Sunday, April 28, 2013

Bill Self in favor of September (!) start

KU coach Bill Self talks to fans at Late Night in the Phog on Friday, Oct. 12, 2012, at Allen Fieldhouse.

KU coach Bill Self talks to fans at Late Night in the Phog on Friday, Oct. 12, 2012, at Allen Fieldhouse.


The NCAA Board of Directors on Thursday is expected to pass a measure that will add two to three weeks to the college basketball season.

This means the 2013-14 campaign likely will start on either Sept. 27 or Oct. 4, rather than the traditional Friday closest to Oct. 15.

If the board chooses the three-week option, Kansas University (if it wished) could hold its annual Late Night in the Phog on Friday, Sept. 27, a week before the Jayhawks play their first Big 12 Conference football game.

“It wouldn’t affect Late Night for us, because what we’ll do is still pick a time that coincides with what we think is best and still have Late Night, even if it’s after the first practice,” KU coach Bill Self said, indicating the Friday closest to Oct. 15 (Oct. 11 or 18) still figures to be the likely target date.

“We’ll do it the exact same way (as the past),” Self added.

Self approves of the decision to start the season earlier than the past. Basically, the 2013-14 season will start about the time KU’s coach normally holds his two-week Boot Camp conditioning program.

“I am favor of this because of this — injuries,” Self said. “The way it is set up, you will get the same number of practices (30 before first exhibition game). Starting earlier means you could take more days off. I think that is very positive for everybody.”

With practices held perhaps every other day, there could be less early-season pounding on the players’ bodies.

Another reason for the early start is to encourage teams to play a tougher nonconference schedule. Coaches will have no excuse to load up with patsies since there will be more time to prepare. This will not affect the number of games played, just add additional weeks of practice time.

“You will have 30 days between Oct. 4 and your first game, so they would be expanding the time to get your 30 workouts in so you can give guys more days off. You can spread it out a little bit better,” Wisconsin’s Bo Ryan said in a survey conducted by

On the other side is Notre Dame’s Mike Brey, who noted, “We practice in the summer and in September (small groups), so we don’t need to start that early.”

And South Carolina’s Frank Martin with a more-is-better take: “I would like the earlier start date (even better) if they gave us, say, five more practices,” Martin said in the survey.

By the way, a majority of coaches in ESPN’s survey had the same view of Midnight Madness as KU coach Self. They indicated they would opt for a traditional mid-October date for Late Night rather than hold it in September.

Turner turning heads: Myles Turner, a 6-foot-10, 220-pound junior from Trinity High in Euless, Texas, is receiving the most recruiting attention at the 2013 Jayhawk Invitational AAU tournament at New Century Fieldhouse in Olathe. The Texas Select forward is ranked No. 78 in the recruiting Class of 2014.

“I actually just had a visit with them (KU coaches) last Tuesday,” Turner told “They’re very interested in developing me, and they offered me a scholarship. That school is really known for developing big men, so they’ve expressed interest in me.”

Turner said he has heard from KU, Texas, Oklahoma State, UCLA, Baylor and many others. Information on the tourney is available at

Bail available: Wannah Bail, a 6-9 forward who was ranked No. 115 in the recruiting Class of 2012, has been cleared to play basketball by the NCAA, according to Jim Hicks of

Hicks tweeted Bail “could instantly become the hottest 2013 prospect in the country (not named Wiggins).” Bail is a former Texas Tech signee of former coach Billy Gillispie.

The Lubbock Avalanche-Journal reported in January that Bail, who attended Lamar Consolidated High in Rosenberg, Texas, “signed with Tech last year and joined the team for a short period, then left the program before the start of fall practice., in a September report, cited a negative relationship with former coach Billy Gillispie as Bail’s reason for leaving the team.

“Bail, an ESPN top-100 recruit, spent the last semester at a prep school in the Canary Islands but has since returned to the United States, and there is a possibility he could re-join the Red Raiders before the start of next season. Bail has strong ties to Tech interim coach Chris Walker, who was at the forefront of the player’s original recruitment to Tech.”

Walker was not hired as permanent coach. Tubby Smith is new coach of the Red Raiders.


ahpersecoachingexperience 5 years, 1 month ago

So in a perfect world we would see three nonconference football wins then jump straight into basketball season. I'm all for it!

Michael Luby 5 years, 1 month ago

Hell yes! More College Basketball!? Awesome!

Wait, does this mean more games?

Kurt Eskilson 5 years, 1 month ago

No. "This will not affect the number of games played, just add additional weeks of practice time."

Jeff Schartz 5 years, 1 month ago

Does anyone else think that it's funny that a a guy named "Wannah Bail" would wanna bail?

Tony Bandle 5 years, 1 month ago

"Wannah Bail" is a heck of a lot better name than "Make Bail"!!

nuleafjhawk 5 years, 1 month ago

Could we arrange to play basketball all year long?

Tony Bandle 5 years, 1 month ago

You know, that's not a bad idea. We could have a Winter Champion [November thru April] and a Summer Champion [May thru December].

The only change we'd need to make is that elite players would become "Two And Dones!!" :) *

{* for the uninitiated, indicates the tongue-in-cheek, sarcasm icon.}

Steve Gantz 5 years, 1 month ago

So what would you call the 2nd season counterpart to March Madness? Fall Fun? Holiday Hoops? Turkey Tournament? December Delight?

Hawk8086 5 years, 1 month ago

Well, the coaches know best, but is it that much of a benefit to start early if they still only get the same number of practices? Although the article only references comments by a few coaches it seems as there may be varying opinions. I'm not sure that I see the logic that more time on the calendar, with the same number of practices, will encourage tougher scheduling. This scares me, but Frank Martin's comment made sense to me.

SaltLakeHawk 5 years, 1 month ago

You missed Self's point.




Same # of practices spread out over more time = less injuries.

Hawk8086 5 years, 1 month ago

I didn't miss Self's point at all. I was questioning the logic of the scheduling issue.

dylans 5 years, 1 month ago

Besides the injury standpoint, it gives the coaches more calendar time with the kids. Controlled practice with coaches today; go work on it by yourself tomorrow. Coaches see more improvement in the same amount of practices. This would be huge for Calipari any year and KU next year with all those new faces. The extra time for the lessons to soak in on the freshmen and less time to form bad habits is also great.

CougIsLJW 5 years, 1 month ago

Great. Let's find more ways to overshadow the football program.

Matt Bowers 5 years, 1 month ago

With you on this one Cougls. KU is attempting to become a basketball and football school, this is not a positive for our football program. If there is a year where the football program doesn't get off to a good start, basketball will be the immediate direction most fans will turn to.

Hopefully HCBS will recognize this and continue to keep Late Night around the same time. I would like to see HCBS support and show up to football games, like we see HCCW at basketball...just sayin.

Rock Chalk

KEITHMILES05 5 years, 1 month ago

Did you not read the article? LOL. Self said Late Night in the Phog won't change. It is the start time for practices only.

Matt Bowers 5 years, 1 month ago

know that. just hope it continues....that is all.

rock chalk

Marcia Parsons 5 years, 1 month ago

Self has attended games in the past, and encouraged bb players to attend. I have to assume that he is still doing that.

Dan Cook 5 years, 1 month ago

Coach Self is at every football game. I've seen some players there from time to time and know they are encouraged to attend. This would have no impact on football support or the lack thereof.

LAJayhawk 5 years, 1 month ago

Coach Self has a box and, it is my understanding, that he attends every home football game.

Matt Bowers 5 years, 1 month ago

He has a box...that is awesome! Would anyone see HCCW if he stayed with the alums in their alcohol consuming Allen Field House accommodations? Just askin? I'm a huge fan of both programs, but feel that there is a lot of emphasis put on one. If that makes me wrong...then 30-40 posters will mother eff me up and down with countless examples and prove to the Jayhawk faithful that I am not worthy.

Rock Chalk

LAJayhawk 5 years, 1 month ago

No one wants to see the football team succeed more than Coach Self, as a successful football team means a windfall of cash for the entire athletic department. If the football team starts regularly selling out games, then all that extra cash will pay off for everyone, including the bball team. But they have to start winning first. That's the only way.

I'm a huge fan of both programs. I am regularly on the live game blog during both basketball and football games, and I purchase merchandise for both programs. But one can only expect so much support and coverage from a team that regularly has a losing record.

Win. That is the beginning, middle and end of this entire discussion. Win and you will be amazed how much attention football gets.

Martin Rosenblum 5 years, 1 month ago

If the football program does not "rebound" and start back toward winning more than 2-3 games, it will A L W A Y S be "overshadowed" by the basketball program. The women's basketball program ovrshadows football! Geez, it's like there has been a total eclipse over the football program compared to the Mangino years, much less being overshadowed by anything but it's own struggles.

Now, back to basketball...........

Steve Gantz 5 years, 1 month ago

I'm a terrible authority on this subject because I would just say basketball has overshadowed football since before anyone of us besides Jaybate was born, so it's really no different. And to be honest, as a KU grad who has never stepped foot in the state since graduation 25 years ago, I'm not too worried about football being overshadowed. Sorry, just saying how it is with me, and I'd guess quite a few others who may not be bold enough to come here and say it.

Greg Lux 5 years, 1 month ago

Great we could have March Madness September Shootout and December Dash to the Final Four. Year round basketball would be awesome.... :P

Rock Chalk

Jeff Coffman 5 years, 1 month ago

Maybe in December we could have a pre-National Championship Tournament, allowing 64 teams in and play a tournament with a mid-season Champion. Get everyone excited for Conference Play. Then have the "National Championship" still in March.

Talk about an increase in excitement, and not too mention teams would get to evaluate the teams prior to the tournament. It would also occur during the December break, so no class worry.

Dirk Medema 5 years, 1 month ago

In the consulting world, it's called scope creep, and it's happening throughout BB & FB.

ParisHawk 5 years, 1 month ago

Completely agree, at least for the amateur teams.

The NCAA should split Division 1 into pro and amateur subcategories. Oh wait, that would be too honest...

Tony Bandle 5 years, 1 month ago


1] Looking at the photo above, I just realized Bill has a very nice don't see that much on gameday.

2] Can we somehow never play a team with the word "Michigan" in it's title ever again??

3] Why do transfers ranked above 100 suddenly get all kinds of attention?? Do you get to drop the "one" from the beginning of the ranking??

4] The Royals are in first place....and it's not April Fools!!

5] Anyone who puts ketchup on a hot dog needs an intervention.....badly!!

6] Scot Pollard would make one hell of a zombie.,..if he isn't one already!!!

7] Year round Jayhawk Basketball would get boring.....NNNOOOTTT!!!!!

8] Jaybate, Ralster, HEM, drgnslayer..would the named posters please report to The Wheel on KU Football Opening Day for a "post off '...the subject, fixing the bar's slanting floors!!

9] Predictions - KU football will win more games than last year, KU Men's Basketball will win more games than generally anticipated, KU Women's Basketball will still have everybody bitchin' about Bonnie.

dylans 5 years, 1 month ago

3 - curious. I was thinking the same.

4 - scary. The last time I recall the Royals pretending to be good it was raining in SW Kansas and Roy left the program.

5 - gross. Hotdogs are nasty no matter how you slice 'em. Chicken lips and bungholes.

6 - awesome. Scott rocks. Always has always will.

7 - duh. Just do it already.

9 - hope. That's all the football team has. That's all I have for the basketball team too, hope for another national title.

Steve Gantz 5 years, 1 month ago

2 - Michigan Tech isn't tough unless it's hockey, they might take us. And I think we can take all of the directional Michigan schools. 5 - Where do I go for help?

KansasComet 5 years, 1 month ago

Kansas, top 5 last year and top 5 again this year. I believe we can do it with the "No-Name Defense".

Hoosierhawkfan 5 years, 1 month ago

If coach Self wants to improve rebounding next year he should be looking for a young man named Jump Bail. How about it?

Kevin Huffman 5 years, 1 month ago

Not sure that I could see brining on ANOTHER big, ESPECIALLY if Embiid isn't all that he's touted to be and has an unspectacular freshman year and has to come back for sure.

Ummm, so in '14 / '15, we're going to have

P. Ellis / Traylor / My. Turner

Embiid / Lucas / H. Mickelson

6 post players perhaps?!?!?!?!

Perry & Embiid are too good to redshirt & Traylor, Lucas & Mickelson would already have used up their redshirts.

Would you bring the newbie on only to immediately redshirt them?

***I'm more concerned of having a SOLID PG on board to inherit from Tharpe - a'la Josh Perkins and have a SG/SF on board IN CASE Selden's an OAD....very realistic possibility.

KJD 5 years, 1 month ago

Embiid will be ALL that, he won't be able to help being all that, unless you are a ball watching, point scoring myopic. If Ellis turns into a dream passer out of the post 365 days after complete negligence of passing out of the post-it could happen with this Wichita savant–the myopic's might not even notice that Embiid is developing his offensive game.

My Birthday is June 8th. What I want most for my birthday is the list given to Perry Ellis from his coaching staff providing the guidance for him to focus on during his summer drive, his hot days of scrimmage, his laundry list of get up early and turn on the "want to".

The great thing about Freshman is that they become Sophomore's.

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