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Monday, April 29, 2013

Keegan

Opinion: Note to Self: Hire Mitchell Wiggins

McDonald's East All-American's Andrew Wiggins looks up during the first half of the McDonald's All-American boys basketball game in Chicago, Wednesday, April 3, 2013.

McDonald's East All-American's Andrew Wiggins looks up during the first half of the McDonald's All-American boys basketball game in Chicago, Wednesday, April 3, 2013.

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I have no idea whether former NBA guard Mitchell Wiggins has any coaching experience, but I sure would ask him if he has any interest in trying out the profession if I were one of the four schools recruiting his son, Andrew Wiggins.

Does Mitchell Wiggins have a personality that lends itself to recruiting elite high school basketball players, which involves communicating with parents, high school coaches and AAU coaches? Beats me.

Does he have any recruiting contacts? He has had regular contact with the most coveted high school basketball recruit since Greg Oden, and that would be good enough for me to pull the trigger on hiring him.

Package deals, even though nobody can admit they are package deals, have a tendency to work. Just look at the last two of Kansas University’s three NCAA basketball tournament titles.

Ed Manning, Danny’s late father, joined Larry Brown’s staff at Kansas, and it worked splendidly for all parties involved. With Ed’s son, Danny, leading the way, Kansas won a national title. Brown remains the only coach to win both an NBA and NCAA championship, so it worked for him. Danny won a national title at Kansas, was one of the greatest college basketball players of all time and was the No. 1 selection in the NBA Draft, so the arrangement clearly worked for him. Ed launched a coaching career that took him back to the NBA, where he had played for the Baltimore Bullets, Chicago Bulls and Portland Trail Blazers. Ed Manning was an assistant for Brown with the San Antonio Spurs and then became a scout for the organization. He made the most of the opportunity to coach at Kansas.

Twenty years later, Kansas won another national title, and Ronnie Chalmers was KU’s director of basketball operations. The title restricts how much a DOP can do, so the elder Chalmers didn’t get in the way too much. The arrangement worked for him. He drew a nice salary and had a great seat to all of his son’s college games, including the one in which he made the three-pointer that sent the game into overtime dominated by Kansas in a national-title-game victory against Memphis. The arrangement worked for Kansas, which won a national title, and it worked for Mario Chalmers as well. He learned how to play with talented teammates at Kansas. That became useful for Chalmers, who started all 23 playoff games for the 2012 NBA champions, the Miami Heat, led by LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

Know two things about most people who make a living in sports: 1. They’re superstitious; 2. They either claim they’re not superstitious or they keep their superstitions to themselves and downplay the importance of them.

How could any Kansas fan with a superstitious bone in his or her body not want Mitchell Wiggins to land a coaching job on Bill Self’s staff, although the option of hiring him as a director of basketball operations no longer is an option because of an NCAA rule change. It’s full-blown assistant or bust now. NCAA bylaw 11.4.2 doesn’t word it exactly that way, but it amounts to that.

It’s not as if Mitchell Wiggins doesn’t know anything about basketball. In two seasons at Florida State, he averaged 23.2 points and 8.9 rebounds per game. He played six NBA seasons.

Mitchell Wiggins, along with Houston Rockets teammate Lewis Loyd, served a two-year suspension for testing positive for cocaine. Is that alone reason not to consider hiring him? That happened more than 26 years ago, so the answer is no.

Does Mitchell Wiggins have a gift for teaching basketball? Well, since his son is the No. 1 recruit in the nation, my guess would be yes.

I can’t think of a single reason not to see at least if Mitchell Wiggins has any interest in not just watching his son play one year of college basketball but get paid to do so and have full access to him as a member of his college of choice’s coaching staff.

Comments

JayHawkFanToo 1 year, 4 months ago

I suggested the same thing many days ago. Nice to know your a on board with the idea.

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nuleafjhawk 1 year, 4 months ago

Not trying to be negative, but it was you and about 10 million other Jayhawk fans that suggested that !!! Great minds........

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JayHawkFanToo 1 year, 4 months ago

Nule, not that s a big deal, but I believe I was the first one to post in this forum on this issue on the "Coach Dooley gest hired by FGCU..." 11 days ago:

"Doc Saddler would seem the logical choice...and Andre Wiggins father as the new Director of Basketball Operations. Just kidding on the second part."

In any case, I don't think it will happen, but UK cannot hire him either as State school normally have rules against having more than one "paid" employees from the same family

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Kent Wells 1 year, 4 months ago

Thank goodness Billy Gillispie doesn't have a son that can hoop....

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David Leathers 1 year, 4 months ago

Maybe if Doc leaves you could offer Mitch the DoOP and still hire a quality assistant that will give the team good leads in a different recruiting region. Other than that, I don't know...

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rockchalk_dpu 1 year, 4 months ago

There was a rule change instituted after the 2008 title that prohibits parents from getting hired in that position. Keegan made reference to it as well...

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KEITHMILES05 1 year, 4 months ago

It has to be hired as a coach and not a director of operations.

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Robert Rauktis 1 year, 4 months ago

"How could any Kansas fan with a superstitious bone in his or her body not want Mitchell Wiggins to land a coaching job on Bill Self’s staff, "

Nope.

But if I was advising this man, I'd have him get a contract somewhere with a buy out clause in six figures and then send his son to a DIFFERENT school. If this worked for Cal, he'd have a new coaching staff every year. Joseph, the father of the next best thing.

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ameraidi 1 year, 4 months ago

With the amount of money that Wiggins is going to be making in two years....I don't think that his father or entire family have to worry about getting jobs ever again :-s

Just sayin..

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Max Ledom 1 year, 4 months ago

I don't think people realize that recruiting Mitchell is the same as recruiting his son. Mitchell is only going where his son is going. So if he goes to KU sure he will take the spot. If he goes elsewhere Mitchell will have no problem watching his son from the stands. No effect on Wiggins recruitment process.

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Robert Brown 1 year, 4 months ago

If that were to happen then the program would have a sleazy reputation on par with Kentucky. At least Chalmers and Manning had some coaching experience.

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Phil Leister 1 year, 4 months ago

Exactly. And I'm not sure what would entire daddy Wiggins to wanna coach his son anyways. They don't need the money.

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trustyourSelf 1 year, 4 months ago

Thank you! It would be a total sleazeball move. Along with what you said, Manning and Chalmers were also on staff for 3 and 4 years. If you hire Wiggins, it's guaranteed for just a year. If this move were to happen where we get father and son Wiggins, my skin would crawl.

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BeckP 1 year, 4 months ago

Hmm... did you not read the article? 2 out of our 3 championships are cuz we cheated. How are we going to say kentucky has a sleezy reputation when we're the ones who have cheated?! Doesn't matter how many years manning and chalmers were on staff, they were hired for one reason and 1 reason only!

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DRsmith 1 year, 4 months ago

Holy smokes. Kudos to you if you are really a KU fan.

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79ictjhawk 1 year, 4 months ago

A "fan" all the way back to 4/12/13!

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Alex Staley 1 year, 4 months ago

whoa hold up there! It wasn't cheating. There was nothing illegal about it. The rule against it was instituted later.

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Matt Gauntt 1 year, 4 months ago

Pretty much the same article was on Jayhawk Talk 4 days ago. Plagerize much?

http://jayhawk-talk.com/tag/mitchell-wiggins/

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Matt Gauntt 1 year, 4 months ago

A) You knew what I meant, so the message got across, B) I really didn't care enough to look it up, C) Thanks for being my nanny. I 'll be sure to ask the next time I need a word spelled correctly since you obviously delight in such mundane things. BTW - I wouldn't be surprised if I mis-spelled a word in this response and I truly don't care if I did or not.

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Joe Ross 1 year, 4 months ago

You have your big-boy pants on today, huh? Regarding "C", perhaps you could use a spell-checking nanny. LOL!

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johnsont1 1 year, 4 months ago

A simple 'thank you' would have made more sense, CHM. Instead you got defensive and articulated three points in a paragraph trying to justify that you really don't care that you misspelled a word... I would say you do care a little bit, because when you misspell a word and someone points it out you get pretty defensive

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Matt Gauntt 1 year, 4 months ago

No, I really don't care. I just find it funny that now two tools find it important to point it out. I believe this is a sports article not a English literature page.

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kufankam 1 year, 4 months ago

He only called you out on it because you called out the author... Plagiarism has to do with writing/English. You called out someone on their writing/English. You got called out on YOUR writing/English. It makes perfect sense, so don't go getting all bent out of shape.

Oh, by the way... it's "an" English-Lit Page, not "a"... LOL!

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Sam Constance 1 year, 4 months ago

"I didn't really care enough to look it up"

I'm not one to correct spelling online, but your response to jross1972's comment kind of prompted me to chime in. This (the quote above) is an attitude I simply don't understand. You're sharing your opinion with the message board through the written word. This means what you write represents you. Of course people will misspell words from time to time, or even commit typos, but this notion of "meh, I'm too lazy to look up a given word" is just so foreign to me when it's so easy to do.

I mean, you're already on the internet and Google is just a tab away. You don't even have to expend any effort--just type the misspelled version into the search bar and Google will correct it for you. Take some pride in how you share your opinion.

All that being said, excellent point about the article being, ah... "inspired" by Jayhawk Talk.

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Steve Zimmerman 1 year, 4 months ago

Thanks to both Kegan & Matt - now fans can enjoy both articles. I wouldn't have thought this hiring was a possibility - not knowing how great of a player Wiggins sr. was and given the coaching staff vacancy here.

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actorman 1 year, 4 months ago

Chicago, you're right on the mark. It's pretty sleazy and lazy to basically copy another article (not to mention use an idea that many others have raised) and act like it's your own.

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Brett McCabe 1 year, 4 months ago

Larry Brown took so much heat for the Ed Manning hiring. But the program was so down at the time, everyone just accepted it. He actually hired Ed for Danny's senior year, which is how Danny ended up playing at LHS with Chris Piper.

Frankly, I don't see much difference between hiring Wiggins and either Ed or Ronnie. You've got a guy with League experience, you give him a one-year contract - and maybe it helps him launch a career.

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Joel Hood 1 year, 4 months ago

This never happened. Piper graduated from LHS in 1983, Danny in 1984. Danny only played 1 year at LHS. Piper red shirted at KU. They were both seniors in 1988. They never played together at LHS.

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Brett McCabe 1 year, 4 months ago

Actually, all of it happened except my minor error in mentioning that Pipe and Danny played together. Thanks for your contribution.

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Joel Hood 1 year, 4 months ago

I didn't mean to imply the rest of it didn't happen - sorry about that, poor choice of words. Just tired to hearing people claim they played together in HS.

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John Randall 1 year, 4 months ago

Minor error? Either they were or were not LHS senior teammates ... but since it is you, Kingfisher, we understand the error could have been much worse.

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John Boyle 1 year, 4 months ago

This wasn't anything new. KU hired Darnell Valentine's high school coach Lafayette Norwood as an assistant in order to get Darnell to come to KU as well. He was on Ted Owen's staff for the four years that Darnell was on the team then he left to coach at Johnson County Community College. It's not always a dad that they hire to lure a kid.

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Kent Kossoy 1 year, 4 months ago

Also Ed was already a family friend and worked with Larry brown as an assistant in the pros. So the association occurred way before Danny was being scouted for college.

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jhox 1 year, 4 months ago

"...so the elder Chalmers didn't get in the way too much." That comment is in really poor taste, Tom. A quick check shows Ronnie had been a high school coach for at least 5 years before coming to Kansas. He's highly educated, He has a masters degree. There are a lot of very good high school coaches out there. I'm sure there are many who are better teachers of the game than a lot of college coaches. For example, there is a certain coach at Baylor who wouldn't be able to keep a high school coaching job. Who is to say Ronnie wasn't a contributer to the success of the program over those years?

While these hires may help to land a kid, these parents usually have strong basketball backgrounds, or the NCAA would never allow the hire. I've never met an NBA player (at least a one who spent a number of years in the league) who didn't have a very strong understanding of the game. I would take an ex NBA player over a AAU coach any day. While there are good AAU coaches out there, some of those guy has made the jump to college coaching simply because of their contacts.

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chriz 1 year, 4 months ago

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bradynsdad 1 year, 4 months ago

We need a long term hire not just a one year players father. We need to hire a recruiter for years to come. If he can't coach or recruit then Self would have to let him go immediately.

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akgjenkintown 1 year, 4 months ago

Agreed. KU basketball is bigger than one player and his father. At least Ed Manning had coaching experience and took the job when Danny was in high school. both were going to be around for more than one year. The sleeze factor would be much more prevalent with a OAD player and an OAD father/coach.

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Brett McCabe 1 year, 4 months ago

This is an important point which I overlooked. Though no one knew for sure how things would turn out for Danny, no one expected it would be a OAD situation, and the same is true for Mario.

This situation would be different in a key way. You are right, the sleaze factor would go way up.

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BeckP 1 year, 4 months ago

One year he could bring us a championship. We have 3! How are we going to claim to be an all time great program when we have the same amount of championships as louisville? Even UCONN has 2 in the last 15 years!

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Jack Jones 1 year, 4 months ago

Permit me to suggest that being considered "an all time great program" doesn't rest solely. or even significantly, on the number of (I assume you refer to NCAA) championships. The overall body of work ~ tradition and record ~ are the primary determining factors by far.

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actorman 1 year, 4 months ago

Actually UConn has 3 as well (1999, 2004 and 2011). We are now in a three-way tie for sixth when it comes to titles. That's the one thing that keeps KU from definitively making the claim as being the greatest program.

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Benz Junque 1 year, 4 months ago

He would be leaving after one season like his son, so Self wouldn't need to let him go. Self and Kansas would catch a TON of flak for this. Not worth the obnoxious comments and critique.

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Mike Barnhart 1 year, 4 months ago

If these types of hiring shenanigans happen elsewhere, I'm not aware of it. I just don't want KU to get the stigma of NEEDING to hire dads to land big time recruits.

It has the same feel as Kentucky loading up on OAD "student athletes" who can technically play a whole season with 12 hours of D in the fall semester and 12 hours of F in the spring semester.

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soapisurfriend 1 year, 4 months ago

Basketball players actually only have to be enrolled in 6 credit hours in the spring to be eligible.

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BeckP 1 year, 4 months ago

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jaybate 1 year, 4 months ago

Mitchell Wiggins could also be hired by the LJW, as sports editor for a year. Wiggins has had a lot of experience managing the media in college, the pros and for his son. :-)

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Joel Hood 1 year, 4 months ago

Hiring Wiggin's dad just to land a OAD is such an awful idea that I know Self will not consider it. What if Athletics hired Josh Selby's mom to land him, how would that hire look today?

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John Randall 1 year, 4 months ago

You do remember a couple of single mom's who found jobs in Lawrence (not at KU) in the not-so-distant past, don't you?

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Dyrk Dugan 1 year, 4 months ago

i will assume this is tongue, planted firmly in cheek, column....this shouldn't even be considered. it will land us on probation down the road for sure. and i don't care if it's legal...you hire him now, it will be perceived as cheating.

Larry Brown was a new coach....and he knew Ed Manning. Yes, he had a gifted son basketball player....but until Ed and Larry were employed by the university, Danny wasn't on KU's orbit, let alone radar.

it won't pass the smell test...and eventually, they'd find something. there is no way in the world Bill Self hires Mitchell Wiggins as an assistant....and there is no way it SHOULD happen either.

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Steve Gantz 1 year, 4 months ago

Really, you think Larry Brown hired Ed Manning and Danny wasn't even thought about? Larry had his eye on Danny when he was a freshman I'd bet.

I agree with the rest of your point, that it's probably not a good idea.

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actorman 1 year, 4 months ago

Wissox, you obviously didn't read his post very carefully.

He said, "... until Ed and Larry were employed by the university, Danny wasn't on KU's orbit, let alone radar." In other words, Manning wasn't even THINKING of going to KU "until Ed AND LARRY were employed ..."

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jaybate 1 year, 4 months ago

$250k?

I will take the job and contribute my salary to a Mitchell Wiggins Trust.

And I will do so and guaranty everyone plausible deniability.

No, wait, that won't work now that I've posted this. :-)

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KEITHMILES05 1 year, 4 months ago

Self can't hire the relative of any player for Director Basketball Operations. He can hire for assistant coach though. This rule was instituted by NCAA after the Chalmers hire.

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jaybate 1 year, 4 months ago

Ed Manning knew more basketball than most of the head coaches in the Big 8 at that time. KU's bigs were the best coached bigs in the conference. Ed Manning made a basketball player out of Chris flipping Piper. Ed Manning had a long scouting career in the NBA.

Next.

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jaybate 1 year, 4 months ago

Self had face time with Tarik The Physique on the last day; that is very good.

Perry Ellis, meet the guy who is going to ensure you can average 25 ppg next season without a trip to the hospital.

Tarik, meet Perry, the guy who is going to shoot so much inside on offense and get out on the break in transition that your rebound and stick back numbers in showcase games will get you drafted in the L.

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jaybate 1 year, 4 months ago

Also, don't forget that Self hired Danny to get Evan.

Norm was hired to keep his son from transferring.

And Self has stayed at KU to land Tyler.

D1: it's CONSPIRATASTIC!

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Joseph Bullock 1 year, 4 months ago

jaybate u r crazy. too funny man.

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gchawk 1 year, 4 months ago

Spewage!! I should know better, by now, to not take a drink and read some of your post, that was hilarious.

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Steve Jacob 1 year, 4 months ago

Kind of hard to complain about Calipari and do stuff like hiring dads.

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Jack Jones 1 year, 4 months ago

Oh, please~ for those of us who didn't "know" Larry ~ for God's sake ~ "EXACTLY WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?"

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actorman 1 year, 4 months ago

Well, for starters taking the San Antonio job after saying he was going to stay, then making the idiotic comment that if he had known KU was going to go on probation, he would have stayed.

There were also some questionable things involving Cedric Hunter and grades. And there were other fishy things as well. Havecents knows what he's talking about.

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Tony Bandle 1 year, 4 months ago

ATTENTION PLEASE!!!

I think that this is just further proof he is going to Kentucky. If Calsleazy had any misgivings whatsoever that he was going to lose Andrew, he would have already hired his Dad AND his Mom!!

Let's move onto the next topic.

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Robert Brock 1 year, 4 months ago

Dumb idea. This is an OAD kid. Recruit him straight up or back off.

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BPSkelly 1 year, 4 months ago

I cant envision Self is going to do this. Unless of course he's already talked with Mitchell Wiggins about it. And my guess is, he hasnt.

Parents with their kids in sports are the worst. I coached a select high school age baseball team for 10+ years and the joke always was a team of 13 orphans would have been perfect.

My guess is we arent getting Wiggins. And while id love to have him, hiring Mitchell Wiggins to get him for one season isnt worth it.

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John Boyle 1 year, 4 months ago

I take offense to this broad generalization of parents of kids in sports. Many of us do know the correct boundaries when it comes to our kids and their coaches. Don't let the bad apples spoil the whole bunch. You must be very careful about stereotyping people.

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FearlessJayhawk 1 year, 4 months ago

If Wiggins has to be coaxed into coming to KU forget it. KU is the best basketball program in the country. KU speaks for itself. If he chooses Kensucky that his problem.

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rickydick 1 year, 4 months ago

He will come to Wichita State and join his brother Nick!

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jazzbeau 1 year, 4 months ago

Oh Ricky, You stole my post ... Ha Ha .... I really hope Andrew becomes a Shocker, just to make fools of all the "suits" ... and myopic fans.

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John Boyle 1 year, 4 months ago

This is a KU site. Save the WSU comments for the WSU site. Oh, yeah you guys are too busy trying to figure out which one of the four seniors is responsible for the rape (alleged rape).

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Jack Jones 1 year, 4 months ago

Really classy post, John. Keep the truly "trash talk" to yourself.

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milehighhawk 1 year, 4 months ago

Man, don't you wish we would have done this with Carl Henry a few years ago?

I don't begrudge Keegan for writing what many have been thinking, but it's pretty lame to not even place a phone call or two to add a little "journalism" to the idle speculation.

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actorman 1 year, 4 months ago

I wouldn't call this article "speculation" (plagiarism, yes, speculation no).

He's simply advising Self to do something, not saying it's what he thinks Self is going to do.

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lv_jhwk 1 year, 4 months ago

I bet a majority of the people in favor of such a move would be the same ones complaining when another coach does the same thing. Think about it... no one would raise an eyebrow to Calipari or even Williams doing this?!

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Alex Peekeaton 1 year, 4 months ago

How funny is it that 2 of the 3 NCs Kansas has won is directly related to giving the recruit's father a job!!! I'm guessing the 1952 team didn't do the same. Can you imagine what the college basketball world would say if Calipari did this???

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Travis Clementsmith 1 year, 4 months ago

Well, its not like we keep leaving programs and then they have to vacate wins or anything...

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John Boyle 1 year, 4 months ago

They would say nothing because they never say anything about any of the "slick" moves done by Calipari.

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bad_dog 1 year, 4 months ago

What's even funnier is why a fan of the point shavers feels compelled to post observations about the hiring history of another school's program. No problem hiring a coach with Cal's distinctive history but they'll be the first to tell you about that splinter in your eye.

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Jim Roth 1 year, 4 months ago

Football gets to count championships before the BCS was implemented. Basketball should count championships before the NCAA tournament began.

KU has won 5 national championships.

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Steve Gantz 1 year, 4 months ago

If coach Self has to rely on Keegan for advice we're all in trouble!

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master16 1 year, 4 months ago

that's unfair. everyone on this message board has an opinion or 'advice'. keegan is just voicing his. i'm sure we'd all be in trouble if Self had to rely on your opinions or mine all the time.

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Steve Gantz 1 year, 4 months ago

Well that's why I have an exclamation point Master! I really wasn't trying to be serious.

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Jack Jones 1 year, 4 months ago

How about ~ "if Self had to rely on your opinions or mine ANY time?"

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Travis Clementsmith 1 year, 4 months ago

If its allowed within the rules and you don't do it, you're not trying very hard in my opinion. If you go beyond the rules, then you're sleazy. Otherwise, you're simply taking full advantage of the framework you're allowed to work within. If Wiggins wants such a job and his son is coming with him (and we certainly have a position open), then you do it. I'd rather be thought slightly sleazy while fully operating within the confines of the rules, that have this pristine "reputation" that basically made us a fool.

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John Boyle 1 year, 4 months ago

Right, because integrity isn't worth much.

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Travis Clementsmith 1 year, 4 months ago

If one does something completely allowed within the rules, how is that violating integrity? If it was considered "immoral" within college basketball, wouldn't they say something about it? Write some rule against it? They had the opportunity to do just that, and they thought it should only apply as far as "non-coaching positions". This is obviously a coaching position.

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trustyourSelf 1 year, 4 months ago

Opinion: Note to Keegan: This is stupid

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phins13td 1 year, 4 months ago

Agreed. Hire him for one season so he can leave after his kid declares for the draft. Beyond ridiculous.

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miajhwk 1 year, 4 months ago

ma & pa wiggins are fsu alums and pushing hard for their son to be a seminole legacy. if hiring dad is an option, it should be on the table everywhere. hard for me to think that dad would go anywhere but his alma mater, based on what i've read.

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Stephan123 1 year, 4 months ago

Bad idea. KU needs a long term recruiter/coach not a questionable hire just to lure a talented but overly hyped OAD. Our program's image would take a negative hit.

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Travis Clementsmith 1 year, 4 months ago

Really? I guess we've never gotten over the stain of the Manning scandal, or when we compounded it with the Chalmers scandal? I can barely wear my KU caps out in public any more. Here's a reality check, whatever you think our "image" is right now, is there precisely because we have done this before. So, talk to me again about how much you've had to cover your head in shame because of the image problems born of 1988 and 2008?

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Travis Clementsmith 1 year, 4 months ago

Here's the thing with all the "integrity" chimers out there. Other top schools are using AAU coaches, Shoe Companies, and who knows what else to get these elite athletes to come and play for a year at their school. We've lost recruits we thought were in the bag due to these influences. I have no idea what Mitch's intentions are, I don't even know if he wants a coaching job. But if he does, and he wants to break into that business, and KU has a legitimate opening, and its completely WITHIN the rules, why on earth would you be against it?! It makes absolutely no sense. Other schools are making these behind the scenes deals so as to "appear" the kid's choice is based solely on where he wants to go and play, and that's OK. KU says, we'll offer a legitimate job, completely within the rules, that obviously, is connected to your son attending here, and that's sleazy. Does anyonenot see the dichotomy in that? In order to not "appear" sleazy, one has to engage in sleazy tactics. But, if you do something that is completely allowed, even if it is overt, then its sleazy and bears an "image" problem! The truth may set you free, it just may not help with your reputation! Good God!

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Stephan123 1 year, 4 months ago

Short term gain, long term hit on recruitment unless Mr. Wiggins is one hell of a recruiter on the East coast. Bad idea.

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Steve Jacob 1 year, 4 months ago

FYI Jason King on ESPN has KU at preseason #21 (WSU #12), saying "Kansas will jump up a few spots in these rankings if it's able to land Tarik Black, a bruising forward who would be favored to start. And the Jayhawks will move up significantly if Wiggins picks KU."

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dann415 1 year, 4 months ago

this is no different than auburn paying cam newtons father for a commitment

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Bryce Landon 1 year, 4 months ago

I thought such hires were now against the rules...?

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Joseph Bullock 1 year, 4 months ago

I don't care what anyone thinks. I want Wiggins. Hire his dad. Next! lmao

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chriz 1 year, 4 months ago

Anyone else notice the neck on this dude? Was it just a weird headshot or something? Is this kid's neck really wider than his head?

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Randy Bombardier 1 year, 4 months ago

Sure would like to see us do this more in football to get a five-star QB maybe.

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Larry Smith 1 year, 4 months ago

Hey Keegs, Maybe you should ask Bedore how the Chalmers deal really went down.

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jhawk1998 1 year, 4 months ago

A little late to the game Keegs. This topic has been discussed by loyal Phoggies since Dooley left. Get some fresh perspective please.

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Sam Constance 1 year, 4 months ago

I can't really speak to the circumstances surrounding Manning's hire, but I don't think comparing the potential hiring of Wiggins' dad is really the same as the hiring of Chalmers' dad was, and for several reasons:

1) Ronnie Chalmers was hired for a position for which he was absolutely qualified. A five-year HS basketball coach being hired as a position that doesn't even actually do direct player coaching, but is responsible for the logistics for running the team, is entirely appropriate. By contrast, I don't think you can make the case that Mitchell Wiggins is qualified to be a major Division I program's assistant coach. His only experience is as a short-lived (6 seasons and 389 games over 9 years) NBA player. That hardly seems to give him the necessary knowledge base.

2) Mario Chalmers was from Anchorage, AK, and at a distance of 2200 miles from Lawrence, it was inferred that the Chalmers family was going to move to Lawrence regardless, to be able to see their son play basketball. Families--especially ones from really far away, do this all the time. By contrast, Wiggins is from Toronto, which is still quite far from Lawrence, but still less than half (1000 miles). And KU isn't even the furthest school from home.

3) Building on my second point, the Chalmers hire never seemed like a package deal, partly because of the plans to move, but also because Mario committed in May of 2004 and his dad wasn't hired until June. I know the conspiracy theorists might suggest that the hire was made and then simply not announced until later to avoid any appearance of impropriety, but the fact is that we're talking about hiring Wiggins' dad preemptively. I suppose if Andrew comes to KU, then Mitchell is mysteriously hired a month later, then the situations become more similar.

For all those reasons, the hire of Ronnie Chalmers seems much more organic and based on a coincidental fit compared to the contrived scenario of hiring the elder Wiggins to get the younger. Plus, the most compelling reason is that, were the sons not in the picture, no one would have been stunned at Ronnie Chalmers being hired for DBO, whereas I think quite a few people would be aghast at hiring Mitchell Wiggins for an Assistant Coach.

This is a terrible idea.

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Randy Bombardier 1 year, 4 months ago

What, you wan't common sense to prevail?

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