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Sunday, September 23, 2012

Keegan

Kansas football won’t be fixed quickly

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Executing a pair of key completions that didn’t happen and the Kansas University football team could boast a 3-1 record, instead of 1-3. Not only that, the reality of the challenge that faces Charlie Weis could have been delayed, shoved for the moment into the shadow cast by a winning record.

Try telling anybody a quick fix simply isn’t a realistic possibility for a team that has a 3-1 record.

It shouldn’t be so tough to see that now for a program that has gone 6-29 in its past 35 games. Things stand to get worse before they get better, with the remaining eight games all against Big 12 teams and so many starters out of eligibility after this season.

Weis fixed the troublesome academic state of the program swiftly, appointing himself academic liaison and running from the program those not interested in the student half of the student-athlete title. Guys with dirty urine were shown the door as well. In the case of good-guy quarterback Jordan Webb, Weis’ assessment of his talent led to his departure.

Charlie has upgraded the good-citizen aspect of the program. Now he needs to attract more good football players.

On a day when former Jayhawks encountered mixed results — Webb threw for 345 yards in leading Colorado to its first victory; Turner Gill’s Liberty squad, 7-4 a year ago, dropped to 0-4 — Kansas had mounting concerns exposed on the right side of its offensive line and at quarterback.

Looking to 2013, the offensive line shapes up as the most frightening concern. Fifth-year seniors center Trevor Marrongelli, left guard Duane Zlatnik and left tackle Tanner Hawkinson will leave a huge void in more ways than physically.

Three-fourths of the starting secondary also must be replaced. Even if promising young players develop alongside returner Tyler Patmon, the lack of experience will show.

At quarterback, Jake Heaps, whose star faded during his two years at Brigham Young, brings more spontaneity than Dayne Crist, but is handing him the job instead of making him compete for it wise? Competition tends to bring out the best in athletes.

Not all of the hurdles to improving are personnel-related. The quality of the streamlined Big 12 Conference enhances the difficulty of a rebuilding process because such a brutal schedule makes building confidence a stiff challenge. Nearly half of KU’s nine Big 12 games are against schools now ranked in the top 15 and two-thirds are against Top 25 teams: No. 7 Kansas State, No. 8 West Virginia, No. 12 Texas, No. 15 TCU, No. 16 Oklahoma, No. 25 Baylor.

The three unranked Big 12 foes, Iowa State, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech, have a combined record of 8-1.

Even if Weis and his staff continue to build on an encouraging recent recruiting run, this shapes up as a long, slow climb from the Big 12 basement.

Comments

wats211 1 year, 12 months ago

Weis had to make guarantees to Crist most likely for him to come here...and if he wasn't here....we would be much worse....I like Crist and before the end of the year...I believe he will redeem himself....bottom line..we need to block and tackle better...Period

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Jayhawks1985 1 year, 12 months ago

I agree I think Christ will get fired up soon. He wasn't exactly a starting quarterback the last 4 years and it takes time to come back from an injury and that wasn't his fault.

The economy is a disaster and a lot of people want to give Obama 4 more years.

All you glass is half empty people have some faith. Listen to Joel Osteen you might get a better attitude.

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Jeff Suther 1 year, 12 months ago

You have lost your mind. We need a new qb asap

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Jim Erickson 1 year, 12 months ago

I don't agree that we would be much worse without Crist. Jordan Webb played at a higher level than Crist has shown. This program needed a stud QB if we were going to hit the 4-6 win mark like many of us were hoping.

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samdubya 1 year, 12 months ago

OMG stop with the Jordan Webb crap, people!!!!

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Jim Erickson 1 year, 11 months ago

Stop with the denial... Webb was run off in favor of Dayne Crist... The Webb decision is and will continue to be a valid argument. We ALL supported it at the time but it looks like a mistake at the moment.

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squawkhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Christ is responsible for 2 of 3 losses how is he going to redeem himself against competition that is far superior to what he has faced so far? Dream on!

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ahpersecoachingexperience 1 year, 12 months ago

Add up HCCW salary and the money we are paying Gill and we are spending 4.6 mill to lose to Rice and Northern Ill.

Yikes!!!

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John Myers 1 year, 12 months ago

I wish they'd drop 4.6 mill to get you to never post on these boards again. Would be well worth it (especially if they toss in manginorhoolz or whatever his name is)

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hawk316 1 year, 12 months ago

mangino...great line! Thanks for the chuckle.

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Clarence Haynes 1 year, 12 months ago

We just cannot keep on dumping coaches and expecting someone to come in and immediately part the waters! Weis is a "buy and hold" that will pay off!

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Jim Erickson 1 year, 12 months ago

Agree. Hoped it would be better at this point but we didn't hire Weis to win in 2012.

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hawk316 1 year, 12 months ago

Another to agree. As I stated in another post, Weis has won several super bowl rings and has helped turn around other programs. This is a huge mountain to climb to turn around the KU program, and it will take time and lots of patience (something many of the KU faithful are short on, unfortunately). Can Weis do it? I honestly don't know, but I think we need to give him a fair shot.

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squawkhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Doubtful! Weis will be gone in 2 more years and leave the program marginally better than what it is today. We'll have to start all over with a new head coach and coaching staff and the quality of players will still be in question. Weis is biding his time and padding his bank account while his son gets enough experience to move on under daddy's glorious name.

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pepper_bar 1 year, 12 months ago

So Keegs, are you saying KU would be better off in the Big East?

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pepper_bar 1 year, 12 months ago

Well, here was Keegan's rationale about a year ago:

Full disclosure: I commented on that story that the Big East would be next for demolition after the Big XII was picked apart. I think we'd all agree that the Big East is now weaker than the Big XII.

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squawkhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

He's saying that KU would be better in any conference where FB is not important. Take your pick.

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stm62 1 year, 12 months ago

Gilbert Brown, Dana Stubblefield and Chris Mamalonga. There may not have been a better defensive front in the history of college football. I saw them DESTROY K-States offensive line, early, Snyders first term.

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Cora Smith 1 year, 11 months ago

Arm tackles occur when you are fatigued or if you are a step slow. We are both.

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burnmu 1 year, 12 months ago

we KU fans got a taste of what an amazing football season feels like & we haven't been the same since. we're so use to constant success from the men's bb team, that i feel it's hard to start too really care about football & no one can predict when we'll start to be successful again. i'm gonna keep supporting & stay hopeful. rock chalk

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John Fitzgerald 1 year, 12 months ago

I think Weis is doing a good job. But, I think he made a deal with Crist, and at this point has to continue with his end of the bargain. I like Crist, and think he CAN be really good, but hasn't had the time to do so. He was given up on in ND which set him back quite some time. And In order for us to turn around our players need to believe in themselves instead of just Charlie Weis. It's great that he's here and he's obviously made positive changes, but our team lacks a bit of arrogance that I think is holding us back from finishing off games. And I agree to split time with another QB. Try Cummings for a few snaps or even have them each split halfs. The fact is, Weis is here to make the University of Kansas better not just one player. if I were Weis this would be my conversation with Crist: "Ya know Dayne, you're a great kid and you have a crap load of talent. And I understand you've been dealt a pretty difficult hand, but KSU is your last chance. Sometimes it just doesn't work out, and it's up to you to make that decision. I'll do what I can to prepare you, but I suggest you get your head straight, deal with whatever fear you have, open your damn eyes, and play some football before you make that choice." As far as strategy to make him better, I think we need to throw more screens. Even if his passes aren't big gains, completions are what will make him better. Short easy passes, then pound the run. If our offense was nearly as impressive as our defense we'd have 4 wins right now and be ranked in the top 25. And watching Crist you can tell he has some sort of fear out there. He knows this is his last chance and I think it's a burden on him. Best way to get over your fear is to face it. I think Weis telling him to his face this is his last shot and that he needs to do EVERYTHING he can to make it count will make the ultimate difference. And, if it doesn't work out, bring on matthews or cummings. Again, it's about the team not just the player. Either way I still have faith and always will. Give Weis at least 3 years to make a difference. RCJH!!

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Andy Tweedy 1 year, 12 months ago

The Little Big Horn being compared to an ice cream social? I love it!

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Cora Smith 1 year, 11 months ago

I'll have what K State is having at the social.

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BringBackMark 1 year, 12 months ago

I think, if you read between the lines, what Keegan is saying is that playing a bunch of 5th year seniors exclusively is great if you're competing for a conference championship. When you're facing an almost assured 1-11 finish, it probably isn't doing a lot to rebuild the program.

I very much support giving Weis a minimum of 5 years to get us back to national recognition (periodic top 25). I don't personally think his intention was to be here that long but the way things have started out may have changed his plans. Looking back at the Mason and Mangino rebuilding efforts they started with young, inexperienced, but hungry players. Week to week you could see the confidence and competitiveness increasing.

Those early teams of Mason and Mangino's looked worse than CW's first one does but, that game experience for those young players helped a bunch in subsequent years. It also gave fans something to look forward to. Honestly, after the meltdown last saturday, you kinda have to wonder if next year will be better or worse when you look at what we're losing and the lack of experience that we're gaining. Will we try to plug holes with 5th year seniors again? That seems to be a revolving door that has very little liklihood of paying off in the Big 12.

Lastly, hats off to Weis for improving the quality of student athlete at KU. That was much needed and will in itself aid in the rebuilding process.

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Enoughsaid 1 year, 12 months ago

It seems history is repeating itself. Bring in a new coach pay him a huge salary and new staff. I remember when Big Head Charlie was hired and talking how bad Gill's record was. It looks like the rest of the season KU will be slaughtered.

Hey Coach at practice quit riding around in the golf cart and walk with a cane if need-be at least you would be in tune with what is going on around you. I Believe if you could organize a game with Lawrence High School, you will won one more game for the season.

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bville_hawk 1 year, 12 months ago

Turner? Turner Gill? Is that you???

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april28 1 year, 12 months ago

5th year seniors were a recruiting necessity...Weis needed to do something but had almost no time to do anything with high school seniors, so he took what he could get. Nothing wrong with that strategy.

Keegan is right that we would have the same problems if we were 3-1, except 3-1 makes a big difference in the mentality of the team going forward. A confident team might surprise some people on the schedule, which produces a better record, which helps your recruiting.

This is going to be a tough, tough road. There are three questions: Are the coaches up to it? Are the players? Are the fans?

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Chayse Patrick 1 year, 12 months ago

The fact is the 3 non-cons are supposed to be cupcake games to boost confidence, give EVERYONE a chance to play and build our roster depth chart!!! KU isn't able to even win the cupcake games. If the correct play calling was there the first 4 games KU is 3 - 1 maybe even 4-0. I don't understand how you abandon the run when it;s working and crist can't even hit a wide open receiver??? Losing leads in the 4th quarter because of PATHETIC play calling is ALL ON THE COACHING STAFF. The defense needs to learn how to get up and hit somebody!!! The KSU game will be whatever Snyder wants it to be. It could be 100 to 0!!!!!

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NebraskaJayhawk 1 year, 12 months ago

"The KSU game will be whatever Snyder wants it to be."

This could very well be reality.

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BringBackMark 1 year, 11 months ago

Knowing how to win (especially with 4th quarter leads) is huge. No, we would not be in the same shape at 3-1 as 1-3. That's silly. You would see a whole different attitude in the players, fans, and even coaches. If we currently thought our only loss was to a top 15 ranked team by 14 points we would be talking about an upset in Manhattan. Instead, we're now talking about keeping it within 30 or 40. Little confidence boosters mean a lot in football.

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Robert Brown 1 year, 12 months ago

Bringing in Crist unnecessarily raised expectations for Weis's first year. I don't believe bringing in transfers with limited eligibility is not the way to build a program. I gives the appearance that you are looking for a quick fix. In retrospect, so far many of the moves seem to have been made to generate a media buzz starting with the hiring of Weis himself. You then have high profile, but underachieving transfers coming and then there was the embarrassing episode of publicly courting some of the Penn State players. I think most fans would have been realistic if Weis hinted this will be a two to three year process instead of bringing in transfers implying we would win right away.

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doolindalton 1 year, 12 months ago

Though the football program may not be fixed quickly, here are a couple of hints to speed it up:

1) Get kickers. If you're not going to have a dominant team, you have to be able to punt the ball a long way and kick long field goals.

2) Adapt your schemes to your personnel. If you don't have an NFL quarterback, don't run an offensive scheme best suited for Tom Brady. The triple option is still viable. If you don't believe me, watch RGIII run it for the Washington Redskins yesterday. It was the 'Skins best series of plays and it tends to move the chain and use up the clock.

3) Emphasize fundamentals. It doesn't make any difference what defensive scheme you run if your players don't consistently tackle well.

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squawkhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

In essence what you are saying is better coaching is needed!

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jhox 1 year, 12 months ago

We have very obvious talent deficiencies. Mangino recruited poorly his last couple of years. That was followed by Gill who did a decent job recruiting speed, but not the size and speed combo it takes to win at this level. At least we know Weiss and Campo know what a high level football player is supposed to look like. Let's give them a reasonable chance to put together a decent roster.

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vd 1 year, 12 months ago

Look at the results. Rivals had Crist as the number 1 QB. The source is common sense.,

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pepper_bar 1 year, 12 months ago

Weis was fired at Notre Dame because once he had to start playing with his own recruits, his teams stunk. He could not recruit at Notre Dame. Let that sink in for a while.

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squawkhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Wrong. Weis had no problem recruiting at ND, who would? The problem with Weis is he has no idea how to coach and to coach less talented kids up like Snyder does. You can wait 2 and 3 years and pray he can turn this program around but history indicates that he is not capable of doing this. Weis is not the answer, PERIOD!

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pepper_bar 1 year, 11 months ago

Please. Notre Dame is just starting to recover from Weis' shoddy recruiting. He fooled the rating agencies who kept giving him Top 25 recruiting rankings, but look at the results.

Weis was excellent at recruiting overrated players. Is that what KU wants?

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hotrodm 1 year, 12 months ago

Rotate Crist, Cummings and even Baty. See who can play. Couldn't be any worse.

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stinkybulldog 1 year, 12 months ago

Or have Christian Matthews run the wildcat/jayhawk every play...

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nuleafjhawk 1 year, 12 months ago

Since about 90% of my employers and co-workers are K-State season ticket holders, I'm thinking October 8th might a good time to schedule a vacation day.

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nuleafjhawk 1 year, 12 months ago

lol - i've been telling my wife for years that we need to move far, far away - but that was just to get away from her family! Now I have some more ammo - to remain undercover during football season!!

funny that you mentioned THE basketball game that they beat us - i'm always telling the purple monsters around here to go to AFH and soak in all the banners. The National Championships, the conference titles, the All-Americans - all of it.

Then I tell them to go to Bramlage and look at the one lone banner that says:

Remember that time we beat KU in basketball?

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burnmu 1 year, 12 months ago

screw that nuleafjhawk! you need to turn a nu leaf, i live in columbia mo and never hide the fact i'm a jayhawker. yeah we're not good, but that won't be forever. come on people, let's rally behind our players and show the haters that jayhawk nation won't go away regardless of the year we're having.

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bville_hawk 1 year, 12 months ago

You live in Columbia, MO? Are you like a missionary or something?

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troutsee 1 year, 12 months ago

This team has 3 glaring weaknesses, the most important is the play of Crist. He simply must be benched. I feel sorry for the guy. Fans were led to believe that at long last KU was getting a guy that looked and performed like a college QB. Well we fans got it half right. He does look like a modern college QB but he does not perform like one. So Charlie needs to make a difficult decision and get another QB ready to play. The second glaring weakness does not come as a surprise and that's is the weakness of our defense. All of us knew this would be a problem coming in but were hopeful that with returning starters and a blend of JC talent that this problem might be partially solved. I think we are slightly better, maybe. The defense was favored by give aways and take aways in the first three games or the stats could have been much worse. We still have to run the gauntlet these next four weeks and that will be telling. Third weakness, our special teams. Enough said on that.

I guess we long-suffering KUFB fans were hoping for too much. Now are hopes have once again been dashed. When will it ever happen for KUFB?

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juke4jay 1 year, 12 months ago

Its been apparent for a number of years now to most of us......ever since the fat man was shown the door in a most embarassing way by the University's administration.

We are looking at 2014 to 2015 at the earliest, for having a football program again that we can have pride in (and will be competitive on the field). To see it otherwise, is bordering on delusional behavior. Talent needs recruited, programs need time to be put in place, you don't turn a turd into a nugget overnight.

Anything that is better than this expectation (some upset wins, here and there) is icing on the cake. Otherwise, enjoy the rebuilding process! RCJH!

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hawkshot 1 year, 12 months ago

Crist is not only slow of foot, he is slow of mind.
Can't think fast enough to make good decisions, is always in panic mode!

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Robert Brock 1 year, 12 months ago

KU's problems go far beyond Crist. There is just not much talent on the entire squad. No easy solution; no quick fix.

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Nic Andrews 1 year, 11 months ago

umm, we have enough talent to beat Rice and NIU. No excuse. Literally gave those games away. That's a fact.

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Pbbut 1 year, 12 months ago

We knew what we were likely in store for when the season started. My biggest concern at this point is about recruiting. Wins over NIU and Rice give a glimmer of progress that may encourage players to listen to recruiting pitches and stay committed. The only thing we offer differently from most programs at this point is Charlie Weis, without the Golden Dome gleaming over his shoulder.

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patkindle 1 year, 12 months ago

let all of these expert arm chair quarterbacks run the team, they seem to know it all, and they could take turns

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KGphoto 1 year, 12 months ago

You get yourself a playmaking QB, and you get a new team attitude.

Nobody knows what this year's team or next year's team is capable of, until a playmaker steps into the huddle and starts leading them. Everything is sparked off the QB. He's the fuse box.

This is why I was up in arms last year when Webb wasn't one of the team captains. What kind of football team doesn't have the QB as one of the captains?! If your QB isn't one of the captains you're dead in the water, because of two simple things.

Good QB play compounds itself throughout the team, and bad QB play does the same thing. This team is on the verge of crumbling under the weight of missed opportunities.

If next year's QB is a playmaker more in the mold of a Reesing than a Webb, you'll see the spark again. You'll see it from the stands. I'll see it from Colorado. It will shine brightly, and then we'll see what kind of team we have.

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Mike Nicco 1 year, 12 months ago

"This team is on the verge of crumbling under the weight of missed opportunities."

Best line I've seen from ANYBODY talking about KU football. Nice job KGphoto.

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bville_hawk 1 year, 12 months ago

Good prose does NOT mean KG's analysis is valid.

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Terry N Tom Denner 1 year, 12 months ago

Rome was not built over night people. Yes, even I am upset with what the Jay Hawks has done so far. Synder was not successfully overnight with KST nor was MU's coach when they took over their respectable programs. Give Charlie and his staff a chance and stop being so anal about something that yourselves have no control over.

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Jim Williamson 1 year, 12 months ago

"Bringing in Crist unnecessarily raised expectations for Weis's first year."

No more calls, please. If Crist was that good, Brian Kelley wouldn't have run him off.

Mangino didn't take advantage of the Orange Bowl victory on the recruiting trail. He continued to recruit 2-star kids so he could scare 'em and coach 'em up. Gill was just a trainwreck in all facets of coaching. Weis is having to clean up the mess.

This is KU football, not basketball. There've been a lot more abysmal seasons than there have good ones. This is going to take time.

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Robert Brown 1 year, 12 months ago

I didn't say he was good, but you read this board and you know how giddy some were that KU has a 5 star QB, actually two 5 star with Heaps. Why bring Crist in unless you expect to make a splash in year one? You can build around someone who will only be here for one year.

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Jim Williamson 1 year, 12 months ago

I think -- with "think" being the key word here -- he wanted someone who already knew his offense, even if that QB wasn't that good. One less thing to worry about. If he held onto Webb -- which he may be second-guessing about now -- he'd have had to teach an entirely new system to a quarterback who, up to that point, had never been very good.

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Jim Williamson 1 year, 12 months ago

So you're one of the people who thinks recruiting rankings are important.

In 2008, Dayne Crist was the #3-ranked QB prospect in the nation. Collin Klein was #166. How's that working out for you?

If you want to argue that Mangino went out and recruited guys with lots of stars, I won't do that. If you're silly enough to say that he went out and recruited good football players, then we can talk. My use of the "2-star" label was meant to indicate that he recruited mediocre D1 football players after his Orange Bowl win, possibly because he started to believe all the hype about how he coaches 'em up.

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jhawkrulz 1 year, 12 months ago

I still look at the TCU game and losing 20-6. If I recall we were in that game into the fourth quarter. We haven't had that against a ranked team in a long time (GT ended up not being ranked).

I still think that we will lose quite a few more games; however, I don't think we get blown out in every game like last year. I think the 3 unranked teams we will play well into the fourth quarter.

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Sally Presson 1 year, 12 months ago

It will take time to get us up to par, we all need to be patient and give Charlie some room to work, this time next year will be a whole new ball game. when my husband was in school KU was a powerhouse, we can be there again and I feel we will be, lets just give Charlie some working room and be happy when we win!!!

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BringBackMark 1 year, 11 months ago

Your husband must be like 115 years old if we were a "power house".

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squawkhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Sorry but KU has never been a FB powerhouse.

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Tom Longhofer 1 year, 12 months ago

Our new football coach reminds me of Bud Moore only with low self esteem. I hope I am as wrong about Charlie as I was about Tyshawn Taylor!!

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Robert Brown 1 year, 12 months ago

Charlie Weis does not have low self esteem. If anything it's the reserve. Bud Moore takes me back to my college days. KU has made some really bad coaching decisions for football. In the last 40 years, only Mason and Magino can be viewed as successful.

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Mike Nicco 1 year, 12 months ago

We were promised/sold a new and improved Charlie Weis. A hungy, more humble Charlie Weis that learned from his mistakes. The play calling suggests this is not to be true. Charlie Weis sees himself as a pro quarterback guru. In his mind a good quarterback throws the ball and win games. Saturday, Matthews was clearly the better quarterback, unfotunately, he runs the ball. Charlie Weis still doesn't understand that he can still be considered an offense guru with a strong running game. He's not quite Mike Martz, but Weis' ego is killing him just like it Martz.

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jrbill67 1 year, 12 months ago

Coaching, recruiting, & talent all upgraded, but no more wins this year. Hang in there. This is a project, not a quick fix. It's not gonna be pretty, but it will improve. It has to.

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bville_hawk 1 year, 12 months ago

We are playing hard for 4 quarters. We are competing. We have sustained losses but they have all been close games. This is all we should hope for this year. Any wins are just icing on the cake. To expect anything more is COMPLETELY unrealistic.

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Lance Cheney 1 year, 12 months ago

Actually we are playing hard for about 3 to 3.5 quarters (not quite 4), which, believe it or not, is progress from last year, when we only played hard for 1 to 2 quarters.

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Andy Tweedy 1 year, 12 months ago

Glen Mason's first team won one game, but was clearly improved. Personally, I think it's too early to tell if this team is improved. While many of the players are the same, we've been led to believe the strength and conditioning program has made them stronger and faster. And a good coach can always get more out of a player than a Gill, errrr bad coach can. So after a few weeks of Big XII play, I think we'll have a better idea of where this is headed. IMO, Crist has been just awful this year. The o-line has been okay at times, and the running game has been impressive in spurts. As far as I'm concerned, there is no reason a Big XII team can only score 17 points on offense against even a decent MAC team. LAME!!!

And as far as the o-line being such a concern for next. I've never really gotten the Zlatnik/Hawkinson lovefest from Matt, Jesse and Tom. They're not bad players, but is it really the hardest thing in the world to replace guys like that? Seriously? If it is, then isn't that really the problem with this program?

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ArgyleJayhawks 1 year, 12 months ago

LJW, please stop dragging Turner and his players through the mud. We get it, you think he was a horrible coach, his players quit late in games, etc. Stop using them as a scapegoat so you can continue to be Charlie Weis' personal public relations firm.

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KUMC84 1 year, 11 months ago

The difference isn't going to be talent in the K-State game as much as how that talent is used and how it gets prepared for the game. HCCW is set on using the players he brought in. Remember how we were waiting for the calvary to arrive with all the high ranked juco players and 5th year seniors. To be successful, HCCW has to eat some humble pie and coach to the talent he has and recruit players to play, not just those with starred pedigrees

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Jack Jones 1 year, 12 months ago

OMG - we are the GRAND TOTAL of 4, (that's FOUR) , for those of you whose posts would indicate a diminished intellectual and/or comprehension level - games into Coach Weis' tenure as KU's Head Football Coach -- and yet you somehow feel you are wise enough to pass judgement on his coaching ability, and his football decisions. Give me a break!

Oh, I forgot, this is the way you get your jollies. Excuse me!

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Tony Bandle 1 year, 12 months ago

Well, one thing Charlie HAS accomplished is some relevance for the football program. ...even if we bitch and moan and cry at the moon, at least it indicates some interest in Kansas Football as opposed to killing time till Late Night in October.

Won a game, should have won two more games and were competitive in the other game. Can anyone come up with a similar four game streak during the Gill era?

It's not much to go on, but losing games in the fourth quarter has to an upgrade from losing them in the first quarter!!

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Brian Zachary 1 year, 12 months ago

Yes I much rather preferred getting hammered by 45 than being competitive. Charlie should read these comments and resign because we are a far more superior football mind. SERIOUSLY??? You "fans" tick me off. KU has sucked for 100 years at football. 4 f'n games isn't going to change that. You whine during football. You whine during basketball. You don't deserve HCCW or HCBS. If I was either of them, I would say "screw you guys, I'm going home!"

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Cora Smith 1 year, 11 months ago

I knew that Mangino had the passion when he went off after getting jobbed in the Texas game. I think Coach Weiss needs to find the right moment to show some fire in the gut just to cement him to the job and not just a hired mercenary who will be gone in five years. So far he has chosen to remain calm under all circumstances. Maybe a tirade would make everyone feel a little better about the situation.

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Geekinout 1 year, 11 months ago

Nothing wrong with KU fans being upset having to watch more lame coaching and football. Crist has been putting up horrible numbers and not getting the job done against the competition he's faced so far. I've been surprised that it's this one position that is lagging behind this year, especially when this is suppose to be Weiss's expertise. It's only fair to give the other Qb's a chance. The only reason why his numbers aren't far worse is because of a few screens. It's really sad when Mathews, a back up receiver, looks more efficient at the position. Blocking hasn't been terrible, Qb accuracy has. Cummings, Baty, or even Mathews should have a chance to prove themselves in a game like Crist has. With the weekend off, now would have been the time to get one of those guys ready for Kstate. Unfortunately, I'm sure Weis will show that he isn't going to budge on this one.

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offline 1 year, 11 months ago

Ku is ready for the return of M. Mangino, O, the problem is there, that he will be headed to Kansas ST. when Bill S. retires.Ku loses out again.

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