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Originally published December 12, 2013 at 03:54p.m., updated December 13, 2013 at 12:20a.m.

Jayhawks held players-only team meeting day after loss to Florida

Sophomore forward Perry Ellis calls session productive

Kansas players and head coach Bill Self huddle together in the second half on Tuesday, Dec. 10, 2013 at O'Connell Center in Gainesville, Florida.

Kansas players and head coach Bill Self huddle together in the second half on Tuesday, Dec. 10, 2013 at O'Connell Center in Gainesville, Florida.

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Kansas University’s basketball players did not practice on Wednesday, the day after a 67-61 loss at Florida.

The Jayhawks did sign basketballs, however, then gathered as a group in the locker room, hoping a players-only meeting would help the (6-3) squad bust a slump that has included three losses in four games.

“Everybody got in a circle. Everybody spoke out and said what they wanted to say. (The floor was) free for anybody, even freshmen. We all just spoke out to each other, just tried to dig deep,” sophomore forward Perry Ellis said.

It was reminiscent of a players-only meeting held last February after the second game of what turned out to be a three-game losing streak.

“It’s definitely something I could talk about,” Ellis said of last year’s slide that meant nothing in the big scheme of things. KU won a share of the Big 12 regular-season title, took the conference tournament and reached the Sweet 16, finishing 31-6 overall.

“I was in that situation. I could try to help these guys out and try to show them you can turn it around. Even the hard times last season when we lost the three games (to Oklahoma State, TCU and Oklahoma), just looking up to the senior guys, they really turned it around. We all got together like this year, learned how to compete and follow what coach (Bill Self) is saying. We did everything coach Self was saying and it paid off,” Ellis added.

It doesn’t get easier as KU on Saturday meets New Mexico (7-1) at 6 p.m. in Kansas City’s Sprint Center.

“I mean like last year, there’s extra effort each of us can give,” Ellis said. “To come into practice and games not thinking selfishly, just thinking of the team, just thinking about Kansas basketball.”

The meeting re-energized Ellis, who said he was definitely looking forward to practices leading to the next game.

“Just hearing everybody ... everybody wants to get better and you can really see it,” Ellis said. “Everybody wants to learn. I feel this will be a great opportunity to turn things around and just learn.”

KU coach Self, whose 2008 NCAA title team held a players-only meeting after a crushing loss at Oklahoma State in February, never losing again that campaign, said he approved of Wednesday’s team meeting.

“Those things are the most overrated things ever,” Self said with a smile. “I do think it’s good they talk, so I am all for that. We’ve had teams do that every year. You guys (media) make a big deal out of nothing. In all honesty, teams should be doing that every week. You should have some type of meeting every week and discuss certain things.”

Leadership: Self said leaders must emerge and emerge soon.

“I’m talking the guy who will huddle everybody up or (say), ‘Hey guys, it’s all fragmented. This is what we’re going to do.’ We don’t have that yet. When you’ve got three guys looking at the bench and two guys are saying, ‘Well, I told them to run this, they didn’t hear me.’ That’s frustrating. There’s an effort to do what’s right, but it’s not being executed,” Self stated.

“Naadir (Tharpe junior point guard) is the one guy who has intangibles to be that and do that,” Self added. “For us to have a really good year this year, Naadir has to step up. There’s no other way around it. I believe he will. He’s in a little bit of a funk right now, but he’s going to get out of it. ... I’d welcome anybody else, but to me, he (Tharpe) has the most qualities to do it.”

Fab four: Self was asked if he’ll start four freshmen (Andrew Wiggins, Wayne Selden, Frank Mason, Joel Embiid) and soph Perry Ellis a second straight game.

“We could switch up because we had some guys not play the best,” Self said. “You look at it over time, what’s best for our team? It’s to get our best players playing their best. It’s not like punishment if you go to the bench. We may have a change or two. I’m going to wait and evaluate practice the next two days.”

Cliff explodes: KU signee Cliff Alexander, a 6-foot-9 senior center ranked No. 4 in the recruiting Class of 2014 by Rivals.com, scored 30 points with 24 rebounds and 15 blocks in Chicago Curie’s 70-54 victory over Dunbar on Thursday as reported by d1circuit.com.

Merv’s coming back: Former KU guard Merv Lindsay, a 6-7 sophomore wing from Moreno Valley, Calif., has played 16 minutes total in four of New Mexico’s eight games. He has hit his one shot attempt on the season. He’s 0-for-2 from the line with two rebounds.

Comments

Tony Bandle 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Meeting Notes I'd want to see:

1] Do what the coach says!!

2] Bust your a$$ 60/40!!

3] Play brave, not scared!!

4] Drive!!

5] Get Wiggins the damn ball!!

6] Play some defense!!

7] Have fun!!

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Brian Powell 8 months, 2 weeks ago

good list, but I've move #6 up to 1b :)

"PLAY ALL THE DEFENSE!"

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Len Shaffer 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Another one that should be on the list: Block out and stop letting teams get second chance after second chance.

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Popy Suthiwan 8 months, 3 weeks ago

8] Stop turning the ball over!!

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John Randall 8 months, 3 weeks ago

WRONG emphasis! Start making crisper, smarter passes.

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Popy Suthiwan 8 months, 2 weeks ago

It's kind of hard to make crisper, smarter passes when you dribble the ball off your foot and turn it over!

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Robert Brock 8 months, 3 weeks ago

On offense: Move. Screen. Fight for position. Find the creases in zones; get the ball there.

On defense: Don't go under screens. Play D by moving your feet, not reaching with your hands.

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Joel Teply 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Should have held it before that game

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John Randall 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Brilliant –– should remove cranium from anus before commenting.

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Rodney Crain 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Your post applies to you as well John.

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Walter Bridges 8 months, 2 weeks ago

I don';t know..it was pretty funny.

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Rodney Crain 8 months, 2 weeks ago

They don't edit for a lack of class or respect Walter. It was unnecessary.

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Glen Miller 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Possibly the first sign of leadership and accountability. If they were all able to really speak up and express concerns and hash out what was expected of them from here on out then this was a good meeting. Coach Self was right, this really should happen regularly. Hopefully it was constructive critisism and the players all really listened to one another, especially the guys who have been here and can lead these young pups to the KU way.

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Rodney Crain 8 months, 3 weeks ago

A step in the right direction for a team that does not talk on the court, I will take off the court at this point.

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Yolanda Gay 8 months, 3 weeks ago

This team needs a leader on the floor as well.

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Armen Kurdian 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Why do so many people make snarky replies to comments? "Oh brilliant!" "Remove anus from cranium or something!" It's getting tiresome.

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Mark Lindrud 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Communicate on and off the court. Intensity, aggression, teamwork, make plays for each other and fight for rebounds like your life depended on it.

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Preston Dwiggins 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Where did some of the previous comments go?

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Bryce Landon 8 months, 2 weeks ago

I guess we'll see if this meeting produces the desired results on Saturday. Hopefully someone had the balls to go postal on his teammates the way Julian Wright did in 2006.

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John Strayer 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Personally I think Wiggins needs to be less selfish if this team is going to succeed. He has got to be a consistent scorer...particularly when the team hits a lit scoring drought and really needs a score...he should take the initiative to try and make a shot.

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Kye Clark 8 months, 2 weeks ago

I think then you mean he needs to be MORE selfish.

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Jeff Kilgore 8 months, 2 weeks ago

For those who have been carping and sniping at other posters here: why? We're all KU fans, and no one person has all the answers. Neither does Self. He's human. But we've all seen in the past 10 years that he has enough answers to keep all of us very excited!

Even when you disagree with another person, you can do so in a collegial manner. After all, this site is discussing college players in a college town in which there have to be college graduates commenting. KLGTRN

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Eldon Slife 8 months, 2 weeks ago

I live near Everett, WA. (just north of Seattle) and would like to see more KU games on TV. Does anyone know of a nearby sports bar (or any place else) that carries the games? Thanks in advance for your help.

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Jack Wilson 8 months, 2 weeks ago

After the KU game, Suzi posted the following here: "Four times Mason drove to the basket, every time he had guys open for a dunk but he chose to take the shot...and missed or was blocked."

In response, I said that her comment was a complete fabrication. After losses, folks create their own fiction many times. I had re-watched the game. Sally then went back and pointed out four separate times she believes Mason blew lob dunk opportunities (on Wednesday). I saw that yesterday and reviewed last night.

As I said Wednesday, saying Mason blew lob dunk chances "Four times" was a fabrication. It is made even worse that Suzi then came back, essentially for more, claiming "Four times" to be true. Again that claim is a fabrication.

The reason this stuff bothers me so much is that I come from the position that reasonable criticism and critique is why we are here. We are passionate. We love the Hawks. But too many times, folks do just make stuff up. Many times the comments are tough to refute. But not here. It just took a little work. Below I'll hit on each of the four that Suzy claims were missed opportunities for "lob dunks."

As I told Suzi, there were not "Four times" where Mason blew lob dunks. She insists that there are four. My review here sees two where I have no idea what she’s talking about. Not even close. The third I can see where someone might think he could lob it, but it wasn’t plausible. The fourth, it seemed plausible to me.

Importantly, I’m not saying (and didn't say) that Mason didn’t screw up some plays. I’m focusing on the claim of four missed “lob dunk” chances Sally claimed. There weren’t four. Really just one, and the choice Mason made on the play was to try a bounce pass to the teammate in question, not to shoot.

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Elias Dunlavy 8 months, 2 weeks ago

You went all internet warrior on everybody. Your commnets are longer than the article man

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Walter Bridges 8 months, 2 weeks ago

jaybate left thoughtful and well articulated comments..not one line insults.

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Suzi Marshall 8 months, 2 weeks ago

I had that thought as well. But the referred to plays are examples of how close Kansas is to being a truly great team. The four examples HEM and I are debating resulted in only one point, fouls and turnovers. But simultaneously they show how well prepared we were for the UF game. We just did not finish plays. I can easily see this team losing 10 games, going into the tournament as a 6 seed but one of the favorites to win it all.

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Benz Junque 8 months, 2 weeks ago

I cannot "easily" see this team losing 10 games. Sorry, but I can't. Even if they lost two of their remaining non-con games (which I doubt) that would leave them with five losses in conference. Even if I give them an unexpected home loss (let's say Okie State) that would still be four road losses. Do we really think there are four road losses in the Big 12? Okie State, Iowa State, maybe Texas or Oklahoma. Let's not frak out people. That is a remote possibility, not an "easy to see" option.

And 10 loses would make it impossible to get as high as a 6 seed. The at-large bis to teams with double digit losses last year all got between a 7-13 seed. I simply do not see that happening.

After watching KU's three game losing streak last year, people were freaking out saying that they could "easily" lose out, that they had no leader, no outside shooters and no heart. It's what fans do, especially KU fans. Many of us have been burned by earlier than expected tourney exits and are now resigned to gloom and doom at the first sign of a less than dominant stretch by KU.

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Suzi Marshall 8 months, 2 weeks ago

I'm extremely high on this teams! If we get it going by the tournament, we can do a Towson all the way to the Championship. It all depends if/when we get our guard situation fixed. We could lose another non-con game. The Big 12 has 4 teams that can compete for the NC ....Kansas, OSU, Baylor and ISU.. Additionally Texas and OU are showing signs of being a treat. The road games with the big 3 will be extremely tough. We could have 4 conference defeats and win or tie for the championship. My biggest fear are always losses in AFH. I pray that does not happen. Self has a mountain of a job but we are close and he is one of the best coach/teachers around. This year could be the turning point for a giant Self dynasty over the next few years, aka UCLA and John W.

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Benz Junque 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Yeesh. This horse is dead; let's stop beating it for crying out loud.

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Walter Bridges 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Really? What the hell does it matter? I'm not used to this version of HEM who would make his point and move on.

Why the obsession?

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Jack Wilson 8 months, 2 weeks ago

The first one to look is the drive at 19:50 of the second half. Sally claimed that Embiid was in position to spin for the dunk with a good pass. In her second post, she didn’t mention “lob dunk”, of course. See the picture below. Embiid was posting up with two men around him and one backside. The frame shown is right as Mason is shooting. But plainly this is not a “lob dunk” that Mason missed. Could something different have been created by Mason? But no “lob dunk” to Embiid. Embiid was post up.

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Suzi Marshall 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Jack, this is bordering on getting out of hand but the debate is fun. FYI, The play was there to make. As I said in my post, Mason began the drive with 3 UF players in the paint. Young came up to make the stop while Embiid got the inside position with his left leg ready to seal off young once he got the ball. A bounce pass or a lob was there was there before Frazier moved on the right. Embiid had great position to make the play. Mason did not make the pass and tried to shoot it over Young but got blocked then committed a foul. .Mason needs to be able to execute this play before he attempts things like this against quality opponents.

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Jack Wilson 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Trying to be nice here, but it is patently delusional to expect Mason to throw a lob for a dunk to guy who is posting up.

How that works is if the posting player slips the defender and spins, then the pass is made. You even say it .. "Embiid had great position to make the play." Mason can't control Embiid. Sometimes that sort of post and spin is a called play. So is Mason just supposed to flip that to the rim with Embiid posting up?

And look where Mason is .. tight .. and Embiid is still posting up.

Good grief.

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Suzi Marshall 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Mason needed to make the play a spit second before this picture when he was not so tight and before Frazier entered the photo. A bounce pass may have been a better play but the lob was also there since Young was coming up. Seriously, look how close this is to being a big time play. It turned out to be a foul and turn over on Mason but the kid has some guts to make this attempt. Another great example of why Self loves Mason.... and he has All American written all over him if he continues to learn to make these plays. My concern is that is probably will not be THIS year when we have Wiggins and Embiid.

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Benz Junque 8 months, 2 weeks ago

EMBIID needed to make the play a split second before, not Mason. All of the KU bigs are having this problem this year. They are a little late getting themselves into good position or they are setting up a little too low where the guards can't l;ob them a pass. The guards are getting screamed at to keep the ball moving. They aren't going to pause and stand there to wait for the bigs to get themselves in position. By then the guards are covered and cannot do anything.

If Mason lobs a pass into Embiid at the point of this picture he has to lead it far enough over his head that he would be almost completely under the backboard. Embiid didn't get their fast enough or set up high enough to leave room for any type of good pass to be made.

Instead of thinking about what Mason missed out on, try to think about why he chose to do one thing versus another. Do you really think that Mason wants to be taking that shot he chose? If Embiid was there and ready he would have fed him. ALL of the KU freshmen are moving too slow and frankly, so is Ellis. They need to sharpen it up and move with more purpose. They are reacting instead of creating.

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Suzi Marshall 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Two, I hate to continue beating this horse but this play one that got us all excited. It started out with nothing...three UF players in the paint. Nothing there at all. Then Mason started what I thought to be an insane drive but made some good things happen! I thought Embiids position was great and the play was to throw up a lob to let him finish with a dunk. One of the errors Embiid tends to do is go up, catch the ball, return to earth, then tries to go up again. Remember how TRob and others would catch the pass and continue to the hole? Embiid needs to learn to do that. He certainly has the athleticism.

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Benz Junque 8 months, 2 weeks ago

You obviously DON'T hate to continue to beat the dead horse. It's your opinion, duly noted. Did HEM come on a little strong? Sure, but enough.

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Jack Wilson 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Seriously, tell me what Mason is to do?

Mason is to just throw the ball at the rim, assuming that Embiid will immediately turn, be able to seal, and get there in time; that Embiid will not assume that the pass is to another player; and that Embiid has the right leverage at the moment of the pass to be able to bounce and turn?

Then you'd complain about a turnover.

And right .. a bounce pass would have been the better play, but that's not the issue. I agree.

The issue is you claiming that Mason missed four lob dunks.

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Suzi Marshall 8 months, 2 weeks ago

He could have made the lob dunk. Look HEM, I watch these games with some very good former players. Every one of these were spotted in real time as they played out. We all sat together as watched the replay after the game, just as Self and other coaches do. Mason does not seem to be able to make these kinds of plays now but give the guy buckets of credit...he sure in hell is trying and learning. If Mason can line out and make these plays this year....Kansas will destroy with revenge in our heart. The realist in me says Alexander will be the true recipient of Mason's growth.

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Benz Junque 8 months, 2 weeks ago

You have officialy reached Rain Man status. Let it go. No one cares. It is not against the law of the message board to post a gut feeling right after watching a game. What she stated was what she felt she saw. It doesn't matter if it was 100% factual. What she saw led her to believe that. It's called an OPINION.

MOVE ON. No one is reading this stuff. It's getting flat out uncomfortable to watch you melt down like this. Kinda awkward now...

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Jack Wilson 8 months, 2 weeks ago

The next situation is at 12:26 of the first half. Sally claims “Mason drove the lane with Wiggins coming open underneath for a dunk” Wrong. Mason drove and Wiggins was just inside the three point line in the far corner. See the first picture. Then as Mason begins his shot, Wiggins moves to the hoop. See second picture. No “lob dunk” to Wiggins there.

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Suzi Marshall 8 months, 2 weeks ago

The lob dunk to Wiggins was there. At the exact point of the second photo is when Mason should have put in up for Wiggins. Young had stepped up to cut off Mason and Black sealed him off from the play. Wiggins was coming in from the wing hard and fast. He had a full head of steam to get up and make the play. If Frazier had tried to stop the dunk it probably would have resulted in an and 1. Again, another bet Self is going over this photo with Mason and the team as an example of how close we are to playing and making great plays.

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Benz Junque 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Good grief. Virtually EVERY PLAY in EVERY GAME can be broken down to see that perhaps something different that is a slightly higher percentage might have been possible.

Mason is told by Self to attack the basket so he attacked the basket. Did he do what he was told? YES. Now you think Self is going to bust his chops because he MIGHT have been able to get a pass over the two defenders who are much taller than him? Get real.

He has the snap of the fingers to make a decision. He saw a gap and he charged it. I have ZERO problem with that. He'll learn to make these shots more as he tries them.

Quite frankly, the real problem in these two photos is that Wiggins did not attack earlier enough. If he had charged a little harder a little earlier Mason might have been able to see that he had a shot at the lob. In the first picture, Mason is about to step on his left foot, the foot that he jumped off of to take his shot. He was already committed to the shot at this point and did not have the lob since Wiggins was still all the way at the three point line being well-guarded.

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Suzi Marshall 8 months, 2 weeks ago

If you go back and watch this, what was amazing to see was how quickly Wiggins covered that space. Normally I'd probably agree he was late coming in from the wing but if you watch the tapes of these games, Wiggins is amazing how quickly he covers ground. Benz, in the play Young moved up to cut off the drive. Look how Black has Young blocked out and Wiggins open to make the play. Like I said if Frazier tried to stop the play, it probably would have been an and 1. This is an example of the guys needing to mature and practice. When a little guy is going to drive into the trees he has to know where everyone is and likely developments.

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Benz Junque 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Again, the pass to Wiggins was a lower percentage than the shot he took. It's really not that complicated. It's easy to picture best case scenario from our couches, folks.

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Jack Wilson 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Again, I'm sorry, that is delusional too.

Mason was releasing his shot and Wiggins was just getting to his spot. He wasn't coming in hard. If you watch replay, Wiggins didn't even jump at the rim on the shot. I assume you saw that.

Heck, why not just flick it up and lob it to Traylor on the near block? By your logic that's a dunk too.

Now, passing to Wiggins might be another story.

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Suzi Marshall 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Wiggins was moving hard to the basket. Look how much ground was covered in the space of those two frames you show. Wiggins was a better target because position would have allowed him to better use his athleticism to complete the play. Yes Traylor was a possibility but...

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Jack Wilson 8 months, 2 weeks ago

The third situation is on a break at the 8:50 mark of the second half. Sally claims Mason should have lobbed it to Black or Ellis for the dunk. In this situation, Sally ignores what Mason faces. First, the Florida defender closed out on him hard and attacked the ball on the wing cutting him off. Then, Mason had to gather himself as he turned back in, the second Florida defender (Prather) jumped right at him. This was the one where Mason was fouled and slammed to the floor. He went to the line. But there was no real chance to lob to Black with what Mason was faced with there, and certainly not Ellis. Prather jumped with arms extended and slammed Mason to the ground. I don’t think there’s a chance Mario Chalmers makes the play Sally expects Mason to.

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Suzi Marshall 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Wrong again. It was Wilbekin that at this point went for a steal forcing Prather to defend Mason’s drive. At that point we had a 3 on one with Black open in front of the basket for a lob dunk. Ellis was coming in from the weak side wing, also open for a lob dunk or bounch pass with a clear path to the basket…for a dunk. Mason instead went for the shot and was fouled making 1 or 2. The moment Wibekin went buy was the time to make the lob. As things go in elite D 1 ball, Mason should have made this play as he had a 3-1 at that point.

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Benz Junque 8 months, 2 weeks ago

What are you talking about? In this picture Black is still only at the free throw line (not under the basket) and there are already three Florida players closer to the basket than three KU players. Either Ellis is the world's slowest runner and was passed by two Florida defenders or you are simply ignoring what you are seeing.

If Mason throws a pass to the rim at the point of this picture, the Florida defender iin front of Black picks that off easily. There is a guy right in front of Mason so he would have had to throw a high arcing pass to get it there. Black was hitting the brakes wihile the Florida guiy is still sprinting hard.

And again, you are complining about him going to the rim (WHAT HIS COACH TELLS HIM TO DO) and drawing a foul? I will take Mason at the line and another foul on the opposition any time over hoping and praying that Black can make an athletic play in transition. He is not fleet footed. He does not have good hands and he does not finish well in transition. I think if that was Wiggins or Selden instead of Black that Mason might have considered it but get real, that pass to Black isn't the best choice. Odds are f he throws it that Self chews him out for not attacking the rim.

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Suzi Marshall 8 months, 2 weeks ago

No way am I complaining about him going to the rim I'm ecstatic about it. This is another play that Mason made things happen but just could not complete the play. The play developed when the defender in from of him, Wilbekin went for the steal. Prather, to Mason left, then committed to Mason. By that time Black was under the basket and Ellis was on the wing....3 -1 at that point. The time to put up the pass was when Wilbeken missed the steal and Prather committed. I'm pretty sure Self is probably looking at these exact plays.

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Benz Junque 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Again, all a great idea from the comfort of home. You are putting way too much time into this for no reason. Mason didn't make the wrong play.

There is a "could have maybe" that might have been able to lead to a different outcome on virtually every single play of every game. To even be having this conversation is pointless.

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Jack Wilson 8 months, 2 weeks ago

The question here is whether, after the Fla. defender goes for the steal, whether Mason could make the pass. He didn't have the opportunity.

And even after that, you expect Mason to throw a cross court lob to Ellis?

It's hard to argue with this kind of logic. I know you think that's it's easy or expected that guys just throw lobs for dunks, but it just doesn't happen that way.

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Suzi Marshall 8 months, 2 weeks ago

The play was there. Mason has to be able to complete this kind of play.

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Benz Junque 8 months, 2 weeks ago

No, he has to be smart enough to not attempt this kind of play. A pass is always a lower percentage play than a dribble. Mason has to drive to the rim and get a foul and hopefully finish. If they were up 12 and looking to rev up the home crowd and step on the neck of an opponent teetering on the edge of losing then throw it. If you are trying to come back from down 11 with less than 9 minutes in the 2nd half on the road you NEVER try that.

Mason needs to try to win games, not try to make SportsCenter. He made the best percentage decision.

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Suzi Marshall 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Shooting the ball for a sub 6' guy over Prather coming at him is a difficult proposition. I'll be satisfied with Self's conclusion about how to go forward with situations like this. Many of the great Kansas guards (JoJo White, Heinrich, Vaughn, Valentine, Kivisto, Chalmers,...) has made this play.

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Jack Wilson 8 months, 2 weeks ago

The fourth situation was at the 14:20 of the first half, Sally says Mason had Traylor for a lob dunk. Traylor wasn’t on the floor. She means Embiid. I do see this one as plausible. There was a defender in the middle of the lane to defend the lob, but it was certainly a possibility if Mason would have slowed up. In the picture below, you’ll see Mason attempting to bounce it over to Embiid. The defender kicked it away. But this is one that Sally suggested was a lob dunk Mason missed. If Mason were to have slowed a bit, a lob to Embiid could have worked if the defender in the lane didn’t jump to stop it, because he was in position to. If Mason didn’t penetrate, don’t know where he goes. But again, a lob here certainly seem plausible and not difficult.

But the bounce pass attempt by Mason would have been acceptable in my book if it weren’t to a 7 footer. It would have been an easy dunk since the defender moved toward Mason as he penetrated. But again, why bounce pass your 7 footer on the break? A slow down and lob to Embiid, or even dumping it to Traylor might have been the best option.

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Rodney Crain 8 months, 2 weeks ago

HEM me thinks you protest to much, and in to much detail...

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Suzi Marshall 8 months, 2 weeks ago

I think the lob would have been the better play because UF’s Finney-Smith closed hard on Mason. With Embiid moving strong to the basket, this is the point to make the lob. This was one of Mason's worst plays of the night where he was called for a push off foul. Self took him out immediately after this one.

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Benz Junque 8 months, 2 weeks ago

How about we focus on the guards cutting down on their massively glaring errors that resulted in the obscene number of turnovers, not these inane, tiny little changes that might not have made any difference? Of all the things that Mason could have done differently to help the team win, these four moments rank near the bottom right above "remember to wear your lucky socks".

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Rodney Crain 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Guess what, you both have different perspectives, imagine that. For the love of everything holy please let it go. :)

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Elias Dunlavy 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Team meeting at Henry Ts for chicken strips?

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Preston Dwiggins 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Looks like we could use Cliff's talents asap. Holy cow he had a great night last night!

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Robin Smith 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Much ado about nothing. None of the losses bothered me.

This team is just fine. It's all part of growing up.

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Beau Woolsey 8 months, 2 weeks ago

I get excited now when KU gets a rebound.

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Benz Junque 8 months, 2 weeks ago

In athletics, confidence needs to come before a reason to be confident when you are doing things for the first time. You have to believe that you can accomplish something before you will ever be able to accomplish it.

These young players need to believe that they know exactly what to do and that their preparation has given them enough know how to solve any problem. They cannot let a few failures on possessions rattle that notion.

I am looking for KU to come out aggressive against New Mexico. UNM has been a good team in recent years but they haven't really shown much this year. They got smoked by UMass by 16 in the only game against a decent team they have played. They rest of the teams they have played have been ultra-creampuffs except for a mediocre Cincinnati team.

If KU can get at least one of New Mexico's Big Three (Bairstow, Williams, Kirk) in foul trouble and to the bench, they should have an easier time of it.

Be aggressive, be aggressive, be aggressive. I am fine with mistakes so long as they are mistakes made with aggression. If they are attacking and forcing the action they will win. If they are passive, watching and reacting to the action they will lose.

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Walter Bridges 8 months, 2 weeks ago

HEM/Suzi, go somewhere private watch the game - make like rabbits and move the F*** On!

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Erich Hartmann 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Haha, look at how you sound, Walter. That was entertaining. Keep up the not-very-bright posts that you are so good at. I've been scrolling thru comments under each story to see more laughable tidbits from your brain.

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Erich Hartmann 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Game Summary: Freshman without chemistry. 24 Turnovers. Get better and play on.

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