty. Does nothing all year but win the tourney so now they go dancing. However, I'm looking forward to our conf tourney. It would be nice to settle once and for all we are the king of the big 12 this year. We swept the co champs, so honestly winning it would be for the rest of USA to accept us as the best. We gave every opportunity for someone to take away our streak. Lost to the worst team, lost at home and went on a three game losing streak. We asked them to end our streak and they just couldn't. That is why Kansas is the best, even when we are at our worst, it is better then you. I felt ISU got jobbed but come on that was two weeks ago, they need to drop it asap.


omari1911 1 year, 1 month ago

Bruce Weber just can't help opening his mouth and having stupid [expletive] flow out of it.

Hey Bruce, how 'bout you just accept your gift of a shared championship on that silver platter and do your best to act like you've been there before... and we'll forget that your team lost to ours both times we met?


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