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Tuesday, February 5, 2013

Statehouse Live: Bill would require KU to play Wichita State University in basketball

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Should KU be forced to play Wichita State?

  • Yes 27% 143 votes
  • No 72% 381 votes

524 total votes.

— This week, the state of Kansas has three college men’s basketball teams ranked in the Top 25 in the USA Today Coaches Poll.

But one of those teams, Wichita State University, doesn’t play the other two, Kansas University and Kansas State University.

That would change under legislation introduced Tuesday by state Sen. Michael O’Donnell, R-Wichita.

Starting in the 2014-15 academic year, KU and K-State would each have to schedule a nonconference game with Wichita State.

“These are absolutely going to be sellout games,” O’Donnell said.

O’Donnell said the matchups would be a hit with basketball fans and promote the state. He said the games would also decrease travel time for the teams.

Similar legislation has been filed before and clanked off the rim.

But O’Donnell noted he has a powerful teammate running the floor. Senate President Susan Wagle, a Republican, is from Wichita.

O’Donnell originally proposed making state funding to KU contingent on playing Wichita State.

But he removed that provision before officially introducing the measure, saying he didn’t want his proposal to be confrontational.

He said that the measure was not a top priority of his but that he wanted legislators to at least discuss the idea. Other states have passed similar bills to create in-state rivalries.

KU and Wichita State have not played since 1993 when KU defeated the Shockers, 103-54.

Tim Caboni, KU’s vice chancellor for public affairs, said he appreciated O’Donnell’s “excitement and support of Jayhawk basketball, and his enthusiasm expressed through this bill.” But, he added, “It would be our great preference that Coach (Bill) Self along with the staff in Kansas Athletics craft the annual basketball schedule for KU.”

In a recent interview with ESPN, Self was asked why KU won’t play Wichita State.

Here was his answer: “Kansas hasn’t played Wichita State for years, way before I was the coach at Kansas. … Iowa plays Northern Iowa because the state Legislature says you have to. If someone were to come and say something that it’s law, then we would have to. But you schedule to benefit your own school, not to benefit others. You have to benefit your own school. I want to play games that benefit us, and, from a financial standpoint, it’s hard to play games away from Allen Fieldhouse since that’s our main source of budget every year.”

O’Donnell said that under his proposal, he would let the schools figure out where to play the games.

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tdscpa 1 year, 2 months ago

KU and KSU should be forced to play WSU! Hey, it's the socialist thing to do! Share the wealth! Punish the successful!

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Clarence Haynes 1 year, 2 months ago

Legislators need to stay out of this.

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JayHawkFanToo 1 year, 2 months ago

There no upside to KU playing WSU on a yearly basis. According to HC Self, KU makes over $600K every games it plays at AFH. Why in the world would it schedule an unprofitable away game every other year when it can have an better suited and more profitable game at home?

KU would be expected to win every time and a loss would reflect poorly and a win be of little or no benefit.

I prefer playing the smaller schools (for Hays, Pitt, Emporia, Washburn) for whose players playing in the Cathedral of BBall is the highlight of their careers and the biggest money maker of the year for the programs..

As far as those that claim that taxes pay for KU, obviously do not know that the sports programs are self-sufficient (particularly BBall) and that little or no taxes go to pay for these expenses.

Finally, all I can say is: Thank God we don't get all the government we pay for - Will Rogers.

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LakeShawnee 1 year, 2 months ago

How embarrassing for Wichita State. If I were a legislator allied or recognized in any way with Wichita State, this bill would make me cringe. How embarrassing. I mean, to be able to say you get to play KU only because it took a law to make KU stoop to your level, how embarrassing.

“Hey, we get to play KU because we were able to change the rules to make them.” What a direct way of recognizing how inferior you are. Yikes.

What’s next? A bill that requires professors at KU to spend at least one day a year thinking about an idea that comes from a Wichita State professor? I can just hear the debate, “Hey, KU professors are really smart but we have some relatively smart professors too and we want KU to consider our ideas too! Hey! We want to sit at the table too! Hey!!” Wichita State: Hillside High indeed.

Before, at least Wichita State was respectable b/c they prided themselves on who they are. Now, it just smacks of K-State’s lobbying effort to require KU and K-State to be a package deal during conference realignment so KSU remains relevant.

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HawkKlaw 1 year, 2 months ago

I would be okay with KU playing WSU, but not okay with state legislature mandating it every season. I do think it's a bit of a travesty that KU hasn't played WSU since 1993, especially since WSU is really good some years. Also, since we don't play an actual "rival" during the season anymore, adding an in-state "rivalry" to the schedule would definitely be more exciting for me as a fan, especially if it means we don't have to play FHSU and ESU every season.

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EdgarMarsalla 1 year, 2 months ago

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Ralster Jayhawk 1 year, 2 months ago

Just read all the comments above, and while the competetive side of me says to "just go kick WSU's tail to shut them up", I sarcastically realize that the State of KS is "always" broke. So, if the State can collect some of the proceeds under some category of revenue, maybe that is behind it? But 1 game's revenue is a drop in the bucket to what the State blows through every year--SO, maybe revenue is not it. Maybe that O'Donnell is simply clueless about the ramifications from each big school's AD's point of view? The funniest thing is what Gregg Marshall's view would be when KU comes into Koch Arena and blows them out--how would that affect WSU's recruiting? Does Gregg Marshall want that result? Somebody get his POView, as we already know Bill's/KU's and KState's.

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JayhawkRock78 1 year, 2 months ago

Bad idea, and most posts agree. 1. Govt, stick with real problems. 2. Fans from Wichita can drive to Lawrence if they want to see KU play. 3. We earn and get national exposure going on the road against top programs for non conference games. 4. Self and the AD should have the only say in our schedule outside of conference games.

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GreatJake 1 year, 2 months ago

Agreed. Politicians stay out of sports....why ruin sports?

Amazing that so many think that the government knows whats best and should tell everyone what to do.

Come on these are they same people who forced banks to loan money to people who could not pay it back....yeah that sounds like a great idea.

Oh and dont worry about military spending, after OCare concretes itself...the US wont have any money to spend on a military..........just like all the socialized medicine countries currently that are listed above.

See this is exactly why the govt should stay out of sports...who wants to have to talk about it.

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MiseryFree 1 year, 2 months ago

This is the type of government meddling and interventionist mentality you typically expect from liberal democrats. These clowns need to step back.

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Eric Baker 1 year, 2 months ago

As someone who has attended both KU and Wichita State, I have to say I was very confused at all of the negative feelings towards KU and KU fans around the WSU campus and at their games. None of the fans I knew in Lawrence were disrespectful in the least.

And then I read a bunch of the comments here, saying WSU isn't a real basketball team, and other incredibly arrogant, disrespectful, and pompous things, and I realize it's people like all of you.

How about you all get off your high horse and seriously consider this? The way many of you are talking makes ME not want to admit I'm a KU fan and partial alumnus. It's embarrassing to be associated with some of you.

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akgjenkintown 1 year, 2 months ago

We have major financial issues in the state and this is what our legislators are spending time discussing. I think we need new legislators, not mandates who should play who in basketball.

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yates33333 1 year, 2 months ago

I didn't bother to read the comments, but off hand I would say that this makes Kansas look as trashy as Oklahoma. The big difference is that O.U. guided its destiny to where the football team is more important than academics and here a second rate Kansas legislator is doing it. Wonder if he graduated from Oklahoma? He's awful close to red dirt country.

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southwindjay 1 year, 2 months ago

Don't they have more important things they should be doing?

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Joseph Bullock 1 year, 2 months ago

Ignorant, Arrogant politicians! They are both from Wichita, and trying to craft a bill to help their home town university. imagine that! what they are doing should be illegal, as they are using their political power to do something that has absolutely nothing to do with helping the State of Kansas. They obviously want votes, and probably a bunch of hidden (and maybe illegal) perks, from wealthy people in Wichita. Oh, and dare I say they want future votes, from people in Wichita, who want Wichita State and Kansas to play (most there want that, especially now that WSU is doing so well). Also, for those of you who don't think us playing them could hurt us in recruiting, you obviously don't know much about recruiting, and even if they get only one kid, that they would not otherwise have gotten (let's say, a future Ellis or Francamp (did I spell his name right--probably not==lol ), it could really hurt us down the road. Our University officials say our Athletic Department and Coach self should make schedule, so obviously, they know that it would not even remotely benefit K.U. to play WSU, or we would already be playing them!!!

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Ferd Magellan 1 year, 2 months ago

They've been proposing this for years. It has never and will never pass. This is just something Wichita politicians do to make their base happy.

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flyingfinn 1 year, 2 months ago

You would think with all of the problems in this country that politicians would have better things to do that this idiotic idea. Scheduling should not be legislative fodder.

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BPSkelly 1 year, 2 months ago

There's no benefit to KU at all with this. Thats just the reality of this. Im not a Kansas resident. Im an alum from St. Louis. I do remember that walloping back in 93 when I was a student. If I recall correctly, it was WSU that walked away from playing KU... not the other way around.

I mention this because I went to grad school at Missouri State (at the time Southwest Missouri). People down there would get ate up about Mizzou not willing to play them -- the same way WSU people get about KU (or even KSU). I remember Mizzou ended up playing SMSU in one of those early pre-season NIT games... and lost to the Bears. I think that sealed the deal. No shot in @#$@ of that happening after that. All that said, I recall thinking about the parallels with KU/WSU stuff. Mizzou wanted to protect its brand.

St. Louis University tried for decades to get Mizzou to agree to a series. I think they only played twice though a few years back. Mizzou cant claim it was money -- the game in St. Louis was played in the Dome -- 35,000+ there. Of course the fact SLU beat them probably sealed the deal on that too... no go there. But from a branding stand point, I understood it.

I for one wouldnt care, but I totally understand KU's position on this. There is truly no benefit to them at all with this. KU doesnt need to recruit Wichita... it needs to go play in Philly, N.Y., Chicago, Atlanta, L.A. That to me is the biggest reason this idea is folly. Unless of course WSU is willing to play in Lawrence every year. Otherwise, this makes no sense other than stroking the egos of folks.

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LHS1980 1 year, 2 months ago

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Kansas1241 1 year, 2 months ago

This is so stupid. That idiot politician needs to realize Wichita doesn't deserve to be on the national map in college basketball. When a team can't even beat Indiana State and Southern Illinois at home they don't deserve to get a match-up with Kansas.
Oh but the governor says the games would surely be a sellout...hey governor, the REAL basketball team has sold out 193 consecutive games against teams far worse than WSU. Glad the Shockers have lost three straight so everybody can quit giving them credit for being a decent team. RCJH.

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kay_you 1 year, 2 months ago

Hmm, I thought republicans were in favor of less government.

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Norm Jennings 1 year, 2 months ago

good thing Gov Brownie and his Koch-brother cronies bought themselves enough state congress-persons to face the critical issues facing our state.

Children's services...who cares?

Money for Education, who needs it? Better to pay Lawyers to fight with Courts!

Art...waste of time and $$

more importantly...lets get justice for Shockers Basketball!!

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Pitthawk34 1 year, 2 months ago

This just in GAMEDAY signs are already being prepared. "No Food Stamps WSU" and "O'Donnell Public enemy #1" Gonna happen. Just what I've been told. Some signs I cant post which will surely not be seen on TV. Gonna be fun to watch.

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jhawkrulz 1 year, 2 months ago

Isn't it bad enough that we have to play the purple-headed stepchild twice a year?

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Pitthawk34 1 year, 2 months ago

BS...KU will set up a schedule that they want not by what they are mandated to schedule. Your wrong dead wrong. Keep the damn government away from our sports. We have to deal with enough BS every 4 years..

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Ralster Jayhawk 1 year, 2 months ago

People forget that last game in 1993 where KU whipped WSU 103-54. WSU called for termination of the series, citing "noncompetitive" reasoning. But we can kick their butt anytime, anywhere...AFH, Koch, or Intrust. Or Sprint? How about Africa? Oops, that was for purplepussies...Living in the Wichita area, I say play 'em, beat 'em, shut 'em up til they have had enough. Playing WSU will be better preparation than the two exhibition games vs Ft.Hays/Emporia/PittSt, which only makes me feel very sad for those poor kids from those 3 little schools, coming up to AFH and getting their "scheduled" pasting...why? We all gripe about wanting stiffer competition...get rid of the instate exhibitions. I dont buy the spin about those kids looking fwd to playing in AFH. Who really wants to show up for a 100% guaranteed get-your-azz-kicked appointment? People say its about $$ for the little schools...man, find some other way. Its like beating up on the sisters of the poor.

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jay381 1 year, 2 months ago

The last thing in the world collegiate athletics needs is a bunch of pontificating politicians with self interest attempting to manage the schedule for anyone.

Hopefully this will be one thing the KSU alums can join with KU and politely tell the mindless, self serving politicians to mind their own d__ business. Both schools are both perfectly able to schedule their own games that are in their own best interest.

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Pitthawk34 1 year, 2 months ago

Since he is a elephant I am very tempted to change to a Donkey.

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Pitthawk34 1 year, 2 months ago

Looks like O'Donnell does not want to move up the ranks trying to force KU and K state hands. He just lost 70 percent of the state vote.

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DCLawHawk 1 year, 2 months ago

If this is an NCAA recruiting violation then forget it, but I was wishing Coach Self had said that he would be happy to schedule Wichita State just as soon as Andrew Wiggins joins the Jayhawks so that he could play against his brother.

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KUmtbiker 1 year, 2 months ago

We can't fund our public schools adequately or other state necessities, but hey, lets spend our time and efforts worrying about one or two basketball games a year. After this maybe we can determine the exact pose the Meadowlark should have on gift mugs.

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Robert Murphy 1 year, 2 months ago

The Kansas basketball team has nothing whatsoever to do with the state of Kansas which is mostly inhabited by Neanderthals. They just play their games in Lawrence with all their best players coming from other states.The legislature needs to go back to their war on women and building obsolete power plants and shut up about who Kansas plays. I will have no respect for the state of Kansas until there is an abortion clinic providing constitutionally guaranteed medical services in every little backward village which is all of them. Johnson county is kinda like a tumor that grew on the side of Kansas City and looks good on the surface but is really all about keeping up with the Jones' in their mad rush for status.

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milehighhawk 1 year, 2 months ago

Nothing to gain by adding the game.

I can think of a number of stupid, arcane laws that have been passed by state legislatures and remain on the books. Just because Iowa decided to set up the game doesn't make it a good idea...I think it's absurd that politicians would trouble themselves with the athletic schedules of college kids -- but of course, he's simply playing to the home crowd.

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JayHok 1 year, 2 months ago

Will the state of Kansas pay the schools the $300,000 they would lose every other year by not playing an out of state opponent? How about the extra tax dollars Kansas misses out on here. This game fills a slot but instead of WSU and KU playing two separate games on a said date worth $300,000 each per school, $600,000 total, the said date is now worth $300,00 once per year, $300,000 total. This doesn't begin to cover the forced loss of a chance to recruit a different part of the United States. This is a long term state program that would lose the state millions and open the door towards a future of mediocre D1 basketball recruits in the state of Kansas, a state that needs exposure more than any other state due to population density.

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Machawk 1 year, 2 months ago

Most everything the tea party delegates come up with here in Brownbackistan is absurd, but to legislate basketball schedules takes the cake. Let the A.D.'s work on the schedule and let the legislature figure how to fund the shortfall our dictator is heading us towards. Just because Iowa and Kentucky mandate it doesn't mean it's a good idea.

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Ben Kane 1 year, 2 months ago

every game forced upon is a game taken away where we could be playing in the backyard of one our players so their family can attend, or a game that Self wants to play to experience a specific team's style of play.

the point i'm trying to make here is that I support coach Self putting the schedule he wants together.

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Jack Wilson 1 year, 2 months ago

So, we would lose one home game of revenue every other season, assuming a home and home?

Are we scared? Chicken? Yellow?

Sounds like it.

WSU has talked this crap for years. Perhaps the best remedy is to kick their asses.

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Mel Clare 1 year, 2 months ago

Why is this even being discussed as a law? Dont these so called 'law makers" have anything better to do? Like figure out what to do about the deficit, highways, school systems, drug gangs and illegals in our state? They are &^%$@# worrying about BASKETBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just shows you how assinine most of these elected officals are..........

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Pbbut 1 year, 2 months ago

So this is what our state legislators are working on? I would think they would be pushing some evolution bill in Topeka, because evolution obviously has not reached the statehouse yet.

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WindmillGIANT 1 year, 2 months ago

For the anti-government folks - can you provide one example from American history when less government equalled more freedom and high quality of living? And remember, non-wealthy, non-male, non-white, non-landowning people do count as Americans. Also by less government, would you remove the government entirely from the economy? So, no patent laws, no trade agreements, no FDIC, no professional licensing programs, such as for doctors, teachers, lawyers, etc, no special legal business entities with separate rights, such as corporations, no labor laws, no bankruptcy laws, no anti-monopoly laws, etc...? Which public services would you cut: education, fire and police protection, social security, education, road maintenance? Would you cut the world's largest military, which currently are government spends more money on then something like the next 11 countries combined? I'd just really like to understand how exactly this wonderful free world without government would actually work.

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W Keith Swinehart II 1 year, 2 months ago

Now gov't is scheduling games. Bad idea. I'd like to see them play, but on same terms as scheduling any team. Let the two schools negotiate. It's a fact that games out of Allen will lose revenue. But strategic arrangements are made with marquee teams every year. Toss the KU vs WSU game into that mix every 5-10 years it might be fun. Or put it into the unofficial exhibition status along with Washburn, Emporia St, Ft Hays, etc. As an annual state required game its a loser for KU. I say leave it like it is.

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HawkTronic 1 year, 2 months ago

As long as we are legislating entertainment, I'd like to see a bill that would require Bruce Springsteen and Alicia Keys to perform at Liberty Hall every Thursday . Come on, O'Donnell!

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briantium 1 year, 2 months ago

Fascinating to see the hostile/snobby reaction of the KU people to this. One game in Wichita every two years is hardly going to be a financial catastrophe for KU. And if the Wichita State fan base gets up for it the way the K-State fan base does, it would only be good for KU to play in another hostile environment early in the season. That's one thing Self's always talking about, is his players not being tough enough; this could only help. There's something about an instate rival that intensifies the game. You'd think KU would be like, "Fine, we'll play you and kick your a$$", instead of this pompous "we're too good to be on the same court as you" attitude. (And I take the same attitude that K-State should play WSU every year, as well.)

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nostradavid 1 year, 2 months ago

It's too bad Bill mentioned the legislation angle in his answer. O'Donnell and Wagle are too dim for original thoughts - you don't want to give them ideas. (You are right: the Koch brothers pull a lot of strings in Topeka.) Charles Koch Arena at WSU has about 2/3 of the seats that Allen Fieldhouse has, meaning less revenue to share. Having the game at the downtown Intrust Arena would let more KU fans see it, and increase the money. The small silver lining, if this does go through, is that KU alums in Wichita will have a good opportunity to see the Jayhawks. (Norman is close, too. There are always good empty seats to fill at Lloyd Noble during basketball season.)

I hope KU has enough pull to stop this thing. Northeast Kansas legislators have never been known to vote in Wichita's best interest on anything.

I would rather worry about playing the Shockers in the NCAA tournament. They are playing great this year.

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Steve Gantz 1 year, 2 months ago

Wisconsin does it, they play UWMilwaukee, UW Green Bay and Marquette every year. They'll travel to their gyms for these games as well. Not that that is totally relevant to this conversation.
If a bill like this hits the national sports media Kansas will be the butt of a lot of jokes.

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texashawk10 1 year, 2 months ago

WSU is one of the better mid-majors out there and KU has been bitten in March by mid majors more frequently than we'd like to see so playing a quality mid major each year, sometimes in a hostile environment isn't the worst thing for KU. I personally would love to see KU and WSU play every year alternating between Lawrence and Wichita. The games in Wichita could be played at Intrust to accommodate the larger crowds KU coming in would warrant. I am also aware that this won't happen because of the bad blood between the school administrations that gets brought up nearly every time WSU gets mentioned on this site so I know the odds of a KU-WSU rivalry starting back up on their own is slim to none at this point.

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REHawk 1 year, 2 months ago

Bill Self has only so many opportunities to showcase his program among fans and prospects from other areas of the country. November/December games constitute huge recruiting opportunities. I am really opposed to governmental intervention regarding such scheduling. That said, if the bill should gather full political steam, and appear to be at the threshold of a done deal, I would opt for amending the bill: something along the lines of Wichita State playing the two other major state universities once every 3rd or 4th season. And that game would be played at the venue which seats the largest crowd and can generate the most media revenue. If KU or K State should suffer a financial loss, then govt. funding makes up the difference.

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gchawk 1 year, 2 months ago

I kind of liked playing my little brother in one-on-one when we were growing up, but after awhile he just became a pest.

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Ludwig Supraphonic 1 year, 2 months ago

How much of the Kansas schedule do you want the state legislature to manage?

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briantium 1 year, 2 months ago

As I understand it, Iowa and/or Iowa State are required to play Northern Iowa in basketball and football every year (or some combination thereof; aka one year UNI plays ISU in football, then Iowa the next year, and maybe plays both every year in basketball), and it's stated elsewhere that the state of Kentucky mandates the same thing, so it's not like legislating the games would be totally unheard of.

I do think both K-State and KU should be playing Wichita State in basketball every year, regardless. I mean, neither school has a problem playing them in baseball, do they? lol

Anyway, while I'd like to see a straight home-and-home series, I think a compromise might be to play at the "neutral" InTrust Arena and Sprint Center where maybe the bigger schools can get half the ticket revenue to take the sting out of losing ticket sales. Though I don't think playing one game out of your non-con in Wichita every two years is such a big money loser.

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jgkojak 1 year, 2 months ago

I have always thought it was in KU's best interest to play WSU every year. It would actually make sense for us to play 1 game a year in Wichita like we play at Sprint Center. That's hard to do if we also don't sched WSU at some point.

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Tony Bandle 1 year, 2 months ago

I will issue the ultimate insult...this sounds just like something a Missouri politician would propose.

Rivalries are born...not legislated. This could open the door to a slippery slope that could makle us walk the thin line along the precipice. [Four trite imagery references in one sentence...my all-time high!!! }

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okiedave 1 year, 2 months ago

I would favor the bill. We recruit in the Wichita area. Didn't KU schedule a game in Fargo, North Dakota so Boschee could play in front of a home crowd? Ellis could play in front of his folks as could future Wichita area recruits.

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midwest_muser 1 year, 2 months ago

Anyone who is in favor of more government control of their lives likely lacks said control in the first place.

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ed_MRG2 1 year, 2 months ago

Doesn't the legislature have better things to do? Let the schools decide their own schedules, the Govt. has better things to do.

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ManCrushOnCaptainKirk 1 year, 2 months ago

If you only have 3 D1 schools in the entire state, they should all play each other. No questions asked. It's good for the state. They are state institutions. Enough said.

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William Blake 1 year, 2 months ago

Personally, I'd like to see this game every year.... but I don't support big gov forcing it.

Is this constitutionally sound?

Since we pay the salaries of these legislators, don't they work for us? Can't we somehow make them shave their rears and walk on their hands? After all, that's where their words come out of...

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Dyrk Dugan 1 year, 2 months ago

the state legislature has no say in this....to compel by law, two schools to play each other in sports is prepsosterous.

what a precedent to set. i mean, are you kidding me? this is what the legislature will spend it's time on? not one second should be spent on this.

Bill Self has already said on record, that KU has to benefit...no matter whom we schedule out of conference ....period. i think eventually, we will work something out. but it won't have anything to do with a threat from our legislature.

this is big govt. at its worst. Please....some right minded KS legislators....kill this bill.

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Jayhawks Rock 1 year, 2 months ago

I like WSU a lot, but this is a bonehead move. A match-up once in a while would be fine, but we have too much red tape (NCAA) as it is. Nobody wins if you legislate it.

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PhearThePhog 1 year, 2 months ago

Wish our government would focus on things that will really make a difference for the residents/taxpayers of the state. Another example of them putting their nose in business that it really doesn't belong. If it's such a great idea it ought to be driven by the school AD's, coaches and fans/alumni ... not legislated!

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jhawkrulz 1 year, 2 months ago

I wrote this previously. A few weeks ago KU ranked in the top 5 (like usual) and KSU was ranked #11. KU on the road to a sellout crowd, several story lines (e.g. both coaches from Illinois, etc.) and it wasn't even on ESPN or a major network. I had to go to Jayhawk TV/local channel to watch it.

For recruiting, if there is a student that KU wants in the state of Kansas 99% of the time we get them. I'm sure when you talked to Randle this year or Wiggins (who we are recruiting)...yes but we get to go to Wichita and play WSU, they will sing and dance as the rest of the teams are playing games in Vegas or NY Madison Garden or Chicago.

This is one of the most horrendous ideas out there and why government shouldn't be involved.

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kcgregory 1 year, 2 months ago

In the past (it may have been prior to Self's arrival) it has been proposed to play the games at Allen Fieldhouse or, at the very least, 2 for 1 -- 2 in Allen to one in Wichita. WSU stance has been to want a 1 for 1 exchange.

Now, if WSU wants to come play in Allen with no return games, I actually think that makes sense for KU. Why not schedule WSU as opposed to out of state like programs such as SLU, Richmond, and the like. WSU is usually one of the stronger mid-majors so it could help SOS and boost interest (if that's possible) across the state. We schedule Emporia and Hays as exhibitions based on their locality. I don't see why the same couldn't be true of WSU for a non-con game, all else being equal. I also think that arrangement could make sense for Wichita St if they would just get over themselves and make it happen.

It makes no sense for KU to ever to go to Wichita. It won't get done without it being legislated and despite this bill I think that's unlikely.

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Sam Constance 1 year, 2 months ago

Apparently self-censored posts expressing displeasure with the legislature for wasting their time on such a frivolous "cause" is worthy of deletion without even a "this comment removed for violation" notice.

Is it against the TOS to use "[expletive]" in a post?

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Ludwig Supraphonic 1 year, 2 months ago

Could Sen. O'Donnell really guarantee a sellout at AFH?

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hawkbono1313 1 year, 2 months ago

Easy victory for KU every year. Wichita State is one of the most overrated programs in college basketball.

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Travis Shinkle 1 year, 2 months ago

I guess I am indifferent as long as the games are played in Lawrence versus home and home. I don't think playing the game will do any harm to KU's RPI (it will help Wichita State) but KU already plays a fairly tough non-con virtually every year...so the legislature is looking to force them to play other one? Not good. Let Coach and the AD figure their own non-con schedule out...

By the way, Missouri still sucks.

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Joe Joseph 1 year, 2 months ago

Are the Koch brothers WSU fans? If so, this is a done deal.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 1 year, 2 months ago

Tell WSU they can usually find us in the Final Four if they would like to meet us!!!

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stinkybulldog 1 year, 2 months ago

Maybe they can replace Ft. Hays State on next years preseason schedule.

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Hurinfan 1 year, 2 months ago

It won't pass. Bill Self isn't opposed to playing Wichita State it would just have to be in Allen Fieldhouse every time. He's just treating WSU like every other mid-major we play. I really don't know why WSU fans are so butthurt about this.

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Alan Braun 1 year, 2 months ago

We don't play them for the same reason we won't play Missouri anymore. There's nothing in it for us. Gives them more money; we sell out our place anyway. Would get them on TV more. Give them more credibility with the in-state recruits we may also be trying to get. Nothing to gain, lots to lose.

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clevelandjayhawker 1 year, 2 months ago

Im cool with this......if its for football also

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texashawk10 1 year, 2 months ago

I would love to see KU and WSU start playing again and if it takes state involvement, so be it because we all know it's not happening anytime soon if it's left up to school administrations. I'm glad this bill isn't a top priority though and it will probably die like last time.

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claycountyjayhawk 1 year, 2 months ago

Not really sure why we don't play them anyways. i would drive to wichita to watch it. (:

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adamjhwkfan 1 year, 2 months ago

Another somethin' for nothin' idea that could only be cooked up in the political arena.

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