Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Swagger State: No. 11 Wildcats enter Showdown on a roll

Kansas State guard Rodney McGruder (22) looks for space during the second half of an NCAA college basketball game against TCU, Wednesday, Jan. 16, 2013, in Fort Worth, Texas.

Kansas State guard Rodney McGruder (22) looks for space during the second half of an NCAA college basketball game against TCU, Wednesday, Jan. 16, 2013, in Fort Worth, Texas.


Kansas State University’s No. 11-ranked basketball team carries a healthy dose of confidence into tonight’s showdown against No. 3-rated Kansas.

“Coach (Bruce Weber) always talks about, if you’re a Top-25 team, you’ve got to have a swagger about yourself, and I think we have a swagger about ourselves now,” said KSU senior guard Rodney McGruder, a preseason all-conference pick who is third in the league in scoring at 15.5 points per game.

“It feels great to be on an eight-game winning streak, but it doesn’t stop here. We’ve got to prepare for Kansas, and may the best team win.”

Sharpshooter McGruder and the Wildcats (15-2 overall, 4-0 Big 12) enter today’s 7 p.m. game in Bramlage Coliseum as one of the country’s hottest teams and, like rival KU (16-1, 4-0), the only remaining unbeaten teams in Big 12 play.

“The thing we are trying to emphasize to our guys is this is about first place,” said Weber, in his first year at K-State after nine seasons as Bill Self’s successor at University of Illinois. “At this point in the season, there’s a long way to go, but we are both 4-0. We’ve got homecourt advantage the first time around. That has to be our goal, to protect homecourt.

“It will be a big challenge. Hopefully we’ll be up to the task,” added Weber, whose Wildcats have been unstoppable since defeating No. 8 Florida, 67-61, on Dec. 22 at Sprint Center in Kansas City, Mo.

They are 4-0 in the Big 12 (wins at West Virginia and TCU and against Oklahoma State and Oklahoma) for the second time since the league’s inception in 1997 and the first time since the 2007-08 team opened 5-0. KSU is 10-0 at Bramlage this season, an arena in which the Jayhawks have won 22 games and lost just two throughout history.

“He’s right. Unless we tie, the winner will be 5-0 and loser 4-1,” KU coach Self said with a smile. “The thing with the league race ... I learned this over the years ... four games into an 18-game schedule is very, very early. So much is who you played and where you played them. They are off to a good start. It is for first place 30 percent of the way in. It’s not for first place obviously when we’re getting into deep February.”

Self is wary of the Wildcats, especially McGruder, a 6-foot-4, 205-pound senior from Washington, D.C., who averages 15.5 points and 5.2 rebounds a game and is sixth in the league in field-goal percentage (44.3). He’s ninth in three-point percentage, having hit 26 of 75 threes for 34.7 percent.

“He’s one of my favorite players in the league,” Self said of McGruder, who is 1-6 versus the Jayhawks in his career. “He’s a nice young man. I respect his game a lot. He is on a roll right now. He can get you 25, 30 (points) any night.”

Self was asked about the battle of McGruder and his own Ben McLemore, the second-leading scorer in the league at 16.4 ppg.

“I don’t know who will be matched up on who. I’d say Rodney is a far more mature player as far as understanding how to move without the ball,” Self said. “The (motion) offense they are running now has really benefited him at least as far as from the outside looking in. He’s grown (through the years) on how to read screens, how to set people up, how to be in constant motion. Of course, Ben is an athlete who doesn’t come around every year. He’s a special athlete, no question. Both teams need those guys to play well. Ben will have to do a great job moving without the ball like McGruder does.”

Both McLemore and Travis Releford, who figure to spend some time guarding McGruder, worked camps with the KSU standout last summer.

“He’s a great player. His personality is great, too,” McLemore said. “He’s an outstanding player in the Big 12. It’ll be a great challenge playing against him.”

Noted fifth-year senior Releford: “I’ve been guarding him since I’ve been here, since he’s been in school. It’s going to be a tough match-up. He’s gotten a lot better on offense. He’s looking to score on offense. It’s going to be a challenge, but I’m looking forward to it.”

The key, Releford said, is “just make him uncomfortable. That’s with any player. If they are uncomfortable, it’s going to be tough for any of them to make shots.”

Weber, who replaced Frank Martin in Manhattan, said the best thing about McGruder is “he’s a great individual, such a good person, somebody you want to have as a friend, teammate. It’s not easy to get a new coach, somebody telling you, ‘Hey we’ve got to tweak this, change this.’ He’s been very receptive to it. It took a little bit of time. He’s worked through some of the tough spots and continued to get better and really started to play with a lot of confidence here the last two to three weeks.”

He’s KSU’s only double-digit scorer. Guards Angel Rodriguez, Will Spradling and Shane Southwell average 9.2, 8.6 and 7.4 ppg.

“They don’t beat themselves,” Self said. “They play great defense, are well coached. Their motion ... if you are not sound defensively, they can make you look bad. They are a real sound team.”

And they have a huge homecourt advantage when KU comes to town. The Jayhawks have quieted some incredibly loud KSU crowds in Bramlage in the past.

“I’ve been in some great environments. I think Bramlage is as tough a place as we’ve played. Two or three times we’ve been over there, it’s been as good as I’ve ever seen. I’m sure it’ll be that way again tomorrow,” said Self, who listed Indiana, Michigan State, Wisconsin and Oklahoma State as some other really loud venues he’s visited in his career. “We’ll have to do a good job preparing our young kids who haven’t been over there. I’m sure our veterans will talk to them about it. Their students are right on top of you and do a good job of being on top of everything.”


Self was asked if KU-KSU has grown in importance now that Missouri is off the schedule

“I think so,” he said. “K-State has always been the rival (where) it was more a respect rivalry than what Missouri was, because I think on both sides of the Missouri rivalry there was a lot of hatred involved. We obviously didn’t like them, and the feeling was very mutual. I never felt that way with K-State. I don’t know why. I never did. I think this will turn a little bit to become more heated as we move forward because we don’t have the Tigers around. I think it’s very healthy. I think it’s good to have somebody in your league the fans look forward to playing, and certainly the players do, and this is that game for us.”

KU’s Travis Releford said the game was special “because it’s an in-state rivalry. We are not as players making it, ‘Oh my gosh, it’s K-State.’ It’s more the fans and media making a bigger deal. I’m sure their players feel the same thing (as KU’s players). It’s just us versus them. The fans are making it a bigger deal than we are.”

Rookie of the week

McLemore on Monday was named Big 12 rookie of the week after 16.5 points in victories over Baylor and Texas. This is the third Big 12 honor this season for McLemore, who was selected as Big 12 rookie of the week on Dec. 24 and Big 12 player of the week on Jan. 14.

Fun venue

Releford, a fifth-year senior, is 8-1 versus KSU and 3-1 in Bramlage. KU fell to the Wildcats 84-68, on Feb. 14, 2011.

“It’s a fun place to play. Our upperclassmen are excited about going there to play because we know how crazy their fans are and how fun it is playing there,” Releford said. “We enjoy going on the road and playing games with crazy fans. We do enjoy it.”

Freshman McLemore attended last year’s game and sat in the stands during his red-shirt season.

“The crowd was crazy. It was a great atmosphere there. I’m getting prepared,” he said.

McLemore on his sprained right ankle

“I’m feeling great. I’m getting treatment, going to practice. I think I’ll be 100 percent. I’m getting better each and every day. I’m confident.”

This, that

KSU is 4-13 all-time against the No. 3 team in the U.S. Last home win against No. 3 was against Oklahoma, 66-51, on Jan. 16, 1990, at Bramlage. ... KU has won 44 of the last 47 meetings with KSU dating to the 1994 season. The Jayhawks have won nine of the last 10 and hold a 183-91 all-time series advantage. KU is 74-45 all-time in Manhattan, 22-2 in Bramlage. ... KSU has won two of the last five against KU at Bramlage. Since the inception of the Big 12, KU is 29-3 in regular-season battles and 36-3 including Big 12 Championship meetings versus KSU. ... Self is 19-3 vs. KSU, including 18-3 as KU coach; Bruce Weber is 0-1 vs. KU.

They get along

Asked of his relationship with KSU’s Weber, Self said: “Cordial, fine. I have no issues with Bruce. I know there were some things said after he replaced me at Illinois. I learned through the years I don’t know if you can take over a job and not at some point say something that appears to be controversial to the previous staff. I probably did it with Roy (Williams). That stuff happens.”


ChicagoHawk04 5 years, 4 months ago

“He’s right. Unless we tie, the winner will be 5-0 and loser 4-1,” KU coach Self said with a smile.


John Randall 5 years, 4 months ago

You think so, too? I thought maybe it was just me looking for something to snicker about.

jaybate 5 years, 4 months ago

"Some Fake Frank Haith Phone Apps"

• Unethical Phone Dialer-set to speed dial recruits at ethical plus 100.

• Qwik Recruiting Cash Icon - $ sign under table icon; transfers cash to recruits via Caymen account.

• Motion Play Look Up - quickly access new job openings to leave NCAA investigations behind.

• Investigation Updater - uses proxy servers to anonymously search web for stories of investigations involving one's self.

(Note: All fiction. No malice.)

Scott MacWilliams 5 years, 4 months ago

This game scares me a bit, the kitties are a good team this year. Beating Florida was an impressive win, and they look to be a good solid team on both ends of the court. Texas had a great defense, but Ksuk will be a tough row to hoe, for sure.

Get ready Hawks, it's going to be a screamer!!!


WOOO HOO, the Sooners just made Texas 0-5, and Baylor beat OSU!

Here's the current Big 12 standings --

Big 12 Conference Standings TEAM CONF W-L TOTAL W-L

2 Kansas 4-0 16-1

13 Kansas St. 4-0 15-2

Baylor 4-1 13-5 Oklahoma 4-1 13-4 Iowa State 3-1 13-4 Oklahoma St. 2-3 12-5 West Virginia 1-3 8-9 Texas Tech 1-4 8-8 Texas 0-5 8-10 TCU 0-5 9-9

WAAH, What happened to all my formatting???

Cameron Cederlind 5 years, 4 months ago

This happened to me yesterday and I couldn't figure it out, apparently if you put the # sign to start out a line, all the letters/words after it become huge and bold.


John Randall 5 years, 4 months ago

It takes a double RETURN to force a new line, tabs are ignored.

jaybate 5 years, 4 months ago

"Some Ways Bruce Weber Emulates Bill Self"

• Has players use "swagger."

• Has players talk about "getting better."

• Wins with Self's players at Illinois.

• Follows Self to Big 12.

• Calls his wife Cin.

• Calls his assistants Joe, Kurtis, Norm and Doc.

• Covers bathroom mirror with picture of Bill Self.

• Asks Gene Keady to call him Bill.

(Note: All fiction. No malice.)

John Randall 5 years, 4 months ago

First year of BS @ KU and BW @ IU, Weber made some comment about having beaten Self (maybe SIU-Tulsa). When questioned about the comment, Self hesitated for perfect timing and replied, "Well ... it's been quite a while since I played 1-on-1 against another coach ..." and we were left to wonder if that was a challenge.

Doug Cramer 5 years, 4 months ago

Anyone know of the contreversial stuff that was said at Illinois when Webber replaced Self ? Had not heard of this before now. ROCK CHALK

Mike Skiles 5 years, 4 months ago

Thanks for the link trojanhawk, much appreciated! Good stuff ahead of tonight's game, RCJH!

lv_jhwk 5 years, 4 months ago

"While the mock funeral was weird enough, Weber got a little personal when he tried to justify his own ability to do the job. He noted that his Southern Illinois team had handily defeated Self's Tulsa squad. And he said that when SIU played Self and the Illini in 2001, the undermanned Salukis more than held their own.

"Unless he's a miracle worker, I kicked his butt in both games," Weber said.

Stories of Weber's actions and comments eventually reached Self and whatever he thought of the funeral, it's fair to say he didn't care for the "kicked his butt" comment."

I'm willing to bet Self has yet to forget the comment, and still doesn't care for it.

chriz 5 years, 4 months ago

Let's hope not. I'd love to see some fire in these Jayhawks for once, and I'm sure Bill could certainly use this as a spark.

John Randall 5 years, 4 months ago

See above for Bill's reply at the time.

Michael Auchard 5 years, 4 months ago

Everyone on earth except Manhattan, Kansas, residents and Oldspice deodorant fans are sick of the word swagger by now. Put it to rest.

actorman 5 years, 4 months ago

Does anyone have access to 1 ticket for the home game against KSU on 2/10? If so, please message me.

nuleafjhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

KU is 74-45 all-time in Manhattan, 22-2 in Bramlage. ... KSU has won two of the last five against KU at Bramlage. Since the inception of the Big 12, KU is 29-3 in regular-season battles and 36-3 including Big 12 Championship meetings versus KSU. ... Self is 19-3 vs. KSU, including 18-3 as KU coach; Bruce Weber is 0-1 vs. KU.

'nuff said.

Michael Leiker 5 years, 4 months ago

Watching UT v OU last night, started to realize what KU has done to this league over the last 8 years. I think KU fans need to start asking ourselves this question honestly, would it not be in KS best interest to lose the league one of the next couple of years? These other schools just seem absolutely demoralized.

Visiting UT this weekend, interest level in bball, while never high there, just has to be at an all time low, and when you visit other league gyms, it seems similar. Obviously, would never advocate for the boys to throw a game, but from a fans perspective I do think we're killing this league and it would not hurt my feelings at all to see a couple of losses here or there to at least make it a close race this year.

Jeremy Paul 5 years, 4 months ago

I'm sorry, but that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

jhox 5 years, 4 months ago

Nope, not in our best interest to lose the conference title even one year. Let's keep putting the hammer down. At some point maybe these recruits who have been picking Baylor and Texas over us will figure it out, and we'll start getting any of those guys we want.

texashawk10 5 years, 4 months ago

Not every kid has the work ethic to make it at KU. Some kids just want to play their year and get paid in the NBA.

Kye Clark 5 years, 4 months ago

It's in our best interest for another school in the league to elevate themselves to being worthy of winning the league, not to simply hand it to one of the scrubs to make them feel better.

That...or for a team to join the conference that's worthy of winning the league.

HEM and I both have discussed at length how KU needs another team in the league to challenge them for league supremacy and national recognition. It's why we feel that the Big 12 failing to bring in Louisville was a huge loss for KU and the league. Most other major conferences have two schools that rival each other: UNC & Dook in the ACC. Kensucky & Florida in the SEC. Even out west, UCLA has Arizona. KU doesn't have that second school. And we see other teams in those conferences, at least in spurts, elevate their programs to those levels. We've seen Maryland have its time as a national power. Syracuse, Ohio State, Arkansas, Michigan St. Teams that make deep runs in the tourney, sometimes even winning the thing.

That is what KU, and the Big 12, needs. For other programs to elevate themselves, both in conference and to have success in the NCAA tournament. KU could roll over, have a down year, and someone will momentarily take the league crown. However, if they are not able to carry the torch in the NCAA tournament, it only serves to weaken the league, not strengthen it.

Michael Leiker 5 years, 4 months ago

Right on, guess that is pretty much what I was thinking, you definitely articulated it more clearly.

Chris1955 5 years, 4 months ago

The solution you suggest is that the Big 12 develop another BB power school. An alternative solution could be that KU move into another conference that is much stronger in BB. I think KU could be in the B1G TEN in the next two years. We seem to be making structural moves as a university that can be construed as the type of moves necessary join the B1G TEN.

jaybate 5 years, 4 months ago

Its in our best interest to keep recruiting the best players, keep developing them the most, keep Self eager for the challenge of each season, and forget about what's going on at other programs.

We barely beat Texas, which is 0-5.

We barely beat ISU, which is rebuilding.

Baylor sucks because of its coach and President.

OSU with Travis Ford and OU with Lon Kruger will give Self all he wants this season.

Right now, the Big 12 has more respected coaches (and deservingly so) than any conference in the country by a considerable margin. Self, Barnes, Kruger, and Hoiberg are a fearsome foursome. Travis Ford, if he could just get another body or two into Stillwater, would join those ranks. And for those that like to defend Scott Drew, as I do not, it means the Big 12 has six good coaches in a 10 team conference!! No other conference in the country goes that deep in good coaches. Not one. Most other conferences barely go two deep in top coaches.

Shoot, the Big 12 is where other conferences go now to cherry pick coaches. Frank Martin went to South Carolina in the SEC. And Turg left A&M to go to the ACC.

Always remember: good games are often not televised in the Big 12, because:

a) Texans are the major central time zone media market and Texans are hoops challenged; and

b) eastern time zone eyeballs haven't yet been properly marketed to (the B12 hasn't created its eastern time zone division yet, but its coming, or WVU will be gone).

As soon as the B12 has an eastern time zone division to stimulate gambling revenues in the east, every B12 game will be televised. Gamblers are like every other consumer. You have to attract them with something they know and like, and then they will generalize into your other products, if they are good quality.

TulsaJayhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

I am sure this is the same discussion taking place on the Alabama football boards. How their success has ruined the state of the SEC football.

texashawk10 5 years, 4 months ago

Herm Edwards and KU Nation disagree with you You play to win the game!

Michael Leiker 5 years, 4 months ago

Again, not saying anybody should throw any games, just saying it might be in KUs long term best interest if something were to happen where the conference race is close or if they lose the conference this year.

texashawk10 5 years, 4 months ago

This is weakest Big 12 ever. KSU is the only team that should finish within 5 games of KU this season. If it's a strong Big 12 and KU doesn't win it, that's one thing, but KU losing the weakest Big 12 ever is not good for KU or the Big 12.

Dyrk Dugan 5 years, 4 months ago

it will be a good game, but we're a tough matchup for them. we're long, and experienced...and we are good basketball players who are also very athletic. If McGruder doesn't score a lot, i don't see how they win the game.

yes, we could become a TO machine all night...and that would lead to a victory for them.....but i think we'll turn them over too. i don't know, unless McGruder goes all Jacob Pullen on us. (38 points, on 15 shots in 2011), then we'll for sure be in the ballgame till the end.

KU 70 KSU 62

Go Jayhawks!

jaybate 5 years, 4 months ago

Our biggest dangers are fatigue (four starters played 30+ minutes 2 days ago) and Ben's ankle worsening from playing 37 minutes.

But both can be overcome.

Michael Leiker 5 years, 4 months ago

Well over 3 days between games, not an issue

jaybate 5 years, 4 months ago


After watching the actual game, now do you understand the truth of what I said.

Of course energy depletion was an issue for KU.

Self played it close to the vest. He knew his guys couldn't get out and run for a game. So he let the air out of the ball and kept substituting and went for the jugular at the end.

It is Self's and this team's M.O. when the games are clustered.

Jonathan Allison 5 years, 4 months ago

It's funny to read Self's words "He's right, unless we tie, the winner will be 5-0 and the loser 4-1... four games into an 18 game schedule is very, very early".

Then read "cordial, fine, I have no issues with Bruce".

Someone was trying to bait Coach Self into talking about Illinois, and they got a mention of it, but Self's not gonna play they're little game. He'll say what he wants to say, hence the subtle jab early in the article, but for the most part he'll let his team's play do the talking.

Does anyone doubt that Bill Self is gonna throw everything he can at this KSU team on the court? This game DOES mean more to Coach than it did last year and before. And he will give his team every advantage that he can to get the big win.

Oh boy! Big game tonight...

FearlessJayhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

Do you remember when Weber took over for Bill Self at Illinois? The same thing is happening at K-State this year. He was great guns his first year at Illinois; went to the NCAA championship game. It was all downhill from there on. He can coach recruits brought in by somebody else and can't coach his own recruits. It may happen again this year.

Lash 5 years, 4 months ago

Maybe his recruits are the problem. Not as good as those he inherits!

Eric Dawson 5 years, 4 months ago

I, too, have marked the similarities in 1st years for Weber. Part of Weber's later problems at Illinois was he could never recruit to the same talent level that he found there when he arrived. It will be interesting to see if the pattern repeats itself at KState.

nuleafjhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

The problem will be the same for Weber no matter where he goes.

Unless he becomes the casting director for " Glee ".

Bob Thompson 5 years, 4 months ago

KSU is a lot harder to recruit to, being out in the middle of no where.... as they use to say 40th and plum.... 40 miles from the nearest town plum in the middle of no where...

Jonathan Allison 5 years, 4 months ago

for fairness, I believe that it was Weber's second year that Ill went to the title game. I could be wrong because I didn't fact check it, but it seems like it was in 2005. And he took over in 2003

Gary Wirsig 5 years, 4 months ago

You are correct. He was hired in 2003 and lost to Dook in the third round in 2004, his first season. His second season ended in a loss to North Carolina in the NC game.

clevelandjayhawker 5 years, 4 months ago

I have a little worry tonight about Spradling (sp?) getting hot from 3 tonight.

How did Mcgruder do the last few games with TRel on him?

This game should have been next week on Kansas Day

I think tonihgt Perry is gonna have a breakout game. Rock Chalk

AsadZ 5 years, 4 months ago

I am very disappointed that ESPN is not carrying this game. What a shame ESPN.

Anyone know of TV channels that have this game on their schedule

jayhawkinATL 5 years, 4 months ago

Nope. Will have to watch on ESPN3 here.

Steve Kubler 5 years, 4 months ago

KSNF has it, out of Joplin, or at least it is listed that they do. Otherwise online is only place I have seen it.

dbakerku 5 years, 4 months ago

My dirtectv is showing it to be on NBC

John Randall 5 years, 4 months ago

Also NBC cable stations in KC and Wichita. WIBW & KMTW

Jonathan Allison 5 years, 4 months ago

In Houston it's carried on 57 the Kube. A channel which does not offer an HD broadcast. I'm just happy that I don't have to watch it on ESPN3 though.

texashawk10 5 years, 4 months ago

My programming guide says the KUBE isn't showing the game, but Comcast isn't always the most accurate on those matters though.

Jonathan Allison 5 years, 4 months ago

I have U-Verse, and I have my DVR set to record. I sure hope that I get the right program!

texashawk10 5 years, 4 months ago

My guide says Cold Case Files at 7 and 'Til Death at 8 and 8:30. I'm gonna have my XBOX in my living room just in case so I can watch on ESPN3 if necessary.

KGphoto 5 years, 4 months ago

Altitude Sports and Entertainment has it. They cover parts or all of 9 states including Kansas. Don't know where you are but if you're close to






New Mexico


South Dakota


Check Channels 681, 682 and 682-1 for Direct TV

Check Channel 410 for Dish Network

Tim Orel 5 years, 4 months ago

It's 442 live, but I think a rebroadcast is 410. Per Dish it's available through America's Top 120 package.

JHWK 5 years, 4 months ago

Dish will only have it on their normal subscription if they choose to pick up Altitude2. This is why we all need Sling boxes on our friends TV's in Kansas!

KGphoto 5 years, 4 months ago

Oh, I don't have dish. I just looked on their Wiki page and it has 410.

Bob Thompson 5 years, 4 months ago

Every time I see the name McGruder , I think of the limerick "There once was a man named McGruder"......... lol

Robert Brock 5 years, 4 months ago

The fact that this is not a feature game on television is a sure sign of Big 12 weakness.

Kevin Huffman 5 years, 4 months ago

No! It means that ESPN was already "locked in" to their SEC programming for this Tue. night timeslot. I think a lot of Big XII Wed. night games make it on to ESPN2. Don't know why this one was scheduled for Tue. night & not Wed. night.....dumb scheduling by the league or schools or of the three! :(

Kevin Huffman 5 years, 4 months ago

Note, TCU at West Virginia is ACTUALLY on tomorrow night at 6:30 on ESPN2!!!!!!! Nice!!! lmao

Robert Brock 5 years, 4 months ago

Oh, but it is on the "Big 12 Network"...whatever that is (or could have been if Texas were anything but selfish trailer trash).

Scott Smetana 5 years, 4 months ago

Self said,"We obviously didn’t like them (Missouri), and the feeling was very mutual." Love that Bill is on board with those classless neighbors!!

Let's get a billboard: Long live Nevin Shapiro, Quin Snyder, Ricky Clemens, 5th down, Paige Arena, Norfolk St., 0 Final Fours, 0 BSC games, 0 class! #1 in meth, though!

Kevin Huffman 5 years, 4 months ago

Had anyone heard how they (Mizzou) put up SEC with their emblem on it billboards down in Dallas last spring shortly after they'd though they were trying to irk the Texas Big XII schools? Idiots!

Freedman Moor 5 years, 4 months ago

"And they have a huge homecourt advantage when KU comes to town."

Isn't K-State something like 2-28(ish) against KU at home?

Jonathan Allison 5 years, 4 months ago

home court advantage may be good for 10 points but if we're 15 points better than them then we will still win by 5.

and by 25 when we play at AFH.

nuleafjhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

Homecourt advantage is minimal in Manhappy. The fans are clueless about the game of basketball and will head to Agroville in droves when they are behind at halftime.

Lance Cheney 5 years, 4 months ago

Their fans don't know much about basketball, but they sure do know how to boo. Good Lord, I just don't understand it...

If you want a good drinking game, you should take a shot every time the K-State fans boo at a call/no-call. You'll be lit by halftime!

BCRavenJHawkfan 5 years, 4 months ago

Someone explain to me how this game of in state rivals + in conference powers x current top 25 rankings = coverage only on Big 12 Network aka ESPN3?

My math, which granted stopped at algebra & calculus, comes up with it should be a feature game on ESPN!

Damian Glaze 5 years, 4 months ago

The networks don't make the televised schedules every week. This was all put in place in October/November. I'm sure ESPN didn't expect KSCC to be as good as they are right now.

FarSideHawk 5 years, 4 months ago

Is there any news/reaction from Julius Randle after the Texas game that he attened? Just curious.

Kevin Huffman 5 years, 4 months ago

Unfortunately, you would think that it could make him encouraged to consider UT! :( That a team FULL of freshmen & sophomores for them nearly took down a team with 4 Senior starters for us! :(

KGphoto 5 years, 4 months ago

Yeah, but that loss may have put them into the NIT, or worse. You think he wants to play for a team that has zero chance of a Championship, or even a FF? Texas is 0-5 and the laughing stock of the league right now.

Kevin Huffman 5 years, 4 months ago

I'm seriously concerned with 6 of our remaining 7 road gms. :( Wouldn't surprise me to see us lose as many as 3 of the games we have in Manhattan, Morgantown, Norman, Stillwater, Ames & Waco.

I think in order the ones we'd be most likely to lose would go:

  1. Stillwater
  2. Ames
  3. Norman
  4. Manhattan (honestly, a little more worried about the gm. in Lawrence w/ K-State)
  5. Morgantown
  6. Waco (though maybe the worry should be there more?...don't know)

Jonathan Allison 5 years, 4 months ago

why more worried about the game in Lawrence than in Manhattan? They've beaten us twice as many times in Manhattan (2) as they have in Lawrence (1) over the past 18 years or so.

Damian Glaze 5 years, 4 months ago

I think this comment by Self is a good one to note: “The thing with the league race ... I learned this over the years ... four games into an 18-game schedule is very, very early. So much is who you played and where you played them. They are off to a good start. It is for first place 30 percent of the way in. It’s not for first place obviously when we’re getting into deep February.”

He is basically saying KSCC hasn't really played a tough schedule yet - road wins against two of the worst teams in the league and home wins against OSU and OU. But, the same could be said for us, but I would contend our slate has been a little tougher so far with a game and Baylor and Iowa State already behind us. Texas on the road will be difficult for anybody. Texas Tech is the equivalent of the TCU and WVU games. I would say there is a slight advantage to us so far in the early part of the league schedule. We win this game and we will have a huge advantage on KSCC going forward in conference play.

jaybate 5 years, 4 months ago

It is amazing to me that game tickets are $92-$250 for the KSU game and ESPNCBSFOX can't find a channel even up above 300 to show the game. Incredible!!!

Reuben_J_Cogburn 5 years, 4 months ago


Just out of curiosity, are you any good at predictions? I would like to hear your forecast of the game tonight.

Simple. Win or lose? By how much either way?

Tony Bandle 5 years, 4 months ago

Win in a squeeker.....65 - 62. OOPS, sorry, you did say Jaybate!!

Reuben_J_Cogburn 5 years, 4 months ago

I'll gladly take your prediction as well, Oakville. You seem like a rational person.

jaybate 5 years, 4 months ago

I did the homework on the first 14 or so games for fun, and predicted pretty reliably on the winner and the margin of victory, but then I began reading up a little on the gaming industry and it made me kind of sick, so I gave it up. Picking winners and by how much is not that hard IMHO. The hard part is beating the spreads set by the professionals. That's two entirely different things. :-)

I've decided to quit predicting winners and winning margins for awhile, because it made me feel too dirty doing it. From here on out, I just want to analyse the games some and enjoy the game.

I will say KU playing with 4 starters that played 30 minutes plus against Texas, and playing its second road game in a row, makes me think an upset will occur unless KU plays soundly. Its not that KSU is very good. They aren't. But with dead legs on a rival's home floor, a team needs to play soundly to have a chance to win.

Without these strikes against KU, I think KU is vastly the better team and that KU would win 9 games out of ten on a neutral court and 10 of 10 at home.

Self wouldn't come out and say this in his quotes, but it was essentially what he meant, when he talked about Weber being right about it being for first place in the first 30 percent of the conference season, but not in the deep February part of the season, when it counted. KU's got the horsepower for a conference season. KSU doesn't. Self was admitting they could lose in Manhattan, because he had expended his starters to ensure the win in Austin a couple days ago, so as not to take a chance on a loss to Texas and an upset by a hot shooting four guard team. I suspect Self made this choice based on his considerable confidence that so long as KU doesn't experience an accidental two losses in a row, KU is almost certain to walk away with another conference crown. Its not arrogance on his part. Its just an assessment of the teams around the league. A four guard team like KSU can easily hit a shooting slump and lose two in a row, one to bad shooting and one to being small. ISU and OU are pretty inexperienced, so they are apt to lose two in a row once because of that inexperience. OSU is the one to worry about, because it is experienced and so probably won't beat itself. And KU would appear to have more talent than OSU, other things equal. That means KU should come out smelling like a rose if it just doesn't make a gaffe and lose two in a row. So: you get the first half of these two games at any cost (i.e. playing starters 30 minutes plus) and figure you might win against a short team like KSU in a low possession game in which they shoot only average. If Self gets two in this two game combo, then KU can even afford a mistake or two. And if Self gets just the Texas win, well, he comes back to Lawrence and pounds KSU into the cracks in the floor and wins the conference still.

jaybate 5 years, 4 months ago

Even with the tired starters and being on the road, KU will probably win by 10-15.

But as MU proved last season, if your trey shooters get hot in a four guard offense, KU has to chase and can get fouled up chasing. A long team has troubles with four guard offense once it gets fouled up.


Because, while KU can go small, by swapping Tharpe in and Young out, KU lacks experienced depth, if it tries to keep playing small. Other things equal, you don't want to commit for an entire game to play a style of play you lack the depth to play an entire game. What you want to do is start normally and move in and out of it so both your long and your short teams are ready to go to in a stretch run. un. Capice?

This is why I believe Self will start the normal 5 and rotate short before the long team gets fouled up, then go back and forth most of the game, then pick which team has been doing the best, and use it for the stretch run.

Not starting the normal five would be admitting he has doubts about his best players being able to play KSU straight up; that's very unmanly. :-) Self likes not to give an opposing coach that kind of mental edge against his starters.

Besides, short teams need to get into rhythm just as much as other teams. And alternatiing long, short, long, short, chops it up for them.

KU could win this game by 20-25, if it shoots well and plays through its bigs, and KSU is a little cold.

But what I believe Self will do is opt for a low possession game, and go for the win at the ten minute mark as he has done since games have clustered this year, and as he did most of last season. On two days rest, and against a four guard team, a low possession game with a sprint to the final buzzer hugely favors KU IMHO.

KSU, for its part,will be trying to avoid that. They will hurry the ball up the floor for quick threes and quick slashes every chance they get, or else Weber is an idiot.

A four guard team wants to get a long team speeded up, so it doesn't have to contend with defending a lot in the post.

The KSU plan will be for guards to drive on Withey, and drive a shoulder into Withey, and dish. If they do that, Jeff will have to come out frequently to protect against fouls. Whenever Jeff is out, a four guard offense can really do some damage to which ever string-long or short--Self goes with.

But I ain't officially predicting any least until I feel better about the gaming-television complex.

Note: I'm not trying to say anything is drastically different than it ever was. I just like my hoops as pure as I can keep them. I can't wave a wand and stop the betting, but I can at least keep my focus on the game and how its played. :-)

Tony Bandle 5 years, 4 months ago

For all you St.Louis fans, go the YES Network for this Big 12 broadcast. just put it on mute during all the Yankee commercials.

"Cordial" in coachspeak translates "I will give my right testicle to destroy this miserable excuse of a human being!!"

Chris1955 5 years, 4 months ago

Any idea why YES shows so many Big 12 games? There's no geographical connection I can see.

bshafco 5 years, 4 months ago

YES Network is channel 631 on DirecTV, is also on Altitude Alternate, channel 682 and 682-1 for HD. I believe these channels are part of their extra sports package. Also on 723 of the ESPN FULL COURT PACKAGE-not HD.

Tony Bandle 5 years, 4 months ago

For high def 1702 on ATT UVerse as well as 702 for regular picture.

hammerhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

Going to Manhattan's Hawktogon of Swoon for tonite's game? Directions here: Drive west until you smell it. Drive north until you step in it.

jaybate 5 years, 4 months ago

jaybate News Service (JNS):

Dateline: the TV universe

Slug: "Interview with the TV Network Vampire LeStat"

Part 1

(In which jaybate goes into the crypt and opens the flip top box on VSPN (the Vampire Sports Network) network President LeStat.)

jaybate: Great to have you on the jaybate Interview. Let me welcome the Vampire Network President LeStat.

(LeStat sits up a little indignantly, cocks a menacing eye brow, and gets his bearings.)

LeStat: Call me LeStat. I don't like that cheap allusion to Ann Rice novels. I am the real thing. A blood sucking vampire. Not some fictional creation of a woman trying to use genre fiction to deal with issues from growing up in New Orleans.

j: Very well, LeStat, what gives with not televising the KU/KSU game. I have come into your crypt to find out why? These are two highly ranked teams with a rivalry and an initial grudge match between two coaches that appear a little edgy about each other. That seems like a recipe for sending Vitale and the camera trucks.

L: Vitale will not cover games anymore where both coaches refuse to genuflect to him. Period.

j: Well, why not Bilas then?

L: He's praying about a Duke game.

j: Well, surely Fran Fraschilla would come.

L: I have him assigned elsewhere.

j: Well, hell, send the cameras and give a mike to Mad Max Falkenstein, or Moon Man Pollard, they could do it. Its not like you lack bandwidth. Comcast offers a 1000 flipping channels most places. They have room to carry "Whore Wives of Tucumcari" and "Sexually Deviant Male Pawnbrokers from Pawtuckett," Why not the KU-KSU game?

(LeStat angers and his fangs present, then retract as he regains his composure.)

L: Alright, I admit it. I told them not to carry the game, because there is more blood to suck out of other markets with crappy teams playing crappy games from bigger markets, than two teams from....Oz.

j: You admit it? The vampire network President LeStat admits it? On my interview show?

(Fangs present followed by some hissing and a fanning of Lestat's cape.)

L: I vant to suck your blood!!!! I...

(Lestat lowers the cape and retracts his fangs.)

L: I mean, I want to make sure you understand.

j: Understand what? It seems pretty clear.

L: I don't want to be this way, but it is what I am. I am a creature of television. I suck the life from societies. It is what I do. It is all I do. I wish I were put here to do good for people. But I am evil. I am the black pit of hell in the flesh. I am the unliving preying on the living in order to turn them lifeless.

j: I, uh, I don't know quite how to respond.

L: No one does, when I finally confront them with the truth that is too horrible to know.

j: Which is?

jaybate 5 years, 4 months ago

Part 2

L: Television exists to do the bidding of the gaming industry and to valve government and corporate propaganda. Television got out of the entertainment business and the public information services and into the technotronic control and exploitation many decades ago. Television exists to scare you and fill you full of filth so vile that you prefer lifelessness to life, to me, Lestat, to your friends and family. To make you prefer to believe any cockeyed rationales for war and conspiracy theories spun by government to cover up acts of buccaneerism...

j: Sorry to interrupt, but our audience may not understand your use of the term "bucanneerism."

(Fangs present and retract again.)

L: Institutionalized piracy, you moron. That's what governments and economies and militaries taken over by private oligarchies are. (fanning his cape) Don't you know anything at all? Show me your neck! NOW!!!

j: Not so fast, leech face!

(jaybate holds up a warm garlic oven and waves a cruciform letter opener.)

L: Noooooooo, put them away!!!!

j: Why? So you can suck me dry, too?

L: Yes, I vant to suck your blood? Don't you see? I am a pitiful little living dead thing that will perish completely without your blood.

j: Then prepare to meet your maker, vile vampire network President Lestat!!! This is my blood and I'm keeping it in my veins.

(jaybate throws a cooked garlic clove at the vampire network President LeStat.)

L: You vill regret this. No one can stand in the way of television shaping spreads for the gaming industry. No one.

(jaybate waves the cruciform letter opener with the words "Give to ORU" on them.

j: What makes the gaming industry so powerful? How can anything be so powerful as to prevent the televising of a KU-KSU game when both teams are highly ranked and its bound to be a good game?

(Lestat draws his cape over his face to shield himself from the letter opener.)

L: Before I answer, do you have any silver bullets?

j: No, I am a non violent resister.

(The cape lowers slightly to reveal the face grown even more pale and hideous.)

L: I am but the dark prince of bettor stimulation. The king of odds is the Satan of Spreads. I, Lestat, am but his dark servant.

j: VPSN is owned by the gaming industry?

L: Nothing is ever that simple. Nothing but sucking the blood from the living is that simple.

j: Who then? The truth...I want the truth!!

jaybate 5 years, 4 months ago

Part 3

L: The truth? You can't handle the truth. You keep using this same worn out schtick from "A Few Good Men," without ever getting to it. You are weak. But your blood is sweet and I vant it."

(He lowers the cape and approaches with fangs showing.)

j: Stop!!!! Stop!!!!

(jaybate fumbles through his wallet for his lucky Silver Certificate $1 dollar bill, withdraws it and waves it at LeStat.)

L: NOOOOO!!! Not that!!! Not a Silver Certificate!!!!

j: Yes, you dark undead demon walking. A silver certificate. John F. Kennedy ordered $4 billion of these printed four weeks before he was assassinated to protect us all from the likes of you.

L: Yes, I know, please put it away. Pretty please. I am growing weaker. I might perish.

j: Good, I hope you do. I hope you never darken my interview show again!!!!! Now the truth, or I will stuff this silver certificate down your throat and end you once and for all.

L: Follow the money. Follow the ownership shells that own the Gaming industry. Follow who permits the illegal drug business for an untaxable, unreported cut. Follow who runs the black market weapons business. Follow the money. Follow the blood money. Now please, take that silver certificate away from me.

(jaybate, stunned, shaking, withdraws it and stares down, a broken alias, muttering.)

j: All I wanted was to have the KU-KSU game televised to give decent aliases something to jump for joy about in mid winter, something good, a good game, something that could not be warped and corrupted by power and greed....

L: Somethings, my doddering old Lear, are not meant to be in one's life time.

(LeStat transforms into a bat and flies away)

j: That's all from LeStat's crypt. Good night...and good luck.

(Note: All fiction. No malice.)

jaybate 5 years, 4 months ago

Note: Excuse me, Miss Rice, a novelist I respect a good deal. I meant to change LeStat to LeStatic for this satire. Please accept my apologies.)

Tony Bandle 5 years, 4 months ago

KSU's four guard offense..please meet, KU's small lineup.

In most cases our four guys are taller, longer and just as quick your four guys and our big guy will take your big guy out behind the tool shed and spank him good!!!

It's staggering to think K-State is 3-44 against Kansas. At least, all the Wildcat fans and Alumni have memorial CD's of each of their victories!! LOL!!!

Ron Franklin 5 years, 4 months ago

I've got the game here in SEK on Dish Network....around channel 442.

JHWK 5 years, 4 months ago

Ya, that's a pay channel - Season Ticket or something. If you have just a normal subscription we have to hope one of our brethren posts a link here, as per normal. Help us out, brother 'Hawks!

HawkKlaw 5 years, 4 months ago

Everyone keeps talking about how KU may switch to a smaller lineup to match up against KSU better. However, I don't think KU needs to alter its gameplan. Just because they don't have anyone to match up against Withey, it doesn't mean that KU should put a shorter guy out there. Withey brings too much to the table (especially defensively) to not have him out there for significant minutes.

I do think Self will opt for a shorter lineup at times throughout the game (especially if Withey isn't having much of an impact on defense), but I see KU going with it's normal game plan and lineup for the most part.

texashawk10 5 years, 4 months ago

Q: What's the difference between a KSU fan and a donkey?

A: Nothing, they're both EMAWing jacka$$es.

kellyrojo78 5 years, 4 months ago

Please if someone has a link for tonights game hook it up. Not on my Direct tv and can't get ESPN3 here in South Cacalac! Go Jayhawks!

nostradavid 5 years, 4 months ago

The Jayhawks will kick out the jams at Barnlage Silo tonight. Since they have been playing down to the level of the competition lately, their volume knob will be at 11. Party like ...

Two Wild & Crazy Guys!

Two Wild & Crazy Guys! by nostradavid

Kent Richardson 5 years, 4 months ago

If Frank Haith goes to Bolivia instead of Paraguay he could take Robert Redford with him and be Botch Casually and the Sundance Kid.

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