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Sunday, April 21, 2013

Future KU center Embiid part of Nike all-star victory

Joel Embiid. (Rivals.com contributed photo)

Joel Embiid. (Rivals.com contributed photo)

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Kansas University basketball signee Joel Embiid scored seven points and grabbed seven rebounds as the World Team defeated the U.S. squad, 112-98, in Saturday’s Nike Hoops Summit played in the Rose Garden in Portland, Ore.

Embiid, a 7-footer from The Rock School in Gainesville, Fla., who is originally from Cameroon, hit one of two shots and five of six free throws while playing 16 minutes. He had two assists and a blocked shot.

“Joel Embiid’s potential is scary,” Tweeted ESPN’s Fran Fraschilla, who watched Embiid practice last week.

Andrew Wiggins, a 6-7 forward from Huntington (W.Va.) Prep, who has a final list of KU, Kentucky, Florida State and North Carolina, scored 17 points and grabbed nine rebounds for the World Team. He hit six of 16 shots, one of five three-pointers. The forward, who is originally from Canada, also hit four of five free throws and had four assists against four turnovers in 31 minutes. Duke signee Jabari Parker had 22 points, while Kentucky signees Julius Randle and Andrew Harrison had 19 apiece for the U.S. team.

Wiggins is in no hurry to choose a college.

“I’ve been traveling for three weeks straight so I’m looking forward to just laying in bed for hours and hours, watching TV,” Wiggins said after the game as quoted by Jonathan Givony of draftexpress.com. “I’m looking forward to shutting down, getting some rest, getting some me time before it all gets crazy.”

Of Wiggins, Givony stated: “he played a solid all around game even though he wasn’t flashy.”

Wiggins is expected to meet with North Carolina’s Roy Williams on Monday, KU’s Bill Self on Tuesday and Florida State’s Leonard Hamilton on Wednesday.

Adams’ list: Anrio Adams, a 6-foot-3 freshman guard from Seattle, who decided to transfer from KU following his freshman season, says he has a list of USC, Boise State, UCLA, Arizona State, Gonzaga and Washington State at this time.

Comments

dumbarton 6 years, 1 month ago

Watched Joel play tonight and he was a force against the U.S. high school all stars. He has high octane energy translating to great shot blocking and shot altering. He's a beast on the boards. Joel also scored on a wicked spin move to his left with a deft touch off the glass. No way he won't be getting major minutes from the git go next season.

David Leathers 6 years, 1 month ago

That's refreshing to hear. That, coupled with nice words about L-squared, could be the icing on the cake for a run to the Elite next season.

No matter what, we know we'll be fun, we know we'll be competitive, and as long as HCBS is our coach, we can damn near bank on 30 dubs a year.

Jeff Kilgore 6 years, 1 month ago

30 a year seems like an overstatement, but that's Self's average for 10 years.

kellerman411 6 years, 1 month ago

He was the most valuable player on the court and it wasn't close. At 7 feet, no one else shows near the ceiling that he has. Wiggins is a bad man but relative to the total production a school will get out of a player, Joel Embiid is the number 1 recruit in the class of 2013 and as I stated above, it's not close.

The Julius Randle who broke all our hearts a few weeks ago was basically helpless against Embiid. What was perhaps most surprising about Joel's game is he is completely under control. He defends with his feet and blocks shots straight up and down, remind you of anyone? He isn't near the project that they have made him out to be. He'll be at KU for 2 years before going in the lottery.

Jeff Kilgore 6 years, 1 month ago

"Wasn't even close" is a monster overstatement. There were tons of great ballplayers in that game. Embiid will be one of them with just a few years of offensive work.

I'm very high on Embiid myself, but in the Mickie D game, Randle scored on Embiid and got him in foul trouble. I will say this, Randle had never been challenged like this in his short life, and Embiid did win some of the battles. Look at Randle's statistics over his career.

I honestly would rather have had Randle or Parker than Wiggins. And Embiid? I can't wait for October!

kellerman411 6 years, 1 month ago

You obviously don't get it then. Those guys are OAD. Embiid will be here 2 possibly 3 years. As I already said, relative to total production a school will get, Embiid is the most valuable. Good 7 footers are so hard to come by and this could finally be the dominant NBA big man that Bill Self needs on his resume.

JayHawkFanToo 6 years, 1 month ago

I don't know what you are smoking but you should stop; it is obviously affecting your brain. The best player was by far Livio Jean-Charles who hit 10 of 13 and ended up with 27 points, 13 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 blokes shots. As far a Randle, he was far from helpless and except for Jabari Parker, he was the best player in the American team.
Embiid might have more potential, but at this point he is pretty raw and at times he looks lost, he also had 4 fouls in 16 minutes of play; one year with Coach Self hopefully will fix that.

Jeff Kilgore 6 years, 1 month ago

No, I don't agree with "lost" if you factor in that 95% of the players in that game are better than the players he'll face in the league, with Marcus Smart and maybe a few ISU and Texas players. He looked good and nobody wanted to bring the ball inside.

JayHawkFanToo 6 years, 1 month ago

I don't agree. "Looking lost" has noting to do with competition, it has everything to do with BBall IQ, and I don't mean anything derogatory by that, if that is your point. It simply means that he is in his second year of playing organized BBall and he has yet to master the idiosyncrasies of the game. Most of the other players have likely being playing organized BBall since grade school and are better acquainted with game.
He has made amazing progress in two years, but he is still well be behind, (experience-wise) other players.

Michael Bratisax 6 years, 1 month ago

Just want a clarification, by MVP do you mean for that one game or for their potential value while in college?

JayHawkFanToo has it right in that Livio Jean-Charles was the MVP for the Nike all-star game. Embiid had a decent game but clearly it is not the #1 recruit in the country. He isn't even the #1 recruit for Kansas. That would be Wayne Seldon.

Having a high ceiling is great but that doesn't mean he will live up to it. If he did turn out to be the best recruit in next year's class, I would be a little bit more than surprised but would certainly be happy to see it happen.

jhox 6 years, 1 month ago

I didn't see him in the Nike game but I did see th Jordan Brand game and my only real negative was that he played D with his hands down a lot and could have played with more energy, but you could say that about half the kids out there. That's coachable and Self is the guy to do it. The sky really is the limit with this kid.

Hawk8086 6 years, 1 month ago

After seeing Embiid play briefly twice and hearing the comments during the games, you can't help but be excited about his potential. Combining his natural ability with our lack of experience up front would indicated that he likely will play a lot. I'm very encouraged by Fraschilla's comments. He's an ex coach who, I believe, calls them as he sees them and doesn't get too caught up in the hype. He acknowledges a players weakness as well as his strengths.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 1 month ago

Epecially when combined with only playing BB for a few years now and the growth that has come during that time.

Michael Bratisax 6 years, 1 month ago

Completely agree but I think people are letting their expectations get a little unrealistically high. Division I basketball at a blue-chip school is a huge leap for someone with so little playing time.

Before he leaves Kansas, I think he will be a high lottery pick but that might take a couple of years as it did for the Morris brothers, TRob, Cole, Withey and others.

KemDooKU 6 years, 1 month ago

Anyone else on the non American team that would like to play basketball in the USA - I wonder why Self never goes after international talent? Are they just not as good or if they are do they go professional at a younger age? Any one know?

Dirk Medema 6 years, 1 month ago

Ebiid & Wiggins are both US players with international roots. Kevin Young is Puerto Rican if I remember correctly, as was Galindo. You don't necessarily need to go overseas to recruit international talent. They tend to come to us. Save the coaches' travel time.

texashawk10 6 years, 1 month ago

The Enes Kanter situation is a big reason why there aren't more European and South Americans playing college ball. Australia tends to be the one international place where kids come over to play college basketball.

Michael Bratisax 6 years, 1 month ago

I forgot about that.. good memory. The Kanter situation is a perfect example of why there isn't more international players coming here to play college ball. The top talent are likely already playing for money and the NBA, not college, is their primary target.

I'm actually a little surprised that more Americans don't go over and play in Europe instead of going through the farce the NCAA has in place here.

ParisHawk 6 years, 1 month ago

Sasha Kaun was practically Self's first recruit. It's easier for a Midwestern school to recruit foreign talent that is already playing high school ball in the US. Lawrence is twice as far as New York in hours of travel.

Boouk 6 years, 1 month ago

Super early prediction: Embiid will be a top 5 pick in the 2015 draft.

Ian Emerson 6 years, 1 month ago

Embiid is def a diamond in the rough. We are about to be like the fab 5 the next 2 seasons, but with a better coach ;)

Beate Williams 6 years, 1 month ago

To KemDooKu, the foreign players can go pro earlier but there were several on last night's team who were being recruited to colleges. There was a kid from Germany, pg, that was incredible on the dribble and so fast no one could get in front of him; but the kid I liked the most was a kid from Australia, he is going to be quite the ball player, can play 1,2,3 or 4. Also a Russian kid who was a good shooter but also a good all around player. It was a good "world" team.

Jeff Kilgore 6 years, 1 month ago

Jabari Parker scored on Embiid once but had to put some air underneath it. Embiid made every player nervous who got the ball inside. He's going to be lots of fun to watch. Just six months away!

jayhawkinATL 6 years, 1 month ago

Six for 16??? Pretty crappy, ball-hoggish numbers.

Andy Godwin 6 years, 1 month ago

Most annoying comment during last night's game was that it was "a good thing Self signed Embiid early" inferring that if more coaches had been aware of his potential that he would have chosen to go elsewhere. Nevertheless, now that I have watched Emdiid play twice, it is clear that he will get important minutes as a freshman because of his defensive presence and ability to rebound. Most impressive is that he has Kevin Young's type of energy and never seems to take a play off. I think Embiid is one of the reasons that Self has suggested his recruiting class should be ranked higher (I guess he is thinking #2 instead of #3). Only time will tell.

Jeff Kilgore 6 years, 1 month ago

I think you misunderstood. He meant that Self was lucky to sign him before he might've gone straight to the NBA.

Michael Bratisax 6 years, 1 month ago

Could he do that now that he has played high school ball here in America?

Martin Rosenblum 6 years, 1 month ago

Is Embiid potentially the Camaroonian Withey?

REHawk 6 years, 1 month ago

ralster, I am really high on this kid. Have recorded and hawked his every move in these past two marquee games. Once he learns the game of basketball and adjusts to the Bill Self System, I think fans are in for a flow of adrenaline surges. JoJo looks hungry and eager, not prone to back down from any challenge. Randle continued to pester and take it to him in the Jordan Classic, and our novice seemed not to back down a whit. Last night it appeared obvious that the U.S.A. squad respected his presence. Matter of fact, his game might be the only thing lacking from USA 19 and Under dominance on the world stage. They could use a pure center with a high motor.

hawkmoon2020 6 years, 1 month ago

While it's obvious that Embiid has some nice talent, and HIGH potential, he is still "raw," and I don't see the "high energy" yet. He often moves a bit slow on both ends. I know these games are more about the individuals, so I'm not bashing, but I do hope he brings/develops more energy, fight and hustle. I know he will under Self and Hudy!

Jeff Kilgore 6 years, 1 month ago

I really don't agree about "slow" if you'l think about the players he's been playing against. Half could play in the NBA right now, at least to some degree.

kufanman88 6 years, 1 month ago

Have you seen him lately? There is a reason why he went from 3-star to 5-star overnight. In comparison to the other centers we have on the team, he is already ahead of them in work ethic and intensity. He is now rated the second best center in the class. He reminds me of Anthony Davis and has great defensive intensity which tells me that Bill Self will probably start him in late December early January.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 1 month ago

I'm starting to think Embiid is a OAD. Remember the NBA drafts on potential, not production. This kid has the highest upside of any true center to play in college basketball since Greg Oden. I wouldnt be surprised if an NBA GM thinks that is lottery pick worthy.

REHawk 6 years, 1 month ago

Lordy, I hope not. JoJo has quite a ways to go in the realm of BBIQ. But no question, whatsoever, that his potential zooms off the charts. Self and Co. must be commended for unearthing and sealing the deal on a rare find. If he already had a year of Jayhawk ball behind him, I should think toplevel recruits would beat a path for the opportunity to play with him and Ellis at KU.

bradynsdad 6 years, 1 month ago

Just to bring a little light to the all star UK recruiting class, Fran Frischilla did not have very glowing things to say about the Harrison twins after this weekend. He basically hinted that they were selfish and couldn't control the game at all. He seems to think they will struggle with Cals system next year.

Alex Peekeaton 6 years, 1 month ago

Where did you get this little bit of news from?

bad_dog 6 years, 1 month ago

Seriously, do you get an alert anytime someone posts about Calipari or Kentucky BB?

hawkmoon2020 6 years, 1 month ago

Don't want to be a Negative Nancy, but . . . sure feels like Wiggins is a strong Kentucky lean, and either giving the other 3 programs one last chance to change his mind, or to politely tell the others "no thanks" personally. However, I still believe Wiggins can get EVERYTHING he's looking for in KU, and I hope he truly hasn't already made a decision yet.

Rock Chalk, Wiggens! You will be highly welcomed!

kufanman88 6 years, 1 month ago

Maybe we can pick up Naadir Tharpe's buddy from Rutgers, Eli Carter. He has chosen to transfer and was their leading scorer. He needs a little polish on his field goal percentage, but with a year under Bill Self, he could be a starter the following year.

jaybate 6 years, 1 month ago

~Embiid could easily be the only guy in this class playing in the L in 15 years.

~Wigs apparently has a chink in his armor and its shooting; this doesn't mean he can't fix it, or that he is not as good as everyone says, but it means it is quite deceptive to talk about him being the most dominant new player since Lebron. Lebron is an athletic freak, like Jordan, Magic, Bird, Russell, and Chamberlain before Lebron. All these athletic freaks hold overwhelming MUA against everyone but each other. Their MUA is so great you can't even mug them and beat them. Andrew Wiggins does not appear to have that level of MUA. Its not even clear that Wiggins is significantly better than Ben McLemore. Ben is almost surely a superior shooter.

~So much of shooting is concentration and comfort. A lot of high school guys with so-so concentration and loads of athleticism can in high school fool persons into thinking they are great shooters. Every game they play they can play utterly comfortably. Almost noone can stay within five feet of them and even come close to getting a hand in their faces. Then they play in these all star games, where no one guards, and the illusion continues. Guys with decent shots can shoot very well, when they are totally comfortable. And this edge in MUA sometimes even holds up into D1. But in the L, unless one is an athletic freak, everyone can stay with everyone and everyone can get a hand up in your face, and climb the air ladder with you. The chink in even Jordan's shot got exposed in the L his first three years. If Jordan had not been such a mental freak in addition to being such an athletic freak, and been able to rewire his shooting in the L, he too would have been brought down off his throne and been just another good perimeter player in the L. Bottom line: unless Wiggins has been sick lately, what's been getting revealed is that when he goes up against other L&As he isn't quite as comfortable and his shooting isn't quite as good. And these guys really aren't even playing defense in these games, so Wigs has a problem that BenMac didn't have. Wigs is a good shooter in a great body. Ben Mac was a great shooter in a near great body. Ben's going to keep draining them in the L. Wigs is going to have to learn how to become a more proficient shootist either now or in the L, because his comfort level is going to erode rapidly in the NBA for sure, and he could even have some problems in D1.

~But Wiggins is a super, super prospect, because if he could clean up his shot, he appears to have some Kobe in him.

hawkmoon2020 6 years, 1 month ago

Who wasn't really impressed with Exum in the game? I think he and Parker showed the most hustle and determination to win.

Jeff Kilgore 6 years, 1 month ago

You and me. Is he a possible college recruit? Crazy ability.

JayHawkFanToo 6 years, 1 month ago

He is a 2014 class player. I will guess that the list of school interested grew up big time overnight and likely includes most of the majors.

hawkmoon2020 6 years, 1 month ago

And why will next season be exciting and interesting given a 9 man rotation? We have 5 freshman, 2 sophomores, and 2 juniors. Almost as young as UK.

PG Tharpe (Jr.) SG Selden (Fr.) SF Traylor (Jr.) PF Ellis (So.) C Lucas (redshirt Fr.)

Subs PG Frankamp (Fr.) SG White (So.) SF Greene (Fr.) C Embiid (Fr.)

Hawk8086 6 years, 1 month ago

I share your enthusiasm, but Traylor will not play alongside Ellis and Lucas. He will be part of the big man rotation with only 2 of Traylor, Ellis, Lucas or Embiid playing at one time.

REHawk 6 years, 1 month ago

Traylor a soph, eligibility-wise. I envision White and Greene scrabbling for that SF position; Traylor relieving Ellis. Lucas starting before January; Embiid earning lots of time during league play and after. Whatever unwinds, practices should certainly be competitive.

kufanman88 6 years, 1 month ago

I see Embiid starting before Lucus at center. He has more drive and consistent defensive intensity than any of the players currently on the team. He will earn a starting position before January.

Michael Bratisax 6 years, 1 month ago

Given that Lucas has such a head start over Ebbiid, Lucas will start at the beginning of the season and Embiid will need to fight for minutes.

kufanman88 6 years, 1 month ago

I have watched Embiid play and he is going to be very special and what others have said on this thread is true, he definitely has the potential to be a starter at the beginning of the coming season. He has the raw talent, defensive intensity, and energy on every play to make him a starter in Bill Self's eyes.

One other thing. One of Naadir Tharpe's good friends, Eli Carter from Brewster Academy just decided to transfer from Rutgers (Big East). He was their leading scorer this season with 14.9 ppg. KU would be crazy not to make him an offer and not pick him up with one of their three remaining scholarships. Crazy!

chriz 6 years, 1 month ago

Tharpe, Selden, Greene, Ellis, and Traylor to start off. Eventually, Embiid will stay at the 5 with Traylor playing 4 & 5 relief.

Backups will be Frankamp at 1 and 2 (3-man rotation at the guard spot), Traylor with 4 and 5 relief, and Ellis switching to the 3 periodically. Everyone else is basically mop-up.

Michael Bratisax 6 years, 1 month ago

White starts over Greene, at least when the season starts and I think the same with Lucas over Embiid.

And I could be totally wrong. That's Self's job making those tough calls

Ryan Zimmerman 6 years, 1 month ago

I just hope he's more "Withey" than "BJ Williams"

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