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Monday, February 18, 2013

Danny’s new digs: Manning brings ‘new brand of hoops’ to Tulsa

Former Kansas University All-American Danny Manning talks to his Tulsa team during a timeout in a game played during in his first year as head coach of the Golden Hurricane in 2013.

Former Kansas University All-American Danny Manning talks to his Tulsa team during a timeout in a game played during in his first year as head coach of the Golden Hurricane in 2013.

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Former Kansas University All-American Danny Manning talks to his Tulsa team during a timeout in a game played during in his first year as head coach of the Golden Hurricane in 2013.

— When Danny Manning agreed to become the head basketball coach at the University of Tulsa, he knew he was adding his name to an elite list of coaches.

What he didn’t know was that TU’s past success would be so in his face.

In the back halls of Tulsa’s Reynolds Center, two flights of stairs below Manning’s corner office on the top floor, sits a room about three times the size of the lane. When the 6-foot-10 former No. 1 overall NBA Draft pick and 15-year pro first walked in, he saw something unexpected. Stationed prominently above the half dozen lockers about 12 feet up the wall were photographs the size of pizza boxes of three of the best-known coaches in Tulsa history: Bill Self, Tubby Smith and Nolan Richardson.

All three men hold a special place in the often overlooked history and tradition of the 4,000-student Conference-USA school, and all three of those photos since have been moved to another part of the facility at Manning’s request.

“I was like, ‘We’re getting these out,’” Manning recalled with a laugh. “‘We’re gonna put these somewhere else. We’re not gonna look at these cats that won a national championship every day.’”

“A new brand of hoops,” is the slogan the university uses to promote the Manning era, and in the days since KU’s all-time leading scorer and rebounder was hired last April, interest, excitement and, frankly, hope have been on the rise with a fan base that still celebrates the program’s 2000 trip to the Elite Eight under Self and often asks, “So, when are we going back,” even though the Golden Hurricane has not made the NCAA Tournament in 10 years.

There’s also a giant photo of Self’s Elite Eight squad plastered on the wall near the basketball offices. Just about every day, Manning walks past it and sees his former boss’ giant, much younger face staring back at him.

“It’s there. It’s not going anywhere, and I would not be where I am at today without the relationship that I have with him,” Manning said of Self. “So I enjoy seeing that mural. I enjoy that we think enough of the impact he had on our program with that team to put them on the wall. And we aspire to get there as well.”

Kansas model

Reaching that point is a work in progress, but has a lot to do with Self. Tulsa assistant Brett Ballard, a former KU walk-on who worked with Manning under Self and also was the head coach at Baker University for two years, said much of what the first-year Tulsa staff does on a day-to-day basis resembles what Self does at Kansas. That model includes everything from practice plans and preseason boot camp to recruiting tricks and motivational tools.

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Danny Manning’s former boss — Kansas coach Bill Self — is in the front row, second from left in this photo not far from the Tulsa basketball office.

But it’s not as if Manning and company — former KU guard Steve Woodberry is an assistant, former KU manager Justin Bauman is TU’s director of basketball operations, and Ted Juneau, Manning’s high school coach, is a Tulsa administrator — are trying to turn Tulsa into Kansas South. Folks around town are quick to point out that former KU assistant coach Steve Robinson tried that from 1996-97. And it didn’t work.

“He doesn’t try to compare us to Kansas or make us like Kansas,” junior Patrick Swilling Jr., said. “He’s trying to build his own brand, his own name here at Tulsa.”

Manning is not Self, nor Larry Brown, nor any of the half dozen former NBA coaches for whom he played. He’s all of them.

“I’ve been very fortunate to be around some great coaches,” Manning said. “And it’s a little bit of this, a little bit of that. All of those things have made a contribution to how I think in this position.”

Manning’s players paint a picture of a coach who’s fun to be around and takes input well. The way he runs practice backs up both claims. At one mid-February practice, after running through the regular routine of shooting and defensive drills, Manning allowed the competitor in him to rise to the surface. In a series of blue-versus-black, one-possession scrimmages, he and Ballard matched wits and did so in stealth mode, whispering instructions to their squads. After three successful possessions by Manning’s black squad, the first-year coach unleashed in a booming voice, “Hey, Blue, I’m just making up stuff out here, and we’re scoring on you.”

On the next possession, Ballard’s blue team forced a turnover that led to an easy bucket on the other end.

“Good, good, good,” Manning said.

“He’s intense,” said Scottie Haralson, a senior who played for UConn coach Jim Calhoun as a freshman before transferring to Tulsa. “You can tell that it’s not his first rodeo. He’s learned from the best, and it’s like he’s been doing it forever.”

Added Swilling Jr.: “We know that coming in to practice every day is not gonna be easy.”

Time manager

In practices and games, Manning is equal parts smiles and barks. He appears to have fun being around the guys and also relishes the opportunity to teach the game he loves, often bouncing from serious to playful during the same drill. When he’s wearing the whistle around his neck, Manning is direct, organized and often a step or two ahead of what’s in front of him.

“We talk to our kids all the time about time management being one of the biggest adjustments you have to make in college,” Manning said. “And as a head coach that’s probably been one of my biggest adjustments, too.”

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Former Kansas University great Danny Manning finds the head coach’s chair at Tulsa U. fits just fine.

When word got out that Manning was moving into the head coach’s chair, many wondered whether the humble giant in both name and stature would be willing to step out of his shell and become the face of a program. Manning laughs at the thought while also indicating he understands where it came from.

“A lot of the things I did as a professional player I’m back out doing again,” he said. “Whenever you take on a new job or a new role, if someone says, ‘This is part of the gig,’ then you do it.”

Manning has done more than oblige. In addition to starring in weekly radio and television shows, he also has become a fixture in the Tulsa community. Manning’s team and family get involved in some sort of give-back activity each week. He has been known to unload bags from the team bus by himself, and he routinely strolls across campus to visit with the other coaches or take in other TU athletic events.

“I think he’s handled it great,” Ballard said. “He has stepped into the spotlight more because he understands that’s what he needs to do here. It’s a big-time deal, and the tradition and support are terrific, but at the same time he can blend in a little.”

Added Bauman: “I think it’s been an adjustment for Tulsa, quite honestly. It’s been awhile since they had someone in that position where they don’t have to go out and promote the head coach. The head coach kind of promotes himself.”

Manning is aware that his time as a head coach, at Tulsa or elsewhere, will be measured by wins and losses. He says he’s proud of the work he and his staff have done in Year One but also admits that his team has fallen short of its biggest goal on several nights.

“Expectations don’t change,” Manning said, acknowledging the motto he borrowed from Self. “The goal is still to go out and be successful and win. And that’s the mind-set that we have.”

After watching last season’s top two scorers transfer out before hearing his pitch and losing his top returning big man because of a preseason health scare, Manning went to work with the players who stayed and brought in seven newcomers — five freshmen and two transfers — to fortify the roster. Some are playing out of position, many have played hurt, and a few simply aren’t talented enough to help Tulsa win at the level Manning believes is possible.

“The majority of the time, we’ve not had a problem with our guys trying,” Manning said. “They try. And they play hard. And that’s what you want.”

‘Remarkable’ job

With just a few games left in the regular season and the Golden Hurricane hovering above .500 (14-11 overall, 6-5 in conference), many at Tulsa have been pleasantly surprised by what Manning has done this season and for the future. Manning has landed three targets in the Class of 2013 — two are big men — and is still trying to snag one more. Season-ticket sales are up by a little more than 300 from last season and the 8,300-seat Reynolds Center is starting to fill up the way it did when Self opened the building in 1998.

There are reasons for that. Some have to do with the effort put forth by the team or the way Manning has marketed Tulsa basketball. Others are tied to Manning’s past.

“I see guys wearing KU hats and KU sweatshirts coming to the games,” said senior associate athletic director Don Tomkalski, who has been at Tulsa since the 1980s. “The job he’s done, with what he’s had, is remarkable.”

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The Tulsa basketball program’s goals under coach Danny Manning are spelled out for all to see.

While much of the first season has been about laying foundations, it also has been about X’s and O’s. That part’s in good hands, according to Tomkalski.

In a road game at SMU in January, Tulsa led former KU and Manning coach Larry Brown by 17, let the lead slip away and then executed a near-perfect inbounds play late to win.

A couple of weeks earlier, despite trailing by 17 at rival ORU, Manning tweaked things in the second half and TU won by four.

And in early February, while playing at UTEP without their leading scorer and facing a fourth straight loss, the Golden Hurricane held off a tough Miners team to get back on track.

“You can see it,” Tomkalski said. “He knows how to coach. You see the team growing up all the time, and that’s coaching.”

Manning said he never realized he had the desire to become a head coach until he got older. The thought would flutter in and out, he said, but it never drove him, and he never spent a minute looking past the task at hand while serving as an assistant coach. Now that his time has arrived, Manning can’t help but feel like his path as a player and coach led him to Tulsa.

“I don’t think things turn out the way you want ’em to. They turn out the way they’re supposed to,” he said, mentioning that he encounters evidence of Jayhawk fans in Tulsa almost weekly. “I had a great job as an assistant coach at Kansas. It’s a great gig. To me, it was not something that you leave unless you find something that really fits you. And this fit.”

Comments

Thomas Michaud 1 year, 10 months ago

Great article, Matt!!

While I was really sad to see Danny leave, I'm very happy for the opportunity he has in Tulsa. Here's another KU fan hoping for Tulsa's continued improvement and a return to the NCAA tournament ... Just hope we never have to face 'em!

Love the photo of Self's team at Tulsa ... I take it that's Norm Roberts sitting next to him? Wow, 1999-2000 ... Amazing how time files.

Jack Jones 1 year, 10 months ago

Matt> As usual a terrific story about a great young man and my guess would be, a successful Head Coach to-be at Tulsa University. It is both remarkable, and one more significant piece of the second-to-none tradition of the University of Kansas basketball program when we consider the list of our Head Coaches > and the number of successful Assistant Coaches and former players who are now Head Coaches and Assistant Coaches at the college level > and now the NBA level as well. It truly is a privilege to be a part of that tradition as a member of the Jayhawk family.

David Reed 1 year, 10 months ago

fair o say the heir apparent to Self when he retires?

Jonathan Allison 1 year, 10 months ago

sounds like he's doing a fantastic job so far being the face of the program, etc. Deppending on how he does in recruiting and in how he does with his own recruits then you can start calling him hei apparent.

Also, if he's very successful very fast he may get a job at another elite basketball program before Self hangs up the whistle.

Vernon Riggs 1 year, 10 months ago

There isn't much of an age difference between Danny and HCBS. Not sure I would use the term 'heir apparent'.

reubend 1 year, 10 months ago

Yeah, it's only a four year age difference... Wish it were more.

KGphoto 1 year, 10 months ago

They are close in age. I guess it just depends on how long Bill wants to coach. Danny might want to coach a little longer if he has an opportunity to come back to Lawrence for 10 or so years.

If Bill coaches another 10, which is not unlikely, Danny might get his chance to coach the Hawks starting at age 56. Not too old to put in 10 more years of coaching in heaven.

MinnesotaJay 1 year, 10 months ago

Wishing Danny, and Brett, too, all the success in the world.

Scott MacWilliams 1 year, 10 months ago

Nice article, Matt!

Looks like Danny and the Hurricanes might be the next big thing, or is that on old doo-wop group??

For true, I think Tulsa scored the perfect coach for their situation, and I'm hoping that we see the Hurricanes moving up the rankings every year, maybe a Sweet 16 team in a few years? I wouldn't bet against Coach Manning and his crew of mostly Jayhawk assistants. They will have those guys headed in the right direction, an upward trajectory. Yet another branch of the ever-expanding Kansas coaching tree!!

Rock Chalk, Danny Hawk!!

KGphoto 1 year, 10 months ago

Just an FYI. It's actually Hurricane (singular). Easy to call them Hurricanes (I did at first, too.) considering how popular Miami football is, but I think it's cooler this way.

They are the Golden Hurricane. Honestly just making it singular, IMO, makes it one of the great team names in sports. Right there with Marshall's Thundering Herd.

SingaporeJayhawk 1 year, 10 months ago

One of the greatest players in NCAA history. His compliment of great teammates and remarkable 1988 season is being featured in a documentary releasing next month just prior to the 25th anniversary: 'The Miracles: College Basketball's Last Cinderella Champion' http://themiraclesmovie.com @KU88documentary

Billy61 1 year, 10 months ago

Thanks for the post and link. Just watched the trailer video. What great memories. Looking forward to the March release of the documentary.

monkeehawkSL8 1 year, 10 months ago

Love the uni's with the Beak yellow border. Danny deciding to come back cause he wasn't ready for the NBA, No matter who was shown shooting there was always a 2nd Jayhawk flying at the rim for a put back. Ahh Jayhawk TEAM basketball, that was refreshing. Thanks for the link and post. Danny wasn't ready, and I think of all the young men since then who thought they were and.......

Setherick 1 year, 10 months ago

I love HC Manning, so it's nice to see this article celebrating him here. I can't help but wonder how good his team would be this year if Kodi Maduka had not had to step away from the game. It's too bad what happened to the young man, but he made the right decision.

notjustbread 1 year, 10 months ago

You still got to believe that it is a huge recruiting advantage for TU to have the Danny Manning in your living room.

Cameron Cederlind 1 year, 10 months ago

I think the reason it didn't work in 1996-97 was trying to bring Roy's type of play to Tulsa, unless you've got some high recruits coming in it's gonna be tough to build a program around that. Nothing wrong with implementing the current KU model.

tis4tim 1 year, 10 months ago

Good for Danny and good for Tulsa.

It's got to be tough for schools like this. I mean, we sit here wishing and hoping that players like Ben McLemore stay for four years. At schools like Tulsa, fans wish and hope that the coach stays for four years. The bad ones won't last and, should you happen to find a star on the rise, like Self or Tubby or Richardson they are gone to bigger programs sometimes before their first recruiting class graduates. It has to be difficult trying to build a program for long-term success when the critical pieces are there only for the short-term. I hope Danny can bring Tulsa some lasting success in the years to come. Sadly, for the Hurricanes, the quicker the rise to prominence, the quicker Danny, too, will be coaching at another school and the cycle starts all over again.

It's good to be a Jayhawk.

Woody Cragg 1 year, 10 months ago

By far, no Danny is the biggest difference in this years' KU team & past teams. Just imagine how much stronger Perry Ellis would be in the paint with Manning's ability to tutor footwork & patience. I swear, every time Jeff catches a pass now he puts in on the floor-worst thing a big can do. I wish him best of luck, but maybe when Bill goes on to greener pastures, Danny will follow the trail back home. I think it was the KSU game last week we noticed him, the wife, & daughter in the crowd at AFH. Tremendous player, great coach, & even better person.

Brak 1 year, 10 months ago

I understand what you are trying to say, but to discredit what Norm Roberts and the current staff have done with our current big men is not really fair. Let's not forget Perry Ellis is only a freshman and there is no reason to believe that he would be that much further along with Danny around. Also let's not forget JW had several years of instruction under Danny and he has always had an issue with putting the ball on the floor when he catches it under the basket, so to insinuate that he is regressing now that Danny is gone is just stupid.

Woody Cragg 1 year, 10 months ago

So you say, but that certainly makes you no genius. All any of us have are opinions. If it's difficult for you to respect that and you have the need to call someone a name for that on a message board, you might have a bit of a social issue. Great remedy would be to just count to ten then bite your toungue. That way your posts don't get flagged. Just sayin...

Woody Cragg 1 year, 10 months ago

I'm not trying to say anything I didn't, and I certainly did not discredit anyone. Damn, your comment sounds like something a pissed off woman would say. Like you just KNOW what someone means. Too much Oprah? Go soak your head.

Reuben_J_Cogburn 1 year, 10 months ago

And you say "WHEN Bill goes on to greener pastures," as if it's a mathematical certainty.

At this point, there aren't any jobs that are any more appealing than KU. You might argue that an NBA job sounds better, but honestly, he's never implicated that the NBA is a possibility.

But what college position could be better than where he's at now? He already turned down Pickens' bottomless pocket offer to return to his alma mater.

The odds of Bill Self retiring here are getting better each year.

Michael Leiker 1 year, 10 months ago

It won't be his current job or any other job that ends up leading/forcing Self in a different direction.

Woody Cragg 1 year, 10 months ago

Well Reuby, he won't live forever. But it's likely he's stay till his boy graduates, ya think?

Woody Cragg 1 year, 10 months ago

You may be a little off on the attitude part-Morris popped that BB gun before his first boot camp. And of the bigs you mention, suffice to say only Aldrich was not already for the spit polish. Also why all the punctuation? It's not that hard to comprehend your post-is unnecessary & distracting.

Woody Cragg 1 year, 10 months ago

FYI there is no secret code, no mathematical equation, and nothing inherently implied. What the hell is wrong with a guy having a friggin opinion, and let it go at that? Several of you guys (?) need to go have a couple shots-hell I'll do it for ya in case you disagree on what kind. Surely that woudln't happen?.

Woody Cragg 1 year, 10 months ago

I do think that Danny's demeanor & temperament would have Perry playing with more confidence than he presently expresses. His body language is terrible-head down, glancing if any eye contact, no facial expressions like he's even remotely having fun on the floor. Truthfully, I think he looks scared. And I also think Danny would have calmed his apprehensions by this point in the season. That's all, nothing else; Perry has a ton of moves already. That's why he's MDAA. Also, in the loss at OU, I counted five straight possession Jeff put the ball on the floor in the blocks, stripped 3 times. You don't always have to yell or scream at someone to get them to do what you wish-Danny is that kind of man. Looks like Perry may be that sort of person also. He's got a little more under the hat than the average kid playing D1 ball.

jhawkrulz 1 year, 10 months ago

Did KY regress or get better? Personally to me has shot better, played more minutes, and stayed out of foul trouble.

Did JW regress? Some thought without a TRob next to him, he would struggle. Although he isn't the best of the best, he can really play. His defense has kept us in games, where last year I remember several games where he was benched because he couldn't keep up with the faster youth.

Ellis we might not know, but the one clear issue he has is catching rebounds with both hands. I believe that is because he was just that much better in High School.

Traylor, I would say that he may have benefited from having Manning around, but you can see glimmers of his ability and his Junior and Senior years at KU will be remarkable.

Woody Cragg 1 year, 10 months ago

Is a frog waterproof? Sure he's better, but that's what you expect of a guy that old, that's been around the block a time or two. And truthfully he's the best we have at the 4 spot now so you see him play alot, yet Self's still desparately trying to give his minutes to Ellis. We flat don't have a power forward at the 4 spot-we have committee. And if KY wasn't getting the garbage baskets & low post points, we'd be getting virtually nothing from that 4 spot for scoring. He's all we have there period.

Michael Auchard 1 year, 10 months ago

Near the bottom of this Wikipedia page it shows something similar to what you seem to be looking for, under the heading "Current Jayhawk College Coaches."

Sally Presson 1 year, 10 months ago

Yes, we all miss Danny, but wish him success, he's a great man and a great coach!!! He did wonderful things at Kansas and will do wonderful things at TU. Danny will always be a Jayhawk!!

Tony Bandle 1 year, 10 months ago

Bill wins another NC and leaves say in 5 or 6 years...Danny's the Man. Bill wins a couple of NCs and retires in 10 or 11 years...the Brad Stevens from Butler is the Man.!!

nuleafjhawk 1 year, 10 months ago

After Bill leaves in 5 or 6 years and Danny's the man - did you mean to say that Danny wins a couple of NC's and retires in 10 or 11 years - or did Bill come out of retirement and kick Danny's butt out the door ??? lol

hawkmoon2020 1 year, 10 months ago

Man, watching that "Miracles" trailer brought back memories. It also got me thinking that it seems 90% of our shots are either within 7 ft or beyond 20. Not a lot of 8-15 footers that the Miracles made. I know we like to go hi-lo, and work it inside, but is it just me? Kinda like when we point out KY having open 12-15 footers, and not hitting them efficiently. Can this team hit the 7-20 ft range shots? Can't EJ, NT, TR or BMac hit those pull-up jump shots from 8-12 ft . . . efficiently?

Joe Joseph 1 year, 10 months ago

They're coached to NOT take those shots, which I don't always agree with when you have a guy like Mclemore who should be shooting more often.

rrwisecup 1 year, 10 months ago

Good luck to you Danny, wish we had you back. Wouldn't count on DM being the new defacto coach if BS goe's, there's a guy out there called Mark Turgeon who's pretty good.

Priest Fontaine 1 year, 10 months ago

What about Jacque Vaughn after 10+ years in the NBA under his belt?

jaybate 1 year, 10 months ago

Danny Manning will win 20 next year and 25 the year after, then 30. At that point he will get his shot at a major. Brett Ballard will get his shot to take over at Tulsa. Brett will keep it rolling and Brett will be at a major.

What major Danny goes to determines whether he ever comes back to KU as head coach. If he goes to an Illinois, and Self retires in five, then Danny would probably come back. But Danny is old enough that unless all goes perfectly he will be too old for KU to take a chance on. And if Danny were to get hired by one of the blue bloods after turning Tulsa around, he probably would not come back regardless.

But Brett Ballard is very likely to come back as KU's head coach some day.

Brett Ballard won instantly at Baker.

Brett Ballard is a top assistant to Manning at a still young age.

Brett Ballard is on track to become a great coach.

KU is lucky to have two great future prospects from the Self Coaching Tree--one mid term and one long term.

Marshall Ballard 1 year, 10 months ago

I like the way you think, jaybate! Brett has a great basketball mind! He has learned from the best...Coach Anderson at HHS, Coach Jank at HCC, RoyBoy, Self, and now Manning!

Tony Bandle 1 year, 10 months ago

Let's Grade the Big 12 Coaches.

1] Bill Self, Kansas. - A++, It's obvious.

2] Bruce Weber, Kansas State - He gets an A- with the previous coach's players, D- with his own players.

3] Fred Hoiberg, Iowa State - B+ And will get better the more he coaches....dammit!!

4] Travis Ford, Oklahoma State - A-, He gets a high grade for not letting his crappy coaching get in the way of his players excelling.

5] Scott Drew, Baylor - D-, He gets a low grade for letting his crappy coaching get in the way of his players excelling.

6] Rich Barnes, Texas - F+, He better circle the wagons if next year is like this year.

7] Lon Kruger, Oklahaoma - C++, A past Kansas nemisis, Lon will re-establish that role as a coach.

8] Bob Huggins, West Virginia - C-, Huggy Bear having an off year.

9] Chris Walker, Texas Tech - Incomplete, I'll let him finish his season before he gets his F

10] Trent Johnson, TCU - D-, How can you flunk someone who beat Kansas, although he admitted Kansas did a lot more to beat Kansas than TCU did!!

Marshall Ballard 1 year, 10 months ago

great list...I totally agree with #3! The Mayor came into The Phog with a perfect gameplan that would have worked out for them if it hadn't been for Mr. McLemore!! The Mayor seems to be getting a lot out of a "mixing pot" of players. If he can recruit consistently, they will continue to rise in the standings and will be a force each year that he is there.

jhawkrulz 1 year, 10 months ago

I'd give #7 a bump...he has the team headed in the right direction. Bruce Weber, I'm not sold on, I still think he is running a Gimmick offense that is built on speed. These are the teams that get upset in the first round of the tournament because small mid-majors actually match up good against them. Same type of lineup MU had last year. Ran 4 guards, and hard to match up against. However, upset early in the tournament. Rick (not rich) you are being generous, he has consistently gotten top recruits and can't do anything with them. Even with a Kevin Durant, he under performed. One thing you have to give credit to UT, is they give their coaches time.

texashawk10 1 year, 10 months ago

Kruger deserves a higher rating. He inherited an absolute mess of a situation at OU and is going to take them to the NCAA tournament in year 2. That is at least a B rating.

jaybate 1 year, 10 months ago

I grade coaches for a particular season based on how much they got from what they had.

Bill Self A+ Weber A Hoiberg A Ford B Drew D Barnes C Kruger A Huggins C Walker inc. Trent Johnson B

wrwlumpy 1 year, 10 months ago

I watched the Houston/TU game last week until with a few minutes left to go in the game with TU ahead and the FoxMidwest Network switched to another game.

Watching Danny coach you can see an influence from Self. He is always standing and coaching when the team is on defense, no matter if it is the first play of the game.

Funny to find out that Tulsa tried to be KU south earlier in history.

GeoHawk15 1 year, 10 months ago

I'm not sold on anything either, especially from KSuck fans. However, I've heard similar rumors from some pretty connected folks in Lawrence who are diehard Jayhawk fans. People like to talk, so hopefully it's just that.

sbucks 1 year, 10 months ago

Mannings going to be a great coach, wish we still had him.

Sammy Davis 1 year, 10 months ago

I'm trying to figure out how "it didn't work" for Steve Robinson from 96-97. He went 46-18, to a pair of NCAA tournaments and even won a tournament game. He was the WAC coach of the year one of those seasons, and garnered a promotion to Florida State out of the gig. If Manning did all that, wouldn't his stay be considered a resounding success?

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