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Kansas defeats Baylor, 61-44

  • 8 p.m., Jan. 14, 2013
  • Allen Fieldhouse, Lawrence, KS

Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Twisted ending: Ben McLemore suffers minor ankle injury in KU rout over Baylor

Kansas guard Ben McLemore swings off the rim after a dunk against Baylor during the second half on Monday, Jan. 14, 2013 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Ben McLemore swings off the rim after a dunk against Baylor during the second half on Monday, Jan. 14, 2013 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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Fans watch as Kansas guard Ben McLemore is helped into the lockerroom late in the second half on Monday, Jan. 14, 2013 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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KU-Baylor

Kansas University’s annual basketball beatdown of Baylor in Allen Fieldhouse was interrupted by a scary moment with 2:44 to play.

That’s when freshman sensation Ben McLemore, who turned his ankle while making a cut on the offensive end, crumpled to the floor. He slammed the floor in frustration, pain and disgust before he limped off to the locker room with the help of team doctors.

McLemore, who scored a game-high 17 points off 7-of-13 shooting while playing 34 minutes in the Jayhawks’ 61-44 victory over the Bears, suffered a Grade One sprain of the ankle and is listed day-to-day, coach Bill Self told the Journal-World while returning to the coach’s locker room after the game.

“We’ll ice it, elevate it, treat it and see how he is going forward,” Self said after the Jayhawks improved to 10-0 all-time against BU in Allen Fieldhouse, the games decided by an average of 17 points, which was Monday’s margin of victory.

“He sprained an ankle. I think it scared him as much as anything else. He said he heard a pop, but Bill (Cowgill, trainer) said he checked it out and he probably just has a sprained ankle and with a few days off he should be OK. We’re certainly hopeful two to three days (maximum missed time),” Self added.

McLemore’s injury certainly put a damper on a game in which KU dominated in improving to 3-0 in the Big 12 and 15-1 overall. Baylor fell to 2-1 in the league and 11-5 overall.

“We all were concerned, but I think he’s going to be all right,” said KU freshman forward Perry Ellis, who scored six points off 3-of-9 shooting. Ellis had seven rebounds in 21 minutes.

“I just talked to him in the locker room. He was doing all right (icing the ankle 45 minutes after the game). I think he’s going to be all right,” Ellis added.

Senior Elijah Johnson, who scored 12 points with one assist against two turnovers, outplayed fellow Las Vegas native Pierre Jackson, who scored 10 points off 2-of-12 shooting with four assists and four turnovers.

“My heart dropped,” Johnson said of seeing McLemore get hurt. “You see somebody who works as hard as Ben, you don’t want to see something bad happen to him. He’s all right. He panicked more than anything which happens a lot of times.”

The story of Monday’s game was defense.

BU’s 44 points were the fewest a KU team has allowed in a conference game since the Jayhawks held the Nebraska Cornhuskers to 39 points on Feb. 17, 2007 in Lawrence. KU held the Bears to 23.2-percent shooting. It marked the lowest opponent shooting percentage of the season and lowest since KU held Howard to 22.2 percent shooting on Dec. 29, 2011. According to KU officials, it also was “the lowest percentage by a Big 12 opponent and lowest by a conference foe since the 1988-89 season.”

“We played terrific,” Self said. “If we had just gotten back in transition ... it says (on stat sheet) they only got seven transition points but it seemed like we challenged them way too much in the backcourt and they got behind us. Jackson is so good and puts so much pressure on you, but he kind of deferred in the second half.

“I thought we did a good job of guarding them. We were so aggressive. We had 10 blocked shots at half (Jeff Withey had three of KU’s 13 total blocks; Jamari Traylor also had three) and several strips. In the second half, we kind of played a little more contained. I know they missed some good looks, but they didn’t get as many as maybe some other teams have gotten on us. That’s probably as well as we’ve guarded in a while.”

KU forced 16 turnovers while committing 14.

“We did a really good job stripping and raking and trying to do those kind of things,” Self said.

Of point guard Johnson’s play in a game against Preseason Player of the Year Jackson, Self said: “He played well. Naadir (Tharpe, two points, 1-6 shooting, three turnovers) has struggled the last couple games. But he was so good early. We’ll get him back. Perry was as aggressive as he’s been all year long, and still yet, he’s a terrific shooter and didn’t shoot it well tonight. There are so many things we can do to improve, but guys were locked in defensively, and if the other team can’t score, you’re probably going to be very successful.”

McLemore scored eight points and eight KU players scored the first half as the Jayhawks led, 33-20, at the break.

The Jayhawks used an 8-0 run to stretch a 23-18 lead at 5:31 to 31-18 at 2:51. Seniors Kevin Young, Johnson and Travis Releford and freshman Ellis scored in the run.

Earlier, KU used a 10-0 run to stretch a 12-9 lead (at 12:51) to 22-9 (at 10:31). McLemore scored six points, while Tharpe had a nice tip of a McLemore miss and Ellis a driving layup in the surge.

KU opened the game by taking a 10-3 lead. Withey and Releford had four points apiece and Johnson a steal and dunk.

KU, which led, 33-20, at halftime, used an early 9-3 run to grab a 42-23 lead at 17:04. KU led, 47-28, at 13:20 and was never really challenged the final half.

The Jayhawks will next meet Texas at 1 p.m. Saturday, in Austin.

Comments

akgjenkintown 1 year, 9 months ago

Downer seeing Ben in pain. The season rides on the all the Jayhawks staying healthy. Depth still is not there off the bench, so any games lost by the starters could be a big issue.

Joel Thomas 1 year, 9 months ago

Seems as if Ben will be all right. Next in line for now, but of course everyone will keep an eye on Ben.

Brendan Connolly 1 year, 9 months ago

What a dominant defensive statement. Ignore the missed shots and only look at shots made and blocked and we hold them to 50%.....13 blocks and 13 field goals made. They hade the same likely hood of getting blocked as making a basket....that is ridiculous.

Curtis Stutz 1 year, 9 months ago

Likelihood, just fyi. Funny thing is KU would have blocked even more shots but several times the BU players just dropped the ball after starting to go up or lost it and didn't give our guys a chance to stuff the stat sheet.

Alohahawk 1 year, 9 months ago

Great game, for everyone. I think Self would have preferred beating them (read, Scott) by even more, but am sure he is delighted everytime he beats Baylor. This was a very methodical beatdown.

Hopeyour ankle injury is minor and that you're back to 100 % soon, Ben,

Check out the story on Jamari Traylor running on ESPN.com, their NCAA BB page. Great background imfo on his trials and tribulations, during his youthful, pre-KU days.

TexasRockChalk 1 year, 9 months ago

Great to see your posts on here Alohahawk. Sorry I missed you yet again on my Hawai'i visit back in October! :)

Alohahawk 1 year, 9 months ago

Mahalo, TRC. I've been rather busy over the holidays so I've been reading posts more than sending them in. Can't complain about the Jayhawks. Self has them playing his type of defense.

BTW. You're lucky. You missed all the rain (and some windy days) we've had over the last few weeks. :>)

KJD 1 year, 9 months ago

Alert: Debbie Downer post! It looked like it could be a high ankle sprain, which can be all together a different beast than a minor ankle sprain as when you role over your foot to the inside. He planted with his right foot with his heel up, the lower leg/foot quickly twists out though not too far yet with a lot of pressure, he hits the floor in immediate pain and grabs the outside of his leg above the ankle. He grabs just above his high-top like he is holding it where it hurts. I've looked at it several times and he definitely did not roll to the inside over his foot. Only the doctors will know through testing and we are all hoping for the very best for Ben.

High ankle sprains can be a long term nightmare or he could be back for the Texas game. High ankle sprains can haunt a player until they can rest it without practice or playing games. There is quite a range of severity, at worst it includes bone displacement so his ability to walk is great news. Either way that kind of injury does not swell much at all.

I thought twice, jeez, even three times about posting this observation because it's a total Debbie Downer perspective though it's clearly what you'll see if you watch the tape. So yes, I'm hopeful, very hopeful, though there is still an element of worry for how long he might be out.

jhox 1 year, 9 months ago

I saw the same thing you saw, and I've had enough sprains (including severe sprains requiring casting and surgery, and a bone displacement like you describe) to feel like a reluctant expert on the subject. I agree it looked like a high ankle sprain, but it didn't look like it turned over very far. High sprains don't necessarily imply a more severe sprain or a longer recovery time. Let's hope it was as mild as it looked. What does scare me is how gingerly he was walking out of the arena. Once the initial pain is gone, often guys can go back in the game, but then wake up the next day unable to put weight on it. He looked to be in serious pain.

Now for the unquestionably good news. It was his right ankle...a righty does their most explosive jumping off of the left ankle. It will hurt his lateral quickness for a few weeks but less so his ability to elevate.

KJD 1 year, 9 months ago

"It will hurt his lateral quickness for a few weeks" is what concerned me last night because it effects his way to defend, to pressure the ball without letting his man get around him, to work through defending his man as he works through screens, to rotate for help like he did when he moved into the lane recently to try to take a hard charge. You need great lateral movement to play high end KU style defense.

It will be interesting to watch the Baylor game again while exclusivly focusing on McLemore on the D end, then immediately watch him on the D end in his next game. Texas is down this year though they will be well up for us at home to try to move their season in a positive direction. At KState this year will be one of our toughest games on the schedule. The Wildcats run the motion offense so you can expect Ben will need to run a lot on the defensive end and make plenty of cuts defensively on that ankle.

Jack Wilson 1 year, 9 months ago

I am very comfortable saying that this was not a high ankle sprain. It was not the right mechanism of injury. With a high ankle sprain, your ankle moves inward, and your foot moves outside. With Ben's injury, it was the opposite, more of a roll your ankle kind of deal .. a low ankle sprain. His foot went inward, ankle outward. The high ankle sprain happens many times in football when someone is contacted from the outside, forcing the ankle inward.

What I was more concerned with was that the rolling of the ankle was more over his foot, than cleanly to side. But this was not a high ankle sprain.

jhox 1 year, 9 months ago

Here's a link to a drawing depicting a high ankle injury. I'm still inclined to agree with KJD on this one HighElite, primarily because the heel was elevated at the time of the injury, which causes more of a twisting rather than lateral movement of the joint. That said, I hope you're right and we're wrong. I went back and watched him walking out of the arena, and that did not appear to me to be a mild ankle injury. I pray to God that I'm wrong. Here's the illustration link:

http://www.examiner.com/article/what-is-a-high-ankle-sprain

Jack Wilson 1 year, 9 months ago

I have never understood it that way, so I called an orthopaedic surgeon, who is a friend of mine, over lunch today. He said it is very rare for a high ankle sprain to result from a normal roll of the ankle. He said that my explanation is the much more common way it occurs. However, he did say that severe rotation can do it even the other way ... so, what KJD said as far as what he saw is not incorrect since Ben's did seem to rotate a bit over his foot. Meaning, it could have been a high ankle sprain as KJD and jhox suggest. It's just not the normal mechanism.

A normal ankle sprain does not normally impact those high ankle ligaments, on the outside of the leg. Here are some links below, as well as a photo I found.

http://www.aofas.org/footcaremd/conditions/ailments-of-the-ankle/Pages/High-Ankle-Sprain.aspx

This is from the above link:

High ankle sprains occur from rotational injuries, much like ankle fractures. They are common in sports, especially impact sports. An external rotation, meaning that the foot is turned towards the outside with respect to the leg, most commonly causes these tears.

http://www.footvitals.com/ankle/high-ankle-sprain.html

This is from the above link --

High Ankle Sprain Causes

During normal ankle sprains, the foot rolls inward. High ankle sprains occur when the ankle and foot roll outward, spraining the syndesmotic ligament. This is the difference between high ankle sprains and normal ankle sprains. Side-to-side running, starting and stopping your feet repetitively, or turning while in motion are common ways to induce a high ankle sprain.

Images to look at:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=high+ankle+sprain+images&id=C350A83C08C5451AFAD2CFAF03FD4DED61F56559&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=D76B9B3AC34AD5CE06A6C45F70FA0B7866A328F7&selectedIndex=14

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=high+ankle+sprain+images&id=C350A83C08C5451AFAD2CFAF03FD4DED61F56559&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=79E8C8B2EDE27AB4173773F44A4DD75C3A183AFB&selectedIndex=104

jhox 1 year, 9 months ago

Regardless, I'm just glad it is being confirmed to be a minor injury. It didn't look like he twisted it that far, but he sure reacted like it was a more severe injury that it apparently turned out to be, and we can all be happy for that.

Damian Glaze 1 year, 9 months ago

ESPN showed highlights of the tennis tournament in Australia last night where Serena Williams sprained her ankle in almost the exact same fashion as Ben. She rested it for a few minutes; taped it up heavily and then went on to finish the match. The biggest adjustment Ben will have to make for the next couple weeks is whether he feels comfortable playing with it wrapped tight. I know when I played thinking about the restrictive movement was worse than any pain. Sometimes it is just in your head and you worry about doing it again or aggravting it further.

nostradavid 1 year, 9 months ago

a little ice, an elastic ankle brace and Ben will be back soon. He's tough.

you forgot the picture KJD

you forgot the picture KJD by nostradavid

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

The responses about Ben's ankle are so positive that it's likely he will be having surgery after the season.

Jack Wilson 1 year, 9 months ago

Someone said "cynics are made not born."

Ron Franklin 1 year, 9 months ago

Like when Self said Zack Peters would be back in a month :)

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

• Disruption Stat tells most again.

KU: 23:14

BU 14:14

KU didn't blew Baylor out. It guarded and disrupted them out.

Baylor's D Stat was good enough to beat most teams.

But KU's was stratospheric.

• For board rats that doubt Self sends them out flat with a rudimentary game plan some games, while amping them and giving them a sophisticated scheme, the prosecution wishes to enter the last two games as evidence that Self does exactly what you doubt.

• The dark lining to this silver cloud of a game was this: KU struggled almost as much scoring on Baylor's size as KU's opponents do on KU's size. Inference: if KU runs into a tall team, it better work on scoring on bigs.

• Jeff needs a new rule. Forget backing in and finishing strong against guys your size. The jump hook is your only path to offensive glory.

• EJ played well in many ways. Its scary to think how good he could be with good knees. Only a fabulous athlete could do what he is doing with those knees.

• Perry showed repeated signs of life. Perry really got after them. Poor shooting means nothing against footers.

• Kevin looked very good also, despite shooting problems against footers.

• Its crazy this team can win big shooting lousy from trey, when it's inside game is hampered by footers.

• A huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge win. A megillah of a win.

dylans 1 year, 9 months ago

About your flat vs. amped comments. Any good coach would try to have his guys more ready (prepared, pumped, amped) for a better opponent or one he beefs with. You simply cannot run on high emotionally all season. It is impossible to give 100% every game. No one goes to work every Monday and is 100% on top of their game (if you think you do you need to be more critical of yourself). So a good coach ratchets up the intensity when the situation demands it. Basketball 101. I don't think Bill tones it down I do think he just doesn't try to amp the players up. I also think (having played a little) that players are naturally inclined to be pumped for certain games (i.e. vs Duke, vs Kentucky, vs Kansas, Big Monday, or inter-league or inter-state rivalries).

Jaybate, I think we agree, but I just wanted to restate this in my own words.

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

By all means, dylans; this is a craft, not a science.

But let me add this for your future contemplation.

All coaches I have talked to think emotional intensity varies day to day and game to game. Most coaches I have talked to assume like you that emotions run higher for top opponents than for lesser ones.

But different coaches I have talked with approach the "level of performance" phenomenon differently.

They cope with the problem of what to do about its effect on performance differently.

For example, Wooden thought that given these emotional peaks and valleys what a coach and team needed to strive for was balance. Don't get too high, don't get too low. Try to be intensely focused on execution every game, regardless of where you are in the cyclic emotional swings, but try to not let yourself get too high or too low emotionally. Wooden tried to recruit guys with intense competitive fire, so he didn't have to try to light a fire under them. He liked to rein guys in. Whether the opponent was good, or bad, his he wanted ferociously competitive types that he modulated to a middle ground of emotion. This was why Wooden's teams were never high fiving on the floor and jumping up and down and cheering on the bench. It wasn't just an expression of his morality. He felt morality's function was to smooth out the emotional high's and lows, as well as instruct us in doing the right thing.

Compare this with Self who says that since there are these highs and lows that he is going to let his guys swagger up and down their ascents and descents. He says he is not going to try to have them hew to some emotional mean. Instead, he is going to try to teach them ways to play when you are flat and nothing is going right.

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

This is a very different approach that Wooden's.

And I suspect there are many, many more approaches.

But the key thing with Self is that he is trying to valve whatever emotional reservoir you have when you need it most, and not when you need it least.

I have never understood why board rats doubt this.

All one has to do is stand in the presense of a magnetic, charismatic person and one feels a boost of energy just from standing next to them.

I remember meeting Wooden. When the subject was not basketball, he was the meekest guy you have ever seen. He almost disappeared in the group. But when conversation turned to hoops, it was like he became flipping Teddy Roosevelt. It was unbelievable how he switched on.

Great coaches with quality, great persons in any field, learn over time they can turn it on and off, or turn it up, or down.

I used to have to give some lectures and speeches. I quickly learned that I could amp up a crowd, or bore them to death. But I couldn't amp them up for very long without really scripting the performance.

Self just scripts his performances leading up to games and in the locker room before the games.

Its actually not so hard, because players want to be inspired by a coach. They want to get amped up.

Amping persons up is a kind of hypnosis. Hypnosis only works if a person wants to be hypnotized. Players want to be hypnotized even when they are at low ebb.

And a dynamic coach can amp them up from low ebb, or take them higher than kites when they are already up; this is when some of these peak performances occur. The guys are ready because it s a big game, and the coach comes in and amps them up further.

But its tricky. Amping them today means amping them tomorrow will be difficult to do. And you can amp them too much; i.e., to the point that their heightened state of emotional arousal is so great they cannot modulate across the range of broad to narrow focus. They get too tight.

Maybe the reason some board rats struggle with this concept is that they were never amped by a parent, a coach, or a boss.

I was and its real.

dylans 1 year, 9 months ago

I've been around coaches that have a calming effect (like the calm in the middle of a storm). But never a good coach that would send his team out flat intentionally. I think not pumping them up and sending them out flat happens intentionally, but I don't think a coach would intentionally deflate his team.

TexasRockChalk 1 year, 9 months ago

Jaybate- Is your avatar the Cup of Life from Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade? ;)

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

Yes, but I like to call it The Grail. :-)

And yes, I believe it is buried a 7 feet beneath the center circle in a small chamber, where 100 guards it, and where one day, I hope not too soon, I will assist him in looking after it.

TexasRockChalk 1 year, 9 months ago

I just happened to see it last weekend: hence, the reason for my inquiry :) It looked very familiar and yes HEM, He did choose wisely :)

Jaybate, you take a lot of crap dude for your sometimes all too superfluous and garrulous posts, but by and by, they are informative and well-thought out. However, please don't mistake my pleasure in reading your posts to launch into a one-page summary of the leit motifs in the Indiana Jones series :)

1 year, 9 months ago

Nice sentiment regarding 100, jb. Reminds me of one of your posts from several years ago where you describe a dream you once had regarding visions from underneath the AFH court.

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

Yes, this has been a recurring theme in my writing here. Living myths are real, but I believe they benefit from some occassionally recurrent fictional imagery in order for those experiencing the living myth to be aware of it. :-)

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

TexasRockChalk,

Part 1

Frankly, I don't see it as taking a lot of crap at all. I consider it necessary to the task at hand. :-)

Let me explain. :-)

I could easily write so that I got nothing but strokes, or indifference, but that wouldn't get me to the rim where I want to finish.

I see the crap as part of pathfinding and working through issues with board rats regarding pathfinding into the Technotronic Age (more about the technotronic age later).

I always tell those that ask: this is a logonasium where I work out.

I try this and I try that. The varieties of digitial expression (yes, I'm alluding to William James here) are almost infinite. And each variety challenges a reader, if the reader has not experienced it before, and often for many times before the reader accesses it.

In case you've noticed, I can write almost anyway I want. I'm not bragging. Its nothing much to brag about. Its an ability I got, like hops in hoops, while not getting some others.

I can write in ways that trigger agreement and approval.

I can write in ways that trigger indifference.

I can write in ways that trigger certain kinds of board rats to outrage.

I can write things that trigger unease, or anger, or outright hate and prejudice.

I can write in ways that trigger one group of board rats to outrage, and another to sublime approval.

I can write in ways that touch persons, and in ways that make them cry, and in ways that make them laugh, and in ways that infuriate them.

But eliciting those reactions are not my goal. They are rather simply reactions that sometimes help readers get to the point I hope to share with them, or help them become better at reading and writing about The Legacy.

All real learning is painful. Anyone that doubts this has never done any real learning. Any one that has never felt any pain from anything I have written has never really learned anything from me. They have just been entertained, or outraged, or otherwise distracted.

Learning hurts. Period.

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

Part 2

Not everything is worth learning.

But anything worth learning hurts to learn.

It hurts to learn, because you have to change the way you think to learn it. Sometimes only a little, sometimes a lot.

I work out here to:

a) learn more about the game;

b) have fun with virtual friends;

c) practice techniques and try out new ones; ;

d) to suffer learning;

e) to inflict learning; and so

f) to contribute to the intellectual development of an online community capable of sustaining a continuity of knowledge about The Legacy.

This community offers manifold learning opportunities. One can learn about how it works. One can learn about how persons learn. One can learn about what is not known and what is. One can learn about prejudices. One can learn about virtues. One can learn about the game. One can learn about coaching. And about playing. And about the lives of coaches and players. And about the media. And about the business of the game. And about the politics of the game. And about political economy the game is embedded in. And about the criminal organizations that prey on the game and its people. And about the varieties of digital experiences of all of the above. And so on.

That's a lot to learn about and so it offers an almost endless opportunity to experience the pain and joy of learning, and teaching and being taught, to say nothing of the joys of just hanging out and horsing around.

If I write something one way it is intentional and because I think the content and form were conducive to engaging readers into coming to grips with some subject that fascinates me.

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

Part 3

I let what fascinates me be my guide. I am not being paid, and I am not responsible for an enterprise making ends meet, and so I do not have to engage in discourse in a conventionally responsible way.

I have one responsibility: The Legacy.

Does what I do add to it in some small way? Illuminate a part of it that some may overlook? Do I make some aspect of it more understandable? Do I trigger persons that don't think to think in a way that makes them more capable of perpetuating The Legacy in the first phase of the Technotronic Age that The Legacy is being transitioned into via the web site and net and commerce and legal political infrastructure at play today?

The Legacy, in so far as it is to be chronicled and perpetuated, needs writers and readers capable of fulfilling their online roles and of exploding out of those roles in order impact the community in ways that further it.

In order to achieve that, readers must master not only their comfort zones, but also be brought into their zones of discomfort (or rather have that path offered to them when the rigors of their lives permit them the resources to do so) so that they can discover they can not only handle these zones, but that these zones can lead to their greatest growth as writers and readers impacting this community.

We are growing our own community here, often inspite of ourselves, sometimes through the manipulation of the infrastructure providers, and sometimes because of ourselves.

Many come here thinking it is only a meeting of fans. But it is a kind of team too. It is a place to play, as well as to cheer. Thus, I am always trying to arc across this duality in order to remind that there is a duality to arc across.

We are all comfortable loving the Jayhawks each in our own ways. And we are all comfortable studying the game to a certain point. But after that our zones of discomfort are infinite in all directions (to crib from Freeman Dyson).

The more we expand into these zones of discomfort and then arc across what we learn there with what we are comfortable, then the more robust the online community becomes.

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

Part 4

Why is robustness of community significant? Why does it matter?

Because, in the Technotronic Age that we are only recently embarked on, the technotronic forces of mind control will in time program all but the most robust living, thinking communities.

This is no lie.

Zbigniew Brzezinski has been explaining the phenomenon--its costs, benefits and dangers--to all who will listen since 1976 at least.

Humanity has two futures.

One future is composed of living, thinking, insightful communities.

The other is communities of the programmed--the Borg.

Both will exist, because the former will thrive off the subordination of the latter.

These two communities have always existed in humanity for as long as humanity has lived together.

But these two communities are now about become much more asymmetrically distributed.

Those living and thinking persons and their communities are going to be much smaller as a percentage of the population, because the technology enables it and the incentive systems predicate it.

In the technotronic age, The Legacy of KU basketball can either become a part of the Borg, or it can be a living, thinking community continuing The Legacy.

Robustness is everything.

Why endeavor to do this in an online basketball community?

Because humanity has to learn how to crawl before it can learn how to walk in the Technotronic Age.

:-)

TexasRockChalk 1 year, 9 months ago

Speaking of community, when you get a chance, look up the Greek word "koinonia". I think it will inspire you in some of your upcoming posts vis à vis The Legacy and Community of the Keepers of Kansas Basketball Tradition.

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

Fascinating word visually with a profound etiology.

Thanks for adding it to my vocabulary.

Rock Chalk.

KansasComet 1 year, 9 months ago

The only thing scary as far as KU is concerned is that they have not reached their full potential. The best is yet to come. We have three bench players that are not getting the type of minutes they had hoped for (Ellis, White III, and Adams), and another that is coming back from injury in Wesley. I believe this makes for spririted practices, which can only make this team better.

REHawk 1 year, 9 months ago

Comet, please don't forget Jamari. Those 3 blocks in 7 minutes are indicative of terrific intensity and focus. The kid has hops and heart. Before he leaves Kansas he is going to be a stud. He will earn the kind of dollars which might help bring his own family back together. I am really high on Jamari...and am glad to see him getting some playing time this first year.

woodys61 1 year, 9 months ago

I am as big of a Jamari fan as anyone, but he is not going to have much of an impact this year on this team. He will be very effective for 7-8 minutes a game relieving our starters on the defensive end, but is almost no threat on the offensive end. Don't get me wrong, that is very important for a deep run, but to think that he is going to break out sometime this year is overly optomistic. Perry still has the ability to impact games this season as he is more offensively skilled and has started being aggressive on the boards. White III may have some impact this year yet, but it will only be an occaisional game when we get into foul trouble or he is plugged in and gets hot from three. Adams is going to disappear almost completely the rest of the season. I doubt he averages 2 minutes a game from here on.

KansasComet 1 year, 9 months ago

REHawk,

Spot on, thanks! This team is really rounding into something special for years to come! Hops and Heart...Instant Classic!!

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

I'm with coach on JamTray. There is a lot of physical ability with enough want-to claw his way back from homelessness. He just needs to burn in more neural nets on certain techniques. All he needs are a few offensive moves, and some reps and he can do harm to an opponent. Every one can hit a ceiling (Justin), or get caught behind a better player. Jamari could hit a ceiling, but, dang, a kid who survives homelessness in inner city Chi and gets back under a roof and gets to KU? That's some kind of want-to right there. Statistically, he's a long shot, but then what I always say is: statistically he was a long shot to get this far. Statistics describe tendencies. They lump anomalies into error factors. We won't know if Jam Tray is an anomaly, or a low ceiling, till next season.

TXChalker 1 year, 9 months ago

I hope that Ben is able to play Sat. here in Austin. I am going and can't wait to see them live. There is a large KU fan base here and I will not be surprised if they aren't sold out. UT fans are not that loyal. The last game they only had 6200+ people there and earlier in the non-conference games they were selling tickets for $3 trying to get people there.
Rock Chalk Jayhawk GO KU!

woodys61 1 year, 9 months ago

Hope the Jayhawk fans can dominate the crowd in Texas. Remember, Julius Randle is visiting Texas for that game. A good beat down and a 5 minute ROCK CHALK chant at the end of the game will tell him all he needs to know to make the right decision!!!!!

FearlessJayhawk 1 year, 9 months ago

When I saw Ben go down, I felt the whole season flash before my eyes. I don't want to see go down like other players we have had in the past, like Archie Marshall and others I can't think of their names. As far as the Texas game is concerned, things have really gone down hill in Austin. My Niece was able to buy four tickets for $10 a piece.

clevelandjayhawker 1 year, 9 months ago

I kept waiting for Brent Musburger to make a comment about how good looking a woman was, seems like the closest he came to a harassment comment was about Hudy (which they butchered) working with Holly Rowe.

texashawk10 1 year, 9 months ago

At the very end of the broadcast, he said Holly Rowe looked smoking.

HawksWin 1 year, 9 months ago

HEM, I share JB's sentiments given I have yet to hear Self declaring any serious injuries (ie Johnson or Taylor) until after the surgery. That said, I understand the disadvantageous of doing so and can't blame Self. Just hope the injury is minor as you proclaim.

HawksWin 1 year, 9 months ago

HEM, I share JB's cynicism since I don't recall Self declaring any injury to be serious, and we don't even know about those injuries (ie Johnson's or Taylor's knee) until right before or after the surgery. That said, I understand the disadvantageous of announcing (to opponents), so I can't blame Self. But I am a cautious skeptic when it comes to his comments on injuries. Just hope McLemore will recover fully and quickly.

Chris Shaw 1 year, 9 months ago

Man, what is up with the server today?

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

University of Tulsa school of cyberspying students must be working on a school project. :-)

Chris Shaw 1 year, 9 months ago

-You have to commend Kansas’ defensive efforts tonight. 10 steals and 13 blocks as a Team. Wow! On a night where Kansas wasn’t hitting shots in the half-court (Kansas was getting looks though), their defense turned into offensive transition was pretty darn good tonight.

  • EJ-Despite the two fouls EJ picked up in the first four minutes, this was the best game I’ve seen EJ play all season. EJ was aggressive, he penetrated, he didn’t settle for perimeter shots, he was in the paint, he created for others, he cut down his turnovers, he went North/South with his dribble, and he was “Smart” when he played with two fouls in the first half. That is the EJ I have been waiting for. He didn’t have as many assists as previous games, but he didn’t have as many turnovers either. I’ll take this EJ.

-Tharpe-You know it’s funny…EJ and Tharpe are complete opposites. Regardless of the outcome, I like it when Tharpe penetrates. I like the fact he’s trying to make something happen and for the most part he does make good decisions when he’s in the middle of the trees in the paint. I can handle his turnovers as long as he’s trying to “Create”.

The part that is frustrating with Tharpe right now is his shot selection from behind the arc. His “Timing” of his shot attempts has been off in recent games. He’s definitely breaking up the flow with those shots. Now, his missed shots in the paint I don’t really have a problem with. You can tell he’s becoming more comfortable and confident dribbling with the ball in his hands. If Self can get Tharpe to make better decisions with his shot selection, Tharpe will be fine. Tharpe did have a nice tip in after the McLemore missed lay-up. He never gave up on the play which was great to see.

-Withey-The guy acts and looks like he is on stilts defensively. Great defensive effort by Withey. Withey still struggles offensively and it definitely showed tonight against another footer in Austin. Austin did a good job defensively against Withey, but then again Withey isn’t great offensively either. Withey is the man!

-KY-I think this is the KY we as fans expected from KY all season. The good part is that KY has elevated everybody’s expectations of him with his past play, which is good. Not a great night by him against taller players, but he was active and showed great energy as usual. Ellis definitely dipped into his minutes tonight.

cont'd

Chris Shaw 1 year, 9 months ago

-AirMcLemore-Talk about a quiet night from McLemore and he still had 17 points, 8 rebounds, 3 steals, and 2 blocks. That’s an amazing stat line for a guy IMO was pretty quiet in the game. McLemore still struggles at times in the half-court, but when he can get steals and get in the open court………Wow! I sure hope his ankle is okay! Scary moment for sure for all Kansas Fans!

-Relly-I thought Relly was fantastic defensively tonight. I thought he did a great job on Pierre Jackson tonight when he was on him. I think Relly’s length definitely bothered the shorter Jackson. You know, for the first time since the first couple of games, we witnessed a cold shooting night from Relly. I am shocked! I hope he snaps out of this shooting slump immediately. 

-Ellis-Standing Ovation for Perry Ellis tonight! Yes, he was 3-9 from the floor for only 6 points, but the guy was more aggressive than I’ve ever seen him before. He was all over the glass, had an awesome block on Austin, and was trying to do things differently in a more aggressive fashion on offense which was great to see.

-Traylor-Traylor was pretty damn efficient for his 7 minutes. He was everywhere defensively with 3 blocks and all over the glass with 3 boards. He definitely made an “Impact” when he was in the game. He gave up some easy buckets against Baylor’s “Big’s”, but he still made an impact which is great to see.

-AWIII-Didn’t do anything great and didn’t do anything bad. That’s all you can ask for from a guy who gets 4 meaningful minutes spelling some of KU’s guards.

Jack Wilson 1 year, 9 months ago

BMU .. nice post. The star of the game in my opinion was Releford on defense. It's hard to just not watch him on that end of the floor. And really, I liked Traylor's minutes last night. Very active. Looking to swat. Nice uptick for him.

Going forward, it will be interesting to see the KY/Ellis competiton. KY has to hit that 15 footer, Ellis has to get some of those tight shots to drop. I'm confident both will occur.

SDSurferFan 1 year, 9 months ago

-agree with Aloha..methodical. I would add surgical. And torturous for opposing teams/fans.
-rub some dirt on it? Very glad he'll be fine. -Ellis. True example of freshman turning into sophomores in Jan. -Ben. What a pleasure to watch. He easily is top freshman ever at KU (save Wilt?). Well...at least vs any of the new OADers. Not even a close 2nd. -KY. Great glue guy. But he's missing too many bunnies.
-EJ. Bounce to his step last night. Was more TT last night when he had to. IMO the most impt piece come March. -Ku v Wva. Coming to Lawrence to see grandma and go to game. RCJH! -SDSU v unlv. Will be at game Wed. Love my Aztecs but the difference in discipline and strategy with KU is staggering. Need to lower my expectations vs a Self coached team. - last bracket I saw had KU as 1 seed SDSU as 8. Would love a rd 2 match up. I guess I won't have to wait long as they will probably be playing next year anyway.

TexasRockChalk 1 year, 9 months ago

What about Danny Manning? He wasn't bad...

SDSurferFan 1 year, 9 months ago

Yes. I was probably referring more toward the Selby/Henrys of the world.

TexasRockChalk 1 year, 9 months ago

Just trying to keep you honest :) By the way, are you close to Del Mar?

Jack Wilson 1 year, 9 months ago

My first thoughts when McLemore turned his ankle ... AW3 and the tournament.

What if this would have happened on a Thursday before a Saturday game in March? And all of a sudden, we need to play an extra perimeter player. And he's sat the bench most of the entire 2nd half of the season.

Rust? Lack of experience? Nerves? All when we need it most. At the most important time of the season.

HawkKlaw 1 year, 9 months ago

I see what you're saying HEM, and I agree. When BMac went down, I immediately thought of AW3 and wondered if he could produce enough for KU to still be an elite team this season. It's a pretty big question mark. Ideally, KU would be winning every game by a margin large enough to warrant putting AW3 (and Rio) in for 10-15 minutes a game. But that just hasn't been the case this season.

Instead, AW3 gets 7 mpg, which is excellent for a Freshman at KU. That's about all Bill Self is going to spare when he's giving a player "learning minutes" in the regular season. And historically, that has always been enough to start developing the younger players at KU. I don't see Bill Self changing his philosophy, nor do I think he should. You play your best players. You play to win. If someone goes down due to injury, you just plug in another player and keep the train rolling. That's the beauty of coaching at a school like KU. AW3 (even with just 7mpg) is still a better SG than most are right out of the box.

And it's not like AW3 only gets mop-up minutes. I've seen him on the court at crucial parts of games while BMac or Travis gets a breather. He's getting enough minutes to gain experience, to not be rusty in the system and not be too nervous if his number is called. AW3 is a good player with the potential to be great. He'll be ready when the time comes.

Curtis Stutz 1 year, 9 months ago

My thoughts go more towards Tharpe and EJ and filling in. Yes AW3 would get more minutes, and I think he'd be fine as I'm sure he's learned more in practice than in games this year, but the big question is how elite would KU be with their best lineup on the court of NT/EJ/TRele/KYo/W or Ellis insteand of KYo whatever floats your boat. AW3 or 'Rio would need to come in for stretches, but would NT play like he had been or like he did against BU and would EJ step up as a stud scorer to fill in for BMac. All in all the team would still be really, really good, but obviously you're not the same team without BMac available. HCBS can afford to rest him against Texas if he wants though, in fact people are talking about how good it would be for AW3 to get minutes, but it'd be good for NT and EJ to be forced into different roles for a game also.

PVJayhawk 1 year, 9 months ago

Mac and other starters were still in with less than 3 min. to go and a 17 point lead:

  1. Risks season-busting injury to star player.

  2. Does not reward bench players for hard work and practice.

  3. Does not develop bench players in real game situation for when they are needed later.

  4. Why??

Ron Franklin 1 year, 9 months ago

Jab, Jab, Left Hook, Uppercut for the ScottyDrew TKO?

Tony Bandle 1 year, 9 months ago

  1. A star can get injured at any point of a game.
  2. Maybe no one deserved a reward.
  3. As games grow more critical, rotation shrinks.
  4. Because this is what HCBS has done, does and will do. Conclusion...I don't have a clue either!!

Tony Bandle 1 year, 9 months ago

PS He does strongly dislikes Scott Drew..strongly!!!!

REHawk 1 year, 9 months ago

With 3 min. to go I asked wife, Why the hell isn't Bill sticking Jamari, AW3 and Rio into these final minutes? She and I concur that the coaching staff was probably intent upon shoveling as much fiber as possible down dreadful drew's gullet. Assist him to clear out a bulging intestine.

KansasComet 1 year, 9 months ago

My thoughts are that we still have to go to Waco. If Coach Self doesn't empty his bench, then there is zero bulletin board material. I think we may have to play Baylor 3 times this year including the Big XII tournament. No need to rub it in...yet!

HawkKlaw 1 year, 9 months ago

Hindsight is 20/20. I'm okay with Bill Self doing whatever he needs to do to get the "W".

Jack Wilson 1 year, 9 months ago

I don't question Self either there .. leads can disappear quickly. Plus, holding Baylor under 50 just looks ugly. For Baylor, that is.

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

3 minutes is a approximately a three offensive possession game if no one were to foul to try to get the ball back.

3 x 3 = 9

Nine points could be made up with three treys in three possessions.

17 lead - 9 points form 3 successive treys = 8 points cushion.

Round 8 up one point for what it would take for an upset. It equals 9.

9/3 = 3 quick threes on three quick timeouts and three foul possessions with a missed FTs.

How many time outs did Drew have at the 3 minute mark?

Also, remember that in this calculation I have outlined, Baylor would not have taken the full 30 seconds to shoot their treys in the initial calculation, more like 15 seconds each, so there would have been about 15 seconds/possession x 3 possessions more than I estimated initially.

There was enough time for a miracle come back.

Never let up on a dangerous opponent.

And remember that Baylor had shot treys far below their average most of the game. There is no law that says Baylor will wait till the next game to start shooting back to their average.

I don't think Self was rubbing it in.

I think Self was taking zero chances.

Frankly, its paying a kind of respect to an opposing coach that Self thinks he has to take no chances.

This game was a huge game. Self said so before the game. The team that won that game was going to be in the driver's seat for the rest of the season barring unforeseen injuries, and so on. Also, it was at home. KU had to beat Baylor at home. There is a very real chance they could lose in Waco.

It all adds up to me.

You don't celebrate and reward a team against an opponent you are going to have to meet later down in Waco.

You maintain an even strain. You don't try to run up the score. You try to keep the pressure up so there is not chance of an upset.

Self is a gambler. He understands odds and risk. He gambles when there is something to win. Not when there is something to lose.

There was nothing to gain by subbing.

There was something to lose.

Therefore, you stand pat.

AsadZ 1 year, 9 months ago

Damn, I have lost two posts now due to server problems

Jack Wilson 1 year, 9 months ago

Right click, copy, then post .. saved my bacon a few times.

AsadZ 1 year, 9 months ago

Question for board

Final box score from last night was 61-44 (17 point delta)

If given a choice would you have preferred the final score to be 93-76 (still 17 point delta)

clevelandjayhawker 1 year, 9 months ago

I like defense, would have rather Self pulled the starters with 3-4 mins left and us won by 12 though.

RJ King 1 year, 9 months ago

In past years, if I knew beforehand KU would score only 60-some pts., I would've expected a loss. It seems a significant number of losses occurred when another team slowed us down to make it close at the end.

Now however, if I could see 60 pts of KU offense in a crystal ball, i'm somewhat confident we'll win, based on tenacious defense played by the last couple of BS teams.

Out here, SF Giants fans are used to great pitching and 1-0, 2-1 victories. We call it "torture" - in a good way.

Curtis Stutz 1 year, 9 months ago

Certainly the majority of Self's big wins at KU seem to be in 60-70 pt games ('08 title, most of last year's tourney wins, etc). Our unwillingness to speed up certain games like Bucknell and N. Iowa cost us, but in general low scoring from KU's opponents is a result of good defense. You could definitely argue that the Davidson EE game was cut too close because KU didn't speed it up enough. Last year fortunately when KU was up against an excellent offensive team in UNC the 'Hawks were able to put up some points (of course UNC wasn't a great defensive team). The scary part of winning a lot of big games in low scoring is what will happen when other team shoots it well in both halves? It was nice to see BMac light up ISU and KU pull out a win against a high scoring foe, it'd be nice to see it a few more times, possibly @OSU @ISU @BU @OU type games. TCU/TT/WVU/Texas probably not going to push KU to put up big numbers.

I guess I'll add that the great thing about seeing some of the low scoring games is it usually means KU didn't have a lot of bad turnovers that led to easy transition buckets.

RJ King 1 year, 9 months ago

Let's say the average shot is taken with 12 seconds left. This would translate into an extra possession in the game for every three (12+12=12 = new 35). If a team shoots quickly - at 24 seconds, it creates 2 extra shot clock possessions to the game for every 3.

When a team - like Iowa State - tries to use the entire clock, it affects the number of opportunities for Kansas to score.

I look at the margin of victory within the context of the game. 44 is 72% of 61. That score looks even better knowing it actually translates into a score of 93-67, should KU have scored that many. But then that assumes KU could defend as well in a transition game, which they probably could not.

texashawk10 1 year, 9 months ago

Offense sells tickets, defense wins championships. Teams can get hot or cold shooting and that's something I like seeing a team be dependent upon. Bill Self's defense is why KU is a Final Four threat each and every season and I don't want to see that change. The offense may not be quite as pretty as Roy's offense was, but Roy also had more teams where you didn't realistically think they were a Final Four threat either because of his lack of emphasis on defense.

Jack Wilson 1 year, 9 months ago

AsadZ .. absolutely not. I'll take 61-44. Defense is reliable night in, and night out.

AsadZ 1 year, 9 months ago

This was a classic Bill Self type of BB game IMO. Shut down other team and chances are very high to get W even when own shots are not falling. I am sure Self was a very happy camper after yesterday's performance even when our O did not look smooth.

HawkKlaw 1 year, 9 months ago

Whew, glad to hear BMac's okay. Last night he had what I'll call a "Brandon Rush Game" - he "quietly" lead both teams in scoring with 17 pts and somehow managed to nab 8 boards in the process.

Clearly KU's players got the memo from Bill Self about playing awful perimeter defense the past few games. Their defense effort last night was a true gem! And I agree with jaybate - that was a whale of a conference win.

I love the makeup of this team. It's an almost-perfect mix of talent and experience, defensive stoppers and offensive juggernauts, seven footers and sub-six footers, high-energy role players and high-scoring superstars. Bill Self has constructed a team that is, yet again, a favorite to go to the Final Four and win it all.

And this is why I don't do a whole lot of complaining when things go wrong for Bill Self. A history of losing early in the NCAA tournament? I don't hear anyone saying that anymore. Can't win the big one? Oh, he can. And he has. And he probably will again. Recruiting woes? Ancient history. We really do have the best coach in college basketball right here in Lawrence, KS.

REHawk 1 year, 9 months ago

This season, in particular, pits the record of Self and the way he recruits and coaches against Roy and Cal, the glorified lineups of their superstars who are struggling mightily to develop into team players. Those two coaches and power programs quite possibly will square off in postseason NIT play. Is a bit scary to consider that KU will lose 4 starting seniors and a superstar freshman before next year. But i am confident that Bill will soon have his squad on even keel, back on a winning course.

TexasRockChalk 1 year, 9 months ago

BigManU ~ Nice posts. I agree with you on the server. Usually I access this site via my mobile device. I think there's a ton of traffic because Jayhawks everywhere are interested in the "State of the (KU) Union" so to speak ;-) aka Ben Mc.

I hope Austin is JAM PACKED with the Crimson & the Blue. Hopefully, we'll get to teach the Burnt Orange faithful the famous Rock Chalk chant at game's end. We will be there cheering on HCBS & Company.

Chris Shaw 1 year, 9 months ago

Thanks TexasChalk! Eager to see this team build off tonight's defensive success.

Jonathan Allison 1 year, 9 months ago

This is off-topic but I found it amusing. A coworker and friend of mine who happens to be a big-time KSU homer posted on his facebook today celebrating the 7th anniversary of "59-55".

I thought that it was comical that he and his buddies were celebrating this anniversary because it means that they haven't beaten us at home since.

It's just unbelievable that Bill Self has only lost 7 games at home since he took over in 2003.

In the last 10 years only Richmond, Iowa State, Oral Roberts, Nevada, Kansas State, Texas A&M, and Texas have beaten Kansas in Allen Fieldhouse. I wonder what the other top programs' records are at home over the same span...

AsadZ 1 year, 9 months ago

If it was not for Lisa Robinson's tragic death the night before we would have won the game against TX and our 69 game win streak would not have been broken.

clevelandjayhawker 1 year, 9 months ago

I think I remember each of those games. Texas should have an asterik due to what happen the night before, a&m took a crazy 3 from the corner and the non-conference games were early in the year when we were still molding aginst teams that couldnt miss those nights. Man that is such a weird feeling when you leave the feildhouse after a loss, a feeling that eats at your stomach.

Ludwig Supraphonic 1 year, 9 months ago

On a somewhat related topic: Recently, ESPN raised their fees for their radio network affiliates and the two local Cumulus sports shows are with CBS. Today, their expert was Mateen Cleaves, who provided a smidgen of NCAA hoops amidst constant Pro Playoff blather. Asked about potential NC contenders, Mateen gave the expected praise to BIG coaching, teams and players. KU's McLemore was given one brief comment.

So local coverage has transitioned from ESPN which is dominated by Syracuse staffers; and an array of BIG and ACC formers and worshippers, to another set of BIG-Ex's. KU has an outstanding School of Journalism. Why are we so under-represented in the sports press?

RJ King 1 year, 9 months ago

Geography and networking. Bristol and Manhattan are a short hop from Syracuse.

KU's J-school is elite, but The Newhouse School - at least by reputation - is head and shoulders above all others. And most of the SU analysts, reporters, anchors, talent got their first gig via a referral or alum connection.

jaybate 1 year, 9 months ago

And the Newhouse School doesn't mean squat compared to coming from the second or third tier families of the private oligarchy matriculating the Ivy League schools. Look sometime at the origins of many, many in the elite parts of the mass media. They either trickle down from these classes, or are persons with backgrounds in intelligence, or both. :-)

Kevin Huffman 1 year, 9 months ago

Got a question. Anyone know how to find all the roster information from older teams.

Tony Bandle 1 year, 9 months ago

Hit wikipedia with Kansas Jayhawk basketball and list the year you want. Better yet, call Max...he got the notebook paper for Doc Naismith to write the rules on!!

Tony Bandle 1 year, 9 months ago

If there is even a chance that BenMac's ankle is not 100%, HCBS should take the following measures:

1] Provide 24/7 treatment on BenMac. 2] For the trip to Texas, leave BenMac's uniforms behind. 3] Better yet, for the Texas trip leave BenMac behind..no temptation to play him. 4] The Jayhawks without Ben McLemore, even on the road, should still be able to handle Texas without Mitch Kabongo. 5] Better to risk a one game loss in conference than a bunch of missed conference games by Ben due to aggravating his injury. 6] Next game would be at Kansas State, which would allow eight full days of recovery time. 7] If the ankle responds and is OK...well then ....NEVER MIND!! :)

PS Personally, I'll be surprised if he doesn't play!!

Kevin Huffman 1 year, 9 months ago

Just reflecting back....I think this particular fellow would've been better off sticking it out w/ Self instead of transferring:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3470/type/college/david-padgett

Lame number of rebounds for a 6'-11 guy!!!!

I remember the reason he gave for transferring is that he wanted to be a face-up shooter and not a back-to-the-basket post-man.

Funny how over the years Bill has gone on to accommodate more post players, at least those in the 6'-7 to 6'-10 range as opposed to 6'-11 to 7'-1, to allow them shoot jumpers.

Sam Constance 1 year, 9 months ago

A few observations from last night:

1) Easily the best part of the night was the fact that KU ran not one, but TWO pre-tipoff video board features. I'm sure there were several factors involved, but I couldn't help be amused at the fact that everyone knows Scott Drew is the coach who felt the need to remove his players from the court for the KU start-of-game video, and so he got not just the regular video, but also got a secondary mini-video about AFH and the home court advantage. Oh, you don't like pre-game videos Coach Drew, well here's TWO you slimy mofo. Hahahahaha. Priceless.

2) Speaking of the secondary video, they ran the dB level to see how loud we could get it inside the Fieldhouse and I think it peaked at about 115 decibels. There are two times when I get the most enjoyment out of being in AFH while the place is going bonkers: first, when it's before the tip of a HUGE game (like last night) and everyone in the place is intent on making life miserable for the visitors. Second, when a monumental shot goes in, like McLescore's shot against Iowa State. The former is pretty commonplace, but that doesn't make it boring. The latter is a fairly unique experience, given that it's not often a team has KU in that position at home.

3) Perry Ellis had a frustrating offensive night, and made some pretty dumb mistakes on offense, but MAN, what a difference in his play. I can forgive a lot of awkwardness on offense--especially from a freshman--if he is going to hustle and claw for things like he did last night. Even though his overall offensive night was lackluster, he made a couple of really smart moves that resulted in points. Both of them involved him putting the ball on the floor and beating his man off the dribble. There was also an outstanding rebound where he took to the airwaves over three Baylor players to rip down a rebound. I'm very pleased that Ellis had such a positive game against one of the better frontlines in college basketball. I think we might start to see him make exponential strides over the second half of the season. Now we just need to get him to stop with the rando three pointers. Maybe next year, but this year, our deep shooters should be (in order): Ben, Travis/Elijah, Naadir, Andrew.

(to be concluded...)

jbal32 1 year, 9 months ago

Speaking of making life miserable for opponents, the Baylor player that shot the flagrant foul free throws looked like he was about to piss himself. What a lonely place to be and yet he was surrounded by thousands of people.

Sam Constance 1 year, 9 months ago

Yeah, I'm going to chalk those misses up to a little phrase I like to yell (credit to Rasheed Wallace):

"BALL DON'T LIE"

That was one of the worst calls I've seen all year, and that includes the terrible Kevin Young missed goaltending call and the awful phantom "kicked ball" (both from the Temple game).

Not only was it not a flagrant, it wasn't a foul. I was pleased to no end that the guy missed both free throws, and then Baylor didn't score on the ensuing possession.

Sam Constance 1 year, 9 months ago

(...concluded)

4) Jamari had a pretty good game too, but he did the same types of things I feel like I've seen out of him all season long. Plays tough, if slightly out of control, and is active on the boards and on help defense in the post. I think he may have gotten credit for one of Jeff's blocks, because I swear I counted 4 blocks from Withey, not 3. I look for Jamari's biggest steps to come next season, after a full year of in-game experience. With a little luck, he could end up being a less offensively-able version of Darnell, but with the talent we have coming in, that's no guarantee.

5) Is it just me, or was this the first time Self had our guys really show a lot of double-teams in the post? It seemed like a new wrinkle, and I was very impressed at the accuracy of the timing. Whenever the help defender came over to double the ball, they did it right at that point that disrupts the offensive player out of making his move, but did it in a sneaky enough way that the ballhandler wasn't ready for the dump off to the open man as soon as help came over.

6) As of this morning, we are #4 in Ken Pomeroy's adjusted defensive efficiency, allowing 83.8 points per 100 possessions. For some historical perspective, only two KU teams in the past decade have been better: in 2007 (82.2) and 2008 (82.8). In any other year, the 2012-13 squad would be leading the country in defensive efficiency, but this seems to be a very good year for defense. The country's top defensive team (Louisville) is only allowing 79.9 points per 100 possessions, which is insane. If they can keep it up, that would be the new record since Pomeroy started keeping his stats (2003), surpassing the current low-mark, the 2007 Jayhawks (82.2)

7) Lastly, I'll start worrying about McLemore if we get into/close to postseason play and he's still having issues, but not a moment before. Until then, this injury could be a good opportunity to steel the resolve of some of Ben's most likely replacements in the short term. That being said, I was terrified last night as he was rolling around on the floor. My wife and I were afraid that it was a hamstring or groin, which would be even worse than an ankle sprain in terms of lingering and affecting Ben's supreme athleticism.

JayHawkFanToo 1 year, 9 months ago

The statistics are still favorably padded/skewed with pre-conference scheduling for the teams in the stronger conferences and the opposite for the teams in the weaker conferences. Now that conference play has started these stats will change.

Robert Murphy 1 year, 9 months ago

Five years of the best coaching available and Jeff Withey still has no idea how to play the low post offensively. Get the ball and go up with it don't wait for the defense to organize and stop dribbling the ball. Also, step up from the high post and make a free throw for an easy two. Jeff should be scoring more points.

Justin Kruse 1 year, 9 months ago

I wouldn't go as far as saying "no idea," but I totally agree w/ the dribbling. I'm not sure why he's always putting the ball on the floor? His defense is awesome, but I would love to see more offense!

Curtis Stutz 1 year, 9 months ago

They'll make it most likely, UNC maybe not.

HawkKlaw 1 year, 9 months ago

Me too. If he does, it means KU has the game in the bag by the end of the first half.

But I wouldn't play him 20 minutes in a tight game at the expense of playing Elijah, Naadir, Travis or Ben. If the game is tight, AW3 gets 7-8 minutes tops.

jbal32 1 year, 9 months ago

Way off topic here. Plus I feel like the great fans that post on this site are above bringing up Mizzou insults, especially since we don't play them anymore and won't for the foreseeable future. But this was way to good to pass up sharing with all of you. I think you guys will find this very humorous.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/11/sibling-incest-class_n_2457691.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

Curtis Stutz 1 year, 9 months ago

Pretty good stuff, I'd share it with UK fans to use to talk smack with Missouri but they might offer something similar? Maybe Vandy fans, if only they'd been able to win that close one they could really talk some trash with this article.

jbal32 1 year, 9 months ago

They should have won, that shot clock no call really screwed them.

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