Thursday, February 21, 2013

Notebook: Bill Self fired up during big win; Rio Adams ‘frustrated’

Kansas head coach Bill Self looks for a foul that wasn't called against Oklahoma State on a last second drive by KU guard Travis Releford which sent the game into double overtime on Wednesday, Feb. 20, 2013 at Gallagher-Iba Arena in Stillwater, Oklahoma.

Kansas head coach Bill Self looks for a foul that wasn't called against Oklahoma State on a last second drive by KU guard Travis Releford which sent the game into double overtime on Wednesday, Feb. 20, 2013 at Gallagher-Iba Arena in Stillwater, Oklahoma.


Box score


— Bill Self, who gave out a batch of handshakes and hugs and executed a fist pump or two after Kansas University’s double-overtime victory over Oklahoma State on Wednesday, admits he was more animated than usual on a snowy night at his alma mater.

“This is probably as excited as I’ve been coaching in a game in a while,” Self said after sophomore guard Naadir Tharpe’s shot in the lane gave the Jayhawks a 68-67 decision.

“I definitely was more animated with the officials tonight, but I’ll be honest, I look forward to watching tape. I think I could have been more (animated), to be honest.”

It was a game with huge implications in the league. The victory boosted KU’s league mark to 10-3, same as Kansas State. OSU fell to 9-4.

Free-throw excellence

Senior Jeff Withey calmly sank 11 of 14 free throws on a night every charity was needed.

“I was pretty proud. I was a good free-throw shooter last year and made them tonight. I got my groove back a bit. It was easy to knock them down,” Withey said.

Twitter talk

Rio Adams’ official Twitter account exploded with some negative posts about his situation at KU around 3 p.m. Wednesday.

Here are some of the tweets either posted by the freshman guard from Seattle or someone using his account.

• Yeah the situation I’m in is great and all but it’s obvious they want me to quit...

• All I was Tryna show this man is he had a guy that will take 50bullets for him but he’s blinded by his favorites...

• There’s no question that I would of been getting mad minutes anywhere else in America people its a #FACT..

• It’s 2 Late Now....

• Alot of Hype can get you far I see it every time someone makes it and gets far...

• I just wanna be happy and play ball

After an uproar from KU fans on Twitter, he posted: “It’s all good I gone through this before.”

• Haha this is funny I tweet and its direct towards my team and KU give me a break if I feel I need to say something about my team ill say it

• None of my tweets were ever directed toward KU but it seems everytime I tweet it so happens that’s who I’m talking bout thats not rite#AtAll

Adams, or somebody using his account, did remove several of the posts before Wednesday’s game.

Self spoke to the Journal-World about the tweets after Wednesday’s win at OSU.

“He is frustrated,” Self said of the player who has not played much this season. “He didn’t have a great shootaround today. I talked to him about it (tweets). I’m disappointed he’d say (tweet) anything negative. He will not be doing anything negative in the future or he won’t be around. I read them. They were not the best in the world; they were not the worst, either.”

NBA trades

Multiple outlets reported several trades involving Jayhawks in the NBA on Wednesday.

Marcus Morris reportedly was traded from Houston to Phoenix to join brother Markieff on the Suns. Cole Aldrich was traded from Houston to Sacramento. And Thomas Robinson was dealt from Sacramento to Houston.


KU’s traveling party was to drive to Oklahoma City after the game and fly to Lawrence. No de-icing equipment was available in Stillwater.

Nice digs

OSU’s Gallagher-Iba Arena, which used to seat 6,381, was remodeled in 2000 to seats 13,611. This season, the Cowboys averaged 9,082 through 14 dates heading into the KU game.

“Whoever designed that ... kudos because you did not compromise integrity of one of the most historic buildings to play in,” said Self, a former OSU point guard.

Conner on fire

Future KU guard Conner Frankamp of Wichita North, who set the Wichita City League career scoring record on Friday night against Bishop Carroll, has scored 29, 37, 48, 43, 31, 40 and 37 points in seven games played since his return from a concussion.

Frankamp’s jumper from the free throw line with 45 seconds left, gave him 2,233 points, two more than KU freshman Perry Ellis of Wichita Heights. He finished with 37 points in North’s 52-40 victory.

“It’s an honor, for sure, especially to do it in front of the fans at North,” Frankamp told the Wichita Eagle. “It’s been a goal of mine all year to get that record and help my team win as much as I can while trying to pursue that record. It was great to get it that night. There’s a lot of relief that came out of my body. I was worrying about it all day and trying to win the game. It was excitement and relief.”

Frankamp was taken out of the game to a standing ovation after setting the prestigious scoring record.

“I just told him how I was proud of him,” said North assistant coach Marty Frankamp, who is Conner’s dad. “I could tell he was relieved. He was double-clutching both his fists there. It was a good relief of pressure there.”

Frankamp took in stride his omission from the McDonald’s All-America game.

“It was pretty disappointing ... the fact I could have made it and to play with those guys,” Frankamp said. “I can also use it as motivation to get better and work harder than them (those who made it).”

“It’s kind of hard to think that they could pass up someone like him,” Wichita Carroll coach Lonnie Lollar told the Eagle. “Those guys (like Frankamp) don’t come around but every 20, 30, maybe 40 years.”


Ferd Magellan 6 years, 3 months ago

I know social media sites will never go away, but I'd love to live in a world without Twitter.

Matthew Coleman 6 years, 3 months ago

THis is CRAZY. We have four seniors and a one and done playing now. Who do you think will be the core of our team next year?!!! Rio, White, Traylor, and some of the new recruits will get ALL the minutes if he can hang in there.

Did Rio not listen to what Chalmers said about his serious thoughts of transferring? "It would have been the dumbest move of my life." he said as his number was being hoisted to the rafters in the most famous arena in College basketball.

Would Rio get serious minutes at OK State, K State, Missouri? Maybe. But They are not national championship contenders. They are not coached by one of the two or three best coaches in the business.

Rio's a good player, but at KU you've got to trust Self (because he has earned everyones trust) and wait your turn. With a little patience, it will come!

Michael Bratisax 6 years, 3 months ago

Agree 100% kDong. I was going to make the case using guns as an example but with the recent events, I think it would be unappropriate to try to make any comparisons between twitter and guns.

Your example is far better.

Michael Bratisax 6 years, 3 months ago

I don't have any problems with twitter but you need to be in the right state of mind before making any tweets. After reading the above comments, it seems clear that Rio made them while being frustrated. If he had let some time pass before making them, I'm sure he would have said something in a more positive way.

I've got the feeling that Rio will be somewhere else next year. In some ways, I understand his frustration. It must be hard watching EJ and Tharpe making so many unforced turnovers when he gets yanked immediately after making one.

We had a strong incoming freshman class this year but none have shown the intensity or ability to make plays in game time situations. Perry Ellis doesn't play like a McDonald's All-American, Andrew White looks as if he has lost all confidence in his shooting ability and Rio hasn't helped his case in any way.

I'm really hoping that next year's class will bring a solid point guard. EJ has been consistently playing below the expectations of a five-star recruit throughout his four years. He still has a little time but the move from the 2 to the PG has only magnified the flaws in his game. Tharpe simply is not talented enough to make a strong run in the NCAA. Phil Forte, who is not in the top 150 at rivals, seems to bring more to the game then Tharpe.

On the positive, despite letting a late lead evaporate, Kansas held its composure in front of a hostile crowd and won the game. Not a small feat.

TexasRockChalk 6 years, 3 months ago

What, and miss Kardashian's tweets? LOL! Never :)

Steve Zimmerman 6 years, 3 months ago

Dear Rio, lay off your twitter, enjoy this: That's what makes KU basketball enjoyable to watch. Learn from Naa.

Travis Osier 6 years, 3 months ago

I get the feeling we're going to have an extra scholarship open up next season to make 7 available. Too bad, I really like Rio.

diegohawk 6 years, 3 months ago


You are right to be pissed. Bill has his favorites. Always has been a favorites kind of coach. All fans on this board can attest to Brady / injured Tyrel over Selby. Can go down the list quite a ways were there is evidence of Bill playing his favorite over a more talented player. Normally I wouldn't care but as a fan its frustrating to not even give the bench guys a chance especially someone with some upside which Rio clearly has athletically.

We got a win tonight. Thanks in large part to the futility of OSU's shooting. Only bucket we get in both OT's is the last bucket of the game. Don't get me wrong but our team is horrid offensively. Not a person who can get to the bucket and finish consistently all year. EJ picked it up tonight but for the most part has been a no show on his senior campaign. Seems like a great personality to have on your team. Wouldn't trade him for anyone but I certainly would give Rio some of his minutes. This is not my first post on this topic nor will it be the last.

Rio, everyone's aware Bill plays favorites. Transfer if you don't like it. Light up the Twitter boards if you must. If it was me, I use it as motivation and take it out on Naa and EJ during practice. I then go see the head man in his office. I force Bill's hand if that is possible to do.





hawk_of_ages 6 years, 3 months ago

I could not agree more. Every year the armchair quarterbacks come out of the woodwork (even after wins) and declare that their own fantasy-league KU rotation would somehow make us better than we are -- and without fail, it's always the inexperienced bench players who they think should be taking minutes from the veterans so they can get experience for the future. No doubt people said the same about RussRob and Cole as freshmen -- they didn't get any playing time their first year, and yet somehow they blossomed anyway. Call me crazy, but maybe Self actually knows what he's doing?

Oscar_Unit 6 years, 3 months ago

Selby didn't play because he moseyed around the court as if he was too good to be there. Instead of tearing it up with all his talent he sat around looking like he was just killing time until the NBA. See how that worked out for him? I don't know if it's a lack of true talent, or his attitude, but he's hardly living up to his supposed potential. Contrast that against BMac, who's giving it his all every night and playing with passion and humility. He gets the playing time. If Rio's dumb or immature enough to take his (unsubstantiated) complaints public, there's a good chance his attitude shows through in practice. Why should Bill give big minutes to a guy like Rio? Bill was pretty plain that he didn't think Tharpe would ever amount to much, yet now Tharpe is one of his "favorites" that gets lots of playing time. What changed Bill's mind? I guarantee it was Tharpe's good attitude and determination. If Rio had more of that maybe he'd get minutes like Tharpe is. In short, he should stop being a baby and put in his time this year, so he can be a seasoned veteran and a STAR next year. Now he's only made it harder for himself.

Luke Kading 6 years, 3 months ago

I totally agree Trojan. Anybody who thinks that Selby was a better option at the end of the year than Brady Morningstar or Tyrel Reed is only looking at Selby's #1 ranking and potential. Bill Self knows what he's doing. Elijah and Tharpe didn't play much their freshman years either, and even though Elijah has been struggling mightily lately (although he played better at OSU) he is still the best option for this team to compete for a national championship. We just need to hope he eventually comes out of his slump.

Craig Carr 6 years, 3 months ago

Bye Rio, Nothing is going to be given to you in Lawrence. Too bad you do not recognize the opportunity you have in front of you. Good luck wherever you go, No chance you ever play as a Jayhawk with that attitude and you aren't deserving

bradh 6 years, 3 months ago

A lot of freshmen coming in thought they were God's gift to basketball and felt they were not getting the playing time they wanted. Some have gotten frustrated and left. Others have buckled down, worked hard and gotten better, which won them the playing time they coveted. He can look around the current team/starters and see the rewards of hard work and patience.

Pam Goad 6 years, 3 months ago

Absolutely right, bradh. Just look at Releford. He even redshirted a season for the good of the team - and look how well that has worked out for both him and the team. Seems like Tyshawn Taylor had a little Twitter problem, but he got over it and things turned out pretty well for him.

Kye Clark 6 years, 3 months ago

Didn't another Rio, Mario Chalmers, just say he was frustrated his freshman year and wanted to transfer? Didn't RussRob say the same thing?

Yeah, clearly this attitude is unique to Adams and he'll never play as a Jayhawk because of it.

Craig Carr 6 years, 3 months ago

Bye Rio, Nothing is going to be given to you in Lawrence. Too bad you do not recognize the opportunity you have in front of you. Good luck wherever you go, No chance you ever play as a Jayhawk with that attitude and you aren't deserving

Andy Tweedy 6 years, 3 months ago

Sonny Jergensen (or maybe it was Billy Kilmer) used to say "the fan favorite is always the backup quaterback!" I mean, really, why wouldn't he be. Everybody thinks he's the best because he's done so little to complain about. I think we're probably wise to trust a coach who forgets more about basketball before breakfast than most of us will ever know about basketball to pick and choose the best team to put on the floor.

diegohawk 6 years, 3 months ago

I didn't say Rio was the best. Just saying would love to at least see him get a chance. Good for team morale to give everyone some PT who could possibly deserve it. Good for player confidence to get more then a 30 second stint and get pulled the second you make your first mistake.

Bville Hawk 6 years, 3 months ago

Ignorant post. No one wants to win more than the head coach. He's going to play the guys who give him (in his opinion) the best chance to win. Now, if 2 guys are equal, he does seem to give preference to the player who has been in the program longer (and that is only fair, IMHO).

yates33333 6 years, 3 months ago

Doesn't Rio realize he turns the ball over too much? Doesn't he know that he looks lost on offense when he is on the floor? He may not be getting enough attention in practice, but he doesn't deserve much more playing time based on his on court performance thus far. Too bad, he was highly hyped.

ffletch 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio will be great if he sticks with it. He still needs to be molded. I do not think Coach self plays favorite players. I think he plays the players who best implement what he is trying to accomplish. The last time I remember seeing Rio in a game he got picked and gave up a dunk. Tharpe did not play much last year because of the same issue.

MinnesotaJay 6 years, 3 months ago

"Rio, everyone's aware Bill plays favorites." This is ridiculous. This is total b.s. What? The coach goes with the guys who like the same kind of music he likes? He favors them based on their politics? The way they dress? Their accent? What? Could it possibly be how hard they work in practice, their attitude as he perceives it, their productivity on the court, the extent to which they contribute to or detract from the teams chances of winning in both a given game and over the course of the season?

"I then go see the head man in his office. I force Bill's hand if that is possible to do."

You don't work your tail off and learn how to contribute, and you won't be budging the coach's hand one inch. You do, and you won't have to confront him.

diegohawk 6 years, 3 months ago

Minnesota Jay

Ever been successful at a job and not been give the recognition you feel you deserve whether it be title, pay, benefits. Ever approached your employer about the same and had a positive reaction when push comes to shove. Twitter was not Rio's forum. Practice and a 1 on 1 meeting may be that forum to get him an extended look.

Favorites does mean ones he is most comfortable with. I hold no malice towards Bill but would love to see him develop some depth on this years team when the talent margin is small. Last year was different as we had no one with talent on the bench. This year we do.

MinnesotaJay 6 years, 3 months ago

Yes, I've not only been in the position you describe, but I've also been on the other end of it, i.e., been responsible for managing the team-building effort (in a field totally unrelated to basketball). And, I think it should be a given that development of the talent is critical to the success of the team as well as the individual players. I doubt that there's ever anything wrong with eye to eye, heart to heart, one on ones. But, I think your use of the word 'favorites' is misleading to the point of incorrectness, as it suggests undue, undeserved recognition, or 'favoritism.' But, given your explanation of it, I can't say that I completely disagree with you.

Suzi Marshall 6 years, 3 months ago

Everywhere Bill Self has coached, he consistantly puts a winner on the court. Whatever his formula is (favorites), it produces victories and challenes for the N.C. every year. I sure hope he continues doing whatever he does. Rock Chalk!

jhox 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio needs to look no further than Tharpe to see what his future could be in a year if he just works hard and gets better. Like Tharpe last year (and to some extent this year) he's been a turnover specialist when he enters games. There are two sure ways a point guard can make a coach love him. Take care of the basketball and defend. He could be pretty good defensively but he won't get on the court if he doesn't value the importance of taking care of the basketball.

Self isn't totally without blame. A kid doesn't get better if he's not allowed to play through a few mistakes and get more comfortable on the floor. Perry is suffering from that as well.

Too bad Rio opened his mouth when he did. With Elijah's foul troubles he likely would have gotten some minutes last night.

diegohawk 6 years, 3 months ago


"Self isn't totally without blame. A kid doesn't get better if he's not allowed to play through a few mistakes and get more comfortable on the floor. Perry is suffering from that as well."

You summed up my frustration spill in 3 short sweet sentences. I'd hire you for my PR manager.

All I care to see is the best, deepest product on the court when March roles around. I'm not saying start Rio/AW3/Perry but give them a few minutes Rio 5/AW3 5/ Perry 10 to 15 and don't pull them every single time they make a mistake in favor of someone who is in the program longer but makes casual mistakes themselves.

Brianna Zaleski 6 years, 3 months ago

Unfortunately when you score at the rate this team scores, and efficient possessions are at a premium, silly turnovers (or wasted possessions) cannot happen. This is usually why fresh ride the pine for Self: too many wasted possessions.

Jim Baker 6 years, 3 months ago

Yep! I saw it; a double BOO! He shouldn't have much to boo about as his team got the vast majority of the calls.

Gene Jackson 6 years, 3 months ago

Saw it. He must have not been able to think of anything else to say. Yes, funny.

nuleafjhawk 6 years, 3 months ago

OH. How embarrassing. I thought he was talking to his wife. MOO, MOO

kellerman411 6 years, 3 months ago

I was drinking coffee when I read this and stained my shirt.

Joe Baker 6 years, 3 months ago

He looked like a little teenage boy on the sideline. He is a classy coach.

Joe Baker 6 years, 3 months ago

I did. He looked like a little teenage boy on the sideline. He is a classy coach.

Joe Baker 6 years, 3 months ago

He looked like a little teenage boy on the sideline. He is a classy coach.

Kent Wells 6 years, 3 months ago

Dude, really? You beat me by a minute!

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 3 months ago

Is there a twitter translator? I don't speak gibberish!

hawk_of_ages 6 years, 3 months ago

In fairness, no one on Twitter uses proper grammar. The space parameters don't allow it.

Kent Wells 6 years, 3 months ago

Let me help:

Original post: All I was Tryna show this man is he had a guy that will take 50bullets for him but he’s blinded by his favorites...

At the time: Help me, I am having a seizure. Someone please call for medical assistance...

After running AFH stairs all day today: Help me. I am having a heart attack. This crazy coach has made me run 50 gassers today while his favorites celebrated a huge win at OSU last night.

KULA 6 years, 3 months ago

Don't get too excited about that. Remember, Perry Ellis tore up the Wichita leagues, and he hasn't adjusted to college ball yet. I get the feeling that high school league doesn't challenge good players very much. Kinda like when Royce averaged 30 in his Arizona high school league.

kranny 6 years, 3 months ago

Agree w trojan. Frankamp will be a good one. Highest average scorer at the U17-averaged more than Jabari Parker. Watching him on the web he was able to break people down better than people think because he shoots so well. He's pretty smooth and heady. He'll definitely need to be guarded. Much better player than Teahan and Reed who scout had as a 4 star, rivals a 3 star. Defense will be the key for Frankamp.

diegohawk 6 years, 3 months ago

Why do you think Royce transferred? Solid player. Didn't see the court. We had some big time talent in front of him though. Not the case with this years squad. Giving a kid a few more minutes a game to test himself in a game situation won't cost most games. Not having depth at a crucial position however could come back to bite us in March. Big win tonight Hawks. I don't mean to attack EJ or Naa but I do ask we be realistic about what we have at the position this year. No reason not to give Rio 5-10 min/game.

championhawks 6 years, 3 months ago

Earlier in the year it wouldn't have cost us games, but they have been playing close games since the beginning of January (minus the K-State and Texas games last week).

I would love to see Rio on the floor more too, however, he hasn't done anything all year to show he deserves to be on the floor in games.

Mel Clare 6 years, 3 months ago

The difference is that Ellis played against bigs who in most cases did not have his height or talent. he is ajusting to the bulk of the Big XII, Francamp has been small his whole life and knows how to make his shots and move to screens.

On the Rio thing, he is a freshman who has always been told he was good, all I will say. He needs to understand that he WILL be a part of the future of the team. Him and AW3 will play major minutes next year as we lose TR, EJ and BMac, guards and years team will need to be 9 or 10 deep because of the youth!

jhox 6 years, 3 months ago

Conner will be able to score next year. The bigger question is will he be able to defend at the high D1 level. If he can he'll be a big asset next year.

Boouk 6 years, 3 months ago

If he guards decently and can run the offense I think he'll start next season. Naadir's shooting is too inconsistent and his shot selection has been horrible.

Chase Topliff 6 years, 3 months ago

Frankhamp and Ellis aren't comparable. It is tough for a slender, freshman forward to come into the Big 12 and make an impact unless they are extremely talented. Ellis will need to put on some weight before he can perform in the high low offense.

Frankhamp will see some minutes next year based on the fact that he is an elite 3 point shooter.

HawkitToEm 6 years, 3 months ago

i grew up watching KU bball, and i can only imagine what the likes of rex walters or kenny gregory or lester earle would have been capable of saying on twitter or facebook. tyshawn had his own socia media missteps. self asks a whole lot of his players. many guys that young can't stand up to self's demands (e.g. elijah's struggles this year). of course we want the talent of adams, but if he isn't buying into the the program, KU and Rio would both be happier with a transfer.

kranny 6 years, 3 months ago

I remember that Walters had issues at Northwestern which is why he came to Kansas. I don't remember hearing about issues in Larrytown.

Lance Hobson 6 years, 3 months ago

Seriously, Rex had nothing but love from KU the moment he stepped on campus. I used to talk to him a few times, I never saw or heard of any issues ever.

Michael Bratisax 6 years, 3 months ago

The great Ricky Ross! He proved that it wasn't Ted Owens fault or coaching style. His play never lived up to his hype wherever he went. I think he went back and played at Wichita State...don't really care.

Steve Zimmerman 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio will still be a bench warmer comes next season. My man Wayne will teach him how to shut up and just play ball. If you can't even take care of an unguarded ball - yes, reality does bite, you just have to suck it up. But don't give up. Failure is your way to success. Stay hungry, my friend - wherever you end up playing.

Michael Bratisax 6 years, 3 months ago

I also think Wayne will be one of those rare impact players but his role and Rio's aren't the same. Wayne will hopefully help fill the role that MacLemore and Travis will leave. Rio will mostly backup Tharpe at that point.

I'm really hope that Frankamp will be the starting PG by the time conference play starts and that White will have his confidence back. We could possibly have one of the best backcourts in the country if everything works out.

Unless Rio gets his head straight and spends more of his free time developing his game than tweeting on Twitter, he might not have much of a future at Kansas.

jbal32 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio, Stick it out! You will most likely be a 1st round pick when the time comes. Patience is a virtue my friend.

texashawk10 6 years, 3 months ago

I'm not going to say you can't find examples of players ranked as low as Adams being 1st round picks because I'm sure there are quite a few out there, but the odds of Rio Adams turning into a 1st round pick are very low.

Jim Baker 6 years, 3 months ago

...“I definitely was more animated with the officials tonight, but I’ll be honest, I look forward to watching tape. I think I could have been more (animated), to be honest.”...

I smell a fine coming. Whether blatant or implied, any negative commentary about the officiating will be punished. But I couldn't agree with you more, Bill! The officials sucked bad in this one!!

Brad Farha 6 years, 3 months ago

I wouldn't give the officials too much of a hard time. There were blown calls, but that's going to happen in any game. I thought we got the benefit of a few of those blown calls, just like the Cowboys got the benefit of a few of them.

John Boyle 6 years, 3 months ago

Any time you have Higgins doing the game, the officials will suck.

WETSUhawk 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio, you made a wise decision when you chose KU. Universities are areas of learning, growing,and maturing. Most of your fans here will support whatever choice you make. If you think your future will be better by leaving, then do so with our blessings. You are not the first to have had these problems here; some chose to leave and others to stay. My biased belief is that those that left regret it now, and those that stuck it out, are glad they did.

Try contacting former players from both decisions and seek their advise. You have a future here, just as those seniors who have earned the confidence of the coach. As stated in previous post, you can be all you can be in Bill's army if you apply what the coaching staff is asking of you. They'll need this entire team to be battle ready, and one injury can have you playing major minutes on a team with final four aspirations.

Relax and enjoy being at one of the elite programs and good things will come.

Luca Rossi 6 years, 3 months ago

When Super Mario had his jersey retired, during his speech he said his freshmen year was rough. His situation sounded very similar to Rio's now. He thought about transfering but was convinced not to by some of his peers. He said it was one of the best decisions of his life. Now his jersey hangs in the rafters.

I hope Rio realizes the great opportunity he has here. You're not the first one to be in these shoes, talk to some of the alums. The evidence is there that if you work hard and overcome the rough times you could become major talent on one of the nations best college basketball teams.

Jeremy Caudle 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio. Enjoy the rest of the season. Enjoy Lawrence this summer. Work hard. It's clear that you are at least our bacup point next year as of right now. I dont see Mason or Frankamp ahead of you. Work hard. And you will see that success you want. We can all see your potential even if it's only in flashes. Stay. Learn the offense. Own the offense. Coach is testing your testical fortitude right now. Accept the challenge my man. You wont regret it later in life I promise you.

Ashwin Rao 6 years, 3 months ago

How come Kentucky doesn't have a problem like this? They have a 2 5-star players deep roster!

brooksmd 6 years, 3 months ago

Yep Kentucky doesn't have a problem with their 2 5-star deep roster. You do realize they aren't even ranked and may end up playing UNC in the NIT? Did you hear Cali-sleazy last week after Tennessee dismantled them by 30 points? He said one of the problems with his team is he has some players that aren't coach-able. Every team has problems. Great coaches work them out.

Remember the Morris twins their freshman year? Both were foul magnets that couldn't shoot. Many people had little hope of Withey ever being a force on this team his first 2 years. Same with TRob. He had early issues. Guess what Rio? Three of these guys are in the league and Withey will join them real soon. Stick it out son, continue working hard in practice and your time will come. One other thing. If you don't have anything good to say on Twitter about Kansas, keep it to yourself.

Oscar_Unit 6 years, 3 months ago

Because when overinflated egos show up to Kentucky the coach treats them like NBA stars and lets them do whatever they want. That works as long as he has legit NBA talent on his roster. It's obviously not working this year at all.

Bill, on the other hand, wants his boys to play and act like men. If they can do that, they can play. If they act like children, as Rio is, they don't play. Potential doesn't win game/championships - all Rio has right now is potential and a bad attitude.

Luca Rossi 6 years, 3 months ago

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Kye Clark 6 years, 3 months ago

I'd say the same thing about you on these boards. Beat it freak show

Luca Rossi 6 years, 3 months ago

OMG, I said almost the same thing you did and they deleted my comment. I substituted "You" for "Rio" in his original response and it was deleted.

Jaminrawk 6 years, 3 months ago

It's funny because Rio is just going through the same thing Russell, Tyshawn and Elijah all went through sitting on the bench. I wonder if he realizes that Sherron Collins, Cole Aldrich and Darrell Arthur were all bench players at points on the National Championship team. Or that Thomas Robinson only started one year in his KU career.

You earn playing time at KU. Last time Rio came in a game he promptly turned the ball over. Very much like Tharpe last year. Dude needs to calm down and just work hard. He'll get his turn.

Michael Pannacciulli 6 years, 3 months ago

The free flow, stream of consciousness, almost drunk sounding tweets are absolutely dumbfounding. How do you mend those broken bridges now with your coaches, teammates and the fans? I do NOT expect he returns, nor do I really care at this moment if he transfers. To get what you are looking for. Amazing how it's never the guy making the childish tweets taking the time to look in the mirror.

ancient_hawk 6 years, 3 months ago

It's not just that he dribbled the ball (unpressured) off his foot. It's that he then stood there while his defender scooped up the ball for a run-out dunk. That's unforgivable at any level, and gets you a comfy seat.

Kevin Huffman 6 years, 3 months ago

Wasn't his foot.....was a kicked ball be DeMarcus Holland that wasn't called. Go back and watch the replay. Then he gets yelled at for what should've been a ball out of bounds.

John Boyle 6 years, 3 months ago

It wasn't a kicked ball. He dribbled it off Holland's foot but it isn't a kicked ball by rule unless the defense intentionally kicks their foot or leg out at the ball. Per the official rules: The rules classify intentional kicking of the ball as a violation resulting in a dead ball and a stoppage in play. Conversely, a ball that accidentally strikes a player's foot is not a violation and does not result in a stoppage in play unless the ball goes out of bounds.

Chris1955 6 years, 3 months ago

JayhawkJohn, I apologize. I accidently hit suggest removal.

Joseph Bullock 6 years, 3 months ago

there was no kicked ball violation-Period. And the point is that he makes turnovers on a regular basis, and he also misses his defensive assignments quite often. He needs to come off his high horse, and be a good team mate, and pay attention to detail. And also, ancient_hawk is correct, in having a problem with, after Rio lost the ball, he didn't even really try to stop the guy who stole it. That is pathetic! PS: Does anyone know what his assist to turnover ratio is?

Chris1955 6 years, 3 months ago

Actually, he dribbled the ball off the defender's foot. If you watch the replay, you'll see it.

jayhawkinATL 6 years, 3 months ago

If it is indeed Rio, then get the hell on. You've already shown you can't handle in ball in crunch-time any better than what we already have.

Robert Brock 6 years, 3 months ago

KU has about a 2 percent chance of landing Wiggins.

notaubermime 6 years, 3 months ago

I get where Rio is coming from. It is hard not to be frustrated when things that used to come easily suddenly become tough to do. When that happens, not every young adult is going to have the poise to not run their mouth. I certainly ran my mouth when I was at that age and in that situation.

But the older and more patient me would caution Adams against thinking thoughts of "I could get more playing time somewhere else". It isn't that such thoughts aren't true (they are), but that thinking that way is giving up. He came here to play with the best in college basketball. Self gave him a scholarship because Self thinks Adams is capable of playing at that level. You never get better as a player (or as a person) if you just stop when things get hard. You have to persevere.

Luca Rossi 6 years, 3 months ago

I don't support all of the negative postings towards Rio. IF the tweets are from him, then its unfortunate but understandable. Part of being a competitor is that constant burning desire to compete and be out on the court. It is not easy to be on the side watching. Its natural to be frustrated. The players who end up becoming great are the ones who can use that burning desire to be the best to overcome the early struggles and learn from those who have been in your shoes before.

I don't think Rio is the quitting type. The frustration was probably at a high point and he made a mistake. Most people are forgiving enough and a few positive tweets to show that you're heart is here to stay would do a lot of good.

I think the guy is an amazing talent, great kid, and will be a star here if he keeps working hard. He's come so far to even be here at one of the nation's top programs and the lineup for next year is wide open. Much more open than many of the guys who were in his situation before. The opportunity is there, don't wait for it to be given to you, earn it.

jhawkchuck 6 years, 3 months ago

Has anyone else noticed KU has problems with all b-ball recruits from Seattle? Micah, CJ, and now Rio. I lived up in that foggy,drizzly, depressing hole for 6 years and I will tell you it effects your psyche. My advice is quit recruiting from there.

Jonathan Allison 6 years, 3 months ago

Aaron Miles and Mike Lee? Weren't they from Seattle? They were pretty good. Rio will stick it out have a great KU career and then we'll be back to 0.500 with Seattle recruits.

Kevin Huffman 6 years, 3 months ago

No...they were from ~ Portland, OR area.

We were happy with them and I have a feeling that we're going to be happy with Landen Lucas.

Jonathan Allison 6 years, 3 months ago

thanks, I guess I just lump all of the upper northwest guys in one bucket.

jayhawkinATL 6 years, 3 months ago

It's not rocket science, Rio...quality minutes NOW = more minutes down the stretch. Handle your business AND the ball and everything will take care of itself.

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio, you can go get "mad minutes" at Washington State like Royce Woolridge. How's that working out for him?

HAWKTOPIA 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio is watching the same game we are! Our gaurd play sucks! They stop dribbling at exactly the wrong time, rotate to nuetral spots that obscure others, charge towards the basket when there are huge lanes 5 feet from it, and can't seem to hit or find easy shots. There seems to be no pointguard and no shooting guard playing our games! I can understand Rio is upset. Anyone would feel that way. But i would tell him, "if you dont want others to control your business, take care of your business."

There is nothing that would stand in the way of a point or shooting guard coming to the rescue. SO DO IT !!! Bill has to protect his starters from complete melt down, they are all he has !!!!

gchawk 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio, did you listen to Mario Chalmers speech at the Texas game? I'm not asking if you heard it, I'm asking if you listened to it. He gave a special thanks to Jeff Hawkins for talking him into staying his freshman year instead of leaving. Mario's frustration level was exactly where yours is, so you're not the first, and certainly won't be the last, player who has felt frustrated. A little more maturity could go a long way, I'd recommend staying around and getting that maturity.

Ben Kane 6 years, 3 months ago


you are going through the rite of passage of kansas guards. this is where you are tested, are you a quitter or are you a man who accepts a challenge and overcomes? If it's the former good luck to you, if it's the latter jayhawk nation will be behind you and you will be amazed at your success. .


Jonathan Allison 6 years, 3 months ago

I've got a feeling that Rio will stick it out.

Tyshawn went through this. Elijah went through it. Robinson and Chalmers went though it. This type of thing is nothing new.

Rio, you'll be a better man and a better player by just toughing it out. Keep your head up, and take it to the starters everyday in practice. If you've got something to say about the team, say it to the team. You're much better off keeping it in the locker room than putting it in the public forum.

REHawk 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio, if those twitter comments are actually yours, then your coach is in the right to declare that anymore negatives and your saddle will be sent packing. I have clamored all year for more minutes, both for you and Andrew. At this stage, if you are not proving your value on the practice court, coupled with not making the best of very limited game minutes, then you are going to have to control your emotions in the social media or take a hike. Draining anxieties with a roommate or trusted friend is one thing; but dropping your drawers for the world's inspection is dumb, dumb, dumb. I think you have the body and potential talent to become a major piece in the puzzle of winning Jayhawk hoops, if you are determined to accept instruction and continue to improve. You now appear to have boxed yourself into a corner. Public whining must stop, pronto.

Kevin Huffman 6 years, 3 months ago

Agreed....stick it out and you could be the primary backup PG next year....maybe earn a split your Jr. year and mabye be a starting PG or SG your SR. year. Who knows...maybe you'd be looking at 12 conf. championships in a row, a Final Four or even Championship. Don't get down just because you're struggling both to get mins. and then do anything in those mins. at THIS time. Seems to happen to most of KU's G's.

RockChalkJT18 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio -

I hope you stick it out cause you will be a great player in the future. A couple words of advice: go watch the tape from last year of every game Naadir got some PT. Here's a quick synopsis:

Sub in; TO; yanked

Next game: sub in; TO; yanked

Look what Naadir is doing this year. Coach is tough on you to make you better - and you haven't handled tough pressure yet. Work hard this summer and you can make an impact next year.

I hope you stick around, but get your head right first.

Boouk 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio transferring would be addition by subtraction. He still hasn't made a shot beyond 15 feet this season in a game, and I have no idea why he thinks he deserves PT when he commits a horrible turnover right once he enters the game.

Boouk 6 years, 3 months ago

I seriously can't recall him making any jumper other than a free-throw.

Jack Wilson 6 years, 3 months ago

Adams is a drama queen. He's said stuff similar to this before and has made sporadic references to the same topic. Not being happy. Having to think about things. Blah, blah, blah. I'd posted about it last week. Self's quote about being quiet or not being around for too much longer is the perfect response.

I really don't know what the kid was thinking coming in. Did he really think he was going to be a rotation guy? If Self wasn't guaranteeing Trevor Lacey playing time (as Lacey had mentioned), he wasn't going to guarantee this kid anything. My guess is that he felt Tharpe was easy pickings to snag the backup point role. Heck, we were speculating on that that. Now, Tharpe is ahead of him. Tharpe has 2 more seasons here. And we have Selden, Green and Frankamp coming in next season, with White .. all competing for time at the 1, 2 and 3 spots.

My unsolicited advice to Adams. Be a man. Shut your mouth. Compete. KU will go forward with or without you. It's your choice. If you want to be here, great. We're with you 100%. If you can't learn from those who were in your position before you, no one can help you. If you're not invested 100%, fine. Leave.

My unsolicited advice to coach Self .. if he runs his mouth one more time, suspend him for the rest of the season. But that sounds like the plan anyway. So more like a vote in support.

This guy is an obvious transfer. It's no surprise. We discussed here the Tharpe vs. Adams scenario heading into the season, given the recruiting class. This stuff plays itself out.

Kye Clark 6 years, 3 months ago

Suspending him for the rest of the season seems a little harsh. As Bill said, he's seen the tweets and they aren't the worst. My guess is he's referencing some of Tyshawn's material here. Tyshawn wasn't suspended for the rest of the year.

The difference is as some have posted above (and Rio mentioned), Tyshawn was always one of Bill's favorite guys. And this was before any of the upperclassman loyalty really set in. If you ever heard him talk about how "cool Ty is, if I was in school now, I'd want to hang around Ty" you'd know exactly what I'm talking about.

And that's not a bash against Tyshawn. Just that some guys, some for obvious reasons and some for not so obvious reasons, are given enough rope to hang themselves 10 times over, and some guys are given auditions on the floor one possession at a time. Make a mistake during that possession, and you're in the dog house for the next month.

I also think your "if you're not invested 100%, fine, Leave." is a harsh position given what we know about a LOT of players over the years that weren't 100% invested at some point in the careers. Chalmers, RussRob, Darnell Jackson, etc.

The other thing you mention in your post is playing time. Sure it's easy for us older guys (and by older, I just mean not fresh-faced straight out of high school) to assess the situation year in and year out and say "well he'll be a freshman and won't be able to beat out such and such, so he'll have to come off the bench." It's probably not so easy for these high school superstars to realize this. Wasn't Adams POY in the state of Washington last year? And we just learned what one of Self's sales pitches is to recruits when he was talking about Withey. Self said he used to tell bigs he was recruiting "you're probably in a good position for playing time because the only center you'd have to beat out is Withey" (paraphrased, didn't feel like digging through the articles to get the quote verbatim). Given the short leash Tharpe was on last year, it's very conceivable to me that Self pitched Adams the same way, that he was probably looking good for significant chunks of PT because he'd only have to beat out Tharpe to be in the rotation. What hot shot high school PG would have looked at Naadir last year and thought he couldn't beat him out? Not a guarantee on Self's part, but I can see how this could be a colossal let-down for the young man.

I guess my position is, I'm cutting the young man some slack. I don't disagree that he's a candidate to transfer. I hope he doesn't, but it looks like it's heading that way.

Kent Wells 6 years, 3 months ago

The only reason Tyshawn wasn't suspended for the season was that no one could decode his posts.

JayHawkFanToo 6 years, 3 months ago

I seem to recall that the more questionable Tyshawn posts were related to his feud with football players and not directed towards the team or coach.

Boouk 6 years, 3 months ago

We aren't Texas Tech. Adams is replaceable. If he quits the idiotic tweets and drastically improves his attitude, decision making and shooting by next season he'll be a great player. If he doesn't, he has no future at KU and Frankamp and Mason will provide significant upgrades.

Kye Clark 6 years, 3 months ago

Boouk - of course we're not Texas Tech and Adams is replaceable. Now. Again - Mario Chalmers, Russell Robinson, Darnell Jackson. All players that considered transferring. Brandon Rush wanted to fight Self at one point. You think that would be a greater offense worthy of kicking someone off the team. And you think those guys were valuable pieces to the '08 championship?

My point is, keep this in perspective. It's foolish to give up on a guy with obvious skills because of some nonsense his freshman year. You don't know how good he might be in a year or two. Self thought enough to bring him in and give him a scholarship, so for the "trust Self" crowd, trust that he is worthy of being on the roster. It's frustrating to see so many KU fans on here rudely saying "bye, see ya later, etc" because of understandable frustration. Is he channeling this frustration poorly? No doubt. But by no accounts is he affecting team chemistry or being a cancer in the locker room. So until Self makes the decision that he won't be here anymore, people respect the fact that he is still wearing a KU jersey. Doesn't mean you condone his "idiotic tweets". Just again...perspective.

As for Frankamp & Mason being significant upgrades - we know that for sure? How many thought Perry was going to be better than he has been? I sure did. And at least one of those guys (and possibly both) is going to be in the same situation as Adams is this year in regards to playing time. Anyone have a crystal ball telling us how those guys are going to react to that situation?

Boouk 6 years, 3 months ago

Icthawk, like I said above, they're only significant upgrades if Adams doesn't improve his attitude, shooting, ball handling and decision making in the offseason. Again, he can be a great player and he has a ton of upside, but all the extremely disrespectful tweets and the terrible turnovers don't help me think that's going to happen. I think he's much more likely to transfer than become the good player he can be at KU.

Kye Clark 6 years, 3 months ago

Well again, as I said above, how do we know? Do we know Frankamp and/or Mason are going to be better shooters (OK Frankamp probably, but then again when has Adams ever had any decent sample size at this level to gauge his shooting ability?), ball handlers, and decision makers? I'm sure Adams was pretty good in high school as well (POY in the state of Washington remember). We don't know how well Frankamp and/or Mason are going to perform year 1 at the college level. So they may not be significant upgrades regardless as to whether Adams makes any improvements. Again...unless someone has that crystal ball handy.

Joe Joseph 6 years, 3 months ago

Not sure why anyone (including rio) thinks he deserves more PT than he's already getting. He's a turnover factory and is an over rated defender. He fouls too often (and at horrible times) and gets burned for constantly over playing his man.

Everyone remembers his defense in the exhibition games when KU was playing division 2 teams. Rio has not shown he can effectively guard D1 talent. Lets face it. He's had his opportunities and he has simply not made the best of them.

I hope he stays. The list of guards who stuck around and turned out to be "pretty good" is well published. But now is not his time.

ollerfarm 6 years, 3 months ago

Five seconds into a game, dribble off your own foot, watch the player take the ball and race the ball for a score and you are astounded and can't move and then you want to play more. Point guard make the other 4 better by sharing the ball to them and NOT turning it over. There is room for a point like that, you might be that guy but it's up to you. If you play 1 or 3 minutes and do the above then you'll be playing 3 or 5 minutes, it's when Self can TRUST you to play like you are should that your minutes will come.

tis4tim 6 years, 3 months ago

It's troubling these days when private matters are dealt with in a public forum. If Rio is unhappy with his court time, he should be beating down Coach Self's door routinely to find out exactly what he needs to do to get better and then start exhibiting some improvement during practice. Only then will he start to see more run during actual games.

Every season we hear post-game comments from KU opponents talking about how difficult it is to replicate the speed and athleticism of our squad during their practices. That means guys like Rio have every opportunity to excel because our practice team is quite possibly more talented than many of the starters on opposing squads. That leaves little in the way of excuses and it means Rio has just not shown enough yet to justify more time on the court.

Ultimately, I'd love to see Rio stay and develop, but he has to know that going public with all this junk is a losing proposition as it's not Bill Self who is expendable. If Rio wants to stay he should stay. If he wants to go he should go. Either way, he needs to take an active role if he wants to improve his situation, not spout off in a court of public opinion. Ironically, it's probably this serial passive-aggressive tendency that has kept him on the bench in the first place.

The measure of a man is not how he handles success, but how he handles adversity. So, Rio, the next move is yours.

jacqueshock 6 years, 3 months ago

The thing about many of these tweets, if they were by Adams, is they are usually written in a personal journal or spoken to a confidant. That is their place. If you heard Mario Chalmer's speech at the jersey retirement, he said many similar things when he was a freshman. Thank goodness Twitter wasn't around then or else he just might have transferred. That's why there are older teammates to put a hand on your shoulder, listen, and give advice. Twitter is just crazy and I have not given into it.

HawkKlaw 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio: See the forest, not the trees, young man.

Look at where Naadir Tharpe was last year: He barely played at all behind Tyshawn and Elijah. He turned the ball over all the time. Almost every time he got yanked, Self was red-faced and frustrated with him.

Contrast that with this year: Naadir is getting a ton of minutes and is contributing big time. He bided his time and has officially "arrived."

Next year, Naadir will be the starter and you, Rio, will be the backup PG. Just make it through one more summer and your time will come! Think of it this way: It's one year of mop-up minutes in exchange for three years of ample opportunity to contribute big time to one of the best schools in the country. Stick with it, Rio!

Casey Gee 6 years, 3 months ago

From what I've seen of Rio, I have been really excited about his future here. But the things he said show he is another freshman out of touch with reality. Bill Self playing favorites? Does he mean seniors? Do you see AWIII on twitter complaining that Bill Self keeps playing his favorite McLemore instead of him, no because on most nights McLemore is the best option and White is smart/ humble enough to understand that. I hope Adams decides to stick it out because he has much more playing time in coming years, but if he keeps bringing this negative attitude it would probably be better for him to leave.

HawkKlaw 6 years, 3 months ago

Honestly, the twitter thing isn't that big of a deal. Remember when Tyshawn blasted Bill Self/KU on his facebook? Ty ended up being one of the best PG's Bill Self ever brought to KU. Rio will be fine once he gets his head right.

NebraskaJayhawk 6 years, 3 months ago

Twitter and Facebook are so stupid. I honestly think it should be a prerequisite that if you are going to play basketball at Kansas, you agree to not access these accounts until your playing career is done. Is this going to happen? No....

It's unfortunate though because people say things they regret. And unfortunately, these guys are making these statements to the world where before Twitter and Facebook existed, it would have remained within the team or at least on campus. When you Twitter something to the extent that Adams has, it's almost impossible to reverse the situation.

The only way it's possible for Adams to remain a Jayhawk next year is if he is able to humble himself....get rid of his pride...apologize to Self, the team, and the fans...and work his tail off. The dude is going to be a great player wherever he plays ball whether it's this season, next season, or two years from now. I for one hope he remains at Kansas. I think he could be special.

Releford, if you are reading this...teach this young man something. He could learn so much from your experience.

WETSUhawk 6 years, 3 months ago

I gave you a thumbs up, however Rio does not need to apologize to the fans. These players need to keep team and coach as advisers, and not worry about what media and board rats state (negative comments). Negative comments that are constructive are good reads, but the nasty comments made are no different than the frustrations this young man is feeling.

NebraskaJayhawk 6 years, 3 months ago

You might be right about not needing to apologize to the fans. However, since Twitter obviously fires up a lot of fans when these kinds of things are said, if it were me I would want to make things right with everyone.

Jeff Coffman 6 years, 3 months ago

I just became OSU's biggest fan...hope they beat the kitty cats at the end of the year.

jackoman 6 years, 3 months ago

RIO What about Andrew White. Haven't seen him in a few games. Nice 3 point shooter?

MinorThreat 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio, Take your freshman medicine.. there's several examples of recent players waiting their turn and being rewarded for it.

MinorThreat 6 years, 3 months ago

... oh yeah, I wish McLemore could have made the trip down to OK, we could have used him last night.

cobweb 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio needs to keep his focus where it belongs for a 19 year old. Getting laid!

cobweb 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio needs to keep his focus where it belongs for a 18 year old. Getting laid!

machinegun 6 years, 3 months ago

Big Bill is a hard case. That's how he coaches the game. When it looks like he is coughing violently into his hand, he is saying things to his players that mommies and little kiddies should not hear. Rio is going thru the same drill as Mario, Sherron, RussRob, TT, and all the rest. If he can hang tough, he will be one of our go to guys. Right now, he can support the rest of the team by remaining fired up about playing for KU.

CalBBaller 6 years, 3 months ago

Good-bye Rio. Thanks for your scholarship back.

Kevin Huffman 6 years, 3 months ago

Not yet....but another groupings of outbursts and that will likely be true.

Buck up and the future's yours, Rio.

Brian Skelly 6 years, 3 months ago

Ahh... the rantings and salutations of an 18 year old kid in the Twitter era. The reality is if he were good enough to play -- he would. Self doesnt trust him enough yet. As several of you have posted, there are TONS of guys who ended up going pro that Self started on the bench. I've said all season, im quite sure Self would love to have Traylor or Ellis play more. I love Young, but these other two guys are clearly more talented. However, Young knows better than most on this team exactly what he needs to do and whats expected of him. And he does that to near perfection.

I wouldnt get to ate up about Rio's rants though. Rio should. As in he needs to understand all of the world (or at least Jayhawk Nation) is watching. You get the good and the bad with the unfilteredness of the Twitter/Facebook era. The blade cuts both ways Rio.

Self should be fired up. Grinding out wins against good teams is likely what Self and his staff live for. Good stuff.

Yolanda Gay 6 years, 3 months ago

I understand Rio's frustration. He makes one mistake and is yanked out of the game. EJ has been making mistake after mistake (especially in prior games) and Self leaves him in the game. Rio is a freshman and should be able to make mistakes, play through them, and learn from them. If a freshman goes in a game and play in fear of making a mistake and being yanked, they won't be effective.

Kevin Huffman 6 years, 3 months ago

I agree......BUT this should've happened earlier in the year. A little late to take that approach now. And it's true that Self seems like every year he settles on a min. of 6 or 7 (last year was smaller....only 7...usually 6....usually Young was the 1st off the bench w/ Teahan 2nd.....Tharpe really only saw time last year like Adams has this year).....up to a max. of mayabe 8 (this year it's mostly 8. The starting 5 along with Tharpe, and USUALLY both bigs (Ellis & Traylor)......some nights it's more like 6 1/ could argue that was the case last night. I think Traylor I think I saw in the box score got 17 mins. of playing time whereas Ellis only got 5. Of course, their performance on the court had something to do with that.

All of these guys who are freshmen that aren't really freshmen, like McLemore & Traylor - seems to contribute more than the "true" freshmen w/ the exception of the true super stars - i.e., McLemore.

That's why I have real hopes for L.Lucas next season. I think he's going to surprise some people.

Steve Reigle 6 years, 3 months ago

I hope Rio figures out he's going through the learning curve like nearly every new player at a quality basketball school. He has the talent. His time will come. I imagine knowing another freshman, McLemore, is getting all that time makes it harder for Adams. I hope Chalmers' comments the other night were heard by Adams. Chalmers went through similar frustrations and look how he turned out. And Naadir last year. Hang in there, Rio. We're looking forward to seeing you develop those talents.

Blake Brown 6 years, 3 months ago

IMHO, a player needs to show consistent and reliable traits when hes on the floor and produce minutes where there is an overall positive result. Rio has had way too many occasions where he has been put into the game, committed a TO, missed a defensive assignment,made a poor decision and cost us, resulting in negative court time. Self has shown more than leniency in coming back with him and still he fails to have quality minutes. Our bench is horrible. Ellis, White and Adams are part of the reason. They have way underperformed and not even provided a decent relief for the regulars who need to take a breath. Only in the last few games has Traylor shown some consistently good play on both ends of the court, a pleasant surprise as he is definitely a project. Get out of Dodge Rio if you cant help the team on the floor and off. Expressing frustration to the general public is one negative and if the tweets did in fact come from him. he should be removed from the team. This is about a "team' and he has placed himself outside that concept. Let`s move on and play with those who really want to be here and contribute in a positive way. Rock Chalk!

Sam Constance 6 years, 3 months ago

The Twitter stuff from Rio is disappointing, but not terribly surprising, for a couple of reasons. First of all, as others have mentioned, he's made comments of dissatisfaction on Twitter before. But honestly, the reckless, didn't-think-it-through attitude that posting these kinds of comments requires is reflected a little in how he plays the game.

When he's gotten any semblance of extended time this year, he has shown flashes of elite talent, but it comes mixed with a heap of recklessness, carelessness, fundamentally unsound defense and occassional lack of all-out effort. He talks (tweets) and plays like a guy who overvalues his own talent and doesn't appreciate the more mature aspects of both expressing oneself in public and playing basketball. I don't mean he isn't talented, but he seems to think his talent is enough, and while some places it might be, at Kansas, talent alone is never enough.

I won't say much more because HEM more or less expressed exactly how I feel about the situation. One thing I'll add is that if Rio does get the wake-up call and shows some wisdom and maturity here, I'll be right behind him 100%, like any other Jayhawk. I just hope he takes some time to think about what he's doing and listen to people who may have a little more wisdom than he does on the matter.

Thank goodness Twitter wasn't around when I was 18-19 years old.

JayhawkRock78 6 years, 3 months ago

K Club member here, and thank goodness twitter wasn't around back in my day. I loved KU, but wasn't always 100% happy. I ran my mouth more than once, but never to a coach. Problem is twitter/facebook puts it out there and these are kids. Kids mature a different rates. Best thing to do is keep your head down, work your butt off and learn from upper classmen. I've only heard one former KU athlete say he regretted going to KU, and in that case he wasn't good enough to play (Football) at KU-back in the 70's when we were going to bowl games. This guy stated he should have gone back East and studied instead of trying to be an athlete so it had nothing to do with KU, it was sports vs studies.

And who ever posted "Travis, if your reading this take Rio aside" that was spot on. Travis carries himself very well as do all the starters.

REHawk 6 years, 3 months ago

A mighty fine movie allusion, ironhead80. As Rio takes all this chatter to bed, he can rest assured that he has two things going for him: terrific upside as a player and a coach who has gone on record as respecting a certain degree of ATTITUDE, esp. in his guards. That said, he had best not box Bill Self into more of a corner than he has already boxed himself!

Janet Olin 6 years, 3 months ago

Don't be a cry baby, Rio. I know that D1 is rougher and faster than when you were a Every player recruited by Coach Self is someone he believes is tough enough to succeed. Players don't get game time until after they have showed some of what he wants on D. That's Coach Self and his system, like it or not. I'd say his 86+% winning percentage over 10 seasons at KU proves he's doing many things right. Call Mario, Brandon, Tyshawn, RussRob--all of them went through the same thing as freshmen and became excellent players. The fans are rooting for you. Listen and practice hard.

jay381 6 years, 3 months ago

Frankly I found the comments by Rio to be immature not only for their content but for the timing of the outburst. Rio just in case you did not realize it the OSU game was in terms of the continuity of the Big 12 championship probably the most important game so far this year. There is a time and a place and frankly this should have been taken up with either your head coach or position coach or at a minimum with some of the senior leadership. Even given you are too immature to realize that for goodness sake could you at least understand your teammates and staff do not need mindless distractions prior to this game? I would also answer every time I see you enter the game it scares the heck out of me based on your performance. Perhaps you play with the same lack of concern for the team as you tweet.

justinryman 6 years, 3 months ago

"Remeber life before Twitter? You know when people kept their thoughts to themselves?"

David Letterman

Eric TheCapn 6 years, 3 months ago

Terrible move by Rio, but Self certainly does have his favorites. Can anyone explain why Tharpe never gets a start at point nor gets to play it most of the game, STILL? The fans have been asking for this for months and they've been right. Tharpe is better at point than EJ, but Tharpe should only be allowed to take three shots per game... unless it's double-OT!

Congrats to the Morris twins. That's boss!

Jason Wilson 6 years, 3 months ago

That's part of the issue. You can't have Tharpe in the game without having Tharpe's bad shots. it's not like Self wants him to take 18-foot jumpers every other possesion, he does it on his own.

The team is much better with EJ in - usually. I think the OSU game proved that. There's no way Tharpe should be starting. He's come a long way and I look forward to seeing what he can do as a 25+min player / starter next year, but right now EJ is a better option.

Hoosierhawkfan 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio, leave, if that is the best thing for you. If you decide to stay, put your head down, listen to coach, and work hard to please him and develope your skills. Whichever decision you make, Jayhawk Nation will support you. In the meantime, put a sock in it!!!

Brian Stoops 6 years, 3 months ago

The day after we pull off a win in Stillwater and everyone's blabbering on and on about Anrio Adams. Why?

Where's Jaybate? I miss him.

Lance Hobson 6 years, 3 months ago

We're at the pro bowl with all of these stars and we're talking about our idiot kicker!

AZHawk72 6 years, 3 months ago

When someone's shooting poorly in a shoot-around and you get up by twenty and don't put them in to work through it, I don't think that's good. When the time comes for "mop-up" time and the court is filled with walk-ons, leaving White and Adams to pout, I think it's just adding insult to injury. I know there is a time for "tough love," but young people today view it as public humiliation on a VERY public stage. All year I've wanted to see these five on the court at the same time: Traylor, Ellis, White, Adams, and Tharpe--and for at least a five minute stretch.

It's the least we can do for a second team that's made the first team better.

Scott Smetana 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio can't see it, but 2 amazing playing years at KU is better than 4 years playing for nobody U.

Reuben_J_Cogburn 6 years, 3 months ago

Rio -

I've witnessed you get your chance on several occassions. Try playing for 2 minutes without turning the ball over 3 times, fouling, and missing your defensive assigment.

Self has given you a chance to prove yourself, and you've proven yourself unreliable at best.

All that I can forgive, but a man owns up to it and doesn't whine on social media sites. The Rio Adams I've seen on the floor would start in a lot of other programs....mostly D-2 schools; maybe the Missouri Valley Conference if you were lucky.

Man up, shut up, and play basketball.

Blake Brown 6 years, 3 months ago

My sentiments exactly, as stated above in other words.

ku_foaf 6 years, 2 months ago

It is hard for these young players who have been stars and starters most of their lives to suddenly compete with a group with similar talents and more experience. Hopefully Rio will realize he will be part of something special if he sticks with the program. There is no doubt he will become a much better player under Coach Self.

Remember Thomas Robinson say little playing time until his freshman year? Releford, Withey, Tharpe? It's wouking out very well for those guys.

ku_foaf 6 years, 2 months ago

It is hard for these young players who have been stars and starters most of their lives to suddenly compete with a group with similar talents and more experience. Hopefully Rio will realize he will be part of something special if he sticks with the program. There is no doubt he will become a much better player under Coach Self.

Remember Thomas Robinson say little playing time until his freshman year? Releford, Withey, Tharpe? It's working out very well for those guys.

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