Sunday, September 23, 2012

Jayhawks get dose of ‘reality’

Charlie Weis has whole team watch fourth-quarter collapse together

KU quarterback Dayne Crist (10) is pressured by the Huskies Ken Bishop (93) in the second half of KU's 30-23 loss to Northern Illinois Huskies Saturday, September 22, 2012, at Huskie Stadium in DeKalb, Ill.

KU quarterback Dayne Crist (10) is pressured by the Huskies Ken Bishop (93) in the second half of KU's 30-23 loss to Northern Illinois Huskies Saturday, September 22, 2012, at Huskie Stadium in DeKalb, Ill.


Every Sunday, win or lose, Kansas University’s football team gets together to watch film and break down what went right and what went wrong the day before.

This Sunday, the review session took on a little different form.

“Today, we watched the fourth quarter,” KU coach Charlie Weis said. “The entire team watched the entire fourth quarter, from (Tyler) Patmon’s interception right to the end of the game; consecutive plays, so they see how you go from a two-score lead to losing the game.”

That’s exactly what happened Saturday, when Patmon’s interception return for a touchdown gave the Jayhawks a 23-13 lead at Northern Illinois with 14:33 to play. Exactly 10 minutes later, the Jayhawks (1-3) trailed, 30-23, and went on to lose their third straight game.

Weis was asked Sunday night if his decision to make his players sit through the collapse collectively was the equivalent of some type of detention.

“That wasn’t a punishment at all,” he said. “That was reality.”

Watching game film, of course, is customary and is a regular part of every Sunday practice. But most weeks, the film is reviewed by position, with offensive players watching offensive tape and defensive players watching defense. Weis changed it up this week to help emphasize that the blame for the Jayhawks’ early-season struggles extends to everyone in the locker room. Doing so, he hoped, would continue to push the message that they’re all in this together.

“The whole team could hear the coaching points for every position,” Weis said. “The defense could hear me talk to the quarterback. The offense could hear (defensive coordinator Dave) Campo talk to the secondary. Everyone could hear all the assistant coaches giving the coaching points so the team knows the offense could’ve won the game, the defense could’ve won the game, special teams could’ve won the game.”

Overall, Weis said the Jayhawks’ reaction to Saturday’s loss was much different than the one they encountered after suffering a similar setback against Rice in Week Two, when the Owls erased an 11-point fourth-quarter deficit to win on a field goal as time expired.

“The Rice one, I think they were a little bit shocked,” Weis said. “This one, I think they were more hurt than shocked. And that’s what you want them to be. You want them to be quiet. That’s what they were. They reacted the way you want the team to react.”

Despite his team’s disappointment, Weis did not change anything about his mental approach Sunday.

“I was not easy on them,” he said. “It was not a come-in-and-everything-is-beautiful (day). That’s not my way.”

O-Line breakdown ID’d

Weis said KU’s meltdown in pass protection during Saturday’s loss to NIU came as a result of the Huskies setting up their defensive linemen on the right side a little wider than normal.

“We got beat on the same alignment twice on the right side,” Weis said. “They really put the (KU) right guard and the right tackle a little bit on an island. Now, it shouldn’t have been that difficult for us to pick up. It shouldn’t have happened the first time.”

After staying clean for most of the first three quarters, KU quarterback Dayne Crist was sacked three times in the fourth quarter and hurried at least twice that many.

“They mixed it up,” Crist said of NIU’s pass rush. “They brought a little bit more pressure the second half. They weren’t a heavy blitz team on the surface, but they definitely turned it up in the second half and were pretty disruptive.”

Injury update

Weis said the prognosis for injured running back Taylor Cox looked better than he thought it would on Sunday.

Cox, a junior who left Saturday’s loss because of an injury after just three carries, appeared to have trainers looking at the back of his right leg on the sideline. Cox remained in uniform and on the bench throughout the game but did not return to the field.

“I expected him to be listed as doubtful or out, and he wasn’t listed as doubtful or out,” Weis said. “With it being a bye week, they thought he had a chance of playing in the next game.”

KU is off this week and will play Oct. 6 at Kansas State.


John Mueller 1 year, 6 months ago

Well, since you weren't too disrespectful, I'm gonna laugh at that .

But, no troll here my friend.

When my Dad took me to my first KU football game, Pepper Rodgers was the coach.

I simply respect the man's body of work.

It is really remarkable.

That said, I hope we take it too them next weekend, but I don't like our chances.


John Mueller 1 year, 6 months ago

With regards to talent, it is substantially better than ours, but his talent is well below OU and Texas and probably even Mizzou every year.

The man can simply coach em up!

To use an old bum Phillips quote ,

He can take his and beat yours and then he can take yours and beat hissens....


John Mueller 1 year, 6 months ago

That old man is the best football coach in the history of college football if you compare his impact on W v L's in his first ten years on the job v the previous ten years of KSU prior to his arrival.

Then compare his winning percentage to anybody.

K - State has the best win in college football so far this year.

He is a hall of famer and all time great!

Hats off to Coach Snyder.

Now, let's kick his butt next week!

Man, what will that line be? -28?


Maybe next year.


JakeBarnes 1 year, 6 months ago

Maybe you ought to check to see how many all-Americans that "old man in manhattan" has coached compared to K.U.'s all-Americans during those years. Then see if he has average talent.


Bradly Moore 1 year, 6 months ago

It is all about coaching. That rotten old man in manhattan takes average talent and consistently coaches them up. They have NO business winning at OU. They win with solid ST and D. I hate using the belt buckles as an example, but they never out recruit us. They always out coach us.


vd 1 year, 6 months ago

I hope Weiss is showing the team the 4th qtr., so when he hands the starting job to Cummings, for the KState game,the team will go,"Wow, coach wants to win this game!"


David A. Smith 1 year, 6 months ago

Wow- you know, the naysayers are right! We should be 4-0 after being the worst team in D-1 the last two years!


troutsee 1 year, 6 months ago

Bench Crist. The only thing he can do is hand off. Any body can do that.


Mike Barnhart 1 year, 6 months ago

Our 2009 team was outscored by more than 30 points one time. In Turner Gill's two season's we lost by 30 four times, we lost by 40 four times and were outscored by FIFTY twice!

At this point, Charlie's team has been competitive and we've had a chance to win every game, even TCU. That's a start in the right direction! As long as we're done getting blown off the field in the first half of games, I'll give Charlie a passing grade for 2012. The schedule tells us we're about to find that out!


Tony Bandle 1 year, 6 months ago

Heck..we probably have some women soccer players that could kick better than who we have now....hey, let's call the Texas State Fightin' Armadillos and see who they have!!


Tony Bandle 1 year, 6 months ago

The headline should read, JAYHAWK FANBASE GET DOSE OF 'REALITY'.

Come on, all you naysayers, did you honestly believe that this Kansas Football turnaround was going to be easy or quick?? I said on this very site that six victories were possible but that don't be surpised if it's only two or even one.

This is not a retooling project..this is a total rebuilding project and to want to fire Charlie and start over is to invite the continual pattern that has plagued this program for decades.

Kansas has been playing basketball for over a century and how many head coaches have we had????? Eight !!!

COINCIDENCE...I think not. Show some knowledge and show some patience. We would probably have been out of this season's losses by the fourth quarter last year. The improvement is marginal...but it is there.


Lucas Town 1 year, 6 months ago

Here is what I see, we have great athletes, but they are not football players or at least have no football IQ. Playing in high school and now in college how can these kids not have any idea how to play with a lead? Is it coaching, I hope not. Anyone want to guess how hostile it will be in Manhattan? I will record that game and then decide later whether or not to watch it. How could things have gotten this bad so fast? Karma? The success we had in 07' and then the athletic department troubles followed by Lew making some questionable decisions. Hopefully karma stays the hell away from the men's basketball program.


Kevin Crook 1 year, 6 months ago

It's a lot of little things, but we definitely have a losing culture. These kids know that when the fourth quarter comes it's time for things to go wrong. Watch ksu play. They don't beat themselves. They MASTER the little things. The block perfectly, they tackle well, they don't turn it over, they make the simple play over and over. They are not spectacular. For some reason their offensive scheme looks 200% better than ours, but it is very simple. The qb has a series of reads to make, then he makes a great decision. He never looks rattled. It looks like our offensive plan does not match our team, plus as nice of a young man as Crist is, he hasn't shown the moxie we need. He could use a little Reesing in him, he's too perfect of a mold for a great qb, he needs to learn to fight!


Keith Hummel 1 year, 6 months ago

I wish I could wrap my brain around what is wrong with this team. We have the talent, the coaches, the facilities, and a fan-base starving for success. You can't convince me that K-State's talent is THAT much better than ours, yet look at the difference between the programs. Time after time we lose games we were winning to teams we should beat, and in almost every case we beat ourselves. Is it a psychological thing, bad coaching, bad luck? I can't figure it out. We should NOT be as bad as we look.


Danny Hernandez 1 year, 6 months ago

Who's the douce using caps in the posts above? how can we get him fired?

From the 305/786 area code, I'm not panicking. Hey, we could be Duke or KY football! They're much worse than we are, much worse.

Coach Weis and staff know what they're doing. They had to bring in 5th yr seniors to at least get the freshman and sophmores more time to build up their bodies, learn the schemes and to just get better. They were at a recruiting disadvantage. And as much as I wish we were 3-1 or 4-0, I'd much rather that posters like the douches manginorh00lz and asper above would support misery instead.


OakvilleJaybateNightmare 1 year, 6 months ago

"You don't have to be the best team in the nation, you just have to be the best team in the stadium. Lets go." -Lou Holtz

What do we know? KU could easily be 3-1, heck they should be 3-1 and could be 4-0. KSU is 4-0 and coming off a win they will talk about for years. KSU is feeling great. KU is feeling angry. The game is in Manhattan and KSU will be HEAVILY favored. KU has NOTHING to lose. KSU has a BCS type season to potentially lose.


manginorh00lz 1 year, 6 months ago



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ahpersecoachingexperience 1 year, 6 months ago


First one off the HCCW bandwagon.


741hawk 1 year, 6 months ago

First in from Colorado!
I'm as disappointed as most of the rest of you. We are two plays short of two more victories. There is no question that we have experienced, capable coaches. We need to give them time. We need to see if they can recruit. We know our AD will be supportive . . . and with improved facilities.


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