Baylor defeats Kansas, 81-58

  • 5 p.m., March 9, 2013
  • The Ferrell Center, Waco, TX

Saturday, March 9, 2013

Bear-ly worth celebrating: KU blown out by Baylor but ties for Big 12 crown

Elijah Johnson (15) leaves the court as Baylor fans surround Baylor players at half court after KU's 81-58 loss to the Baylor Bears Saturday in Waco.

Elijah Johnson (15) leaves the court as Baylor fans surround Baylor players at half court after KU's 81-58 loss to the Baylor Bears Saturday in Waco.


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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

KU coach Bill Self talks after loss to Baylor

Kansas coach Bill Self talks after his team's 81-58 loss to Baylor on March 9, 2013.

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— There was no dancing, no high-fiving, no hugging, no hoisting of the Big 12 championship trophy in Kansas University’s basketball locker room on Saturday night in Ferrell Center.

“It doesn’t feel like we won it at all, really,” KU senior center Jeff Withey said after the Jayhawks’ 81-58 blowout loss at Baylor.

“We tied with Kansas State (for league crown). It’s cool to win nine in a row, but it just stinks to lose.”

All the celebrating took place on the court, where the home team’s students were invited by BU coach Scott Drew. He grabbed a microphone and asked the students to join his (18-13, 9-9) players, who may have claimed an NCAA Tournament berth by beating the No. 4-ranked (26-5, 14-4) Jayhawks.

KU’s players, meanwhile, were left to wonder what the heck happened just hours after Kansas State lost to Oklahoma State — a loss that guaranteed KU a share of its ninth straight conference crown no matter the outcome of Saturday’s BU game.

“I didn’t watch it, but had people text me. They said K-State (also 14-4) lost to Oklahoma State,” Withey said. “I don’t think it affected us. If anything it should have given us more energy to play harder (knowing a win would give KU the undisputed crown).

“We were talking in the locker room beforehand. Maybe we thought it was ours already. Baylor didn’t (and) beat us up,” Withey added.

The Bears handed the Jayhawks their second-worst loss in the 10-year Bill Self era. Texas beat KU by 25 points (80-55) on Feb. 25, 2006, in Austin, Texas.

“I went in and told my team, ‘Hey, bad job, but congratulations,’ one of those deals,” Self said. “I’m happy we got a ninth. I will never apologize for winning a league championship. It’s not entirely the way we scripted it, which is obvious.”

BU’s Cory Jefferson, who had never hit a three in his career, went 3-for-3 from three and scored 25 points with seven rebounds and three blocks. Guard Pierre Jackson hit 11 of 13 shots, good for 28 points with 10 assists and six rebounds. He was four boards shy of a triple double.

“They were terrific. They totally dominated the game,” Self said, adding “hell no” with a laugh when asked if he thought Jefferson could shoot that well.

Self said he didn’t think the Jayhawks relaxed just because they knew they’d claim at least a tie for the league title no matter what happened against Baylor.

“I would think it’d play to our favor,” Self said. “I’d like to blame it on that. I can’t blame it on that. We have played with our backs to the wall (since three-game losing streak). We had the golden opportunity and didn’t jump through the hoop.

“If K-State would have won today, this would have been the pressure of an NCAA Tournament game. You’d have to win to get a piece of it. It would have put us in a one-and-done mindset. We didn’t have that as much. It seems to me it’d be easier to play.

“I’m not Joe Lunardi (of bracketology fame) ... Baylor needed this game. They got it. They deserve to be in the tournament. I think this will put them in the field.”

KU, which was led by Ben McLemore’s 23 points, actually had a chance to win this one down the stretch. The Jayhawks cut a 17-point deficit to six (61-55 at 6:21), courtesy of an 11-0 run (Perry Ellis six points, McLemore five).

Little did anybody know BU would dominate the rest of the game, finishing with 20 points to KU’s three.

“When we cut it to six, I still thought we were still climbing a pretty steep hill,” Self said. “We were in the game, we just had to get stops. Isaiah Austin made a great left-handed hook shot (to start game-ending run). It was a pro move. We gave them four points right after that with our offense. We had a chance to get back in it multiple times and didn’t take advantage. They made plays. They had two players play about as well as any two have played against us in a long time on the same team.”

Asked what happened after KU cut it to six, Withey noted: “Every time we did something good, they did something better. It’s all defense.”

BU hit 57.7 percent of its shots to KU’s 37.5 percent. Both teams hit six threes, KU in 19 attempts and Baylor in 12. Freshman Ellis finished with 12 points, while Elijah Johnson had 10 and Withey eight for KU.

“I’m not happy,” Self said. “I’m a lot happier than I would be if it was different and we finished second. Now we have a chance to go to Kansas City (for Big 12 tournament) and see who the best team is basically.”

KU, as the No. 1 seed in the Big 12 Tournament, will play at 2 p.m. Thursday against the winner of Wednesday’s game between Texas Tech and West Virginia. If KU wins, it would play in the 6:30 p.m. semifinals Friday against either Oklahoma or Iowa State. The finals are 5 p.m. Saturday.


KansasComet 8 years, 3 months ago

Time to move on and get ready for the Big XII Tournament! Let's go Jayhawks! Hopefully, the first of 5 straight games in Kansas City!

Jim Erickson 8 years, 3 months ago

Agree... No negative feelings here. It would be nice to visit Allen Field House West one day and look up at their conference title banner... Nice because it will remind me the year (one of many really) where we destroyed them twice!

squawkhawk 8 years, 3 months ago

Sounds good until you realize that they have now won Big 12 championships in both money sports in the same year while KU continues to win in one and sux in the other.

Alex Laughlin 8 years, 3 months ago

Unfortunate they couldn't get it done in the BCS game, huh?

Jim Erickson 8 years, 3 months ago

I realize that, though throwing in football has nothing to do with my comment. We have something truly great with Kansas basketball. KState has nothing truly great. No national championships in sports that matter.

Ryan Shelton 8 years, 3 months ago

And now we get to look forward to groovy new camo unis!

nostradavid 8 years, 3 months ago

It looked like RG3 was wearing Baylor's new style.

texashawk10 8 years, 3 months ago

RG3 had a camo shirt underneath a black jersey.

Justin Millsap 8 years, 3 months ago

Incorrect. Baylor is one of the teams who agreed to let adidas put sleeves on their post-season limited edition jerseys. RG3 was wearing one of them. The sleeves are attached.

KJD 8 years, 3 months ago

I was happy when K-State got beat and celebrated number 9. Then watched our stinker in Waco. The guys seemed flat to me. How about a big Congratulations to the Lady Jayhawk's for making it a great night for KU!

Women's Indoor Track & Field Team Final Scores

56 Oregon

44 Kansas

43 LSU

42.5 Arkansas

Kansas Individual Champions:

Long Jump, Andrea Geubelle, Sr

Triple Jump, Andrea Geubelle, Sr

Pole Vault, Natalia Bartnovskaya, Jr

Here is how all the Lady J's finished:

Weight: 6-Alena Krechyk, Sr (3 points)

Long Jump: 1-Andrea Geubelle, Sr (10 points); 3-Francine Simpson, Sr (6 points)

60 M: 11-Paris Daniels, Sr

200 M: 8-Paris Daniels, Sr (1 point)

Shot Put: 12-Anastasiya Muchkayev, Fr

Pole Vault: 1-Natalia Bartnovskaya, Jr (10 points); NH-Demi Payne, Jr

Triple Jump: 1-Andrea Geubelle, Sr (10 points)

400 M: 6-Diamond Dixon, Jr (3 points)

4x400 M: 8-1) Denesha Morris Sr; 2) Paris Daniels Sr; 3) Taylor Washington Sr; 4) Diamond Dixon Jr (1 point)

johninkc1 8 years, 3 months ago

Hope the players enjoy practice the next few days. I am glad I won't be there. The players should have something to prove. This team can be good when they play as a team and average when they don't. Today, average would have got beat by 10, not 23. OUCH!

johninkc1 8 years, 3 months ago

Wait, did I somehow get re-routed to the women's track and field article.

KJD 8 years, 3 months ago

Yes. Yes you did. It sure beats re-digesting that trip to Waco. Biggest night in Kansas track and field in a long, long time. #9 in a row for Men's B-Ball is sweet AND runner-up's for a national championship is pretty great too. Just beating LSU and Arkansas at a National meet was a great feat.

Dave Benjamin 8 years, 3 months ago

I typically think you're a joke and offer nothing to benefit anyone who supports KU athletics but that was fantastic. Bill Self and Bob Stoops are one in the same.

kranny 8 years, 3 months ago

Yes, they are-sort of. They both have won national championships, big 12 titles, and played for national championships while coaching elite programs. The true identities of the first 2 posters in this thread have been revealed, they're: Captains Obvious and No-$h!t Sherlock from the countries of Who Gave You the First Clue. Ridiculous Post.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

umm..Yes it was. #1 seed and outright Big 12 championship on the line, if that doesn't meet the criteria of a 'big game' I don't know what does. We were soundly beaten in just about every category there is.

HCBS said this team was soft and they are.

VaJay 8 years, 3 months ago

Not true. We will likely get a #1 seed if we win out in the B12 Tourney. Also - this team does not always play soft, and gets after it when big things are at stake (like taking down OSU, KSU, & ISU on their home courts). Unfortunately, I think the combination of KSU losing (taking some pressure off) and Baylor hitting ridiculous shots they haven't hit all year was what did us in. The tourney schedule is in our favor - we'll have a tough semi final game, but should win & then we will only have to face one team from the other bracket in the final.

I think we're looking good.

okjhok 8 years, 3 months ago

Doesn't matter if you think it was a big or not...the ones on the court obviously didn't think it was.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

You mean the Baylor players and the fans who rushed the court? Pretty sure they thought it was a BIG GAME.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

Considering it kept their tourney hopes alive, it was a big game for them. Not so much for us.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

We'd sown up our 9th straight title and are on track for a 1 or 2 seed. If there's ever a good time to lose in March, this was it.

JayHawkFanToo 8 years, 3 months ago

And KU is still champion and still #1 seed,,,

theend 8 years, 3 months ago

This was a really easy win for Baylor......and that in itself is quite troubling.

But not much to do about it now.

I really don't want the #1 seed anyway. I can't imagine we will get it now.....not after a loss like this.

Well....I guess we will see what happens in KC.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

The thing is, EVERYBODY has had losses like this, with the possible exception of Gonzaga. So the 1 seed is still in play depending on what happens this week.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

Not on the last day of the regular season and this is the 2nd loss of this magnitude this year. TCU over KU WAS the biggest upset this season. KU gave the selection committee all the needed to drop us out of the top seeds.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

Sure, but it's not just about what we do. They can't drop us out of the 1 or 2 spots unless some other teams step up. Everyone else is losing too. It just depends on what happens this week.

Steve Reigle 8 years, 3 months ago

We have to give credit to Baylor. They've had a rough year but today they showed how good they can be when they play together as a team. This was an old fashioned butt whoopin'. Congratulations to Baylor but I still hope we beat them next time we meet them.

Kevin Huffman 8 years, 3 months ago

Play together as a team?!?! All the 'hawks had to do was defend TWO players & they couldn't even handle that. I was most embarrassed by the play of Releford, Young & Tharpe. To be fair, P.Jackson probably should've fouled out about halfway through the 2nd half with the muggings he was allowed to get away with. Good defense isn't being able to be ALL OVER a guy like he was a coat!

Steve Zimmerman 8 years, 3 months ago

have you ever thought why BS emptied the bench when we're down by 20 instead of letting the seniors/starters finish the game (and hoped to lose by single digit only)? this is one of those BS' tactics to: get BU a chance in NCAA tourney, avoid no.1 seed, prepare the team for B12 spanking. chill out. it's not like this team is expected to win it all the way. we don't have offense power, no real pg, etc - we're lucky enough to win the 9th this time. we'll be even luckier if we made it to sweet 16 (LOL).

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

I agree w/your three players but add EJ and Withey to the list. Hopefully Withey picked up some pointers on how to go strong to the hoop and EJ saw what a PG is supposed to do such as having more assists than turnovers

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

Right, Withey has never gone strong to the hoop and EJ has never had more assists than turnovers. Also, our 26 wins never happened.

William James 8 years, 3 months ago

iamakufan hopes KU beats Baylor next time they play. Earth shattering. Thank you for posting that.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

Your comment, on the other hand, is an invaluable contribution to Internet discourse. I am only glad I was hear to read it.

Suzi Marshall 8 years, 3 months ago

Who were those guys that came out of the locker room for the second half? Certainly not the young men we've known the past two years.

BrianandKati Robertson 8 years, 3 months ago

Can someone tell me why KU didn't go zone when it was obvious to a blind man that they couldn't stop Baylor playing man to man!! Nobody could stay in front of Jackson and noone could stop Corey Jefferson on the blocks. Seemed like our team was perfectly content with sharing a title. Me on the other hand feels like sharing a title is like kissing your sister, well maybe even worse cuz it is K-State we have to share it with! Hell it even seemed like our coach didn't care all that much, He never seemed to get very upset and like I mentioned earlier wouldn't switch up our defense. Oh well atleast we still have tourney play!! Come on boys lets refocus and make a run in the tourney.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

Why save it? It would be better to use it in a live game than in practice.

Marcia Parsons 8 years, 3 months ago

The way they were hitting 3s, zone defense would have been a gift to Baylor.

texashawk10 8 years, 3 months ago

Zone defense encourages 3 point shooting. Is that a good enough reason for you?

nostradavid 8 years, 3 months ago

When have we seen 2 guys on the same team shoot 11 of 13 ? Ouch!

The Waco Worm has turned !

Coach Drew

Coach Drew by nostradavid

Brad Avery 8 years, 3 months ago

It is a lot easier to shoot accurately when the other team does not guard you,

Paul Rupp 8 years, 3 months ago

Tonight, hopefully not forever, cheapens the streak?

Really, Big 12 Champs without the ability to close and play with a little pride?

Kevin Huffman 8 years, 3 months ago

I have a hard time seeing us lose to Tech or WV, but Iowa State SHOULD rout us! :(

Stephan123 8 years, 3 months ago

At least Perry Ellis displays continued improvement. His offensive efforts will be needed come tournament time.

Larry Smith 8 years, 3 months ago

Still a 1 seed going into the Conference tourney. A couple of wins and we will be fine.

Tony Bandle 8 years, 3 months ago

The TCU loss comes back to haunt us..still, #9 and a high NCAA seed, plus 26 victories going into the BIg 12 Tourney with this talent level is indeed a testament to Bill Self and his staff.

I defy any coach in America do more with less than Bill has!!!

Robert Brown 8 years, 3 months ago

No one believes that Bill Self has less to work with, especially when compared to other conference teams. Who does more with less? Start with Brad Stephens at Butler. There are a lot of successful school that start out with less talent than KU.

Mike Barnhart 8 years, 3 months ago

This teams goal every year is to secure the "one seed" in Kansas City. Once that was done, it had to be REALLY hard to find the energy to face a team you'd just blown out a few weeks back. On the other hand, this was Baylors' only shot at an NCAA invitation.

So what!!!!!

stm62 8 years, 3 months ago

Ho hum, just another title. (just kidding of coarse).

AZHawk72 8 years, 3 months ago

We played like a team that already had reached it's goal. There just wasn't any sense of urgency throughout--unless it was a bus ride to the airport.

Coach Self is now carrying a very valuable teaching tool--do this again and we'll be cleaning out the lockers. Losing to the same team in the semis of the tournament last year was the last loss until the national championship, and we weren't supposed to lose the first nor make it to the last.

I'm feeling some creepy coincidences here.

Ryan Michael 8 years, 3 months ago

The worrisome part about this isn't that we lost to Baylor... It's not that we were actually embarrassed by Baylor... The worrisome part is that we have on multiple occasions this season been embarrassed by terrible teams, and we have not one single player on the team who has the fire to kill or be killed.

This team has no killer instinct. None at all. My biggest worry is that we lose to Loyola Marymount (someone like them) in the first round... Why? Because our players are all p you ss ies.

I hate to have to put it that way, but the fact of the matter is when the stuff hits the fan, everybody on this team looks to someone else to bail them out. For the first time in my entire life, I am actually looking forward to this season being over. Regardless of the result. First round loss or National Championship. I just can't wait to have some players that have balls and something to prove.

Steve Zimmerman 8 years, 3 months ago

i'm not worried at all. we don't have the tools to win it all, so, again no worry there because we're not expected to always win (note: 3 loses in a row). BU was awesome today. not gonna deny that. but as a fan, i will always support our players & the coaching staff - and have faith that they'll try their very best to fight till the end.

Jack Jones 8 years, 3 months ago

Seriously? You are "actually looking forward....season being over"? Your last sentence is way out of line > Short memory > K. St. (x2), Iowa St. (x2-OT), OK.St (must win OT -there), Baylor,( AFH) > 9 straight league championships. And all this with a team consisting of basically a 5 man rotation? Sounds like one of those, "Yes, but what have you done for me lately?" kind of persons.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

What's the matter with you people?

No killer instinct? P**sies? Have you even been watching this year? This team has won numerous games against tough competition in hostile road environments -- Columbus, Manhattan, Stillwater, Ames. But because of one road loss in a game we didn't need, after a seven-game win streak that secured the Big 12 title, you're ready to write us off?

JD Roth 8 years, 3 months ago

I agree. This team has done it when the chips are down. Three game losing streak then they win seven in a row before losing to an athletic Baylor team who had their back against the wall. Teams that win at Ames and Stillwater are not pussies. Good GOD some KU fans are spoiled rotten pathetic. They have the right to express their thoughts even when they are full of it. Enjoy a ninth consecutive BIG XII Title why don't you. I was in Salina and I am enjoying Ottawa's 4A State Championship and undefeated season. Ottawa might as well be named the Champions of All Classes in Kansas this season as Ojeleye goes out in style!

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

"Ojeleye goes out in style!" And on his way to Duke..

I sure hope we don't run into any more athletic teams with their backs against the wall.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

TCU? Baylor? A game we didn't need? Outright big 12 champs? A #1 seed in the NCAA? Do you know the odds of a 1 seed winning it all in the NCAA as compared to other seeds?

Don't fret...I know you don't but keep wearing the rose colored glasses Polly.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

Very cute. I don't need rose-colored glasses to see that we've just won our 9th straight conference title and that we've always done just as well or better as a 2 or 3 seed in the Big Dance than we've done as a 1. It's particularly irrelevant this year, when there's no one dominant team that you don't want to have to face in the Elite 8.

I've been watching this team all year, through the good and the bad, and I know we can beat anyone when we play well and lose to anyone when we play poorly. You, on the other hand, apparently only want to remember the TCU and Baylor games and ignore all the great performances we've had. If you think those two bad games are the true measure of our worth as a team, why even bother watching at all? It sounds like you're not getting any fun out of being a fan.

David Howell 8 years, 3 months ago

Ryan_32, I can't say I agree or disagree with you. A lot of what you've said I've thought or said during the year.

Today good old-fashioned karma and a lack of pride beat us. Between lucky wins at ISU and OSU, the refs for sure weren't calling anything our way till it was too late in the game to matter.

EJ and Releford were no-shows as EJ came crashing back to earth after his long lasting 3 game binge. Withey continues to be a shot blocker, but not a quality defender. Teams have figured out to drive, drive and drive some more to the bucket on us as our man to man is so stellar. Whatever happended to switching up defenses every few times up the court to confuse the other team ? Nothing done today confused Baylor.

And did anyone notice that Coach Self seemed to mail it in early on in this game. He just didn't seem as animated this game as normal and I kept thinking he was going to get a technical in the 2nd half to spark them. Heck who could have blamed him for a couple of T's.

On top of all that Big Ben finally had a quality performance in a road game like we hadn't seen in a while. Too bad the rest of the KU boys with the exception of Ellis couldn't join him.

I generally prefer a loss during the Big 12 tournament just prior to the big dance to wake the squad up. This year that loss hopefully while extremely pathetic will wake the boys up for a healthy Big Dance run.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

I hate loosing/embarrassed in the final regular season game..I thought we were peaking at the exact right time. Also having such a bad loss at this time of the season will stick in the minds of the selection committee.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

There was nothing "lucky" about our wins at ISU and OSU.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

Two bad calls went in our favor at the end of the Iowa St. game after a half-dozen bad calls that went against us earlier. Then we came out and crushed them in overtime. We earned that win, just as we did in OT at Stillwater.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

You know, I could rehash all the old arguments about how bad the officiating was on BOTH sides throughout the Iowa State game, but I'm sure you've heard it all before. But if you're actually trying to argue that we were "lucky" to win at Stillwater too, then I think we're done here. You're obviously just trying to trash this team and diminish its accomplishments in any way you can.

Tophawk 8 years, 3 months ago

Time to move on,don't let this loss compound things into more losses(our 3 straight losses) after we lost to Okie State.. we won our 9th straight leaque title!!.. concentrate on the Big12 Tournament and the NCAA Tournament now...good omen: win 9 straight games from here on out after winning 9 straight leaque titles = a NCAA Title..

don't get down guys..behind ya 100% :)

ljmhawk 8 years, 3 months ago

after we lost to ok. state we lost to TCU and OU, then won our 9th

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

Yup..a three way tie when we could have won it all. 5 years from now it will be something to be proud of but I thought OKS 'won' it, we more or less fell into it.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

Yes, KU fans are so disgruntled over one loss that we've apparently awarded the Big 12 title to OSU after the fact.

JD Roth 8 years, 3 months ago

I had to correct a KU fan in Salina, he made the same idiotic comment about a three way tie. OSU lost at Iowa State giving them their 5th conference loss, get a clue......

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

I got a better idea...The only thing massive is your mouth.

JakeBarnes 8 years, 3 months ago

A team that can lose to TCU this year can lose to any major or mid-level team by any number of points. This team has a real problem facing it. On any given night it can collapse, and obviously does.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

This team, and basically every other college basketball team that has ever played the game.

yates33333 8 years, 3 months ago

I can't prove it, but I agree with Barnes. Some teams never lose to bum opponents. Check UNC, Duke, Kentucky when they are having good years. For that matter check most KU teams. This KU team has a good record, but there is some undetected flaw here I just don't know what it is. Maybe Johnson's health, but I doubt it. Certainly not most of what the next post says.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

I'd say the "flaw" is probably just that our only great scorer is a freshman who's somewhat inconsistent (though much more consistent than most freshmen). As Self said earlier in the season, when we don't play with great defensive intensity we look average.

Still, every team this year has flaws, so this doesn't mean we can't win it all.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

Yeah...We lost because Ben is a freshman. Great analysis Polly! ESPN needs you..

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

That's the way you want to play it? OK, if you want to take quotes out of context in order to gratuitously insult people....

"We lost because Ben is a freshman." --Jhawk7782

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

Really? You don't know much about the history of the game do you? This is the age of parity where dynasties no longer exist. Read a book about the history of the game...if you can.

machinegun 8 years, 3 months ago

Top 10 reasons we shot craps against BU:

  1. Just watched K-State shoot craps.
  2. Too many lectures about the merits of the high-low.
  3. Too many plates of nachos.
  4. Worn out from studying.
  5. Just watched Mizzou shoot craps.
  6. Eyes not adjusted to neon.
  7. Too much NASCAR.
  8. Cartoon Saturday.
  9. Confused by "spring forward/fall back" discussion.
  10. Homesick.

Jack Jones 8 years, 3 months ago

JW ~ 34 min. - 3 shots TR-EJ ~ 68 min. - 4-19 KY ~ 15 min. 2 shots KU bench (other than Ellis) ~ 2 pts. Baylor ~ 58%

YIKES!!! Where the___ did that come from?

Michael Luby 8 years, 3 months ago

The refs basically gave this game to Baylor. Withey got fouls just by looking at someone. Total BS. Well lets hope Coach kicks some dirt around in practice and gets those guys ready to win the Conf. Championship and subsequently make some noise in the big dance!
Oh yah, Hey Apherse, Piss off you loser!

Ron Franklin 8 years, 3 months ago

Lulu it was a 23 point loss. Don't blame the refs.

justinryman 8 years, 3 months ago

The sky is falling. The sky is falling. The sky is falling. The sky is falling. The sky is....

OK it's a loss, a bad loss, but oh well. Go home review tape get better from it.

It was a bad storm of a game. They were playing to not go to the NIT. We were playing for....yeah well been there done that.

And for those who say this feels like a tainted title cause KU is sharing it with ksu. It would be the 3rd time in those 9 years that KU has shared a Conference Title. The others are OU and UT.

On the bright side of life, ksu and mu both lost yesterday too.

So don't jump, or pull the rope to tight. Just sit back and wait til Thursday.

Brad Avery 8 years, 3 months ago

It's hard to believe Self could sit before those reporters and calmly analyze this game as if one of the teams was not his own. Perhaps this was not as bad as an effort as the TCU game, but it was a reasonably close second in terms of the lack of effort and execution.

KU was absolutely horrible on defense and not much better on the other end of the floor. I've never seen a Self coached team allow so many unguarded and easy shots and look so pathetic trying to run their half-court sets, either turning the ball over or taking a rushed shot. KU looked like Baylor is supposed to and they looked like us. He's already used the Topeka YMCA analogy, but something equally sweeping and devastating was needed to sum up the effort (or lack thereof) and reset the team 's focus for the post season.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

TCU was much, much worse. We were coming off a loss and going up against the worst team in the conference by far, and we played the worst half in modern-day school history. With Baylor, we've always known they have impressive talent, and it was the most important game of the season for them, whereas it was a game that we didn't need, at the end of a three-week pressure cooker where we had to win every game to win the conference title. Not saying I was happy with it at all, but it's not like losing to the Topeka Y.

Ron Franklin 8 years, 3 months ago

They needed this after getting swollen egos that they were developing after consecutive blowouts.

Ron Franklin 8 years, 3 months ago

Baylor deserves some blame too for letting 2 players shoot 85%

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

It's hard to motivate players for a game they don't need to win.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

Tell that to John Wooden.... You really don't know much about the game do you?

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

I know a lot, actually. I know that in Wooden's era if you didn't win the conference you weren't invited to the NCAA tournament at all. Wooden won the games he had to win.

But yes, if your argument against Self is that he's not as good as John Wooden, I'll go ahead and agree. Unfortunately John Wooden is dead, so I guess we'll have to stick with the inferior coach we have.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

You are writing word and attributing them to me. I think HCBS is in the top three coaches and might be the best. Still, not getting your team ready with so much at stake is inexcusable.

kellerman411 8 years, 3 months ago

I looked at my brother with 10 minutes left and said "does Kevin have a rebound yet?" To which he responded "no". Kevin Young was absolutely owned all game long. He struggles against big physical guys.

texashawk10 8 years, 3 months ago

Kevin Young was guarding Isaiah Austin last night, not Jefferson. Austin is even skinnier than KY is.

ParisHawk 8 years, 3 months ago

This is not a great team, just a very good team.

The conference streak matters a lot, and it's still going. First mission accomplished.

The BIG 12 Tournament now matters.

As far as the NCAAs, there is no great team this year so a very good team could get very lucky - or could flame out the first weekend.

I'm setting the bar at 2+ wins per tournament. Anything more and I'm a happy camper.

Ron Franklin 8 years, 3 months ago

I'm nervous to be paired vs an 8/9 seed MU in KC.

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 3 months ago

Only the top four seeds get the homefield advantage, i believe if the guidance is followed and mu would not be in kc.

Kye Clark 8 years, 3 months ago

The aspect of this game that has me worried is how Pierre Jackson was able to do whatever he wanted to do, all game long. We've seen this before, where KU has no answer for a great PG: Marcus Smart. It's also eerily similar to the OSU loss in that superb PG play was coupled with another player torching us from beyond the arc, this time Corey Jefferson playing the role of Markel Brown (although Jefferson's performance pretty much came out of nowhere whereas Brown's wasn't a surprise). The good news: Jackson & Smart are two of the better PGs in the country, so it's possible we don't run into someone who can burn us like that in the tourney, or at least not before we make a deep run. The bad news: if we do run into that type of PG and can't knock him off his game we're in trouble.

If we meet Baylor in the tournament I want to see KY send a message to Jackson like he did Smart when he knocked him on his butt early in the OSU rematch.

741hawk 8 years, 3 months ago

"The aspect of this game that has me worried is how Pierre Jackson was able to do whatever he wanted to do,"

That bothered me from the beginning. Rele guarded Heslip, their little three point shooter, the whole first half. He started the second half on Jackson, but was switched off later in the half. A waste of defensive talent. Makes me suspicious of how much HCBS wanted this game.

That being said . . . Rock Chalk.

Andy Godwin 8 years, 3 months ago

I have said this since the loss, that the TCU game would come back to bite KU in the butt. Giving KSU a share of the title was a down-right shame, especially after reading the arrogant comments that KU fans posted on the ESPN KSU/OSU site after KSU's loss. The bad losses to TCU and Baylor will drop KU to a #2 seed pending how they play in the Big XII. They have the potential to fall to a #3 seed after a loss to Oklahoma or ISU in KC. The latter team will claim they already beat KU twice and the former split. I just fear that KU ability to lay a stinker at inopportune times may lead to a repeat of Duke and Missouri during last year's NCAA tournament.

I will repeat the how can a team not come out fired up when playing for an outright championship and a #1 seed? It is clear that KU does not have the guard play to make a serious run and get back to the final four. Witness what happens when KU goes up against an experience and talented point guard. KU has not won championships by shooting a bunch of threes. The high low game was non-existent and that is normally when KU is at their best. The loss of Peters before the season and the delay in the development of Traylor and Ellis has been a problem and puts to much pressure on the wing players to make shots. Outside of McLemore (and Releford when is actually aggressive and involved in the game offensively) I would not count on game in and game our guards shooting a high percentage from outside.

And finally the streak of Big XII championship will likely becoming to an end. It has been an impressive run. Even with a strong recruiting class the number of returning players with meaningful playing time is a huge concern. Self will be challenged to win with a bunch of Freshman, no matter how talented. That has never been his recipe for success. Unless there is a tremendous improvement between now and the beginning of the next conference game by White, Traylor, Ellis, and possibly Adams, if he has learned anything from his predecessors about earning Self's trust (aka Tharpe from last year), then it might be Self's first rebuilding year.

Kevin Crook 8 years, 3 months ago

This isn't the YMCA. It's time for the Big 12 to stop awarding trophies and sharing titles with teams that tie for the best record in the league, especially when there is a clear winner in the tie-breaker. If we had split with KSU it would make sense to share it, or if the league didn't have the home and home series like they used to, it made a little sense to share them, and yes, KU has claimed shared titles when we had lost to the team we tied, but it's time to quit this nonsense. Of course if we hadn't laid an egg at TCU none of this would be being mentioned.

squawkhawk 8 years, 3 months ago

It is what it is..get over it and accept the fact that KSU has upgraded their BB program to compete for titles. Noe they are dominant in the two sports that matter.

JayHawkFanToo 8 years, 3 months ago

How do you figure that? Weber did well with the players he inherited and it does not have much coming to replace the player leaving including McGruder, Irving and Henriquez. Also, the Miami/Hispanic connection now goes through South Carolina and Weber will not get even a whiff of those players
Just wait a couple of years until the current players are gone and KSU will be back to being mediocre. Weber record is pretty obvious and predictable.

johnnyphoton 8 years, 3 months ago

Could it be that Scott Drew is now a coaching genius? Heck no. Baylor had to play lights out and they did. They wanted and needed this game. Is that an indictment on this Jayhawk team? Depends on your view. No one wants to share this title, but these guys showed their mettle in Ames and Stillwater. After KU lost it's third straight game I would have gladly taken a tie for the league crown considering what they had schedule wise. Keep plugging away, Hawks. There's a lot to play for.

KansasComet 8 years, 3 months ago

First off, Baylor's win got them in the conversation to be one of the last teams chosen for the Big Dance. Secondly, they reside somewhere between NIT and NCAA Tournament, with the edge going to the NIT. They are not very good. They had a good game, at home, on Senior Night. Lastly, the sky is not falling. We did not get up for the game. There was no energy, no fight. We looked like we were full of barbecued brisket! This is the same team, that won 17 straight. This is the same team that won 7 in a row and has won their 9th Straight Big XII title. KSU this is their first ever. That title they won in 1977 was in the Big 8, not the same thing. They proved they could beat everyone in the Big XII, except Kansas. We are the Number 1 seed in the Big XII Tourney. The positives outweigh the negatives.

Releford plays awesome in Kansas City, Perry Ellis seems ready to ball. Jeff Withey can still block shot and is effective from 10-15 feet, just needs to stay out of foul trouble. We have Mr. Big Shot Elijah Johnson, who has the ability to take over games. Also, having Ben McLemore go off like "The Rifleman" is always a possibility.

What this team needs is energy and focus from Kevin Young, 10 points and lock down defense from Travis Releford, and Naadir Tharpe to get in the lane and splash a few open 3's, when EJ needs a breather.

Coach Self knows what he is doing. There are no more home court games. Neutral court from this point forward and with the possibility of the next 5 games in Kansas City's Sprint Center, I say advantage Jayhawks!

jayhawkinATL 8 years, 3 months ago

Wow...Lunardi STILL has KU as the #1 in the South (Dallas) even after the Baylor butt-whoopin'.

utahjayhawk 8 years, 3 months ago

That's unreal since GTown smoked a ranked Syr team yesterday and we got smoked by an unranked BU team. I think he'll be forced to change after the polls come out tomorrow and we're ranked between #6 and #8. We don't deserve a #1 seed unless we win the Big XII tourney and personally I hope we don't.

jayhawkinATL 8 years, 3 months ago

Agreed. This team is capable of being the first #1 to be dumped by a #16.

JD Roth 8 years, 3 months ago

I don't buy that jargon at all. Self will have them razor sharp when the Big Dance commences.

hammerhawk 8 years, 3 months ago

I didn't like the outcome of yesterday's game at all. And when the opportunity to claim the 9th became possible I would have thought that would have been more aggressive to get it. I'm having trouble thinking this edition will do much with the coming tourney. I know this looks to be an anybody can win tourney, but still thinking KU will go deep is difficult to grasp. Even the Big 12 tourney.

Oh well. I'll be rooting for the Mighty Kansas Jayhawks from the sunny, warm Texas beach. Maybe the rout yesterday will spur something positive. Go Big Blue.

jaybate 8 years, 3 months ago

"Emergency Loss Recovery Kit: Recommended Contents"

~Summer sausage/sharp cheddar/2008 championship DVD

~clothes for jogging/contraceptive

~SmartPhone with KenPom Link in favorites/Fran Fraschilla dart board

~Laptop with KU Championship Wallpaper/Nude Celebrity Photo link

~Snow shovel/Lover waiting in double tub filled with crimson and blue bubble bath

Gary Wilson 8 years, 3 months ago

It's pretty clear that all but two freshmen mailed this one in. I hope the seniors decide that senior night wasn't the crowning achievement of the season and play harder from here on out.

What a weak effort.

MinorThreat 8 years, 3 months ago

Withey looked slow. EJ tried getting his own car started too much early on (as opposed to getting others going). Early foul trouble. HCBS not adjusting Defense. Many bobbled catches by almost all of KU. Weak ball protection from BMac. Hot shooting by a couple bears... all equals an embarrassing butt whipping.

Now's a perfect time to be hiding (wearing camo)...

I'm pulling for a 2 seed in the NCAA's... a No 1 seed might be hard for these hawks to roll with, IMO.

Ellis looked like a different player, hopefully something we'll see more.

DaNeille Dani Davis 8 years, 3 months ago

No team has ever frustrated me more than this team. I've never seen a team with no killer instint or no one to take over a game like this one. Nice guys finish last. This team will be lucky to make it out of the first round of the ncaa tournament. Grow some balls boys and frickin play like you want to win...not like you're afraid to lose!

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

So... all the tough games we won don't prove anything but the five we lost prove that we don't have any "balls"? I don't understand these reactions at all.

Kirkwood 8 years, 3 months ago

Big disappointment,,, The Big Xll Conference Title - outright, was ours for the taking. Apparently this was not valuable enough for our guys to bring a level of desire and determination to the floor to make a statement. I LOVE everything Jayhawk, but I have a hard time choking down anything LESS than ALL OUT EFFORT AND DESIRE representing the Crimson and Blue. There is NO EXCUSE for the half-hearted performance the Jayhawks mailed in Saturday in Waco. Note to players: When excuses become stronger than desire,,, GAME OVER. I expect that from here on out, your EFFORT and DETERMINATION will leave no one, and I do mean NO ONE, questioning your HEART and DESIRE!! ROCK CHALK!!

Redlandsjhawk 8 years, 3 months ago

Didn't something very similar happen to Duke a few weeks ago in Florida? They survived, we will too.

texashawk10 8 years, 3 months ago

This game gave me deja vu to the 2009 game against Texas Tech where KU had a chance to win the league outright after clinching a share earlier in the day and to a couple of Big 12 tournaments where KU hasn't had much depth and Self basically gives the team a night off. Controversial I know, but Self has a track record of doing this at least two other times.

fiala 8 years, 3 months ago

Bill Self tactics..... It's ok, we'll bounce back..... Get serious, KU fans. This game revealed a lot of the Jayhawks' vulnerabilities; vulnerabilities that will be exposed again and again in the B12 tournament and the NCAA tournament. Winning the B12 tournament is anything but a sure thing for KU. Fans need to climb out of their bubble world and realize that.

MinorThreat 8 years, 3 months ago

Who's saying we're gonna win the big 12 tourney?... I'm reading that many wonder if we'll get past the 2nd round of the NCAA...

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

Every team has vulnerabilities. And just about every team other than Gonzaga has had bad losses this year too.

jayhawkintexas 8 years, 3 months ago

There were officiating errors in the KU-Baylor game. Of course there are in every game but apparently it only matters at the end of a game and if it benefits KU.

Ethan Berger 8 years, 3 months ago

Funny when were were winning 90% of you posters were no where to be found. But after every loss, yall are the first to preach your doom and gloom. We have won a bunch more then we have lost.

Dan Harris 8 years, 3 months ago

Hate to not win the title outright but this loss might turnout to be a blessing in disguise. This team is not talented enough to take ANYBODY lightly so we shouldn't have anyone sneak up on us in the tourney.

Joseph Bullock 8 years, 3 months ago

Did anybody notice that P. Jackson has not been mentioned as a front runner for Big 12 Player of the Year Honors. I know a lot of it is based on how your team does in the league, but in reality, it is not his fault they have not been winning. Even Bill Self said earlier in the week, that he thought the race was between Smart, McGruder, Jeff, and Ben. You know Scott Drew played that interview to Jackson at least a dozen times. Remember, we tried really hard to recruit Jackson to K.U. Anyway, Jackson had something to prove, and to me, he got his point across. He leads the league in both scoring and assists. If it was just scoring, then to me, he is not the best player. But when you also add in leading in assists, he is the best, hands down. But I still hope Jeff wins it. lol Ben needs another year in College.

southwindjay 8 years, 3 months ago

uninspiring at best. Brings to mind the saying "come big or stay home" and with this performance we should have stayed home.

justinryman 8 years, 3 months ago

I agree, if you play a game where score is a factor or there is a finish line, you want to win.

Now with that said, I think they tried to win the game. I think there became a point that they stopped. They fought to stay close, then they fell behind, then they fought back and they were out of gas. Nothing to be ashamed off.

Why keep pusing your body when you have to play three games in three days?

I think at about the 5 minute mark they were just out of gas and thats when Self realised it and pulled most of his starters. That and maybe for thier safety when the corwd rushed the floor with the encouragement of thier coach on the PA system.

justinryman 8 years, 3 months ago

I'm not saying you are wrong. Just throwing out thoughts opinions ideas.

I remember years ago we were playing sand volleyball for fun, then someone said what the score was. My team was down, but we won, cause I got pissed and was ready to play.

yates33333 8 years, 3 months ago

I don't think Self should be criticized at all. He has done a really good job with some really mediocre players. His bench is as a whole piss poor. His starting five, with two exceptions, is nothing to write home about and these "exceptions" are all that exceptional. You might be critical of his recruiting for this season but that is all. He has done a very good job as a floor coach no matter what happens. No I am not his dad.

KansasComet 8 years, 3 months ago

Lets see, Elijah Johnson 5 Star Recruit, Perry Ellis McDonald's All-American 5 Star Recruit, Ben McLemore, 5 Star Recruit and Player of the Year Candidate. Jeff Withey, Nation's leading shot blocker and Player of the Year Candidate. Andrew White, Mr. Basketball, Virginia 4 Star Recruit, Rio Adams, Mr. Basketball Washington State, 4 Star Recruit, Naadir Tharpe, 4 Star Recruit, Landen Lucas, heavily recruited by Duke, 4 Star Recruit (Redshirt, learning the system) Travis Releford, 5th Year Senior 4 Star Recruit. Looks good to me.

In tough times, that's when we find out who the mediocre fans are! For some reason, there are those that think every game should be the same results as the Harlem Globetrotters against the Washington Generals. Now what's the fun in that? It is competition, that's why I appreciate every win, get upset with losses, but I try to quickly move on to the next game. If I can cheer for Kansas when they when, then I can support them when they lose. I think being a Kansas Jayhawk Fan is simply the best!

KansasComet 8 years, 3 months ago

Thanks, I appreciate your comments on venting. I enjoy this site during the season and also during the offseason. We all have the same goal, and it is great to interact with such a passionate bunch. I enjoy reading your post, you always bring something to the table.

GreatJake 8 years, 3 months ago

Perry keep it up. KU will need u the rest of March and first Monday in April. Thanks Ben. RCJKU

Danny Hernandez 8 years, 3 months ago

If Kstate fans are celebrating over this co-championship, man you guys are fricking worthless. I'm embarrassed to even call this our 9th.....

sucks to win like this so I have no idea how hardup you people are for a championship.....

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

Give me a break. Neither team should have been celebrating Saturday since they both lost, but they can both be proud of what they accomplished. If you're "embarrassed" about KU's 9th straight conference title and call yourself a KU fan, you're doing it wrong.

JD Roth 8 years, 3 months ago

Eighteen game conference season. You embarrassed? Go find another team.....

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

Why? Who made you the arbitrager of fandomhood? I'm a grad, alumni member in good standing, disabled vet...If I want your opinion, Ill give it to you.

JD Roth 8 years, 3 months ago

You won't give me my opinion buddy. I also served in the Military and I reserve the right to make any statement that I please. You will NEVER give me my opinion!! EVER!!!!

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

The Boy Scouts DO NOT COUNT as military service.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

K State adds basketball conference championship to the one the won in football. Not a bad year for the Wildcats.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 3 months ago

This is the first thing you've said that I agree with. Still, it is odd that you're congratulating K-State while trashing KU.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 3 months ago

I rarely attack KU... I often get so frustrated after a really bad loss that I should not post for at least two days.

hawkmoon2020 8 years, 3 months ago

Random Thoughts:

In the last 9 years (2005) KU has won the Big 12 Title 9 times, and the post season tournament 5 times. Great percentages!

2014-2015 Roster (regardless of Randle, Wiggings) -

PG: Tharpe (Sr), Adams (Jr), Mason (So) SG: Selden (So), White (Jr.), Frankamp (So) SF: Greene (So), PF: Ellis (Jr.), Traylor (Jr.) C : Lucas (So), Embiid (So)

I'm already excited for 2014-2015!

hawkmoon2020 8 years, 3 months ago

2013 Big 12 post season tournament - What? No articles or conversations regarding seedings, match-ups, predictions, etc? I will say that winning it this year would be a huge boost to our confidence. Lose and it may be a true sign of our "weak" mental toughness.

Just sayin'.

JayHawkFanToo 8 years, 3 months ago

KU lost to Baylor last year in the Conference Tournament and it worked pretty well...didn't it?

ku_foaf 8 years, 3 months ago

This loss is just like a few years ago with Texas Tech. Last game, we'd already assured we were champs...lost to bottom tier team. Actually worse than this loss, as Baylor was on fire and is really a better team than that TTU team. We started out playing well, but they were smoking. We let it fall apart in the second half.

Bottom line is it will effect very little. A #1 Seed is nice because it is a self fulfilling prophecy - the first two teams you play are usually not very good! This may be a blessing in disguise as it will take a little pressure off of the team.

A loss in the B12 tournament may slip us to a #3 seed, but very little difference between a #2 and a #3. Luck of the draw is more important.

ku_foaf 8 years, 3 months ago

Actually it was not the last game of the season... It was 2009, we had one conference loss when we went to Lubbock on March 4th and lost.

ku_foaf 8 years, 3 months ago

My biggest reaction to this game is "Boy, glad I didn't spend $200 on tickets to go see it."

This year is not exactly full of dominating teams. Gonzaga has 2 losses, Duke 4, and Memphis 4, the rest of the top 25 have at least five.

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